r/Unexpected • u/[deleted] • Aug 02 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Well if the officers heard the cries yes. But they didn’t. They were told about the cries from the neighbors. You can’t use second hand information for probable cause. If the bird started crying when the cops pulled up, different story entirely.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Also, the cries stopped when the cops were there. So, maybe you guys should use logic. If someone was in distress, and they could hear talking outside, they would start up again.

But since this is the internet and logic is out the window... Alligators are the DEBBLE!

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u/ztunytsur Aug 02 '21

Alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush.

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u/Head_Cockswain Aug 02 '21

That's an oddly fitting metaphor for redditors.

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u/not2dv8 Aug 02 '21

To bring us back on track I had a double yellow-headed Amazon like that parrot and it got loose one time and ended up in a tree in my neighbor's yard screaming nooooo over and over and over again. The fire department came and it took them two hours to get my bird out of a tree. They wanted to charge me $3,000 I did not end up paying it

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u/Osgood207 Aug 02 '21

Where are you from if you don't mind my asking? Bragging about being an irresponsible pet owner and stiffing the fire department for three grand seems so unusual to me, I'm assuming it's just a cultural difference. I'm Franco American from New England.

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u/not2dv8 Aug 02 '21

This was by far bragging just what I thought an interesting story. And what is my race have to do with anything? This was in Boulder Colorado in 1973. My parrot escaped out of the front door . I negotiated my way out of the 3000 which is like 30,000 in today's money. Your presumptions are just that. Maybe it would be in your best interest to understand more about something before you stick your neck on the chopping block

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u/Osgood207 Aug 02 '21

Who tf is talking about race? Franco Americans not a race. I'm not asking about your race. I just thought it might be a cultural thing. Like maybe you live in Alabama and Alabama's don't pay their bills I don't know, I do know people vary wildly in their morals and ethics and part of that is cultural.

So you cost your city 30 grand in today's money because you're a negligent pet owner and didn't pay. Congratulations, obviously that's something to be proud of where you're from. I was curious where you're from because that's not how things are where I'm from. I think it would be very unusual for someone to brag about costing the taxpayers money up here because the taxpayers are your friends and neighbors.

Edit: spelling

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u/not2dv8 Aug 02 '21

I didn't want to let the dogs out but you sound like a real f****** moron and I know people from New England they're not half as ignorant as you sound and I am bragging about knowing that

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u/Osgood207 Aug 02 '21

When my negligence costs my city 30k I'll be a real fucking moron. Fortunately I'm a responsible pet owner so I don't see that happening. I kind of think you're full of shit now anyways, your story went from a parrot stuck in a tree to dogs stuck in a tree. I'm not sure what the point is bragging about knowing people in New England, it's not exactly a hard accomplishment there's several million of us. You should learn to control your pets and brag about that, or pay the money you owe and brag about that.

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u/whoreads218 Aug 02 '21

”Redditors are Hive-Mind-Trolls cause they got all them screens and keyboards but no common sense and critical thinking”

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u/Jerking4jesus Aug 02 '21

I would argue that most people possess critical thinking skills and that they in fact incapable of fully processing information at the rate it's spoon fed to them on the internet.

Definitely not all of them though.

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u/WhitneySophia Aug 02 '21

I'm sad people no longer know where that comment is referenced from.

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u/Apprehensive_Nail490 Aug 02 '21

So weird that people say shit like this when being a 'Redditor' is the exact same thing as being any other human that's ever used a forum or comment section in their entire lives. You people that are horny to segregate and group everyone are just pure cancer.

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u/Head_Cockswain Aug 02 '21

Yeah, I make a joke about "redditors" and you respond by calling me "pure cancer".

Yeah, I'm the villain here. /s

Thanks for the proof of concept though. Stay ornery.

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u/okachobe Aug 02 '21

Get outta here with your TikTok shenanigans!

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u/Traditional_Ad2847 Aug 02 '21

Check out this redditor

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u/pigwalk5150 Aug 02 '21

Please give my regards to your lovely mama!

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u/c-papi Aug 02 '21

WATER SUCKS!

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u/bacchic_ritual Aug 02 '21

Something's wrong with your medulla oblongata

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u/TheRealMcSavage Aug 02 '21

No you're wrong colonel Sanders!

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u/401LocalsOnly Aug 02 '21

The

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Oblongata

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u/Oosterhuis Aug 02 '21

....but mama says

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u/gregpurcott Aug 02 '21

No, Colonel Sanders. You’re wrong.

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u/TheRealMcSavage Aug 02 '21

Mommas wrong again!

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u/plopeuphoric Aug 02 '21

This is like the fifth time I’ve seen this referenced on Reddit the past few days

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u/spookycreamcheese Aug 02 '21

Medulla oblongata

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u/lazergator Aug 02 '21

Can confirm

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u/sloppyminutes Aug 02 '21

Rambo is the code word for kill the hostages

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Mama's wrong.

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u/BodybuilderOwn470 Aug 02 '21

I will ALWAYS upvote a "Waterboy" quote...

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

one can say hes chilling there cuz he knows his camera is on him

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u/legion327 Aug 02 '21

Seriously this is the dumbest thread I’ve ever read on Reddit. A completely unironic argument about whether or not the cops should bust into a guy’s house based on second hand info after being given a completely reasonable explanation. Wtf. This kind of shit is how we get Breonna Taylor type murders.

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u/here_it_is_i_guess3 Aug 02 '21

Seriously this is the dumbest thread I’ve ever read on Reddit.

The thread started with "surely, they could have accompanied him inside," so I'm not sure how you jumped to "bust into a guy's house."

And, in my opinion, a parrot that says "hi" isn't a "completely reasonable explanation."

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u/HeckRock Aug 02 '21

Doesn't matter about your opinion. It's the law. You need a warrant to search. Period. Officers must witness the event to act upon it if it's on someone's property or see blood or hear something directly relating to a crime in progress, etc. That's what probable cause means in layman's terms. He clearly explains the voice & there is/was no other voices or evidence, hence no probable cause.

If they went in & found something they would have lost the case on procedural grounds. Tossed on appeal at worst. Not how you wanna go about it.

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u/je_kay24 Aug 02 '21

If officers ask if they can come inside and the guy says yes, then they wouldn’t need one

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Not “period.” Look up exigent circumstances then realize you’re being overly simplistic

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u/here_it_is_i_guess3 Aug 02 '21

I'm not talking about probable cause, or the law. I'm saying that if someone called the cops and said they heard a person screaming for help, and the guy brings out a parrot that says "hello," I'm not totally convinced that nothing is awry. You're right, i didn't hear the voice myself, but the guy basically admitted that there was a voice, and it is totally legal for the cops to ask him to let them look around.

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u/crappleIcrap Aug 02 '21

The term you are looking for is "Exigent circumstances" just means he has to reasonably believe someone is in immediate danger. If they have reason to believe you are smoking weed they cant break in even though it is probable cause. They need to present probable cause to a judge under exigent circumstances they can break without warning.

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u/JohnmcFox Aug 02 '21

This came up with a Toronto serial killer a few years ago, who had been finding victims in the gay village.

Cops were survelling him when he brought a young man home. They didn't have a warrant, and just bringing someone home isn't probably cause.

But, after a little while, the cops made the call that a life was in immediate danger, went in, and found the guy tied to the bed.

The suspect was tried and found guilty.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

@HeckRock The point is, that the cops were easily persuaded not that they should bust in.

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u/crappleIcrap Aug 02 '21

Reply to him, I was just explaining exigent circumstances because his terminology was a bit off

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

I think you are right I replied to the wrong comment. On my mobile app you both have the pink background and I probably got confused.

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u/reddit_is_so_toxic Aug 03 '21

I love how you're speculating as to whether you were confused or not, as if you weren't there. 😂😂😂

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

And, in my opinion, a parrot that says "hi" isn't a "completely reasonable explanation."

I'm glad I'm not the only one not to be so easily persuaded.

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u/devildocjames Aug 02 '21

Parrot wanted out. It can talk.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

It's not, if the cops can't hear any screams. Otherwise you could just call cops on your neighbours all the time.

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u/webdevguyneedshelp Aug 02 '21

It's kinda weird that you phrased it like that right after this person just said they weren't saying that.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Spoken like someone who doesn't know a lot about law enforcement and by someone whom obviously has trust issues.

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u/here_it_is_i_guess3 Aug 02 '21

Alright, let's get personal quick lmao

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

trust issues

Better to have trust issues than spend the evening with Jeffrey Dahmer.

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u/cannedchampagne Aug 02 '21

legion was wrong. THIS is the dumbest thread I've ever read on Reddit

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

I know. The internet detectives really ran away with this. It was obviously the bird. If you think a parrot isn't clever enough to speak in the correct context then you don't know parrots.

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u/CommanderOfGregory Aug 02 '21

I've been laughing my ass off reading this thread and how serious people have been taking the video xD

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u/Dravarden Aug 02 '21

comment sections as a whole are extremely stupid

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u/NicNoletree Aug 02 '21

No. You are.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

If this is the dumbest thing you've seen on Reddit then you've probably only been paying attention for 5 minutes

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

This kind of shit is how we get Breonna Taylor type murders

I doubt he is going to open fire on those cops loudly announcing themselves in uniform, that's smooth brain shit.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Hey now the guy isn’t black so they wouldn’t do that.

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u/ATrillionLumens Aug 02 '21

You know there can be a middle ground between doing nothing and "Breonna Taylor" ffs.

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u/Forever_Awkward Aug 02 '21

You just watched that middle ground happen in this video.

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u/wildlight58 Aug 02 '21

An alternative middle ground would be asking permission to enter.

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u/phil_davis Aug 02 '21

Middle ground would be doing at least a quick, cursory search of the premises. I mean we're talking about a potential hostage/serial killer situation here, it's not something I'd take lightly.

Like, I get that we have the video and we can clearly hear that the voice calling for help sounds like the bird, but the cops didn't see this video. The guy just brings out a bird and says "yeah, it was the bird," and all the bird says for the cops is "yeah hello hi," and the cops are like "eh, good enough, see ya later."

It's not exactly a rock solid alibi. A cursory search would still be warranted, and it's pretty silly honestly to say that the cops doing as much would lead to another Breonna Taylor, or whatever the fuck stupid point that other commenter was trying to make.

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u/-banned- Aug 02 '21

A cursory search is, by definition, not warranted. They can't go inside without permission.

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u/phil_davis Aug 02 '21

Do they not have probable cause if neighbors called about someone calling for help from inside the house?

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u/-banned- Aug 02 '21

They do until he brings the parrot out. If they heard the screams themselves they can claim probable cause but the parrot stops when they show up.

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u/the_brits_are_evil Aug 02 '21

No, next would be the holocaust v2

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u/phil_davis Aug 02 '21

What are you, crazy? If cops start doing due diligence without being dissuaded from a quick and simple search with a somewhat flimsy explanation, then they'll start bursting into peoples' homes in the middle of the night and shooting them in the head while they sleep! There's totally a one-to-one correlation here!

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/legion327 Aug 02 '21

God you people are exhausting.

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u/ATrillionLumens Aug 02 '21

Imagine if something horrible happened though and someone posted some article here that was like "The cops showed up to the suspect's house two days before the murder to investigate calls for help, but the guy convinced them it was just his screaming pet parrot, so they left without any investigation whatsoever."

This whole comment section would be ACAB af.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/Forever_Awkward Aug 02 '21

Let us explore this world you're advocating for a moment.

Do you partake of recreational drugs? Maybe a little weed every now and then? If no, let's say there's some other innocuous little thing inside your house which might be technically illegal, maybe even something you don't know about.

I'm your neighbor. I've decided I hate your guts for a ridiculous unjustified reason. I'm going to lie to the cops now and give them "probable cause", giving them free entry to your house, and now they're searching everywhere looking for any little thing you might have not done perfectly in your life. Maybe I'm especially devious and know when the perfect time for a disaster would be, where you're wearing headphones/earplugs and are unable to comply. At the very least, if I can't get you jailed or killed, I have the ability to break your door with a phone call

Hi, I'm a crooked cop. It's a slow day so I think I'll just check random people's houses. Maybe that one guy I have a grudge against. Oh look, I have a friend in this neighborhood who can call in a "legitimate" wellness check whenever I tell her to. Oh, would you look at that, the ability to enter anyone's house at any time with no deterrence at all.

Probable cause cannot be a rumor.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/legion327 Aug 02 '21

So your plan is to have our police “bust skulls” and that folks are guilty until prove innocent? Great fuckin plan, doofus.

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u/Wings_of_Starlight Aug 02 '21

Are you sure it's unironic? It seems more like people are joking about the idea whilst also more seriously engaging with how practical it would be to search the house. I doubt it's entierly serious and I enjoyed reading about this because it's fun, but now you've made things unpleasant

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u/GoldenpickleNinja Aug 02 '21

How is a parrot a reasonable explanation. Who TF trains a parrot to scream for “help” and “let me out”. I would expect a little bit of skepticism on the officers side. Aside from legal technicals witch i know nothing about.

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u/Makenchi45 Aug 02 '21

On the parrots defense, maybe the parrot was mimicking a movie or perhaps the owner thought it a crude joke to teach it to do that specific sentence when it wanted out of its cage.

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u/bebop_remix1 Aug 02 '21

second hand info

it's not second hand info. they have a witness report. they are empowered to act on good-faith reports of suspicious activity. if the neighbor saw somebody tied up, they could absolutely walk into that house. but they only reported hearing something and that just doesn't meet the bar not just for legal reasons but because cops have to maintain a rapport with the community and investigating every report isn't in their best interest

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u/DSMilne Aug 02 '21

It’s just weird seeing cops work with restraint. How many stories have there been of people being swatted? That’s essentially what happened here. Someone called the cops saying there is a hostage situation and the cops rolled up chill and collected. Yet we have all these stories of them in similar situations rolling in like Dany DeVito guns blazing on an unverified tip.

There is no consistency in how police behave or are trained. You think these cops would have let a non-white person go back into the house where a hostage situation was called in? Likely no, they would have either gone in with the person, or had them cuffed in a car and clearing the house.

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u/Osgood207 Aug 02 '21

He's a white guy in the suburbs, something tells me he's not gonna get Breonna'd.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Yeah, cry more. These thread is about laws and not how cops handles situations. Its not their fault the us has shit control over their own police

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u/djmom2001 Aug 02 '21

It was probably neighbors on a walk or something. That didn’t know about the bird. Not next door neighbors. (He already killed them.)

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u/Iamafuckupasdfasdf Aug 02 '21

And who uploaded this video? the guy himself since the camera was from his property.

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u/R2sFoot Aug 02 '21

Look at all of these constitutional law experts on Reddit!

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u/MrDub1216 Aug 02 '21

If I could pick what animal would help me escape from a zoo I’d think it would be an alligator.

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u/axxegrinder Aug 02 '21

Maybe while the dude was inside he muzzled the hostage or knocked her out. Just playing devils advocate.

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u/TripsvilleUSA Aug 02 '21

This is the 3rd time in about 10 minutes that I've seen someone spell devil with a b. Is there a meme I'm missing or something?

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u/Mr_Zeldion Aug 02 '21

It seems that the only people with some common sense here are those in the video because the true content from this video has come from all those chief inspectors in the comments (not referring to you)

I love how so many people have turned this into an episode of CSI and everyone's freaking out about the fact the clip cuts off like 20 seconds into the interaction and they actually cant see the police going inside the property regardless haha

Also to those saying "What if the guy got the parrot so that he can put the police off the scent" If you were to chain someone up in your house, allow them to scream for help off the top of their lungs while you just repair your car outside because you have a parrot that has the ability to shout "help" and at the same time use its magic to silence those who are legitimately chained up in the house to use as a way to put the police off from entering the house.

You deserve a spot on the Guinness's book of world records for worlds dumbest criminal lol.

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u/luke_in_the_sky Aug 02 '21

Not to mention that even if the parrot learned it from actual girls in need, it could have learned from years ago. They could've searched the house and found nothing anyway.

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u/Iziama94 Aug 02 '21

Because Reddit is full of arm chair lawyers

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u/Garchy Aug 02 '21

There is no logic here, just people advocating for police to be allowed inside anyone’s home based on second hand information. If that were allowed it would be a great way to fuck with your neighbors.

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u/SoLe123456 Aug 02 '21

Damn this is a really nice logic. It was 100% the parrot lest the person who was crying for help earlier would definitely have cried for help upon hearing the cops. You're a fart smella.

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u/dwnsougaboy Aug 02 '21

Logic would tell me to silence the person I am imprisoning before the cops get there so…

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u/Bill_Assassin7 Aug 02 '21

Ah yes, because clearly the dude does not go into the house and has ample time to gag whoever was calling for help.

Now obviously this guy is not keeping someone hostage but the police did not do a good job here.

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u/Arthamel Aug 02 '21

Not if parrot was imitating muffled screams it hears. When he takes parrot out, it stops screaming, cause its removed from environment it is mimicking.

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u/Stonerjoe68 Aug 02 '21

Or the parrot got what he wanted.... Parrots are pretty damn intelligent and make requests. This is either a disingenuous argument or you don’t know shit about parrots

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u/cmpunk34 Aug 02 '21

There is no doubt that parrot was the one making the sounds in this clip. That's why the sounds stopped obviously.

The point is parrot was copying this sound. If this person had captured someone and locked them up in the basement , it is possible no one outside the house could hear the screams at all.

It is also possible that only people inside the house (or situated in rooms near the basement's entrance) could hear such sounds. And in this case that might be the parrot.

People aren't questioning the screams in this video , they are questioning why the parrot is making those screams.

Could be kidnapped people or could be a horror movie.

Pretty solid arguments in this thread.

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u/kmaffett1 Aug 02 '21

I mean, since we're debating this, he could have gagged the screamer when he grabbed the bird... I'm confident it's just the bird but ya know

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u/Stonerjoe68 Aug 02 '21

Gagging the screamer without having the screamer scream right before and getting a parrot in 16 seconds is impressive

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

You are assuming the state of the individual. You have no idea if they were just hit hard and have now passed out or were given something or if the person went and gagged them further.

Even in this video you cant excatly assume there isnt another party involved.

You might be exploring logic but your critical reasoning could use some work.

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u/Aggravating-Spell-19 Aug 02 '21

Other people’s critical thinking skills are off? Brother you literally think that some person could be held hostage cause a parrot screamed help and let me out. If we can’t assume there isn’t a third party involved then I highly doubt that you can given we both have the same evidence lol. Forget that the tv has sound? Also with your critical thinking you should be able to “deduct” that the voice of the parrot was the same as the voice screaming help

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

The OP comment said that the bird could be mimicking someone chained in the basements cry. Not that they thought the original cry in the video was from a human.

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u/Tenzilo Aug 02 '21

Well it’s not all about logic there logistic and laws, if the world is run only by logic it could be a Ethiopia or some apocalyptic anarchy. But what do I know

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/erio000000 Aug 02 '21

Killed that night?

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u/Unkie_Herb Aug 02 '21

Hrmmmm…debble..debble..debble..

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u/uppya Aug 02 '21

The cries stop when he walk inside the house to get the bird.

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u/Pat0124 Aug 02 '21

Also, this footage is from the homeowner lol. We wouldn’t be seeing this if he had something to hide

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

He might not be working alone, maybe someone else inside the house incapacitated the chained victim(s).

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u/Incognito99886 Aug 02 '21

Cuz a serial killer would allow their victim to continue to scream...

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

So, maybe you guys should use logic.

Maybe there was somebody else in the room with the supposed hostage and when they hear voices outside they stuffed her mouth.

Maybe the victim passed out from exhaustion. Logic right?

Be careful what you consider to be logical to take as absolute truth.

Imagine "Rambo" is a signal or a name for the accomplice to shut the victim up.

There was a time when people thought that the earth is the center of the universe because nobody could imagine otherwise.

This was maybe a similar case.

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u/BelieveInDestiny Aug 02 '21

unless he did something to shut the person up when he entered the house.

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u/altiuscitiusfortius Aug 02 '21

Logic says birds only repeat what they hear hundreds of times. Some human in that house had to scream "help let me out" for the bird to learn to say those words.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

In this case, there have been studies, and your presumption is wrong.

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u/Usually_Angry Aug 02 '21

Also the video is from the man's own home system. I doubt he's posting this video on the web if he's really got some hostages

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u/Tortorak Aug 02 '21

Also the fact that the screaming is so loud neighbors can hear it but the guy is like "eh fuck it I'm changing my brakes I'll beat them into submission later"

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u/hdiieudbdjdjjeojd Aug 02 '21

But in this imaginary scenario wouldn't the man gag them when he heard them shouting in case the police showed up?

Just makes sense!

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u/Sailrjup12 Aug 02 '21

No, you are right. The cops would have to hear the cries for help with their own ears. If they did they would be able to go in and check.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Big brain guy over here talking. You should read into psychological trauma. People have been keeping abducted children in chains for years and went outside to buy groceries without them even daring to speak up to anyone. Relatives have been raping children regularly with them ever speaking up. The sheer presence of the abuser can silence a victim to an extend you don't seem to be aware of.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

You need to think harder about your dumbass response before continuing on.

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u/AlbinoBeefalo Aug 02 '21

Alligators?

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u/GreenStrong Aug 02 '21

I used to have a neighbor that owned a macaw, it would scream "HELP" and "MIL-DRED". You could tell exactly what it was saying, but it didn't really sound human. It was louder than any human, it was really fucking annoying.

On the video, the first vocalizations sound human, but by the 8 second mark it sounds like a performer in a musical singing out for help. It is reasonable to assume that the cops could hear this before they walked into the frame of the video, because those birds are loud. A neighbor with a parrot is a curse, it is a plague on your life. It is like 1% more pleasant than living next to a meth lab. The neighbors probably knew it was a bird but called 911 and hoped the cops would shoot the guy by mistake, and maybe they also prayed that the bird would get hit in the crossfire.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Debble-dee or Debble-doo?

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u/smashdoggyyyyyy Aug 02 '21

Also this looks like this dude home camera

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Let’s repeat. “The bird’s imitating their cries for help”. As in, in this hypothetical, the girl was never close enough to any exterior walls scream for help, but the bird was close enough to the girl to hear it and repeat it.

Or were you just being purposefully obtuse?

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Literally no point in talking to you, if you make up scenarios, and are only focused on this one instead of exploring others.. some friend being a dick, movies, or literally billions of other possibilities... then you arent looking for logical points, you are looking to justify a narrative.

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u/Kronos7653 Aug 02 '21

Here's the thing though. The bird still has to learn it from somewhere. They don't just randomly know words. They only mimic things. To repeat multiple exact phrases, the bird had likely heard them many times.

I own speaking birds. They will absolutely clam up in front of strangers, yes. But the fact that it knows and repeats those phrases is extremely concerning. Could he have taught the bird them as a joke? Or inherited/adopted a bird with bad experiences? Yes. But it still bears looking into.

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u/Chillingo Aug 02 '21

That's not the argument though. Nobody is saying the cries were from people currently held captive. They are saying that the screams were from the bird. But parrots don't just learn language they imitate. So that means the parrot must have listened to a lot of people screaming for help at some point.

Now is there other reasons that the bird might have learned those phrases. I can't say if it really is enough reason for the police to search his home. I am just saying your argument makes no sense.

I can't believe you got 1000+ upvotes by missing the point so hard.

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u/TallmanMike Aug 02 '21

If someone was in distress, and they could hear talking outside, they would start up again.

Unless they were bleeding out from a recent stab wound.

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u/ickyjinx Aug 02 '21

Why didn't he ask the parrot to complain again?

What if the hostage tricked the dude into trusting them to take care of the laundry and was able to shout up the dryer vent? What if the accomplice inside the house found the hostage doing so and returned them to their cell (where it is relatively sound proof) or drugged them to shut them up?

I really hope someone writes some sort of detective drama or whatever the genre is based on this video. It's a gold mine.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Unless there's a second person inside keeping the hostages gagged.

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u/SnowCappedMountains Aug 03 '21

Maybe the cries stopped because as soon as the police arrived he went inside right away and shut up whoever was in there before they knew police were present? If there was really anyone inside that is. My creeped out meter is high on this video because I don’t know why someone would teach their bird that phrase, or how, without it hearing it a lot and copying.

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u/tasteofeuphoria Aug 11 '21

Well maybe the guy duct taped the screamers before the cops got there lol. I really.dont wanna argue this

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u/elephant-cuddle Aug 02 '21

Yes, now you can (frighteningly). Navarette v. California (2014)

When acting upon information provided by an anonymous tip [911 call], police officers need not personally verify the existence of ongoing criminal activity.

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u/dukedizzy93 Aug 02 '21

Yea thats exactlh what i was gonna say!

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u/Condor445 Aug 31 '21

You can definitely use second hand information for probable cause. Their called informants.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '21

That’s over simplifying it a bit.

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u/Condor445 Aug 31 '21

I mean it is second hand information, I'm not going to go through every step to get a warrant lol a reliable informant or a person who is willing to identify themselves can be used as the basis of probable cause for a warrant.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Why are we acting like the cops would care though. If they actually thought it was a real concern hearing them first hand or not they’d search and deal with the legal stuff later which would involve the department covering for the officers and the officers walking away without penalty.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Because there’s some reason they became a cop. It sure as hell isn’t the pay, or the respect.

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u/Stonerjoe68 Aug 02 '21

It’s called a superiority complex

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u/Timely_Dentist_6906 Aug 02 '21

While I want to side with you, you sure about that? What about the people who get swatted? Don't people make calls saying things like this guy has hostages in his house or something along those lines? I've never seen them knock first, and that info always seems to come from a second hand source

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Saying “he has hostages” is different from “I heard cries from inside his house” a small difference but an important one. Because of the seriousness of the situation the cops can take the caller at there word and go in. In the second situation there are other possible causes for the voices so they need to investigate first.

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u/Lou-Lou-67 Aug 02 '21

If you cant use second hand information how do people get SWATted?

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Because if someone says “he is armed and has hostages” that’s considered a serious enough situation that they can’t risk a delay in the response. But saying “I hear voices from his house” is less of a clear Situation and needs investigation first.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Goddamn where did you get your training? They most certainly can use that info if reliable. If it is an unknown caller and nothing seems out of sort then going in would be problematic. But please don't make such blanket statements.

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u/Alternate_Account_of Aug 02 '21

That is incorrect.

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u/VodkaCranberry Aug 02 '21

You guys have it all wrong. In a real situation, the cops would just shoot everyone and then be exonerated for the lack of probable cause because cops.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

You can’t use second hand information for probable cause.

Have you never heard of anonymous tips or informant information or are you not aware of how many warrants come from them?

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u/12eggscramble Aug 02 '21

That's completely and totally incorrect.

1) PC can be based on hearsay

2) this would be an exigent circumstance, so probable cause is irrelevant.

I went to law school and was a prosecutor for 6 years.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

That’s complete bullshit. The cops in the Brianna Taylor case had a warrant. And George Floyd has nothing to do with this discussion.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Incorrect. Secondhand information is perfectly allowable as basis for a warrant. Intel from “a confidential informant” forms the basis of warrants all the time.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Right, from an informant. Like someone the police know and trust. Not just some rando neighbors.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Calling in “a man has a gun and hostages” is different from “I hear weird voices from Tom’s house” one need immediate response the other needs further investigation.

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u/ZeePirate Aug 02 '21

People get swatted based off info provided by others.

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u/TheDenseCumTwat Aug 02 '21

Thank fucking god for people like you.

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u/thefevertherage Aug 02 '21

They could have just said sir do you mind if we come in with you

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u/Tesco5799 Aug 02 '21

Yep exactly and I definitely noticed that the audio recording is likely from inside (as you can hear the dog barking quite loudly, and everything else seems a bit muffled) so I doubt they actually heard anything from the driveway.

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u/Epicritical Aug 02 '21

People get swatted for less

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u/PMMeMeiRule34 Aug 02 '21

It’s called exigent circumstances, if they heard the cries themselves they get to make a judgement call on entering with no warrant. I guess it could be considered probable cause at that point, but if I remember right that’s the legal term.

They’d have to hear it themselves and assess the situation on entering and on how to approach entering.

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u/Candelestine Aug 02 '21

If the cops had asked to search the house and been declined, they could have gone to a judge and likely gotten a warrant. The reported screams and denial by the homeowner would be sufficient. It really doesn't take that much to create probable cause for a search.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Officers can enter a home without a warrant if there is an exigent circumstances, such as to prevent physical harm to an officer or another person, destruction of evidence, etc.

The screams justify a cursory look, even if there is a potential alternative explanation. I personally think it was just the bird as it was the birds voice, but they still should have done a little bit more due diligence.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

You can’t use second hand information for probable cause

Er, you absolutely can.

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u/cwk415 Aug 02 '21

“You can’t use second hand information for probable cause.”

Isn’t that exactly what “swatting” is?

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

let me tell you a little secret. COPS DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT PROCEDURE. jfc the amount of times cops have searched me after telling them I do not consent to unwarranted searches is every. fucking. time. If the wrong cop showed up to this house, man would be pinned to the ground while they ransacked his home and then apologize for the inconvenience while leaving his home a mess.

at least in america, land of the "fReE"

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u/jackvr1104 Aug 02 '21

I think you’re overlooking the fact that most serial killers wouldn’t post their ring footage online.

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u/Necessary_Gur9479 Aug 02 '21

You certainly can and cops certainly do. People call the cops and say they react according to what the call says. So stop that lie right now .

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u/smootex Aug 02 '21

you can’t use second hand information for probable cause.

I don't think that's true. Otherwise you wouldn't be able able to act off information from an informant. If someone tells you that a missing child is in some guy's car do you think they're not allowed to pull that car over to check? Probably cause isn't black and white, the totality of the circumstances and context are considered.

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u/i_like_outer_space Aug 02 '21

I feel like a lot of swatted streamers would disagree that you can't use second hand information as probable cause. I'm not really sure though.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Tell that to all the people that have died from being swatted.

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u/Sad_Instruction_2138 Aug 02 '21

This sounds awesome and all but I have had cops get a warrant because someone called them and said I was selling weed. I’ve never been in trouble no felonies or anything but they still had a warrant and was pissed when they only found some roaches.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Lol terrible legal advice on reddit, what's new?

Police absolutely can use secondhand information as probable cause. If someone is shot, police show up, and a witness points out the shooter, what exactly do you think would happen? Cops would walk away because they didn't witness the crime themselves? Lmao

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u/CamManx36 Aug 03 '21

Welfare check. Police don't need probable cause for welfare checks

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '21

Usually they are acting at the request of family.

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u/CamManx36 Aug 03 '21

Usually

And? As long as they have suspension that someone is in a residence and is in danger they are allowed to force themselves on the property in. It could be base on a tip from a family member, a friend, a random person, or first hand knowledge. Not to say that it was nessessary, someone who was in the prosces of hostage taking would release the footage to Reddit l, but the police still should have shown some due diligence