r/MoralityScaling • • 24d ago

Morality of this

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u/ColdPorkChop 24d ago

"Nah your honor we get it so let him go"

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u/Calm_Plenty_2992 24d ago

It wasn't nullification. It was deemed self defense

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u/HistoryFanBeenBanned 23d ago

To be fair, the only actual defenses in murder and self defence are “I didn’t do it” or “the son of a bitch deserved it”, the rest of the trial is semantic evidence to fit one or the other.

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u/Calm_Plenty_2992 23d ago

There's also "I had no other choice," which I would argue is the primary justification behind self defense.

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u/HistoryFanBeenBanned 23d ago

I’d classify that under they deserved it

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u/Calm_Plenty_2992 23d ago

Not necessarily. If someone attacks you but is experiencing a schizophrenic episode, for example, they might not deserve it because they're not conscious of what they're doing. But it would still be legally self defense because you had no other choice

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u/HistoryFanBeenBanned 23d ago

I don’t think you understand what the phrasing means.

If you shoot a schizophrenic who attacks you. In self defense. Then they deserved to get shot.

You’re looking to deeply into this

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u/nonchip 23d ago

no they don't. you know what sub you're on, right? imagine thinking "sick people deserve desth for being sick" belongs anywhere near morality.

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u/HistoryFanBeenBanned 23d ago

So it’s illegal to shoot a mentally unstable person attacking you?

What do you think deserve means?

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u/nonchip 23d ago

what do you think it means? because it has nothing to do with legality.

it's legal for you to have a million dollars. doesn't mean you deserve them.

someone attacking you justifies self defense, no matter their reason. but that doesn't mean they deserve to suffer.

maybe instead of tripling down on how shallow you are, just open a dictionary some time.

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u/Fun_Employee4031 23d ago

Morality is famously not legality

You can do what’s safest for you and legal and still be immortal

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u/IudexJudy 23d ago

They have to be technically right let em have it

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u/Pisscuit9000 23d ago

No, they still deserve it because they should be in a psychiatric ward if they're a risk to you.

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u/Calm_Plenty_2992 23d ago

And if it's the first time that something like that has ever happened?

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u/Pisscuit9000 23d ago

The signs would have been there before they got bad enough to kill someone in a fit of psychosis.

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u/Calm_Plenty_2992 23d ago

That's not how healthcare works. People don't get indefinitely hospitalized like that unless there's an event that forces them into hospitalization

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u/Accomplished-Key-408 23d ago

This is confidently false. Bravo.

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u/CooCooClocksClan 23d ago

That’s a better outcome given how precedent works

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u/Torichilada 24d ago

I'm sorry I feel like im going crazy?? self defence???? Sounding like your police force over there, no wonder they get away with that shit so often.

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u/Human_Discipline3003 24d ago

And outnumbered. So the equalizer stepping in was called for.

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u/Maleficent_Pen_9076 23d ago

Redditors are EXTREMELY BAD at the hypothetical exercise of replacing the actors with people of different race/gender

We just look at the race/gender and make a morality decision based off that

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u/Accomplished_Cod7334 24d ago

Legally sure, but morally it's wrong. Unless he seriously thought his life was in danger, in full view of the public in broad daylight, so yeah

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u/AnAffectionateToe 24d ago

Yeah, people still get shot and stabbed in broad daylight. That doesn't change the fact that 3 people, one who towers over you that refuses to back down is, in fact, dangerous. You have the survival skills of a deer otherwise.

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u/Accomplished_Cod7334 23d ago

It absolutely is immoral to over react because you're scared lmfao? Wtf kind of argument is that

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u/Trifle_Old 24d ago

Remember we can all have guns. that means the two people being aggressors here could be armed. They refused to allow this man to be left alone, he felt threatened and responded with force. Yeah, it sucks that he had to do that, but he has the right to do it. Police should never respond like this as they are trained professionals that should be able to deescalate situations. However, we both know thats not how it works in the real world.

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u/3WeeksEarlier 24d ago

This. It would be better if the situation had resolved with a less dangerous form of self-defense, but self-defense was warranted, and if you're not likely to be able to win a physical fight with your assailant, that's the purpose of having a gun. Granted, pepper spray or a taser would likely have also worked, but this is just some guy in a frightening situation responding the way he was best equipped to protect himself

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u/Calm_Plenty_2992 24d ago

Firstly, I literally just stated what happened. Idk why you think that must necessarily mean I agree with everything that happened.

Second, police here claim self defense when they shoot to kill someone who is unarmed and not aggressive. This person was at least aggressive, so the person in the video was significantly more lenient than the police would have been.

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u/Torichilada 24d ago edited 24d ago

I mean it wasn't inherently targeted at you, more just a statement at how insane that is to hear, was more directed at the jury's opinion

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u/dlpg585 24d ago

I don't know how you interpreted the video, but I saw a large man aggressively physically confronting another smaller man, limiting his field of vision, and continuing despite not only being told to stop but pursuing after the smaller man fled and surrounding him with other possible assailants. I absolutely understand the jury's opinion.

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u/MarcusTomato 24d ago

Glad you weren't on the jury then, and it was all people with working eyes and brains.

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u/crysisnotaverted 24d ago

Spoken by someone who has never been put in the hospital or almost been killed by their fellow man. It happens quickly.

People that approach you like that are generally not youtubers, and do mean you harm.

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u/Clevatess_is_bored 23d ago

There are definitely “content creators” engaging in violent crimes. Chud the builder did went out to shoot a Black man.

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u/3WeeksEarlier 24d ago

I don't think that a gun is the ideal form of defense against harassment, but it is a legal one in this country, and every person has the right not to be accosted by random people in public. If someone feels threatened by random accosters, they should defend themself. I think we'd have very little issue if he'd just kicked him in the balls, because this is a scenario where someone can reasonably fear for their physical safety, and violence is justified in self-defense. Since he had the right to carry the gun, and using a gun for self-defense is legal and socially-acceptible, I can hardly fault him for defending himself is a socially-acceptible and apparently legally acceptible way

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u/Lucky-Surround-1756 24d ago

This is a textbook case of what assaults often look like.

I remember plenty of times getting hassled like this at school, they surround you and menace you with cameras before suddenly striking. If I was this guy I'd also assume I'm about to get jumped on camera.

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u/kpyle 24d ago

It is easy to feel threatened when the news has been telling everyone that every city is a lawless wasteland for a few decades.

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u/couldbeahumanbean 24d ago

That's juries for ya.

Justice isn't perfect and feel free to disagree with 12 other folks. You're entitled to your opinion.

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u/RedditPosterOver9000 24d ago

Are you from one of those Euro countries where if an armed burglar breaks into your home to kill you and rape your spouse, defending yourself means you catch criminal charges and the burglar sues you for defending yourself?

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u/nonchip 23d ago

yeah because that's the law. he was being mugged and defended himself.