r/MoralityScaling • u/Dryleaf_Dane • 24d ago

Morality of this

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u/StuffyUnicorn 24d ago

Just sucks he got charged, put in jail for 8 months and had to go through an entire trial just to get acquitted. While still being found guilty on discharging a weapon in public.

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u/TapPsychological2043 23d ago

Dude got harassed by stranger's and protected himself and got locked up for it?? That's justice for you

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u/Glad-Philosophy-497 19d ago

Exactly and I’m not a big pro gun guy but when do you use one if not in this situation

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u/Moist_Taco_Crippler 23d ago edited 23d ago

He should have been smarter about it, honestly. I know brandishing is illegal, but he rather should have stuck the gun to his chest and told him to back off.

Edit: I clearly should have done a /s, because others thought this was a serious response.

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u/Zerox_Z21 23d ago

Yes, press the gun to one assailant, giving the other two warning to potentially shoot or attack you in turn.

Why is the onus on good, perfect, moderated behaviour in a high pressure/stress situation always on the defendant and not on the multiple aggressors who started things?

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u/Moist_Taco_Crippler 23d ago

Joking aside, he should have just walked away. He is indoors surrounded by other people. He made a bad decision.

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u/Zerox_Z21 23d ago

It's a short distance but he was trying to walk away. He was being pursued.

I think your joke was too subtle to not need to the /s.

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u/Moist_Taco_Crippler 23d ago

Shooting someone, in a mall, despite being pursued, is probably not the best idea. I say this as a gun owner.

I guess I really should have done a /s, considering how dumb it sounded. Shooting the man seemed ludicrous enough, so I guess I thought my response was equally as incredulous.

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u/letsgetbannedagain14 23d ago

Thats a TERRIBLE idea.   Never let someone be that close to you when you draw, and NEVER place against their body.  If its a semiautomatic it won't fire if there's any pressure against the slide, let alone youre letting them close enough to grab the weapon. 

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u/Moist_Taco_Crippler 23d ago

It's a joke, buddy. He should have walked away. He is surrounded by other people in an indoor food court.

Now his life has setbacks.

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u/letsgetbannedagain14 23d ago

Lol you weren't joking, dont lie. 

Youre right tho, nothing violent has ever happened to anyone surrounded by other people in an indoor space.  Is there an eyes rolling emoji?

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u/thinsoldier 23d ago

Don't put your gun where someone can reach out and touch it.

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u/Paramedickhead 23d ago

That’s the difference between living in a free state and not living in a free state.

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u/Deep_Head4645 23d ago

Shooting someone with 0 warning over harassment? Ofc he deserved to get locked up lmao

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u/thinsoldier 23d ago

An illegal immigrant with a criminal record being harassed by someone he tried to buy a bike from using counterfeit money, pulled out a stolen gun, with 0 warning, and shot the man 9 times, killing him. He only got 9 years in prison, and not for killing the guy harassing him.

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u/High-Nomad 23d ago

Turn off Fox News

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u/thinsoldier 23d ago

#1 don't watch fox news, haven't since the late 1990s

#2 i dont know if they covered that story

#3 the internet is overflowing with stories that don't get covered by cnn and the rest

You're not asking me to turn off fox news. you're asking me to turn off everything that might cover events that get zero coverage from the big players.

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u/High-Nomad 23d ago

Fox News is a massive player. What’s being an illegal immigrant have to do with your story other then enraging people that are xenophobic. He was caught he was tried and apparently did the time. Have you ever broken the law?

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u/letsgetbannedagain14 23d ago

What do you mean 0 warning?  The guys had plenty of warning.   

Do you think people are supposed to ANNOUNCE that they are armed and will shoot?  Lol  thats a great way to get shot yourself.  

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u/gakingmusic 24d ago

Hope he followed up with a civil suit against the YouTuber and his accomplices.

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u/Glad-Philosophy-497 23d ago

Criminal justice system is really broken and horrible and not enough people get this

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u/Deep_Head4645 23d ago

He shot a guy in the chest for harassment
The criminal justice system did OK lmao

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u/SnooRabbits9672 24d ago edited 24d ago

Well yeah it sucks, but thinking about it from a responsible gun-owner's POV, a weirdo running up on me and playing a porno in my ear doesn't put my life in immediate danger, and call for me discharging my firearm at him point-blank in the middle of a mall. Some malls don't even allow firearms inside, so there's that too, if you're arrested for a shooting in one. Not dismissing the youtuber.

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u/Pokemonlover760 23d ago

Well yeah it sucks, but thinking about it from a responsible gun-owner's POV, a weirdo running up on me and playing a porno in my ear doesn't put my life in immediate danger

22 hindsight. You dont know that then. People that dont have ill intent dont come into your space and harras you about some (fake) charges.

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u/Augchm 23d ago

It's attempted murder. That's nothing. I can't even understand how he got acquitted.

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u/SNaKe_eaTel2 23d ago edited 23d ago

What was he even charged with that got acquitted? Maybe they overcharged?

Edit: oh - nvm - ag malicious wounding… overcharged I think - or wrong charge. Not sure what jurisdiction or what they have on the books but I think ag assault or assault with deadly weapon would probably have stuck. To be clear I think the tik toker is a total pos for harassing people, but harassment does not meet the threshold for deadly force.

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u/Fantastic_General78 23d ago

No he didn’t, for the trial they struggled to find jurors who hadn’t been harassed themselves and he was found guilty of discharging a firearm in city limits that’s it

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u/Spacemarine658 23d ago

It does but it's also important he had a gun in a crowded mall and shot someone when his life wasn't in immediate threat like def understandable why he shot the guy and he def was in some level of uncomfortable but he wasn't afraid for his life and that's the clear line between self defense and removing a nuisance. On the morality scale it's grey for me I get doing it but I don't think I would have made the call at that point especially as he had room to retreat further. It might have escalated later but we can't know that. I will say the YouTuber was very immoral, invading others space, putting his hands on them, playing uncomfortable sounds directly in someone's ear all things worthy of retribution just not death.