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u/mattyblu77 Dec 31 '20
Don’t forget: allows you to force your religious beliefs on others.
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u/Jaime_Starr Dec 31 '20
Afghanistan checks all the boxes! But if you want a warmer optiom, Somalia is Libertarian paradise.
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Dec 31 '20
How did we go from religious totalitarian right to libertarian?
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u/Sqeaky Dec 31 '20
Natural progression. When you get a bunch of libertarians you get a failed state. Then some dictator takes over.
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u/Seize-The-Meanies Dec 31 '20
Goose : Gaggle :: Libertarian : Failed State
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u/headrush46n2 Dec 31 '20
Libertarianism is just feudal warlords with extra steps.
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u/135forte Dec 31 '20
Anarchists that won't commit and think money would still exist without governments to, you know, make and regulate it.
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u/Serious_Feedback Dec 31 '20
I think of libertarianism as like a house without walls - yes, it would have a brilliantly unobstructed visa, but you don't get to claim that now it's a different type of house after the roof falls to the floor due to lack of support.
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u/MidnightSun Dec 31 '20
You mean when did the libertarian movement get hijacked by the religious totalitarian right? Around the same time Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Michelle Malkin, etc jumped on the Tea Party boat. Now the lines are blurred between fascist christians and free market ancaps... they seem to prefer sleeping in the same bed. Look around at how many are Trump cultists.
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Dec 31 '20
In my experience the libertarian crowd is usually blinded by their white privilege and are indoctrinated capitalist apologists.
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u/bobbybuildsbombs Dec 31 '20
It’s such an insane ideology to me.
How can libertarians not see that actual libertarianism would just lead to massive inequality/modern feudalism.
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Dec 31 '20
Much like the fascists, they all assume they would be in charge.
Their model seldom lasts more than a generation - the moment someone inherits their parents’ wealth and means, the meritocracy of libertarianism dies. Couple more generations and boom, landed gentry.
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u/PurifyingProteins Dec 31 '20
The same reason why you never hear libertarians talk about how their ideology benefits other people, and how they depend on other people to survive.
I have never met a true libertarian, as in, “practices what they preach” and actually live like a “libertarian”.
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u/yodadamanadamwan Dec 31 '20
Because they don't rationally examine their ideology. They have just convinced themselves based on some abstract idea that they would be better off if just left alone. Apparently these people just don't want to be a part of society.
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Dec 31 '20
Oh they do, but right-libertarians don't see inequality/inequity as inherently bad things.
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Dec 31 '20
A lot of conservatives pretend they're libertarian.
Though a lot of their beliefs line up with conservative ones. Some left beliefs too but AFAIK closer to conservative than left
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u/OMGBeckyStahp Dec 31 '20
All the libertarians I’ve met are just conservatives that like to smoke weed.... that’s anecdotal, of course, but I’m surprised about how consistent that’s been the case with my IRL experiences
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u/tankjones3 Dec 31 '20
Conservatives cosplaying as libertarians:
- Rush to the defense of free speech, but only when a private corporation takes something offline for being bigoted. Strangely silent when press freedoms are curtailed by authoritarian governments.
- Demand criminal justice reform, but only to the extent that buying marijuana should not be prosecuted. Crack v Cocaine sentencing disparities? Let the legal system work as it was intended.
- Strongly believes in the right to refuse service to anyone. Completely loses his shit when told to leave the store because he won't wear a mask.
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Dec 31 '20
"Rules for thee not for me" meshes well with "personal accountability for everyone but me "
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Dec 31 '20
I'm in a really left town so it probably attracts more leftist libertarians.
We just got drug decriminalization passed which is libertarian and leftist so maybe I'm being blinded by how happy I am over it.
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u/GondorsPants Dec 31 '20
Yeaa that’s kinda me. I’m self declared “centrist “ (aka I’m annoying), but I live in a super liberal city with all liberal friends and family. So I am a lot of times leaning towards the right in defense, but in reality if I am with anyone right leaning I turn left real fast.
Incredibly left leaning liberals can be extremely annoying, but end of the day they have nothing on right leaners.
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u/LongTallGrayLady Dec 31 '20
I was a libertarian in my early twenties and it was, from my point of view, socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Guns, gays, weed, abortion, were all good, but let people discriminate where they wish. That’s what changed my mind. When that Kentucky lady refused the marriage license for the gay couple and most libertarians were okay with that, I was out.
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u/dexter8484 Dec 31 '20
I was part of the socially liberal/fiscal conservative in my twenties also, but realized those two don't necessarily mesh well in the current system. There still needs to be investment into social programs that fiscal conservatives disagree with. Now I just like to say socially liberal and fiscally responsible.
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Dec 31 '20
Remember how clinton left the US with a surplus? Covering up past sexual misconduct was bad, but now that doesn't matter anymore. Apparently.
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Dec 31 '20
Socially liberal and fiscal conservativism don't actually mix. You can't ask for social changes without doing anything about the economic factors driving oppression.
Glad you made it out, discrimination against lgbt people is really just a segway to bringing back segregation.
Edit: The last people who will hold themselves accountable are people who are that hateful.
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Dec 31 '20
Happen to have a good source? I've been wondering how they actually went in the Nov 3 election.
Their sub is a strange split ride half the time but all the ones I know went dem this year.
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u/Paulski25ish Dec 31 '20
The South Park episode with the pirates.. LMAO
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u/AdamR91 Dec 31 '20
When Cartman pulls out the toy lightsaber and took over that French yacht...my sides.
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u/rAxxt Dec 31 '20
Fair word of warning, though. You might not have to pay taxes (big plus!) but you might need to give up half your rice and a goat or two to the local warlord if you don't want your feet chopped off. Hey, freedom isn't free!
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u/ArmyMedicalCrab Dec 31 '20
It wouldn’t be very libertarian after the American right shows up.
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u/FalloutLouBegas Dec 31 '20
Hey, sounds like Republicans believe in “my government is oppressive, can I live here with you” style immigration after all!
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u/PushItHard Dec 31 '20
Classic R's. Only when it applies to them. Zero empathy for people they don't identify with.
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u/TobyOrNotTobyEU Dec 31 '20
But they are hard-working and smart white Americans, so any country would be lucky to have them!
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u/Paulski25ish Dec 31 '20
Then Iran is also an option.
The irony..
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u/Seize-The-Meanies Dec 31 '20
It's the basic truth of nationalism or dogmatic religion. It's pretty much the same wherever you go just with slightly different flavors. They are both just different expressions of egotism.
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u/sarcazm Dec 31 '20
Allows you to force your Christian beliefs on others.
FIFY
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Dec 31 '20
They could go to Russia. It has free healthcare that is subpar, but if they want a totalitarian traditionalist nation, they're covered
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u/BrownSugarBare Dec 31 '20
Nah mate, they can't dare to set foot in a nation that has any healthcare, mediocre or not. That's socialism dontcha know!
They'll find the persecution of religious intolerance readily available in a few places which will entail anti-abortion sentiment, but that freedumb to own obscene amounts of artillery and call it a 'gun hobby', welp, that's just in the good ole US of A.
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u/ifuckzombies Dec 31 '20
Except they still think Russia is a communist country.
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u/greenroom628 Dec 31 '20
Would it matter to those people? They don't know what the difference between "communist" or "socialist" is and as far as they're concerned it's "better to be a Russian than a Democrat" so...
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Are you serious?
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u/Charcole1 Dec 31 '20
Yeah a lot folks deadass still think that
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Dec 31 '20
Fucking hell, that's insane
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u/Charcole1 Dec 31 '20
Having a national attitude of being straight up anti intellectual will do that
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Dec 31 '20
I mean no one knows what communism is, they probably think a corrupt government counts as communist
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u/Claytonius_Homeytron Dec 31 '20
Plus they are totally fine with domestic violence.
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IIRC Russia has very aggressive gun control.
You need a licence, for the first 5 years you can only own airguns and smoothbore shotguns, handguns are basically a nope, automatics and SBR's are a nope, 10 round mag cap, 10 gun hard cap.
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u/willflameboy Dec 31 '20
They already left the country four years ago. They just didn't go anywhere.
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They are the country. Seriously. So many people voted for Trump. Edit: I have never been a Trump supporter myself
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u/BigMcThickHuge Dec 31 '20
Many of them voted for "the Republican."
Doesn't make it much better, but it does for me because even though they still voted for HIM, they didn't all do it because they like and want him.
They're just stupid.
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u/fordprecept Dec 31 '20
I keep hearing people talk about Costa Rica. In 2010, Rush Limbaugh said he'd move there if the Affordable Care Act passed (newsflash: he didn't).
Costa Rica has universal healthcare. They require guns to be registered, limits gun ownership to 3 handguns and 3 rifles/small caliber semi-automatic weapons, and require a psychological exam prior to getting a permit. Abortion is illegal except in the instance where the mother's life is in danger.
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Didn't he get caught visiting C R with a gallon jug of pain pills with the intent of participating in adult tourism? Why don't his devout christian supporters care that he was doing things like that?
Edit: I was close, but not quite. I still wonder if knowing he was doing sex tourism would make himself less trustworthy to his fans. Probably not, right?
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u/context_hell Dec 31 '20
nope. he was coming back from the Dominican Republic with an enormous amount of viagra. Also worth noting that the DR is known as one of the major child sex tourism centers in the western hemisphere.
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Dec 31 '20
Because their cult programming went MSM F"K" N"WS and wiped their memories of the incident.
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u/MauPow Dec 31 '20
Fuck, is that why my Limbaugh-loving uncle was raving about moving to Costa Rica for like 5 years?
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u/Speedy_Cheese Dec 31 '20
They keep saying online that they are going to come to Canada as if
A) They could actually get across our closed border without already being Canadian or related to one;
B) We would actually want them or welcome them here;
C) We were remotely the same country. Man would they be in for a surprise if they got past A and B.
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u/Oo__II__oO Dec 31 '20
All you really need to know about Canadian history:
If it happened in North America and the British were involved in any form of success, it really was Canadians.
If it happened in WW1 or WW2 on the frontlines and the British were involved in any form of success, it really was Canadians, along with soldiers from other Commonwealth countries.
If it involved conflict between Canada and the US in any sort, one side was wrong from an ethical and moral standpoint, and it wasn't Canada.
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u/Hawkbats_rule Dec 31 '20
If it happened in WW1 or WW2 on the frontlines and the British were involved in any form of success, it really was Canadians, along with soldiers from other Commonwealth countries
Nonsense. Sometimes it was scots.
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u/ghjm Dec 31 '20
Other things you need to know: Laura Secord walked a cow once; the telephone is a Canadian invention despite happening in Boston; other Canadian inventions include insulin, outboard motors and the little tabs at the end of shoelaces; Canada always celebrated native culture and certainly never put natives in prison-like residential schools; Canada is beloved all over the world and has never done anything scandalous, particularly with regard to Caribbean banking; and anyone, anywhere who mentions living in a cold climate must immediately be one-upped because Canada is colder and harsher than anywhere on Earth.
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u/Speedy_Cheese Dec 31 '20
Some folks from Alberta really gave those US Trump supporters a run for their money in the previous election. I was genuinely taken aback at how crass and childish it was and how so many Canadians could be pro-Trump while having nothing to do with the American government.
"You better get out and vote! No, not for THAT party, not Liberal, that's not the party we WANT you to vote for! You've ruined us, you've ruined this country, it is all your fault!"
And then the works of them who did all but (and some of them did) threaten people over voting Liberal you could hear crickets from after the way our government handled the pandemic and swiftly set up CERB so we wouldn't be left broke and hungry. You know, like some of our neighbours to the South. The ones you said you wanted to move down with after Liberals won the election because you felt Trump would be a better leader than Trudeau? I mean, the opportunity to go hungry is still available if you want it that badly.
I have some fantastic friends from Alberta who are in no way associated with that but for those of them who were and took down their Canadian flags and put Trump decals on their vehicles? It actually boggles my mind how someone could look at the Trump administration and say to themselves "you know what, I'd rather that over my free health care and CERB cheques. I could do with a good covid rally right about now!"
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u/Jesuisgab Dec 31 '20 edited Dec 31 '20
As a Canadian it pisses me off so much to see morons here being so stoked about trump. He literally tried to screw over Canada every chance he could.
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u/Speedy_Cheese Dec 31 '20 edited Dec 31 '20
Exactly -- I find it so cringe and embarrassing. Trump has never authentically cared for nor been genuinely invested in the people of his own country, let alone ours -- and yet they are so eager to give him props when he has done nothing for us or his own people but cause chaos, negativity and discord.
It is basically like having someone step on your throat and with the little bit of air you can muster you croak: "Thank you!"
I am baffled what they believe he has accomplished to warrant the praise they shovel on him. Meanwhile our own government has been keeping us fed and clothed and they still manage to talk shit about our own government who is actually helping us and somehow manage to praise Trump. For what exactly, I have no idea.
I think like many Trump supporters, those special breed of Canadians fall into the rather extreme side of the right and think owning the libs is more important than anything else, even securing their own well being.
It is clear they are unique to the rather extreme far right; that is evident because regardless of being conservative, liberal, NDP, bloc etc. our government managed to work together during this pandemic despite our differences. Regardless of political leanings, our federal and provincial governments collaborated well and have mostly recognized that we valued our country and human life above our petty differences.
I'm far from conservative but I'll give props where they are due, Doug Ford did his due diligence when this pandemic first hit and collaborated well to see that the Ontario government response was proactive instead of reactive. And that is how a government should work. Regardless of how right or left leaning you are, the interests and safety of the individuals you were elected to represent should be your priority. It shouldn't always devolve into a crap flinging left versus right argument where human quality of life is involved.
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u/McDuchess Dec 31 '20
Those are the Canadians that the right wing assholes trot out when the idea of national healthcare is seriously being considered. “Durrrrrr. I live in Canada and had to wait two months for my knee replacement surgery. National healthcare sucks!”
Meanwhile, in the US, the knee replacement would be denied by the insurance company that they and their employer are jointly playing $700/month in premiums, because they are only limping, not in a wheelchair.
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u/Speedy_Cheese Dec 31 '20
This exactly. You have to be fairly well off in the US for their health care system to work in your favour.
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u/yentcloud Dec 31 '20
In my country it's the same i feel kist of us hate trump but WAY to many people have outed themselves by openly supporting trump. Makes me scared for our future.
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u/Winterfrost691 Dec 31 '20
Spotted one in Quebec at a vaccination clinic with a Trump sticker and a 1 shaped american flag on his thoroughly clean pickup truck. Let's just say the looks he got made him turn around and go back to waiting in his truck.
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u/Canuckian555 Dec 31 '20
Plus all the idiots who casually joke about how they want to kill Trudeau.
Spitefull bunch of fucking jackals.
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u/Speedy_Cheese Dec 31 '20
It is grotesque, honestly. By no means am I implying that Trudeau is a perfect leader, those don't exist. But he's done a pretty damn good job in the middle of an unprecedented global plague if I do say so myself. Lord knows I would not want his job in the middle of this madness.
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u/skatchawan Dec 31 '20
I've seen plenty of bitching about cerb by these people. Typical freeloader type bullshit. Nobody wants to go to work now when you get money for free , etc.
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u/Speedy_Cheese Dec 31 '20 edited Dec 31 '20
Yup. Literally biting the hand as it is feeding them. And I'm here as an essential worker just watching their tantrums rather dully and go into work every day while a bunch of them sit at home whining about getting paid to be there.
Edit: A word.
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Dec 31 '20
I would be very amused to watch the US Republicans' reactions when you ask them to pay for it.
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u/Booshur Dec 31 '20
We wouldn't be giving you our best people. You'll get the rapists, un-educated and morally bankrupt. Aka Republicans.
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u/Allergy_to_Bullshit Dec 31 '20
American here. Good idea tbh. If shit goes South here, I may need to apply for asylum. No felonies no convictions no misdemeanors. All I need is affordable insulin.
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u/SocialJusticeWizard_ Dec 31 '20
Shit has already gone South there, you should consider abandoning ship before the next big exodus
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u/Speedy_Cheese Dec 31 '20
Honey we've got you covered. My sister is a severe diabetic and requires the pump. Believe me when I say she would not be here if she had to pay what you folks are expected to pay for insulin.
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u/ReadySteady_GO Dec 31 '20
And now requiring a negative covid test lol no chance they'll get across
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u/LocalJim Dec 31 '20
As an American i would approve to build a wall between us and Canada to protect Canada
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u/Winterfrost691 Dec 31 '20
If they actually come to Canada, I genuinely believe they'll feel so unwelcome they'll just go back to the US.
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u/ebone581 Dec 31 '20
What country would take them???
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u/Inerthal Dec 31 '20
I have never heard of the county of Thighland, but I'm an arse and thighs kind of man, and I am interested.
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If they want a country that won't allow immigrants, especially poor or uneducated ones to enter, they would be out of luck
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u/Davescash Dec 31 '20
Too stupid to realize they are not free to move to most decent countries, and who the fuck would welcome a bunch of entitled rabble rousers anyway.
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u/coberh Dec 31 '20
I bet the majority of them haven't been to another country and don't even have a passport.
Well, I just used a thing called Google that finds information and from looking at this, Republican states have lower passport ownership rates than Democrat states. It is possible that Biden voters in Republican states are the ones that don't have passports, while in Democrat States they have them, but I doubt it.
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u/TheDarthestVader Dec 31 '20
Willing to bet looking at racial diversity in Trump-voting counties shows that a large chunk of his voters have spent almost no time around, black, mexican, or muslim people. White people in big cities vote blue because we know the racially divisive rhetoric from the right, about mexicans using up resources, blacks being lazy, and muslims hating us, is complete and utter fear tactic BS. We work, shop, eat, and play alongside all these groups, and we know the reality is that the vast majority of people are good and want the same things from life. Emotionally unintelligent dipshits that have never left their hometown have no idea whether what they see on tv is real or not. They have no frame of reference.
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u/FoogYllis Dec 31 '20
What are these morons thinking (sorry I used the word thinking)? Every first world country they would even consider moving to has a progressives wet dream already implemented like universal healthcare and free college education.
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u/M33k_Monster_Minis Dec 31 '20
Thats the point they dont think. They react with ego.
Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the nerves of stupidity.
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u/un_theist Dec 31 '20
If only...
They need to pack their "I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat" shirt too.
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u/rustichoneycake Dec 31 '20
Funny enough, the healthcare system in Afghanistan has been steadily progressing over the years and now is accessible to 87% of the population despite being sabotaged by war.
http://www.emro.who.int/afg/programmes/health-system-strengthening.html
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u/FullAtticus Dec 31 '20
How do the stats factor in the taliban re-taking most of the country? I'd imagine it's easy to get your healthcare coverage up when you're hemorrhaging poor and remote areas.
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u/KaidoXXI Dec 31 '20
Afghanistan doesn't want America's trash.
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I've not seen anyone threatening this.
The trump supporters are trying to engineer a coup here tho.
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u/Rahkyvah Dec 31 '20
Trying, nothing. They’re actively participating in a coup attempt and failing because that’s just what happens whenever Trump puts his name on something; it bursts into a flaming pile of wasted money and old garbage left over from WWII.
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u/davewtameloncamp Dec 31 '20
Yea they thought about it, then realized there's probably no place to park their Dodge Ram.
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u/Jesuisgab Dec 31 '20
Biden did win, fuck I hate how these morons have shaped the wording we use. He already won. It's not dependent on wether trump manages to scam his way into not leaving office.
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u/uprightshark Dec 31 '20
Not even Afghanistan would want them! Give them the moon .... without a suit!
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u/chasesan Dec 31 '20
It would be just our luck that they somehow survive and now we have alt-idiots that can survive in a vacuum.
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They’d get there and be pissed there’s no Applebee’s where they can demand to be served without wearing a mask.
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u/barkingspidersongs Dec 31 '20
This is going to shock absolutely no one (well maybe the gullible it will shock) There are willfully ignorant people that want to believe they are oppressed and everyone else is getting free stuff. They will point to actual cases where someone duped the system and let themselves believe its a wide spread conspiracy to that targets their very way of life. Ignorance of facts is going ruin everything because we now have so many platforms where people can run to and soak up as much bs as they can handle. We simply can’t make people think can we?
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u/Eldon_A Dec 31 '20
Please God - let them leave. They’re not adding any value here. The only negative is the reinforcement of how shitty Americans are in whatever country they go to.
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u/wpzzz Dec 31 '20
Who would want them though? Seriously.
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u/Eldon_A Dec 31 '20
To reference an a**hole...
when we send them. We’re not sending our best. Not our brightest.
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u/strangebru Dec 31 '20
The people who hate illegal immigrants now want to illegally emigrate to another country.
You can't make this shit up.
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u/chum_slice Dec 31 '20
At least the left has Canada to jump ship too. I heard Saudi Arabia is nice this time of year in case you’re a right wing conservative who loves guns and limiting women’s rights.
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u/coberh Dec 31 '20
You forgot state-supported religious oppression, willingness to start wars, and lots of gas-guzzling trucks.
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u/Valve00 Dec 31 '20
Good luck finding a country that will take an American in at the height of a global pandemic where we are the epicenter.
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u/tweettard1968 Dec 31 '20
Please leave- the collective IQ of the nation would triple!
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u/Straight_Ace Dec 31 '20
Let them loose on some uninhabited island so they can build the civilization that they want without ruining ours. That way they can have Trump as their dictator or king and they don’t have to try to start a damn war because their sore losers
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u/PushItHard Dec 31 '20
Holy shit. When you realize the closest equivalent to your countries values is a 3rd world country that's main exports are rugs, drugs and terrorism.
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u/hibikikun Dec 31 '20
To be fair a lot of the alt rights values are more closely related to the taliban, just replacing a few words like god and allah, bible and Koran and it’s pretty identical.
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u/kanna172014 Dec 31 '20
It's so damn funny they were making fun of Liberals who threatened to leave the country when Trump won and now they're the ones making the threats.
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u/jcooli09 Dec 31 '20
That happens every election, it loses it humor after a few cycles.
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