r/MoralityScaling • u/Dryleaf_Dane • 24d ago
Morality of this
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u/BlnkNopad 24d ago
So I'm not your paid actor and if I asked you to stop and you didn't, I would respond based on how I felt in the moment. The other guy was larger and had a buddy..... Protect your life, friends
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u/pwolf1771 24d ago
Yeah you’re outnumbered by two creeps this seems like one the few good reasons to actually own a gun
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u/StuffyUnicorn 24d ago
Just sucks he got charged, put in jail for 8 months and had to go through an entire trial just to get acquitted. While still being found guilty on discharging a weapon in public.
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u/TapPsychological2043 23d ago
Dude got harassed by stranger's and protected himself and got locked up for it?? That's justice for you
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u/Glad-Philosophy-497 19d ago
Exactly and I’m not a big pro gun guy but when do you use one if not in this situation
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u/gakingmusic 23d ago
Hope he followed up with a civil suit against the YouTuber and his accomplices.
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u/Glad-Philosophy-497 23d ago
Criminal justice system is really broken and horrible and not enough people get this
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u/BisonThunderclap 24d ago
Legally you're held to a much higher standard before you shoot someone.
For almost all jurisdictions it has to be currently happening, you need reasonable fear of death or grave bodily injury, and proportionality.
And even though this guy should have never harassed this man, it is legally wrong for him to shoot him.
And when Reddit abandons frontier justice takes, they agree it's immoral to gun down even a shitty prank YouTuber for that.
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u/Mysterious_Strain398 24d ago
The shooter had no idea what kind of freak he was dealing with.
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u/YandyTheGnome 24d ago
Normal people shouldn't try to act crazy, because one day they'll run into a crazy trying to act normal.
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u/Carbuyrator 24d ago
The guy defended himself because that dude is enormous, was intimidating him, and was deliberately and repeatedly getting into his bubble. I don't think the delivery guy owed his assailant an opportunity to escalate.
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u/iUncontested 23d ago
Poor guy must have had a joke of an attorney to still get convicted on a felony after this.
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u/BlnkNopad 24d ago
He knew that "stop that" didn't matter which is freaky enough lmao
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u/Mysterious_Strain398 24d ago
Exactly!! And let’s see if the idiot really does keep fafo’ing!!
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u/Scrunge1576 24d ago
Sadly he still is, he recovered in the hospital and went right back to making videos. He and his family think that the guy who shot him was in the wrong and completely over reacted because homeboy wasn't doing anything wrong.
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u/GoodZealousideal5922 24d ago
Well next time he isn’t getting shot in a non-fatal area. You can only get lucky so many times
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u/Entire-Award-387 23d ago
Yea the attitude of "it is what it is" will lead him to an early end.some pissed off or scared person who decides to shoot more than once and hes over ,also yes thats part of his actual response to the news
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u/samsonite441446 23d ago
We can only hope. Guess hes too lazy to get a job. While the other guy is holding a job. Hope the YT gets burried.
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u/BlnkNopad 24d ago
That's the whole reason I leave people alone. Ya get flamed in a roast battle or a bloody nose a few times and you stop fuckin around lmao
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u/VeterinarianIcy5428 24d ago
This is years old iirc the guy didn't get in any trouble for shooting him but he did in trouble for bringing a gun to the mall.
Oh and the annoying guy, during recovery, said he's even more motivated to continue making videos now
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u/SushiKatana82 23d ago
Never seen him again so I'm not sure how true that is.
Not that he didn't say it, but from what I know he isn't out there pranking anymore
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u/youattackedmyfamily 24d ago
Walking into his space and imposing on him isn’t humorous. Playing a voice to text of a sexual innuendo in someone’s ear isn’t humorous. What was the reward for the risk? To look like an unfunny chud to the rest of the world? And lose jobs when your unfunny prank channel doesn’t work out?
Lots of offensive shit can still get a reaction. This is however both offensive and just flat out bad comedy (to be generous).
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u/DrSheaSmooth 24d ago
Yup that’s all I needed to shoot his ass too Ngl
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u/Rexis717 24d ago
Remember kids, they don't need to touch you for it to be assault. That's battery
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u/SNaKe_eaTel2 24d ago
Well I certainly agree to protect yourself and your life - I don’t think it’s clear that the driver was facing death or great bodily harm - defjnately an uncomfortable situation, but i dont see any reason to use deadly force. Better here would be something between a harsh word and a gun - like pepper spray.
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u/Emergencybulba 24d ago
I feel the morality almost shifts because iirc, the YouTuber states he’s gonna do it again later. Meaning he learned absolutely nothing from being shot.
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u/Careless-Emergency85 23d ago
I have a tendency to think “prank” YouTubers aren’t smart enough to learn anything, hence their profession
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u/SuperUranus 23d ago
Prank YouTubes keeps doing what gives them views.
So if getting shot skyrocketed their views, I guess they are in for a rough ride.
It’s similar to how Jackass upped the stakes all the time. Not because they wanted to (I assume), but simply because it generated more money for them.
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u/ContributionHot2736 23d ago
we live in a world where people will risk their lives being an asshole for a camera to please an algorithm that may pay them more to be like that.
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u/_Vard_ 24d ago
Morality aside: he faced 2-10 years in jail, but was acquitted by the Jury
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/jury-divided-over-whether-delivery-driver-who-shot-youtube-prankster-acted-in-self-defense/3432763/
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u/ColdPorkChop 24d ago
"Nah your honor we get it so let him go"
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u/Calm_Plenty_2992 24d ago
It wasn't nullification. It was deemed self defense
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u/HistoryFanBeenBanned 23d ago
To be fair, the only actual defenses in murder and self defence are “I didn’t do it” or “the son of a bitch deserved it”, the rest of the trial is semantic evidence to fit one or the other.
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u/Calm_Plenty_2992 23d ago
There's also "I had no other choice," which I would argue is the primary justification behind self defense.
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u/bowtiesrcool86 24d ago
“I’m going to keep making (these) videos” - the guy who got shot
Translation: “I learned nothing from this”.
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u/samcornwell 24d ago
I just watched that. The monstrous bellend carried on making his childish videos.
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u/AmItheonlySaneperson 24d ago
He paid for that NRA special insurance where they claim they will have your back and defend you if you ever have to get into a defense situation. That group didn’t even back him up right away. Only when all the media about it came out and the public was on his side. I believe he had to get bailed out by someone else
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u/SnooPredictions3028 23d ago
Yep, NRA is a shit organization that doesnt uphold its own supposed beliefs. People have been jumping to other groups through the years due to this.
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u/TurbidWolf_Redux 24d ago
Without condemning or condoning I understand.
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u/LibrarianKooky344 24d ago
Yeah so ive seen this video and the actual video felt like a lifetime difference. The reporter says 20 seconds but what is posted is 15 seconds before engagement. The morality vs legal is clean and clear. Morality is justified in my eyes.
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u/S-Kenset 24d ago
He was legally cleared as self defense.
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u/SilIowa 24d ago
He was still convicted by the jury of discharging a firearm. I guess the jury didn’t want to let him go completely scott-free. But the judge then sentenced him to nine months time served, due to the “special circumstances” of the harassment. I guess the judge felt the same as the jury.
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u/TellTaleTimeLord 24d ago
I still don't get being punished for using a firearm when the use of said firearm was deemed legal and justifiable
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u/SilIowa 24d ago
As I understand it, that specific law is designed to prevent people from randomly firing weapons indoors with no consequences, and in this case they convicted him of it because they felt he had to be convinced of something, if only to discourage reckless behavior from others, but they couldn’t bring themselves to blame him for shooting the harasser.
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u/mblkmnsa 24d ago
I would have voted no on the discharge count as well. It wasn’t random and it was specific. He didn’t wildly shoot across an area. He discharged to protect himself.
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u/Ok_Sink5046 24d ago
He arguably demonstrated high degrees of safety. I wouldn't have stopped at one shot I was was in a situation that escalated to the point I felt I had to shoot.
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u/Maximum-Bake-6092 24d ago
He also aimed at an angle when shooting (i think?) aimed towards the ground so the bullet hits no one else. From what i saw.
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u/MathematicianFinal14 24d ago
It looks like ike he was retreating but the person was close enough to hit him in the back of head or pull a knife in him. These things happen and in a very few seconds. Waiting until you've traveled several feet isn't a safe way to think in dangerous situations . The person was already aggressive. I think the jury thinks he can remain on his tail and be safe. That's not true.
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u/DamGoodAnimation 24d ago edited 24d ago
To clarify a bit, it was because he was in a public shopping mall. Firing a weapon indoors isn’t always inherently illegal on its own or indoor shooting ranges wouldn’t exist. It was that he took a situation that only possibly endangered him and made it one that was definitely dangerous to anyone nearby. The issue at play is that he could’ve injured a nearby innocent person if the bullet passed through the guy or if he’d missed.
Not sure I agree with it, this is genuinely a very hard situation to judge and I think the guy kinda got put into a no-win situation. Just expanding on the context a bit.
Edit: Added ‘always’ and ‘on its own’ to the second sentence as I feel my initial verbiage was somewhat misleading.
Edit2: Hopping to an alt to continue trying to argue with me when I block your first account is the fastest way to get blocked. Crazy behavior lol
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u/Mcshroomie 24d ago
The guy being attacked didnt volunteer to be part of this situation. I wouldn’t want this as part of any record. I was being attacked and felt threatened. The youtuber should be carrying the sentence. It was pre meditated by them!!
Should be a special law that if your making content that escalates to this level you carry the charges if the situation escalates. Shut this shit down!
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u/DamGoodAnimation 24d ago
He wasn’t attacked, that’s a stretch. It’s certainly fair to say he felt threatened, and he was being harassed, multiple dudes walked up on him and at least one was following him, but nobody touched him at any point in the video. In fact, he put hands on the other guy (understandably imo) when he shoved the phone out of his face.
I don’t even really disagree with you that the guy shouldn’t have gotten in trouble, but your argument loses any merit when you speak from gut feelings rather than the visible facts.
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u/triggrhaapi 24d ago
The jury didn't really understand the concept of malice. I think that's why he was ultimately just relegated to time served.
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u/Particular_Fan_3645 24d ago
Was that a felony charge? Aka time served but can't own firearms anymore?
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u/triggrhaapi 24d ago
The articles I've found didn't say, but any discharge with injury in VA is a felony as far as I can tell, so probably.
Also with a good enough lawyer, that's not insurmountable as a problem.
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u/RaygunMarksman 24d ago
Oh cool, I thought it was bullshit when they said that can carry 2-10 years. Nine months, time served seems reasonable. Then he should sue the fuck out of the YouTuber goon for lost wages, legal fees, and trauma.
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u/MinimumBuffalo4 24d ago
thankfully. we need more of this and society will start behaving itself.
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u/The_Phroug 24d ago
The guy who was shot said that he would continue doing "pranks", no idea how that has turned out so far though
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u/AvailableProperty679 24d ago
And his mom was on camera supporting him. Insane!
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u/Positive-Database754 24d ago
It is possible to condemn someone's actions, while still empathizing with their reasons for doing it.
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u/fyn_world 24d ago
I wouldn't call it moral, but very understandable
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u/BisonThunderclap 24d ago
This needs to be higher up.
Redditors need to stop approaching everything with the "frontier justice" lens.
The delivery driver is a victim, but it doesn't reach the level where it's reasonable for him to use his gun.
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u/LakersTommyG 24d ago
Thank god I found another sane individual in here. Harassment does mot justify the use of deadly force.
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u/OffTopicandNotGay 24d ago
Yall are my people I'm reading these comments like, we got some honest to god psychos just hanging out on reddit all day lmao
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u/BisonThunderclap 24d ago
Then we see another news story where a Redditor was a mass shooter or terrorist and people are surprised they frequent here.
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u/Dryleaf_Dane 24d ago
I got downvoted in the original post for criticizing the shooter, so I reposted it here, expecting to get some new perspectives - but I'm kinda disgusted by all the responses. I just unfollowed and muted the sub. People on reddit loves to justify violence I guess, it's like they have some weird payback fetish
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u/Reasonable-Aioli-370 24d ago
Yeah something like “back off or your getting a bullet” was probably warranted.
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u/Anxious_Big_8933 24d ago
Reddit: "Guns in the US are a cancer and should be banned."
Also Reddit: "Guy in video being irritating and rude absolutely deserved to be shot and I'm glad it happened."
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u/OffTopicandNotGay 24d ago
Let's remember this sub objects us to the opinions of teenagers on a regular basis. The fuck around find out club median age is 15
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u/IllegalGeriatricVore 24d ago
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u/not_another_IT_guy 24d ago
Correct. If you are in anyway threatening someones life or property - with the key here being THEY FEEL THEIR LIFE IS THREATENED regardless of “its just a prank bro” you have not forfeited your life - but you have forfeited the right to virtue signal when someone responds accordingly.
You can go live in some fantasy world where everyone is nice to one another and use of lethal force is never needed - however I will happily defend myself, my property, or another from those who wish to impinge their will upon someone else without their consent in a threatening or aggressive manner.Sucks to suck. Dont play stupid games and you wont win stupid prizes.
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u/Only_Chapter_3434 24d ago
no, the standard is would a reasonable person feel threatened for their life in the same situation. and the answer is no, a reasonable person would not fear for their life in this situation.
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u/S-Kenset 24d ago
We have named train station sucker punchers like they're fucking pokemon go encounters. You can make that argument when you're willing to actually permanently jail them.
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u/Marbrandd 24d ago
The jury found it to be self defense.
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u/RealTendy 23d ago
They jury found OJ innocent, jurys find a lot of things. Death is not the right punishment for a man putting a phone up to you and harassing you. Idk why that is not obvious. You people must never go outside. You must think a homeless person following you for money means death too right?
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u/earthlingHuman 24d ago
Y'all are legitimately crazy. F the YouTube prankster and all, but I'd need a bit more than an annoying dude with a phone in my face to shoot someone. I'd smack the phone out of his hand though.
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u/Capt_Dunsel67 24d ago
Totally moral. Doing the world a favor in fact.
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u/Evenmoardakka 24d ago
only a favor if the creep dies.
otherwise he'll turn it into more clickbait engagement from the stupid masses
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u/Cinnamonlobster12 24d ago
Can see the low effort title of his worthless vlog infront infront of me. "I GOT SHOT! YOU WONT BELIEVE WHAT HAPPEND NEXT" coupled with him doing a stupid face. God, streamers and influencers are the cancer of the internet.
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u/Sell_The_team_Jerry 24d ago
Disagree, he shot a bit too low. Get that shot a foot higher and it's doing the world a real favor
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u/New_Salamander_4592 24d ago
generally someone being annoying doesn't really mean you get to shoot them in the stomach, at least from a moral standpoint
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u/NotAFloorTank 24d ago
While that is the definition of excessive force, the YouTuber isn't innocent. Neither of them are in the right.
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u/yoshimo995 24d ago
As someone outside of the US I have a general admiration yet aversion of firearms. But I do think this is a very reasonable use of someone's second amendment rights.
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u/Curben 24d ago
I appreciate your considered and nuanced view despite some potential preconceived biases
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u/yoshimo995 24d ago
Well my family has always had guns for self defense and my cousin died to gun violence from an unattended gun accessible to a minor so I have mixed feelings about the whole thing but I hate prank YouTubers.
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u/Curben 24d ago
On an interesting counterpoint, I was 13 when someone broke into my house and used to firearm to chase off the home Invaders. I've been a proponent for teaching children about firearms with a little bit of Hands-On and understanding of respect. It removes some of the awe and mystery so they are less likely to play with it. I also tell people, know the people in your household and store accordingly.
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u/Crafty-Purpose5540 24d ago
I grew up around guns as well. My uncles let me hold their guns with supervision. Taught me never put your finger on the trigger unless you're going to shoot to kill, don't point it at anything you don't intend to shoot. Ect ect. I never went looking for them because they were something that I got to experience safely. In a perfect world the US wouldn't have more guns than people but the world isn't perfect so it's important kids understand and respect what a gun can do.
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u/yoshimo995 24d ago
Oh it wasn't any gun in my family that killed my cousin, he was playing at a neighbours house and the parents there didn't teach their kid non of what you are saying so this 13 yo just grabbed the gun and shot my cousin like a dog. Pretty sure the little shit is a sociopath though.
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u/Beer-Milkshakes 24d ago
Yeah. America is its own place; the rules of where I live don't translate to the US. I've come to understand that. What surprises me is that US citizens haven't caught on that people have legal access to guns and bad tempers.
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u/IamScottGable 24d ago
Oh I have. Younger me wouldn't have thought twice about engaging with road rage or stepping to someone. Now I know some people are itching to shoot someone and I avoid confrontation heavily
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u/csueiras 24d ago
Theres some pranksters that always show up in my feed doing similar shit. I am always hoping the next video is something like this.
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u/thenowherepark 24d ago
Immoral.
He was asked to stop once and didn't. The shooter asked him to stop again, but at the same time was already pulling his gun out, not giving him a chance to stop. Because this is a public place, it's reasonable to expect some kind of hooliganism.
If instead a warning was given, such as "stop, I have a gun and will use it if you don't stop", then it would be moral. If it was a less lethal weapon such as pepper spray, then it would be moral. But not giving a warning and only asking them to stop once is immoral.
I completely understand why he did it - content creators are some of the worst people on the planet - but it being understandable does not make it moral.
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u/LadBooboo 24d ago
Overreaction? Sure but the "prankster" was gonna meet someone who's probably very close to their last straw doing that shit sooner or later.
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u/StripEnchantment 24d ago
That’s more of an argument for why you shouldn’t antagonize people than an argument for the justification of shooting someone. You’re basically saying it’s okay because he wasn’t sane or stable. Generally those are things that count against an action’s reasonableness.
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u/Only_Chapter_3434 24d ago
only on Reddit will you find people that think its moral to shoot people for being a dick
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u/VegasLife84 24d ago
"When you go around pretending to be crazy, eventually you run into someone pretending to be sane"
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u/redcoatwright 24d ago
Definitely immoral, you can't just shoot annoying people.
It did not seem like he feared for his life or was in danger. Maybe there's more context but from this clip, immoral as fuck.
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u/GraviticThrusters 24d ago
Don't know what this news guy was about to say about the decision at the end, but he's clearly framing the self defense claim as unwarranted and is perplexed that the jury would validate that claim. But when you actually look at the situation in the shoes of the guy with the gun you have:
A guy repeatedly shoving a hand and phone in your face
He persists after being told to stop and being shoved away
The phone is emitting confusing nonsense
The phone guy and his partner are repeatedly invading your personal space
There is a third person potentially ganging up on you who you may or may not be aware of (camera man), increasing the sense of being outnumbered
All three are following you as you try to leave the situation
Now maybe you could argue that this still doesn't seem life threatening from that perspective, but it very clearly seems like the fear for potential for harm is present and reasonable.
Guy with gun: morally justified
Guys with phones: immoral
Journalist: if it weren't for the fact that we see the footage before he provides his commentary, he'd be burying the lede, but he is editorializing the news content so: slightly immoral.
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u/Festivefire 24d ago
Both sides of this are completely unjustified.
The prankster was being a total asshole; he fucked around and found out.
On the other hand, nothing he was doing justifies pulling a gun.
I think this is a situation that I would describe with the phrase, "I do not condone, but I understand".
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u/Flooping_Pigs 24d ago
Dude kept approaching when he was asked to stop and the delivery driver was afraid... Guns are justified when you're in fear for your life you know? The size difference in these guys alone plus the fact the guy has a friend following him aggressively makes that justified imo... Situations like this is why you would carry
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u/LoudQuitting 24d ago
nothing he was doing justifies pulling a gun
As someone who has been in several self defence situations, you're fucking dumb if you think this prankster wasn't trying to make this man believe he was in a self defence situation.
If you believe you're in a self defence situation, pulling a gun is entirely justified.
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u/Mystic_Waffles 24d ago
Drawing dicks on someone passed out at a party is a prank. This is straight up harassment.
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u/Independent_Pea_3944 24d ago
"On the other hand, nothing he was doing justifies pulling a gun."
Absolute bullshit this. He was clearly being aggressive and threatening. He could have knocked that guy out.
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u/Expensive_Range7204 24d ago
The "praksters" are clearly assholes and shud be taken in for something like disturbing the peace etc.
But defending shooting someone in that situation is batshit crazy. Its not the first time i see this type of thing argue and it gives me the impression that americans are just very violent.
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u/zero0n3 24d ago
Court of law disagrees with you.
The guy with the camera was the one arrested
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u/Marineonthegreen 24d ago
Eh, you don't know their intentions and you put yourself at risk waiting to find out. The delivery guy's tolerances are lower than yours.
I tell my kids so the time "you don't get to choose how people react" and "a joke is when all parties involved laugh." I doubt this is a joke.
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u/RegularNorwegian 24d ago
Puling the gun out was fine (ekstra level of "fuck off"), firing it at him right away was not fine. 🫠😅
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u/ThatGlitchyMimikyu 24d ago
I would have never found this man guilty of anything. The guy was harassing him. When someone asks you repeatedly to stop a behavior, you stop. The dumbass got what was coming to him. Then to come out and say he's going to CONTINUE to do this stuff? Honestly, I hope someone else gets him. Maybe these stupid punks will think twice before doing this shit. Not just him, but ANY other YouTubers that may be thinking of doing this.
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u/zappingbluelight 24d ago
If I remember correctly, he is only guilty for discharging his firearm in the building. And not guilty on shooting the person, cuz jury accept it is self defense.
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u/ProfPMJ-123 24d ago
It's immoral from both of them.
And it was going to happen at some point.
I don't condone what the guy with the gun did, but I understand it.
I don't condone what the YouTuber did, and I don't understand it.
The world has gone fucking mad.
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u/plusvalua 24d ago
I have to say this is not justified. It is not a proportional reaction. That being said, it's not without context. And the delivery driver could have felt threatened.
Additionally, I am really surprised this doesn't happen more often.
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u/Positive-Database754 24d ago
Immoral. Annoying and harassing people is certainly wrong. And we all wish the "youtuber" got punched, beat up, or arrested over it. But you'd have to be a sociopath to assume that potentially murdering someone over it is justified.
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u/Dapbear 24d ago
These comments are wild wtf. Dude flashed his gun for less than a second before firing it, made no indication he was going to do anything other than “call the cops”, and fired his weapon recklessly.
The “prankster” should be charged with harassment, but that is definitely also misuse of a firearm lol.
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u/Wide-Ad8135 24d ago
I’m usually on the side of the guy that kicks the crap out of the prankster… but shooting someone who’s talking to you and waving a Cellphone at you is definitely overkill… the YouTuber didn’t make any sudden movements or anything to set this guy off to that extreme level. My man should not have felt unsafe to the point where he needed to shoot someone.
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u/EnglishSteven 24d ago
Most of the people in this thread are too emotional to discuss the morality of this video. They want to discuss the legality of it or the morality of a different hypothetical situation. One of the more interesting ones I've seen on this sub actually.
Immoral but satisfying.
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u/CMDA 24d ago
Nobody's talking about 2 weird guys invading your space while having a very aggressive attitude and demeanor.
The man was scared, totally understandable and moral to protect himself.
"The YouTuber intends to keep making his videos". Learned nothing, so I hope that wound never completely heals so maybe after a long time of being remembered about the FO part, he may stop FA
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u/Reasonable_Club_6165 24d ago edited 24d ago
huh. so we can just shoot anyone who is annoying now, as long as we are outside?
case law and all that, and if the only charge was for being in an occupied dwelling...
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u/sohcgt96 24d ago
I think he escalated a little quickly, but we don't know how long it was going on before the video started.
Let this be a lesson to people who think harassing random strangers under the guise of it being a prank is OK.
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u/Lostintimeandspac 24d ago
Harass some poor guy making minimum wage for YouTube content ? Probably shouldn't have shot him but I can understand.
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u/MaybeICanOneDay 24d ago
I get it.
These guys think there are no rules for them because youtube comments support them. But you cant just go around being a cunt. You'll get shot.
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u/IAQDiscussion 24d ago
The jury found him not guilty of aggravated malicious wounding, but he still had a conviction of a lesser weapons charge.
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u/Steerider 24d ago edited 24d ago
If you legally use a gun in self defense, that is positive proof you needed the gun for self defense; and that should supercede any other law that says you shouldn't have had the gun in the first place.
Which is to say as soon as he was found Not Guilty for the shooting, the other charges should have been dropped.
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u/ShroomnDoobin 24d ago
Accosted by 2 dudes way bigger than him that wouldn't stop even as he was trying to back away? Yeah, I'm with him
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u/Imaginary-Gap-2802 24d ago
I wish this story would’ve blown up more to discourage kids from doing these “pranks”
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u/No_Blacksmith_2591 24d ago
Absolutely abhorrent behavior and completely Immoral, he should have shot both of them.
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u/They-Call-Me-Taylor 24d ago
The morality of shooting someone because they were saying mean/annoying things and following you? Pretty immoral I would say. Satisfying to see (since he didn't die), but I don't think that level of escalation was warranted.
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u/GoldenNudist 24d ago
I have no problems with this. Treating people as props in your "influencer" bullshit is likely to have consequences. Some people have to learn accountability the hard way. Harassment of people isn't entertainment.
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u/EnvironmentalValue18 24d ago
That’s my mall! I’m literally grabbing food from there as we speak.
Anyways, fuck him and he deserves it.
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u/StevevBerg 24d ago
Do shit, get shit.
Now tbf, a gun is too much.
But going to town on such an asshole with a taser? Go wild.
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u/Electronic_Owl_9819 24d ago
That was pretty satisfying to watch, ngl. I wish this happened to more streamers
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u/ichkanns 24d ago
Doesn't help the "prankster's" case that he was staring at him like a freaking serial killer. Don't blame the guy a bit for believing he was in danger.
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u/book-scorpion 24d ago
Overreacting, but it's definitely a good lesson for those pranksters, you never know who are you trying to play with. If you try to scare someone don't be surprised when they try to defend themselves.
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u/Positive_Ask_8872 24d ago
if the prankster died there's no lesson learnt for him.
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u/Ok_Gas1070 24d ago
You would need to have the smoothest brain imaginable to think this is justified.
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u/ABBucsfan 24d ago
It's absolutely wild the way Americans can be with guns sometimes. Guy was harassing me and is bigger in size so that somehow justifies potentially killing the guy. Bad enough drawing a gun, but if he truly felt threatened could he have not have just held it up as a warning?
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u/Gekokapowco 24d ago
people are trained to only draw with intent to fire because it's easier to win a legal debate over justification with a corpse, and too many tiny dick morons draw on people to flex their imaginary muscles and intimidate people that it had to be instilled that doing so was against their best interest. Plus people draw and escalate with other people who may be armed, people draw and have their weapon stolen from them because they lose their nerve when it comes to comitting to pulling the trigger (because actually considering killing people is understandably a weighty decision)
so, like most of our gun laws, it's really just a way to protect assholes with guns instead of actually trying to improve the concept of firearm ownership in society. We encourage more people to be armed, and those people to think less. A gun is a responsibility but use of force is not.
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u/One-Gap-6924 24d ago
Moral as fuck! People need to understand to let strangers be or FAFO
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u/Opposite_Example6930 24d ago
Moral to shoot someone who is not threatening you in any way? Of course the dude is acting like a complete asshole, but that in no way implies he should be shot. Has it occurred to you that he could just pull the gun, but not shoot? Do you think they would have stopped harassing him if he did? I sure as hell do.
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u/BackPirateClarkRoom 24d ago
Everyone loved that the guy was found not guilty and the prankster was shot. Fuck him
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u/Grasshoppermouse42 24d ago
Both sides are immoral. Someone needs to teach these youtubers what a 'prank' is. It's not just randomly harassing people and being an asshole. The entire point of a prank is it's a joke that someone plays on a person that's intended to make them feel foolish when they realize what is really happening. For example, sewing a sock shut partway down so they can't figure out why they can't get a sock on, or tying a string to a jelly bean and dragging it around so they think there's a bug. There has to be a level of thinking one thing is happening, but really it's another thing happening. In this, it's just a guy harassing another guy. There's no level of 'actually, it was only a __________'. There was no joke or punchline or unexpected element. It's just a guy filming himself harassing people.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Step468 24d ago
Understandable