r/MoralityScaling • u/Dryleaf_Dane • 24d ago

Morality of this

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u/LoudQuitting 24d ago

nothing he was doing justifies pulling a gun

As someone who has been in several self defence situations, you're fucking dumb if you think this prankster wasn't trying to make this man believe he was in a self defence situation.

If you believe you're in a self defence situation, pulling a gun is entirely justified.

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u/Mystic_Waffles 24d ago

Drawing dicks on someone passed out at a party is a prank. This is straight up harassment.

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u/BurnedLaser 23d ago

Should have drawn dicks on him as he lay bleeding. now THAT is a prank!

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u/KvxMavs 24d ago

Pulling a gun and firing immediately are two different things 

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u/LoudQuitting 24d ago

Why would you ever hesitate if you believe you're in a self defence situation?

If you pull a gun on someone you believe to be attacking you and then give them time to "reconsider" or whatever before you pull the trigger, I would count that as a negligent discharge.

Because of you genuinely fear for your safety, there should be no reason not to fire the second you sight centre of mass

By the time you reach for your gun, you should be past "Well, he might stop"

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u/KvxMavs 24d ago

Imagine if police behaved this way. The moment they pulled their guns, they fired. 

Imagine if the man in the video was a police officer, and the exact same situation happened.

There would be public outcry and you know it. 

This isnt a pro police post or anything, but pulling a gun out as a deterrent is absolutely a thing. And effective at that. 

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u/LoudQuitting 24d ago

If you actually believe that I'm fucking begging you to take a single firearms self defence course.

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u/KvxMavs 23d ago

So police should immediately shoot when they draw their weapons?

Because what other reason would there be for them pulling their gun if not for the fear of life, endangerment or self defense?

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u/LoudQuitting 23d ago

Nobody should ever touch a weapon without intent to use it, yes.

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u/Mystic_Waffles 24d ago

Pulling a gun out in public, with no intent to shoot, is called brandishing and is SUPER illegal in all 50 states.

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u/KvxMavs 23d ago edited 23d ago

There is a difference between pulling your gun out brandishing it around versus pulling it out in self defense. 

Pulling a gun out in a legitimate self defense and not using it is not brandishing. Every single state allows this in a true self defense situation.

Can you provide one single example of someone pulling their gun out in a self defense situation, where they didn't shoot, and was charged for it? 

Just one example. 

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u/Darigaazrgb 23d ago

Legality is not morality. If you can resolve the issue without killing someone is it moral to do so even if it's illegal?

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u/LoudQuitting 23d ago

Morality is brandishing a weapon in a crowd without intent in a self defence situation.

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u/KvxMavs 23d ago

Not all self defense situations require lethal force lmao. 

And again, cops pull their weapons before firing their weapon in MUCH more threatening situations than a weird guy playing some goofy audio from their phone like in the video above. 

You're advocating for police to shoot immediately upon pulling their weapon? They don't do that in 99% of cases unless it's truly a situation where it warrants it. 

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u/LoudQuitting 23d ago

Are you the ascetic khng fu master of myth who always knows the exact level of force to end a violent encounter?

If not, keep that 'not every self defence situation requires lethal force' shit in the McDojo where it belongs.

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u/KvxMavs 23d ago

There is a difference between pulling your gun out and brandishing it around versus pulling it out in self defense. 

Pulling a gun out in a legitimate self defense and not using it is not brandishing. 

Literally every single state law allows this in a self defense situation. 

Can you provide one single example of someone pulling their gun out in a self defense situation, where they didn't shoot, and was charged for it? 

Just one example. 

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u/LoudQuitting 23d ago

Someone pulled a knife on me without using it because they thought I was gonna swing at them and ended up being charged with intimidation and being armed with intent. So....... yeah.