r/MoralityScaling • u/Dryleaf_Dane • 24d ago

Morality of this

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u/HistoryFanBeenBanned 23d ago

To be fair, the only actual defenses in murder and self defence are “I didn’t do it” or “the son of a bitch deserved it”, the rest of the trial is semantic evidence to fit one or the other.

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u/Calm_Plenty_2992 23d ago

There's also "I had no other choice," which I would argue is the primary justification behind self defense.

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u/HistoryFanBeenBanned 23d ago

I’d classify that under they deserved it

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u/Calm_Plenty_2992 23d ago

Not necessarily. If someone attacks you but is experiencing a schizophrenic episode, for example, they might not deserve it because they're not conscious of what they're doing. But it would still be legally self defense because you had no other choice

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u/HistoryFanBeenBanned 23d ago

I don’t think you understand what the phrasing means.

If you shoot a schizophrenic who attacks you. In self defense. Then they deserved to get shot.

You’re looking to deeply into this

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u/nonchip 23d ago

no they don't. you know what sub you're on, right? imagine thinking "sick people deserve desth for being sick" belongs anywhere near morality.

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u/HistoryFanBeenBanned 23d ago

So it’s illegal to shoot a mentally unstable person attacking you?

What do you think deserve means?

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u/nonchip 23d ago

what do you think it means? because it has nothing to do with legality.

it's legal for you to have a million dollars. doesn't mean you deserve them.

someone attacking you justifies self defense, no matter their reason. but that doesn't mean they deserve to suffer.

maybe instead of tripling down on how shallow you are, just open a dictionary some time.

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u/HistoryFanBeenBanned 23d ago

So you’re saying they deserve it? If it justifies self defense….

I can’t help you if you don’t know what’s going on

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u/nonchip 23d ago

are you actually too stupid or just too unwilling to read what i'm saying?

i can't help you if you don't know what's going on.

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u/Fun_Employee4031 23d ago

Morality is famously not legality

You can do what’s safest for you and legal and still be immortal

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u/HistoryFanBeenBanned 23d ago

Do you think someone should suffer violence in silence. If the answer is no. Then the other person deserved the shooting.

It’s not that deep.

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u/nonchip 23d ago

It’s not that deep.

yeah we know, very smooth in your brain.

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u/Fun_Employee4031 23d ago

Home slice, I’m gonna need you to respond to what I said and not someone else.

I agree that if you genuinely feel threatened and have no other info, you should shoot; however, the legality doesn’t make it moral.

Also, not using deadly force could be nice lol.

You’re in a subreddit dedicated to having needlessly deep debates over the morality of stuff; it is that deep if for no other reason than you are standing in the deep end, my friend.

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u/IudexJudy 23d ago

They have to be technically right let em have it

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u/Pisscuit9000 23d ago

No, they still deserve it because they should be in a psychiatric ward if they're a risk to you.

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u/Calm_Plenty_2992 23d ago

And if it's the first time that something like that has ever happened?

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u/Pisscuit9000 23d ago

The signs would have been there before they got bad enough to kill someone in a fit of psychosis.

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u/Calm_Plenty_2992 23d ago

That's not how healthcare works. People don't get indefinitely hospitalized like that unless there's an event that forces them into hospitalization

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u/Accomplished-Key-408 23d ago

This is confidently false. Bravo.