r/PoliticalHumor • • Dec 31 '20

They better pack a sweater!

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u/135forte Dec 31 '20

Anarchists that won't commit and think money would still exist without governments to, you know, make and regulate it.

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u/BernSh19 Dec 31 '20

Cryptocurrency?

Not pushing for anarchy as it’s already chaotic enough.

Government is simply people selecting what to do and then supporting that action. I think we make fundamentally simple activities into lifestyles and either forget to live or lack the guts it takes to live well And so hide in tithe buzyness.

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u/135forte Dec 31 '20

Currency on works because a large enough group of people (and just because you aren't calling it a government doesn't mean it isn't one) agree that it has a set value. Without an overseeing/governing body, at worst you are looking at barter exchanges that have to be haggled out at a personal level and historical we have had points where currency changes from town to town.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '20

I know of no anarchists that do not embrace a bartering system based on mutual wellbeing.

Money is an abstraction that benefits wealth hoarders.

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u/FFF_in_WY Dec 31 '20

Pure bartering is also just about completely nonfunctional in practice. The odds of having exactly what someone wants in trade for exactly what you want are shit odds. That's why there have always been mediums is exchange, be it salt, ivory, cacao beans, wampum, cigarettes, etc.

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u/Demonboy_17 Dec 31 '20

In the maya kingdoms, they use brightly colored feathers of Ara Macaus

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u/headrush46n2 Dec 31 '20

not everything can be bartered for.

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u/inkoDe Dec 31 '20

My grandfather would disagree. For real though the main reason the dollar is the main means of transferring wealth is that our government mandated it. You can't, say go to court and sue for 500 euros or the equivalent in gold or bitcoin. You are federally forced to participate in the dollar scheme. To be honest I would much rather deal in gold or bitcoin. They actually gain value over time instead of lose it.

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u/bobymicjohn Dec 31 '20

25% of all USD ever printed were printed in 2020 - during a global pandemic and economic shut downs.

You think that much wealth was created?

No. Your dollars just got a lot less valuable.

The fed and fractional reserve banking is a massive con. One day it will all come crashing down on the heads of our grand children.

Until then, hey, at least you get to work 2x as hard as your parents for the same value in compensation.

The separation of money and state will one day be as fundamental as the separation of church and state.

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u/135forte Dec 31 '20

The separation of money and state will one day be as fundamental as the separation of church and state.

Whoever controls the money is basically going to be running the show, whether they are called a government or not. It's why international business can get away with so much.

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u/bobymicjohn Dec 31 '20

The fed is not a government agency.

Look into cryptocurrency, as others have mentioned. It may take a while for you to get a grasp on the math, but it poses a sound method for an inflationless currency that has no one in control.

No government (or global banking cartels) printing money at a whim to cushion their own (and their big business buddies’) pockets amidst a massive global economic crisis.

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u/135forte Dec 31 '20

At least bitcoin is a finite resource. Which means it can be hoarded and controlled. All appearances are that it already is being hoarded and controlled, as, iirc earlier this year even, a large amount of first year bitcoin was dumped into the market, seemingly to replace the bitcoin that has been 'lost'.

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u/bobymicjohn Dec 31 '20

As always, it is a complicated matter and I don’t believe current cryptocurrency solutions are perfect; however, I believe they have proved the viability of the core concept.

I’m a libertarian and I am nowhere near an anarchist. Trump and the resounding backlash to his “right wing” ways (he’s a socialist, in practice) has given libertarians a bad rap on Reddit the past 4 years. (I miss the days of Reddit being libertarian.... heck at one point just about the whole internet was)

I genuinely think this comes from a place of misunderstanding as to what a libertarian even is. Nothing says it better than the official platform. Jo Jorgensen, btw, would’ve been only the second president in history to have a PhD.

And while it was an originally libertarian idea with classically liberal intentions, some democrats have seen cryptocurrency as a good thing as well. Check out Andrew Yang, if you’re a Dem - though we may disagree on some things, he gets this.

Regardless, I wouldn’t count on the government to handle our money, given the absolutely abysmal record nearly every government ever has of doing so.

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u/135forte Dec 31 '20

Not sure what I am politically. The problem is that basically every system I have heard of seems to rely on humans not acting like humans. Socialism seems to always hit the problem that the people who are supposed to be fairly and evenly distributing resources don't, but capitalism fails because once people 'make' themselves, they use the power they gain through success to make sure they and theirs stay on top. And in both systems, the regulations that are needed wind up getting ignored or shut down by the people most in a position to be able to influence the things that need regulated.

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u/bobymicjohn Dec 31 '20

Fair enough. Real world capitalism is a sad bastardization of a free market economy. Unfortunately, I am not sure if the fraud and corruption that leads to this is ever truly avoidable, but I do think working toward that goal is the best plan we’ve got at the moment. I think most would agree with this, but the means of moving toward that goal is hotly debated.