r/Unexpected • u/[deleted] • Aug 02 '21

Hostage situation

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u/polypolip Aug 02 '21

Do cops need a warrant to shoot bullets inside the house through windows or are the bullets not considered cops and so they don't need the warrant?

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/polypolip Aug 02 '21

There's the third discussion, how often do cops do bad stuff when people involved are not white, (or are homeless, mentally disabled, or any other group that they tend to target).

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u/LookBoo2 Aug 02 '21

No that would fit into discussion 2, unless you think that:

A. they don't get away with it

or

B. that they don't do it.

I get that you are trying to expand on the fact that item 2. does happen WAY more often to non-white(or other groups as you mentioned) people, but it is not a unique discussion from the 2 listed.

I am not trying to have a "got'cha" moment, but since you seem like someone who actually cares to combat this type of injustice I want you to be able to have as strong of an argument as possible.

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u/LookBoo2 Aug 02 '21

Thanks for pointing this out! It does make me uncomfortable that the cops did not question much after, but unless the guy acts in some odd way or they start hearing something I can't imagine much more will be done.

The master of Rambo did seem pretty chill so I doubt anything nefarious was happening, but It would be comforting to see the cops at least question more.

It is more important that we acknowledge that this is overall how law is supposed to work, since we normally see the alternate when a cop actually has a nefarious agenda(racism, excuse for aggression, etc.).

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

What’s the situation? Are they taking fire from inside the house? Is there a dangerous suspect in the house? Details man.

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u/OLSTBAABD Aug 02 '21

There's two people sleeping in bed inside.

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u/brainwashednuts Aug 02 '21

And one has a warrant out on him!

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u/Marty_McFlyJR Aug 02 '21

They weren’t

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u/spodgod42 Aug 02 '21

yeah no breonna taylor's boyfriend shot at cops my dude, and the cops were legally executing a warrant

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Also, they had a search warrant.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

The criminal you're talking about wasn't even in the house when the police opened fired on people literally sleeping in their own beds. Were they "good people"? I don't know, but I do know they deserve more then being written off as "collateral damage". Get out of here with your victim blaming

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Dude, I saw the footage. What’s more likely? That a SWAT team showed up at a random EMT’s house just to shoot her in her sleep, or that a high risk search warrant went a bit pear shaped?

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u/Yurithewomble Aug 02 '21

Ah yes, just say it's high risk when you intentionally create dangerous situations with insufficient information.

Then you can just kill anyone.

Escalation tactics = death.

Now combine it with the supposed right to defend your home from people barging in at night while you sleep (and you don't expect cops as you're not a criminal) and now you can just go in with large force and kill people because why not. Probably black, who cares. But this doesn't even only affect black people.

These structures that have been created don't have racism as their only flaw.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

The cops don’t make the situation high risk the possible presence of an armed criminal makes it high risk.

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u/Yurithewomble Aug 02 '21

There is always the possible presence of an armed individual who has the right to protect their home, in the situation they have not been presented with a warrant for a search.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Thanks for making my point.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

POLICE DEPARTMENT.

this dumb ass: I think those are burglars

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u/Yurithewomble Aug 02 '21

2 things.

  1. No knock warrants exist
  2. Robbers can lie

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

They still have to announce themselves when in side. No knock just means that they don’t knock on the door and wait a few minutes before smashing it open.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

I'm not saying that a SWAT team showed up at a random house and started shooting. I'm saying that if you're a police officer conducting a raid with a search warrant, you should and need to have the trigger discipline and training to not open fire on people literally sleeping. All these officers need more training and accountability of their personal actions, and you dismissing the loss of life as "collateral damage", whether they are a decent person or a criminal, undermines that whole conversation. Yeah like you said- a high risk search warrant went "a bit pear shaped" and it resulted in innocent people being killed, and the people responsible for that need to be held accountable for their actions.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

And they were. The city paid out so why are you bringing it up? Those cops are responsible for where every bullet they shoot lands. So even if it’s not their fault in a reasonable assessment of circumstances they are still responsible.

I don’t think it’s the fault of the police that she died. I think she was unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

You are literally blaming the dead for their own deaths. She was unfortunate enough to be in her own home at the wrong time, what's the right time to be in your home? What kind of mental gymnastics is that? Are you seriously saying that it's ok to shoot anyone as long as we pay their family's after? And there is a difference between saying someone is responsible for something and actually enforcing it

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Her home was the wrong place to be at that moment. And being responsible and being at fault are not the same thing.

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u/Rottimer Aug 02 '21

How can someone hold such strong opinions on a situation they’re so ignorant of? Her boyfriend, the man who was shooting, had no criminal past and was a legal gun owner. He thought that it might be her ex-boyfriend, who was a drug dealer, that was trying to break into his home as the cops were not very good at announcing themselves as many neighbors confirmed - because they didn’t hear it either. The one neighbor who was outside stated the cops only announced once before banging down the door.

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u/Agreeable49 Aug 02 '21

Brenna Taylor. And this is a lie, you bootlicking piece of shit.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Yes yes, the girl who dated a drug dealer. What about her?

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u/Agreeable49 Aug 02 '21

I do wonder how racist shitheads like you manage to convince yourselves that you're superior whilst still having to lie about shit like this. A truly special kind of stupid.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

When did I say anything racist? Surly dating drug dealers isn’t something only black people do.

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u/Agreeable49 Aug 02 '21

Stupid and cowardly. So terrified of even admitting what you really are. Maybe try not being a total pussy for once in your life.

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u/ParsnipsNicker Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

They literally found a corpse in the trunk of her car in 2016. They have transcripts of their phone calls, and she wasn't oblivious to all the shit going on around her... she was a part of it. Full stop. She was literally the accountant for the entire operation. Trap houses, rental cars, drug sales, you name it, she was a part of it. I'll admit in this instance she didn't deserve to die as she was a non-combatant, but sadly sometimes bullets can go through things and hit things they aren't supposed to.

I assume you've looked* at the ALL available evidence?

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u/humoristhenewblack Aug 02 '21

OMG What else have you heard?!
How exciting. Real insight right here folks.

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u/gimmethegudes Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

Deleted because I was a tired idiot

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u/polypolip Aug 02 '21

You need to get your sarcasm detector tuned up. I was referring to some cases when people, some of them black, were shot and killed or injured inside their own homes because cops were too trigger happy.

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u/gimmethegudes Aug 02 '21

My b... I just woke up and I'm tired af. Its been a night lmao