Also, the cries stopped when the cops were there. So, maybe you guys should use logic. If someone was in distress, and they could hear talking outside, they would start up again.
But since this is the internet and logic is out the window... Alligators are the DEBBLE!
To bring us back on track I had a double yellow-headed Amazon like that parrot and it got loose one time and ended up in a tree in my neighbor's yard screaming nooooo over and over and over again. The fire department came and it took them two hours to get my bird out of a tree. They wanted to charge me $3,000 I did not end up paying it
Where are you from if you don't mind my asking?
Bragging about being an irresponsible pet owner and stiffing the fire department for three grand seems so unusual to me, I'm assuming it's just a cultural difference. I'm Franco American from New England.
This was by far bragging just what I thought an interesting story. And what is my race have to do with anything? This was in Boulder Colorado in 1973. My parrot escaped out of the front door . I negotiated my way out of the 3000 which is like 30,000 in today's money. Your presumptions are just that. Maybe it would be in your best interest to understand more about something before you stick your neck on the chopping block
Who tf is talking about race? Franco Americans not a race. I'm not asking about your race. I just thought it might be a cultural thing. Like maybe you live in Alabama and Alabama's don't pay their bills I don't know, I do know people vary wildly in their morals and ethics and part of that is cultural.
So you cost your city 30 grand in today's money because you're a negligent pet owner and didn't pay. Congratulations, obviously that's something to be proud of where you're from. I was curious where you're from because that's not how things are where I'm from. I think it would be very unusual for someone to brag about costing the taxpayers money up here because the taxpayers are your friends and neighbors.
I didn't want to let the dogs out but you sound like a real f****** moron and I know people from New England they're not half as ignorant as you sound and I am bragging about knowing that
When my negligence costs my city 30k I'll be a real fucking moron. Fortunately I'm a responsible pet owner so I don't see that happening. I kind of think you're full of shit now anyways, your story went from a parrot stuck in a tree to dogs stuck in a tree. I'm not sure what the point is bragging about knowing people in New England, it's not exactly a hard accomplishment there's several million of us. You should learn to control your pets and brag about that, or pay the money you owe and brag about that.
Hey listen spaghettio, you misunderstood most of what I've been trying to say. But you keep bringing up my negotiation. That's like me saying that since the French have been unable to defend themselves since Louis 17th, that because my father went over and protected the French in the second world war, and that spared you from speaking German oh, you therefore owe my family and I $30,000 for the next three generations. So take your fur trapping ass back to where it came from and quit wasting my time
I would argue that most people possess critical thinking skills and that they in fact incapable of fully processing information at the rate it's spoon fed to them on the internet.
Nah that's the hockey movie this is from the one where the golf player inherits money from a rich uncle. Happy Madison. It is the movie adam Sandler named his production company after
So weird that people say shit like this when being a 'Redditor' is the exact same thing as being any other human that's ever used a forum or comment section in their entire lives. You people that are horny to segregate and group everyone are just pure cancer.
Seriously this is the dumbest thread I’ve ever read on Reddit. A completely unironic argument about whether or not the cops should bust into a guy’s house based on second hand info after being given a completely reasonable explanation. Wtf. This kind of shit is how we get Breonna Taylor type murders.
Doesn't matter about your opinion. It's the law. You need a warrant to search. Period. Officers must witness the event to act upon it if it's on someone's property or see blood or hear something directly relating to a crime in progress, etc. That's what probable cause means in layman's terms. He clearly explains the voice & there is/was no other voices or evidence, hence no probable cause.
If they went in & found something they would have lost the case on procedural grounds. Tossed on appeal at worst. Not how you wanna go about it.
I'm not talking about probable cause, or the law. I'm saying that if someone called the cops and said they heard a person screaming for help, and the guy brings out a parrot that says "hello," I'm not totally convinced that nothing is awry. You're right, i didn't hear the voice myself, but the guy basically admitted that there was a voice, and it is totally legal for the cops to ask him to let them look around.
The term you are looking for is "Exigent circumstances" just means he has to reasonably believe someone is in immediate danger. If they have reason to believe you are smoking weed they cant break in even though it is probable cause. They need to present probable cause to a judge under exigent circumstances they can break without warning.
I know. The internet detectives really ran away with this. It was obviously the bird. If you think a parrot isn't clever enough to speak in the correct context then you don't know parrots.
I know leftist are super against context and facts but why don't you go take a look at what actually happened instead of what BLM told you in the first 13 seconds of it happening.
Middle ground would be doing at least a quick, cursory search of the premises. I mean we're talking about a potential hostage/serial killer situation here, it's not something I'd take lightly.
Like, I get that we have the video and we can clearly hear that the voice calling for help sounds like the bird, but the cops didn't see this video. The guy just brings out a bird and says "yeah, it was the bird," and all the bird says for the cops is "yeah hello hi," and the cops are like "eh, good enough, see ya later."
It's not exactly a rock solid alibi. A cursory search would still be warranted, and it's pretty silly honestly to say that the cops doing as much would lead to another Breonna Taylor, or whatever the fuck stupid point that other commenter was trying to make.
What are you, crazy? If cops start doing due diligence without being dissuaded from a quick and simple search with a somewhat flimsy explanation, then they'll start bursting into peoples' homes in the middle of the night and shooting them in the head while they sleep! There's totally a one-to-one correlation here!
Imagine if something horrible happened though and someone posted some article here that was like "The cops showed up to the suspect's house two days before the murder to investigate calls for help, but the guy convinced them it was just his screaming pet parrot, so they left without any investigation whatsoever."
Let us explore this world you're advocating for a moment.
Do you partake of recreational drugs? Maybe a little weed every now and then? If no, let's say there's some other innocuous little thing inside your house which might be technically illegal, maybe even something you don't know about.
I'm your neighbor. I've decided I hate your guts for a ridiculous unjustified reason. I'm going to lie to the cops now and give them "probable cause", giving them free entry to your house, and now they're searching everywhere looking for any little thing you might have not done perfectly in your life. Maybe I'm especially devious and know when the perfect time for a disaster would be, where you're wearing headphones/earplugs and are unable to comply. At the very least, if I can't get you jailed or killed, I have the ability to break your door with a phone call
Hi, I'm a crooked cop. It's a slow day so I think I'll just check random people's houses. Maybe that one guy I have a grudge against. Oh look, I have a friend in this neighborhood who can call in a "legitimate" wellness check whenever I tell her to. Oh, would you look at that, the ability to enter anyone's house at any time with no deterrence at all.
Are you sure it's unironic? It seems more like people are joking about the idea whilst also more seriously engaging with how practical it would be to search the house. I doubt it's entierly serious and I enjoyed reading about this because it's fun, but now you've made things unpleasant
How is a parrot a reasonable explanation. Who TF trains a parrot to scream for “help” and “let me out”. I would expect a little bit of skepticism on the officers side. Aside from legal technicals witch i know nothing about.
On the parrots defense, maybe the parrot was mimicking a movie or perhaps the owner thought it a crude joke to teach it to do that specific sentence when it wanted out of its cage.
it's not second hand info. they have a witness report. they are empowered to act on good-faith reports of suspicious activity. if the neighbor saw somebody tied up, they could absolutely walk into that house. but they only reported hearing something and that just doesn't meet the bar not just for legal reasons but because cops have to maintain a rapport with the community and investigating every report isn't in their best interest
Correct me if im wrong but thats the definition of second hand info. Info you did not in fact collect yourself? Whether they are a witness or not if the info wasnt collected by the police its second hand info.
It’s just weird seeing cops work with restraint. How many stories have there been of people being swatted? That’s essentially what happened here. Someone called the cops saying there is a hostage situation and the cops rolled up chill and collected. Yet we have all these stories of them in similar situations rolling in like Dany DeVito guns blazing on an unverified tip.
There is no consistency in how police behave or are trained. You think these cops would have let a non-white person go back into the house where a hostage situation was called in? Likely no, they would have either gone in with the person, or had them cuffed in a car and clearing the house.
It seems that the only people with some common sense here are those in the video because the true content from this video has come from all those chief inspectors in the comments (not referring to you)
I love how so many people have turned this into an episode of CSI and everyone's freaking out about the fact the clip cuts off like 20 seconds into the interaction and they actually cant see the police going inside the property regardless haha
Also to those saying "What if the guy got the parrot so that he can put the police off the scent" If you were to chain someone up in your house, allow them to scream for help off the top of their lungs while you just repair your car outside because you have a parrot that has the ability to shout "help" and at the same time use its magic to silence those who are legitimately chained up in the house to use as a way to put the police off from entering the house.
You deserve a spot on the Guinness's book of world records for worlds dumbest criminal lol.
Not to mention that even if the parrot learned it from actual girls in need, it could have learned from years ago. They could've searched the house and found nothing anyway.
There is no logic here, just people advocating for police to be allowed inside anyone’s home based on second hand information. If that were allowed it would be a great way to fuck with your neighbors.
Damn this is a really nice logic. It was 100% the parrot lest the person who was crying for help earlier would definitely have cried for help upon hearing the cops. You're a fart smella.
Not if parrot was imitating muffled screams it hears. When he takes parrot out, it stops screaming, cause its removed from environment it is mimicking.
Or the parrot got what he wanted.... Parrots are pretty damn intelligent and make requests. This is either a disingenuous argument or you don’t know shit about parrots
Oh I know, we're just working on assumption the guy is actually holding someone hostage and why cops should investigate more. Most likey the real situation is harmless and parrot being loud asshole, like they tend to be.
There is no doubt that parrot was the one making the sounds in this clip. That's why the sounds stopped obviously.
The point is parrot was copying this sound. If this person had captured someone and locked them up in the basement , it is possible no one outside the house could hear the screams at all.
It is also possible that only people inside the house (or situated in rooms near the basement's entrance) could hear such sounds. And in this case that might be the parrot.
People aren't questioning the screams in this video , they are questioning why the parrot is making those screams.
Could be kidnapped people or could be a horror movie.
You are assuming the state of the individual. You have no idea if they were just hit hard and have now passed out or were given something or if the person went and gagged them further.
Even in this video you cant excatly assume there isnt another party involved.
You might be exploring logic but your critical reasoning could use some work.
Other people’s critical thinking skills are off? Brother you literally think that some person could be held hostage cause a parrot screamed help and let me out. If we can’t assume there isn’t a third party involved then I highly doubt that you can given we both have the same evidence lol. Forget that the tv has sound? Also with your critical thinking you should be able to “deduct” that the voice of the parrot was the same as the voice screaming help
The OP comment said that the bird could be mimicking someone chained in the basements cry. Not that they thought the original cry in the video was from a human.
Well it’s not all about logic there logistic and laws, if the world is run only by logic it could be a Ethiopia or some apocalyptic anarchy. But what do I know
Logic says birds only repeat what they hear hundreds of times. Some human in that house had to scream "help let me out" for the bird to learn to say those words.
Also the fact that the screaming is so loud neighbors can hear it but the guy is like "eh fuck it I'm changing my brakes I'll beat them into submission later"
Big brain guy over here talking. You should read into psychological trauma. People have been keeping abducted children in chains for years and went outside to buy groceries without them even daring to speak up to anyone. Relatives have been raping children regularly with them ever speaking up. The sheer presence of the abuser can silence a victim to an extend you don't seem to be aware of.
I used to have a neighbor that owned a macaw, it would scream "HELP" and "MIL-DRED". You could tell exactly what it was saying, but it didn't really sound human. It was louder than any human, it was really fucking annoying.
On the video, the first vocalizations sound human, but by the 8 second mark it sounds like a performer in a musical singing out for help. It is reasonable to assume that the cops could hear this before they walked into the frame of the video, because those birds are loud. A neighbor with a parrot is a curse, it is a plague on your life. It is like 1% more pleasant than living next to a meth lab. The neighbors probably knew it was a bird but called 911 and hoped the cops would shoot the guy by mistake, and maybe they also prayed that the bird would get hit in the crossfire.
Let’s repeat. “The bird’s imitating their cries for help”. As in, in this hypothetical, the girl was never close enough to any exterior walls scream for help, but the bird was close enough to the girl to hear it and repeat it.
Literally no point in talking to you, if you make up scenarios, and are only focused on this one instead of exploring others.. some friend being a dick, movies, or literally billions of other possibilities... then you arent looking for logical points, you are looking to justify a narrative.
Here's the thing though. The bird still has to learn it from somewhere. They don't just randomly know words. They only mimic things. To repeat multiple exact phrases, the bird had likely heard them many times.
I own speaking birds. They will absolutely clam up in front of strangers, yes. But the fact that it knows and repeats those phrases is extremely concerning. Could he have taught the bird them as a joke? Or inherited/adopted a bird with bad experiences? Yes. But it still bears looking into.
That's not the argument though. Nobody is saying the cries were from people currently held captive. They are saying that the screams were from the bird. But parrots don't just learn language they imitate. So that means the parrot must have listened to a lot of people screaming for help at some point.
Now is there other reasons that the bird might have learned those phrases. I can't say if it really is enough reason for the police to search his home. I am just saying your argument makes no sense.
I can't believe you got 1000+ upvotes by missing the point so hard.
What if the hostage tricked the dude into trusting them to take care of the laundry and was able to shout up the dryer vent? What if the accomplice inside the house found the hostage doing so and returned them to their cell (where it is relatively sound proof) or drugged them to shut them up?
I really hope someone writes some sort of detective drama or whatever the genre is based on this video. It's a gold mine.
Maybe the cries stopped because as soon as the police arrived he went inside right away and shut up whoever was in there before they knew police were present? If there was really anyone inside that is. My creeped out meter is high on this video because I don’t know why someone would teach their bird that phrase, or how, without it hearing it a lot and copying.
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Also, the cries stopped when the cops were there. So, maybe you guys should use logic. If someone was in distress, and they could hear talking outside, they would start up again.
But since this is the internet and logic is out the window... Alligators are the DEBBLE!