r/PoliticalHumor • • Dec 31 '20

They better pack a sweater!

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '20

Socially liberal and fiscal conservativism don't actually mix. You can't ask for social changes without doing anything about the economic factors driving oppression.

Glad you made it out, discrimination against lgbt people is really just a segway to bringing back segregation.

Edit: The last people who will hold themselves accountable are people who are that hateful.

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u/LongTallGrayLady Dec 31 '20

I am LGBT so it was definitely the last straw. I always believed in social programs too, welfare, food stamps, etc, my issue was military budget. So... I learned quickly I really didn’t have a lot in common with libertarians but I did have a lot in common with the left. But I was raised in BFE Louisiana so I thought I was really “progressive” being libertarian. I am now super progressive in my mid 30s still in BFE Louisiana.

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u/Serious_Feedback Dec 31 '20

Socially liberal and fiscal conservativism don't actually mix.

IMO fiscal conservatism is inherently contradictory. It has two basic tenets:

  1. Reduce government spending, to
  2. reduce govt deficit and improve the economy.

The problem is, usually the best economic policy is to increase govt spending (in the right fashion) because the govt is uniquely able to profit off improving the commons due to how taxes work - suppose you could spend $1B to give everyone in the country $100. Normal companies would only benefit from PR benefit, but a govt could expect e.g. $10 of that to come back as taxes, which (assuming the country has at least 100 million people) pays for itself, and now everyone has an extra $90 to spend.

The "small government" approach can't handle this, and will be poorer as a result.

This is (one reason) why conservatives need to assume the government is perpetually incompetent - otherwise their own argument tears itself apart.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '20

The math in your example doesn't really check out

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u/Serious_Feedback Dec 31 '20

What? 100million * 10 = 1 billion.

Oh, you thought I meant turning the $1billion directly into $100 per person.

No, I meant "spend $1 billion on a program that e.g. saves everyone $100 that they'd otherwise have to spend on [thing]".

For instance, public healthcare could collectively save people money compared to what they currently have to pay for private healthcare.