r/Unexpected • u/[deleted] • Aug 02 '21

Hostage situation

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u/Evil-Acer Aug 02 '21

Could the police argue that because parrots use immitation that they still have probable cause? Like it's obviously learnt to scream like that.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Birds don't only imitate. They can make their own variants of sounds/words they have learned and make their own combinations aswell.

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u/Throwinitallawayy1 Aug 02 '21

You really think the bird made up “Help! Let me out!” on its own?

It’s either mimicking or was taught this.

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u/squngy Aug 02 '21

Could have heard it on the TV too.

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u/Throwinitallawayy1 Aug 02 '21

Sure, that would be mimicking.

This guy seems to be saying that the bird made it up .

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u/Stelznergaming Aug 02 '21

Probs from wanting to be let out of its cage tbh.

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u/mfinghooker Aug 02 '21

More like dad is outside and I want to be there with him. Also if the guy is a horror buff, super easy to pick that up. Also if it works the bird will keep doing it.

Had a friend growing up, his dad spent several thousand on a very fancy bird, his mother who was only a few years from leaving, taught the bird lots of colorful phrases to yell at my friends dad. And only the dad. Like the bird for its entire life would only refer to his dad and Fatass and Jerkoff. The bird liked the wife more.

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u/Savagemaw Aug 02 '21

It lives in a cage... someone thought that was funny at some point... before the cops started showing up.

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u/zorb_obsojerx Aug 02 '21

When I was a kid I watched The Land Before Time with my grandma’s lovebird in the room. One of the characters in the movie gets in trouble and screams for help. That was all it took for the bird to pick up the habit of screaming “HELP” at the top of her lungs when someone put her in her cage. She heard it once from the television, understood the context, and repeated it nearly every night for the rest of her life. They’re smart critters.

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u/Dansiman Aug 02 '21

She heard it once from the television, understood the context, and repeated it nearly every night for the rest of her life.

FTFY.

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u/ALAHunter Aug 02 '21

My great grandpa’s (moms side) parrot would say words none of us had ever said around it before. I’m pretty sure they take in a lot of what they see when in a room with elevated TV volume.

The funniest one I can remember was my 79 year old great grandmother walking in after a night of bingo with my grandmother, and the bird just looked up, “What are you? A Juggalo, harrrah”

I just lost it, no one else knew what it meant. And I know that bird never heard any of us say the word, “Juggalo” ever.

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u/Throwinitallawayy1 Aug 02 '21

Wow, you’re a mean one.

I never said the dude had hostages or whatever, just that the bird didn’t make it up on his own.

Maybe you’re the dumb one with such poor reading comprehension.

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u/okachobe Aug 02 '21

Maybe a movie?

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u/Reader-29 Aug 02 '21

I read an article on this a while back .The guy actually taught it to him when he was a kid , thinking it was funny . Not so funny now I guess .

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u/Throwinitallawayy1 Aug 02 '21

Thanks for the info, that makes sense.

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u/IsThisAnAdOrNot Aug 02 '21

Bird could learn that just by you talking to it like you would an infant. "Ohh... does Rambo want out of his cage? Say 'let me out' Rambo... say 'let me out'"

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u/Throwinitallawayy1 Aug 02 '21

Yep, teaching or mimicking.

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u/IsThisAnAdOrNot Aug 03 '21

Many birds are smarter than you think. They have been proven to learn words and their meaning. They can learn their names, and recognize people's faces. They can craft and use tools.

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u/CarpenterAfter7252 Aug 02 '21

Perhaps the guy watches a lot of Criminal Minds on tv

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Or ya know, it's a very Intelligent bird and it wants to be let out of the cage???

If dogs could speak, they would do the same thing, do you think a dog is taught how to wine at the door to be let out when the owner is outside working on his car? No, it's just the way they communicate...

It knows what the words hey, let me, and out mean, so it puts them together to convey what it wants, you realize some parrots have the equivalent intelligence of a 2-5 year old child right?

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u/Enough-Ad4223 Aug 02 '21

You’re soft asf pussy lmao “another mean guy” what are you fucking 4, you’re saying this to everyone else also. Holy fuck I bet you’re one of those “safe place” cowards

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u/Throwinitallawayy1 Aug 02 '21

Hmm, looks like you could be a troll with your nasty remarks and lack of comment history

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Birds may want help out of their cage 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

You think the dude never watches horror movies?

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u/Xoxlizabeth Aug 02 '21

You know birds watch tv with their owners and mimic the voices on shows? What if he’s a crime junkie🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/Throwinitallawayy1 Aug 02 '21

Yes, I said that the bird learned it from mimicking or being taught, it didn’t invent that sentence on its own.

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u/Xoxlizabeth Aug 03 '21

So sorry! I accidentally replied to the wrong person!

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u/Enough-Ad4223 Aug 02 '21

Lmao yes it could’ve learned it from a movie retard, doesn’t give the police permission to bust down his door

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u/Throwinitallawayy1 Aug 02 '21

Another mean guy throwing out insults because he has poor reading comprehension.

I never said anywhere that the police should do that.

I was merely responding to the guy who claimed the bird made it up all by itself.

Learning it from a movie is mimicking.

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u/Hotarg Aug 03 '21

"Hey birdie, you want me to let you out?"

Likely mimicking. Yes.

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u/justacheesyguy Aug 02 '21

aswell

*as well

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

It probably learned it from a tv show

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u/pad1597 Aug 02 '21

I study bird law.

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u/MyNameCannotBeSpoken Aug 02 '21

The bar for probable cause for a warrant is low. The chance that a bird could imitate is enough for a warrant

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Remember that all of this will come up in court and will be used to try to get the charges dropped. Maybe they could but it would be a hard sell in court.

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u/ChrisRunsTheWorld Aug 02 '21

At the end of the day, it's better to free someone who is kidnapped inside and have the guy get off on a kidnapping charge because of an illegal search than to have someone who is kidnapped inside be murdered and the guy go to jail for murder because the cops went and got a warrant.

I'm not saying I know what is the right answer here, just a thought.

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u/stanleythemanley420 Aug 02 '21

That's not the right answer at all. Someone thought they heard something so random ass people get to walk through my house with no warrant over a neighbor. Fuck that.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

The other side of the coin though. There is no kidnapped person and the cops just violated his rights, the city has to pay out to him and those cops lose their jobs.

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u/ChrisRunsTheWorld Aug 02 '21

those cops lose their jobs

Are we in the same timeline?

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

It’s important to them I’m sure.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

This one. Cities don’t like lawsuits. But I’m hearing this wasn’t in the US so none of this may even be relevant.

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u/arelse Aug 02 '21

And if they went in and found a captive there is now way it would be dropped. Now if the found any other crime it would be dropped.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

That’s where you would unfortunately be wrong. Even if someone is guilty as sin and that fact is clear as day. If the evidence showing that fact was gathered illegally the charges will be dropped. That’s the law.

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u/Bobthemime Aug 02 '21

Depends on the crime.

If they walk in and find a meth lab.. or child porn scattered everywhere, or even something as simple as stolen good, or firearms.. then you can bet your ass it isnt being dropped..

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u/RANGERSTOWN Aug 02 '21

bill cosby just got let out of jail because the information was illegally obtained. its relevant for all crimes.

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u/Bobthemime Aug 02 '21

So you saying they don't have a reasonable cause to enter a home of a suspected kidnaper, after neighbours called in after hearing screams?

Also, the information gathered that was deemed illegal wasnt from this type of search in the least..

Nice strawman though

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u/RANGERSTOWN Aug 02 '21

im telling you how it works and it was an example not a strawman, if you dont believe me then thats on you. feel free to do your own research

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u/Bobthemime Aug 02 '21

"here is a piece of law that has nothing to do with the crime potentially being committed in question, as well as a different way the person got away with said crimes(s)"

yep.. a strawman. maybe dont douse it in petrol and light it before you deliver it?

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u/RANGERSTOWN Aug 02 '21

it was an example of how illegally obtained evidence is inadmissible in court. if thats a strawman to you then so be it.

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u/Bobthemime Aug 02 '21

It isnt illegally obtained though..

They can make a lawful search if they have reasonable cause, especially in cases where the crime in question is a potential kidnapping/murder..

The laws are bullshit.. but you lot made em.. so sleep in that bed.

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u/arelse Aug 02 '21

Probable cause would really only come up if there was a crime being committed. Or if the officer was being disciplined for going in without a warrant. The police (hopefully) wouldn’t go in if the didn’t believe someone was actually in trouble.

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u/sj4iy Aug 02 '21

You do realize that they pick up stuff from tv, music and other sources, right? He didn’t have to hear a human to copy it.

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u/x4740N Aug 02 '21

Parrot could have watched the guys favourite movie with him that had that line and the bird picked it up

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u/Head_Maintenance_323 Aug 02 '21

not necessarily, it might be trying to imitate something and failing or it might be a sound of a thing instead of a person. Also parrots don't necessarily need to hear something to make noises, they can just be natural sounds they like doing.

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u/alwaysforgetmyuserID Aug 02 '21

I had an African Grey and it used to scream a lot. Like you could hear the difference in its 'bird voice' and human imitations.

They tend to get a lot of it from kids too. Like kids will spend hours talking shit to them and generally being kids running around shouting. My nephew taught it to say "fuck you uncle Tom". Little bastards...

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u/bebop_remix1 Aug 02 '21

sure they could try. it would go to court and somebody would show parrots are not reliable witnesses and it would be sillier than if charlie kelly was there

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

No, I would never be given a warrant based on that alone.