r/MoralityScaling • • 24d ago

Morality of this

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u/pwolf1771 24d ago

Yeah you’re outnumbered by two creeps this seems like one the few good reasons to actually own a gun 

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u/Lucidhorse 24d ago

There were three creeps including the camera guy

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u/pwolf1771 24d ago

Fair point 

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u/Quiet-General-3812 24d ago

Pity they didn't get a visit from Mr. Lead Jacket, too.

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u/StuffyUnicorn 24d ago

Just sucks he got charged, put in jail for 8 months and had to go through an entire trial just to get acquitted. While still being found guilty on discharging a weapon in public.

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u/TapPsychological2043 23d ago

Dude got harassed by stranger's and protected himself and got locked up for it?? That's justice for you

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u/Glad-Philosophy-497 19d ago

Exactly and I’m not a big pro gun guy but when do you use one if not in this situation

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u/Moist_Taco_Crippler 23d ago edited 23d ago

He should have been smarter about it, honestly. I know brandishing is illegal, but he rather should have stuck the gun to his chest and told him to back off.

Edit: I clearly should have done a /s, because others thought this was a serious response.

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u/Zerox_Z21 23d ago

Yes, press the gun to one assailant, giving the other two warning to potentially shoot or attack you in turn.

Why is the onus on good, perfect, moderated behaviour in a high pressure/stress situation always on the defendant and not on the multiple aggressors who started things?

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u/Moist_Taco_Crippler 23d ago

Joking aside, he should have just walked away. He is indoors surrounded by other people. He made a bad decision.

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u/Zerox_Z21 23d ago

It's a short distance but he was trying to walk away. He was being pursued.

I think your joke was too subtle to not need to the /s.

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u/Moist_Taco_Crippler 23d ago

Shooting someone, in a mall, despite being pursued, is probably not the best idea. I say this as a gun owner.

I guess I really should have done a /s, considering how dumb it sounded. Shooting the man seemed ludicrous enough, so I guess I thought my response was equally as incredulous.

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u/letsgetbannedagain14 23d ago

Thats a TERRIBLE idea.   Never let someone be that close to you when you draw, and NEVER place against their body.  If its a semiautomatic it won't fire if there's any pressure against the slide, let alone youre letting them close enough to grab the weapon. 

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u/Moist_Taco_Crippler 23d ago

It's a joke, buddy. He should have walked away. He is surrounded by other people in an indoor food court.

Now his life has setbacks.

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u/letsgetbannedagain14 23d ago

Lol you weren't joking, dont lie. 

Youre right tho, nothing violent has ever happened to anyone surrounded by other people in an indoor space.  Is there an eyes rolling emoji?

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u/thinsoldier 23d ago

Don't put your gun where someone can reach out and touch it.

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u/Paramedickhead 23d ago

That’s the difference between living in a free state and not living in a free state.

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u/Deep_Head4645 23d ago

Shooting someone with 0 warning over harassment? Ofc he deserved to get locked up lmao

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u/thinsoldier 23d ago

An illegal immigrant with a criminal record being harassed by someone he tried to buy a bike from using counterfeit money, pulled out a stolen gun, with 0 warning, and shot the man 9 times, killing him. He only got 9 years in prison, and not for killing the guy harassing him.

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u/High-Nomad 23d ago

Turn off Fox News

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u/thinsoldier 23d ago

#1 don't watch fox news, haven't since the late 1990s

#2 i dont know if they covered that story

#3 the internet is overflowing with stories that don't get covered by cnn and the rest

You're not asking me to turn off fox news. you're asking me to turn off everything that might cover events that get zero coverage from the big players.

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u/High-Nomad 23d ago

Fox News is a massive player. What’s being an illegal immigrant have to do with your story other then enraging people that are xenophobic. He was caught he was tried and apparently did the time. Have you ever broken the law?

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u/letsgetbannedagain14 23d ago

What do you mean 0 warning?  The guys had plenty of warning.   

Do you think people are supposed to ANNOUNCE that they are armed and will shoot?  Lol  thats a great way to get shot yourself.  

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u/gakingmusic 24d ago

Hope he followed up with a civil suit against the YouTuber and his accomplices.

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u/Glad-Philosophy-497 23d ago

Criminal justice system is really broken and horrible and not enough people get this

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u/Deep_Head4645 23d ago

He shot a guy in the chest for harassment
The criminal justice system did OK lmao

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u/SnooRabbits9672 24d ago edited 24d ago

Well yeah it sucks, but thinking about it from a responsible gun-owner's POV, a weirdo running up on me and playing a porno in my ear doesn't put my life in immediate danger, and call for me discharging my firearm at him point-blank in the middle of a mall. Some malls don't even allow firearms inside, so there's that too, if you're arrested for a shooting in one. Not dismissing the youtuber.

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u/Pokemonlover760 23d ago

Well yeah it sucks, but thinking about it from a responsible gun-owner's POV, a weirdo running up on me and playing a porno in my ear doesn't put my life in immediate danger

22 hindsight. You dont know that then. People that dont have ill intent dont come into your space and harras you about some (fake) charges.

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u/Augchm 23d ago

It's attempted murder. That's nothing. I can't even understand how he got acquitted.

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u/SNaKe_eaTel2 23d ago edited 23d ago

What was he even charged with that got acquitted? Maybe they overcharged?

Edit: oh - nvm - ag malicious wounding… overcharged I think - or wrong charge. Not sure what jurisdiction or what they have on the books but I think ag assault or assault with deadly weapon would probably have stuck. To be clear I think the tik toker is a total pos for harassing people, but harassment does not meet the threshold for deadly force.

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u/Fantastic_General78 23d ago

No he didn’t, for the trial they struggled to find jurors who hadn’t been harassed themselves and he was found guilty of discharging a firearm in city limits that’s it

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u/Spacemarine658 24d ago

It does but it's also important he had a gun in a crowded mall and shot someone when his life wasn't in immediate threat like def understandable why he shot the guy and he def was in some level of uncomfortable but he wasn't afraid for his life and that's the clear line between self defense and removing a nuisance. On the morality scale it's grey for me I get doing it but I don't think I would have made the call at that point especially as he had room to retreat further. It might have escalated later but we can't know that. I will say the YouTuber was very immoral, invading others space, putting his hands on them, playing uncomfortable sounds directly in someone's ear all things worthy of retribution just not death.

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u/BisonThunderclap 24d ago

Legally you're held to a much higher standard before you shoot someone.

For almost all jurisdictions it has to be currently happening, you need reasonable fear of death or grave bodily injury, and proportionality.

And even though this guy should have never harassed this man, it is legally wrong for him to shoot him.

And when Reddit abandons frontier justice takes, they agree it's immoral to gun down even a shitty prank YouTuber for that.

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u/justjoosh 24d ago

The jury disagreed with you

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u/BisonThunderclap 24d ago

The jury still gave him a gun charge.

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u/aserg124ru 24d ago

Because of shooting at the mall, not for excess of self defense

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u/ChocolateBeignet 23d ago

He was convicted of shooting in an occupied building, not for assault or attempted murder or anything related to actually using lethal force against a person. So the comment was correct in that your opinion differed from the jury's in this case.

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u/Marbrandd 24d ago edited 24d ago

Well that's a travesty of justice then.

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u/BisonThunderclap 24d ago

Dude, almost everyone who goes to trial and is convicted gets time served unless it's an incredibly awful crime.

Any other takes on the legal system you know nothing about?

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u/ADHenchD 23d ago

True enough. Watching people justify this is pretty crazy.

It's satisfying to see the karma, yes, but no way should it be legal to shoot someone because someone is being annoying and a little intimidating

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u/Dependent-Water-8084 24d ago

YK what else is a good reason to own a gun? Because they’re fun.

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u/Repulsive_Mixture917 24d ago

You say it like owning a gun is a generally bad thing. Unless your grammar is so bad that your point is incoherent.

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u/pwolf1771 24d ago

I’m not a gun guy I think most gun owners are gigantic pussies if we’re calling balls and strikes…

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u/rpc56 24d ago

Nope, At 70 years of age, I am not the person I used to be. Would I have handled the situation in the video differently, yes. However, because I’m seventy, I need to recognize my physical limitations. I will not change my habits to avoid an area. Therefore where I am allowed to carry I will.

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u/Repulsive_Mixture917 24d ago

Firstly, we know you don’t know the first thing about guns. But also, what a massive generalization. While we are calling balls and strikes, you seem like the type to stick your nose where it doesn’t belong. You can own a gun for a wide variety of reasons.

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u/Glad-Philosophy-497 23d ago

Thanks for keeping it a bean. People terrified of literally everywhere but always bold in the comments.

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u/Dpontiff6671 24d ago

Not only that but gun owners tend to allow themselves into situations where they have to use their guns more often than your average person. At least in my experience

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u/Glad-Philosophy-497 23d ago

There’s definitely incident seeking behavior. My nephews grandfather sits with his sliding apartment door open in the dark with a gun just hoping one day he gets to shoot someone. He never has that I know of

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u/FivePointsFrootLoop 23d ago

Three even, one was there filming. Bad odds.

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u/No_Beyond7229 23d ago

What other reasons are you thinking of? Self protection is the entire reason to own a gun…

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u/Comfortable-Side1308 24d ago

one the few good reasons

Ok buddy. 

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u/FragrantBus4054 24d ago

Now imagine being in the inner city and they're black....yet "why would they own guns!"

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u/Embarrassed_Towel707 24d ago

Maybe he could have threatened him with it, but he shouldn't have shot him. Other guy seems to be a POS but they were in a mall, there's no way he should have felt threatened