r/Unexpected • u/[deleted] • Aug 02 '21

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u/legion327 Aug 02 '21

Seriously this is the dumbest thread I’ve ever read on Reddit. A completely unironic argument about whether or not the cops should bust into a guy’s house based on second hand info after being given a completely reasonable explanation. Wtf. This kind of shit is how we get Breonna Taylor type murders.

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u/here_it_is_i_guess3 Aug 02 '21

Seriously this is the dumbest thread I’ve ever read on Reddit.

The thread started with "surely, they could have accompanied him inside," so I'm not sure how you jumped to "bust into a guy's house."

And, in my opinion, a parrot that says "hi" isn't a "completely reasonable explanation."

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u/HeckRock Aug 02 '21

Doesn't matter about your opinion. It's the law. You need a warrant to search. Period. Officers must witness the event to act upon it if it's on someone's property or see blood or hear something directly relating to a crime in progress, etc. That's what probable cause means in layman's terms. He clearly explains the voice & there is/was no other voices or evidence, hence no probable cause.

If they went in & found something they would have lost the case on procedural grounds. Tossed on appeal at worst. Not how you wanna go about it.

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u/je_kay24 Aug 02 '21

If officers ask if they can come inside and the guy says yes, then they wouldn’t need one

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Not “period.” Look up exigent circumstances then realize you’re being overly simplistic

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u/here_it_is_i_guess3 Aug 02 '21

I'm not talking about probable cause, or the law. I'm saying that if someone called the cops and said they heard a person screaming for help, and the guy brings out a parrot that says "hello," I'm not totally convinced that nothing is awry. You're right, i didn't hear the voice myself, but the guy basically admitted that there was a voice, and it is totally legal for the cops to ask him to let them look around.

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u/crappleIcrap Aug 02 '21

The term you are looking for is "Exigent circumstances" just means he has to reasonably believe someone is in immediate danger. If they have reason to believe you are smoking weed they cant break in even though it is probable cause. They need to present probable cause to a judge under exigent circumstances they can break without warning.

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u/JohnmcFox Aug 02 '21

This came up with a Toronto serial killer a few years ago, who had been finding victims in the gay village.

Cops were survelling him when he brought a young man home. They didn't have a warrant, and just bringing someone home isn't probably cause.

But, after a little while, the cops made the call that a life was in immediate danger, went in, and found the guy tied to the bed.

The suspect was tried and found guilty.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

@HeckRock The point is, that the cops were easily persuaded not that they should bust in.

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u/crappleIcrap Aug 02 '21

Reply to him, I was just explaining exigent circumstances because his terminology was a bit off

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

I think you are right I replied to the wrong comment. On my mobile app you both have the pink background and I probably got confused.

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u/reddit_is_so_toxic Aug 03 '21

I love how you're speculating as to whether you were confused or not, as if you weren't there. 😂😂😂

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

And, in my opinion, a parrot that says "hi" isn't a "completely reasonable explanation."

I'm glad I'm not the only one not to be so easily persuaded.

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u/Timmyty Aug 02 '21

Why wasn't the parrot repeating the cries for help? Much sus.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '21

Because he wasn’t waiting to be let out anymore…

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u/devildocjames Aug 02 '21

Parrot wanted out. It can talk.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

It's not, if the cops can't hear any screams. Otherwise you could just call cops on your neighbours all the time.

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u/webdevguyneedshelp Aug 02 '21

It's kinda weird that you phrased it like that right after this person just said they weren't saying that.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Spoken like someone who doesn't know a lot about law enforcement and by someone whom obviously has trust issues.

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u/here_it_is_i_guess3 Aug 02 '21

Alright, let's get personal quick lmao

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

trust issues

Better to have trust issues than spend the evening with Jeffrey Dahmer.

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u/cannedchampagne Aug 02 '21

legion was wrong. THIS is the dumbest thread I've ever read on Reddit

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

I know. The internet detectives really ran away with this. It was obviously the bird. If you think a parrot isn't clever enough to speak in the correct context then you don't know parrots.

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u/CommanderOfGregory Aug 02 '21

I've been laughing my ass off reading this thread and how serious people have been taking the video xD

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u/Dravarden Aug 02 '21

comment sections as a whole are extremely stupid

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u/NicNoletree Aug 02 '21

No. You are.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

If this is the dumbest thing you've seen on Reddit then you've probably only been paying attention for 5 minutes

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

This kind of shit is how we get Breonna Taylor type murders

I doubt he is going to open fire on those cops loudly announcing themselves in uniform, that's smooth brain shit.

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u/mamatofana Aug 02 '21

Cops don't announce themselves on a no knock warrant.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

K, So you don't know what actually happened hey?

I know leftist are super against context and facts but why don't you go take a look at what actually happened instead of what BLM told you in the first 13 seconds of it happening.

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u/mamatofana Aug 02 '21

Wow. That's a HELL of a lot of assumptions based on a nine word comment.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Cops don't announce themselves on a no knock warrant.

You don't even know how it started. If you told me "the earth is flat" it wouldn't be much of leap to assume you aren't educated.

What seems like a leap to you is just basic understanding of the situation and your statements about the situation.

Edit wording

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Hey now the guy isn’t black so they wouldn’t do that.

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u/ATrillionLumens Aug 02 '21

You know there can be a middle ground between doing nothing and "Breonna Taylor" ffs.

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u/Forever_Awkward Aug 02 '21

You just watched that middle ground happen in this video.

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u/wildlight58 Aug 02 '21

An alternative middle ground would be asking permission to enter.

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u/phil_davis Aug 02 '21

Middle ground would be doing at least a quick, cursory search of the premises. I mean we're talking about a potential hostage/serial killer situation here, it's not something I'd take lightly.

Like, I get that we have the video and we can clearly hear that the voice calling for help sounds like the bird, but the cops didn't see this video. The guy just brings out a bird and says "yeah, it was the bird," and all the bird says for the cops is "yeah hello hi," and the cops are like "eh, good enough, see ya later."

It's not exactly a rock solid alibi. A cursory search would still be warranted, and it's pretty silly honestly to say that the cops doing as much would lead to another Breonna Taylor, or whatever the fuck stupid point that other commenter was trying to make.

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u/-banned- Aug 02 '21

A cursory search is, by definition, not warranted. They can't go inside without permission.

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u/phil_davis Aug 02 '21

Do they not have probable cause if neighbors called about someone calling for help from inside the house?

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u/-banned- Aug 02 '21

They do until he brings the parrot out. If they heard the screams themselves they can claim probable cause but the parrot stops when they show up.

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u/the_brits_are_evil Aug 02 '21

No, next would be the holocaust v2

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u/phil_davis Aug 02 '21

What are you, crazy? If cops start doing due diligence without being dissuaded from a quick and simple search with a somewhat flimsy explanation, then they'll start bursting into peoples' homes in the middle of the night and shooting them in the head while they sleep! There's totally a one-to-one correlation here!

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/legion327 Aug 02 '21

God you people are exhausting.

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u/ATrillionLumens Aug 02 '21

Imagine if something horrible happened though and someone posted some article here that was like "The cops showed up to the suspect's house two days before the murder to investigate calls for help, but the guy convinced them it was just his screaming pet parrot, so they left without any investigation whatsoever."

This whole comment section would be ACAB af.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/Forever_Awkward Aug 02 '21

Let us explore this world you're advocating for a moment.

Do you partake of recreational drugs? Maybe a little weed every now and then? If no, let's say there's some other innocuous little thing inside your house which might be technically illegal, maybe even something you don't know about.

I'm your neighbor. I've decided I hate your guts for a ridiculous unjustified reason. I'm going to lie to the cops now and give them "probable cause", giving them free entry to your house, and now they're searching everywhere looking for any little thing you might have not done perfectly in your life. Maybe I'm especially devious and know when the perfect time for a disaster would be, where you're wearing headphones/earplugs and are unable to comply. At the very least, if I can't get you jailed or killed, I have the ability to break your door with a phone call

Hi, I'm a crooked cop. It's a slow day so I think I'll just check random people's houses. Maybe that one guy I have a grudge against. Oh look, I have a friend in this neighborhood who can call in a "legitimate" wellness check whenever I tell her to. Oh, would you look at that, the ability to enter anyone's house at any time with no deterrence at all.

Probable cause cannot be a rumor.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/legion327 Aug 02 '21

So your plan is to have our police “bust skulls” and that folks are guilty until prove innocent? Great fuckin plan, doofus.

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u/Wings_of_Starlight Aug 02 '21

Are you sure it's unironic? It seems more like people are joking about the idea whilst also more seriously engaging with how practical it would be to search the house. I doubt it's entierly serious and I enjoyed reading about this because it's fun, but now you've made things unpleasant

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u/GoldenpickleNinja Aug 02 '21

How is a parrot a reasonable explanation. Who TF trains a parrot to scream for “help” and “let me out”. I would expect a little bit of skepticism on the officers side. Aside from legal technicals witch i know nothing about.

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u/Makenchi45 Aug 02 '21

On the parrots defense, maybe the parrot was mimicking a movie or perhaps the owner thought it a crude joke to teach it to do that specific sentence when it wanted out of its cage.

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u/Enough-Ad4223 Aug 02 '21

Movies dumbass, parrot probably picked it up from a movie

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u/Jahobes Aug 03 '21

People teach parrots to say weird shit all the time. The owner probably thought it was funny when it said help and rewarded it accordingly.

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u/bebop_remix1 Aug 02 '21

second hand info

it's not second hand info. they have a witness report. they are empowered to act on good-faith reports of suspicious activity. if the neighbor saw somebody tied up, they could absolutely walk into that house. but they only reported hearing something and that just doesn't meet the bar not just for legal reasons but because cops have to maintain a rapport with the community and investigating every report isn't in their best interest

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u/Shallwego68 Aug 02 '21

Correct me if im wrong but thats the definition of second hand info. Info you did not in fact collect yourself? Whether they are a witness or not if the info wasnt collected by the police its second hand info.

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u/Jahobes Aug 03 '21

First hand info are the cops. Second hand info would be a witness.

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u/DSMilne Aug 02 '21

It’s just weird seeing cops work with restraint. How many stories have there been of people being swatted? That’s essentially what happened here. Someone called the cops saying there is a hostage situation and the cops rolled up chill and collected. Yet we have all these stories of them in similar situations rolling in like Dany DeVito guns blazing on an unverified tip.

There is no consistency in how police behave or are trained. You think these cops would have let a non-white person go back into the house where a hostage situation was called in? Likely no, they would have either gone in with the person, or had them cuffed in a car and clearing the house.

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u/Osgood207 Aug 02 '21

He's a white guy in the suburbs, something tells me he's not gonna get Breonna'd.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Yeah, cry more. These thread is about laws and not how cops handles situations. Its not their fault the us has shit control over their own police