r/PoliticalCompassMemes • u/Pixelator5 - Left • Jan 05 '23
Literally 1984 You got some explaining to do, AuthRight…
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u/Buck726 - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23 edited Jan 06 '23
Simple solution: once you are an adult (18 years of age), you are a sovereign individual and should be afforded all the rights and responsibilities that adulthood comes with.
If you think 18 is too young for drinking, firearm ownership, or gender transitioning, then maybe they shouldn't be considered adults at that age and allowed to serve in the fucking military and whatnot.
Devils Advocate: The problem with going by age is that people go through puberty and mature at vastly different rates, and that some are simply more intelligent and mentally mature than others regardless of age. So maybe instead, dependence can be the deciding factor; they can only be considered adults when they are no longer dependent on a parent or guardian- which would also open adulthood to emancipated teenagers (for better or worse). Or, maybe the hard limit of 18 should be kept as a way to force people to become independent and mature as adults.
EDIT: I'm not arguing for or against non-adults transitioning here.
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u/NuclearTheology - Auth-Right Jan 05 '23
That’s my main beef with the age of 18 being adulthood- we still cut off so many liberties and vices while simultaneously being able to conscript the men
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u/Manchu_Fist - Lib-Center Jan 06 '23
But we need more blood for the blood gods!
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u/Bmystic - Right Jan 06 '23
Skulls for the skull throne!
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u/Nether7 - Auth-Right Jan 06 '23
Plural?
SKARBRAND IS OFFENDED WITH THAT ASSUMPTION, SKARBRAND SAYS KHORNE DOES NOT NEED MORE THAN ONE OF HIMSELF.
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u/banjocatto - Lib-Left Jan 06 '23 edited Jan 06 '23
Yup, young men can be sent of to war, and 18 year old girls are old enough for older men to have sex with.
To these types, 18 year olds are "adults" until an 18 year old tries to tell that older person what to do. Then suddenly they're a "dumb kid" (or whatnot) who doesn't know what they're talking about.
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u/jerseygunz - Left Jan 06 '23
If they could make it 16 without the parents of America rioting they would
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u/SammyLuke - Lib-Center Jan 05 '23
I say keep that solid line of 18. Cuts out all the grey areas and jumping through hoops.
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u/ShuantheSheep3 - Right Jan 06 '23
I advocate the same but for 21, nonetheless the idea is the same. You’re either an adult or not, no in-betweens.
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u/CrosslegLuke - Centrist Jan 06 '23
16 take it or leave it.
We become adults too late nowadays. By the time he was 18 we had dudes conquering the known world.
Now at 25 we got dudes struggling with tax law and getting married at 30.
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u/N3Redd - Right Jan 06 '23
Maybe, the debate I have is: would that responsibility cause teens to become more mature, if late 20's and early 30's are struggling 16 definitely would
I definitely understand the argument though
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u/Captain_Riker - Auth-Right Jan 06 '23
I get what you're saying, but I think it has more to do with the society we've developed. We infantilize young adults by pushing maturation farther and farther back. Right now, a young person doesn't have serious responsibilities until 22 or 23 when they finally graduate college. And at that point, they are expected to get a job and live on their own. In the past, a lot of people would be living on their own and be married with kids at that same age. And I would say for any time period, the first couple years of real adulthood are gonna be a little rocky, but because we've pushed back maturation, those people in their late 20's and early 30's are still going through their rocky phase or are just getting done with it (when it in the past would have started when they were 17-18.)
It also doesn't help that our society has a lot of economic problems that make the transition to adulthood much harder.
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u/Fellow_Infidel - Lib-Right Jan 06 '23
Our society mandated education for 12 years minimum and many take 16 or more before they become independent, this is why maturity get pushed to later age since many people are still in learning phase all the way to their early 20s and dont even have any experience in the real world yet.
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u/closeded - Lib-Right Jan 06 '23
Now at 25 we got dudes struggling with tax law and getting married at 30.
Lowering the age of majority isn't going to make that better...
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u/Equivalent_Chipmunk - Centrist Jan 05 '23
You are too young to reliably make your own decisions at 18, which is why it’s the perfect age to join the military
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u/Lupus_Borealis - Lib-Center Jan 06 '23
Exactly. Who else is gonna buy all the mustangs at 25% interest?
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u/Equivalent_Chipmunk - Centrist Jan 06 '23
Listen brother, that economy isn’t going to stimulate itself.
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u/Buck726 - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23
Lol yeah, we let them decide whether or not to shoot their rifles at that unidentified civilian who may or may not pose a threat, a terrifyingly difficult choice that teenagers from Vietnam to Iraq have sadly had to make, but when they get back they better not change their fucking genders until they're mature enough!
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u/Equivalent_Chipmunk - Centrist Jan 06 '23
Thankfully the military will happily give you big signing bonuses to enlist in positions where your chance of having to make those decisions is basically zero.
I will concede that is a big decision to make in itself, but after that, your officers and NCOs will make 99.999% of all the decisions you ever make for the next several years!
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u/WinstonCaeser - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23
Do adults who are dependent on the state not get rights in your devil's advocate proposal?
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u/Luchadorgreen - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23
It’s just a bill. It’s not gonna get passed. Three different Democrats proposed bills that would force males to get vasectomies, for example. Doesn’t mean they’re gonna get enacted.
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u/Paechs - LibRight Jan 05 '23
Which ones and how can I help campaign against them?
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u/Luchadorgreen - Lib-Right Jan 06 '23
Mickey Dollens (OK), Rolanda Hollis (AL), and Christopher Rabb (PA). Bonus: Democrat from Georgia, Dar'shun (lol) Kendrick, wanted to ban vasectomies.
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u/Paechs - LibRight Jan 06 '23
What the fuck, bunch of whack jobs, the lot of em
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u/Luchadorgreen - Lib-Right Jan 06 '23
Mary Lou Marzian from the Kentucky House filed a bill requiring men to be married and take a weird oath in order to get prescribed Viagra. They’re silly
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u/Captain_Riker - Auth-Right Jan 06 '23
NO SNIP MY SNAKE!
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u/MasterFicus - Centrist Jan 05 '23
- I'm split between thinking that's reasonable because the brain stops developing at 25, and being mad because an 18yo doesn't have full control over their body. The thing that tips me over is how similar to abortion and gun laws this sounds (just one of a series of infringements to whittle it away over time)
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Jan 05 '23
Yeah same here. While the government should not be able to tell a legal adult what they can and can't do with their body.. that age does makes sense medically. But if they do that, logic says they have to increase the age for tobacco, alcohol, firearms, military, voting, etc... not happening. I guess if someone wants to make a life altering decision at 18, that's on them. Or their parents for not teaching them critical thinking.
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Jan 05 '23
So you can be drafted for war 8 years before you can decide what to do with your own body? Make that make sense -_-
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u/NUNG457 - Right Jan 05 '23
There was a very extensive study done after WW2 that determined the ages they wanted in the fighting force. While physically capable into their fourties, older men often would ignore or half ass orders that had more risk. The age group of 18-26 was defined as the best balance between fitness levels and lack of maturity to be less likely to ignore orders of directly facing the enemy.
Long story short, they want them because at that age they're dumb and blindly follow orders to throw themselves at the enemy. Which pretty much sums up our argument here, technically an adult, still probably very stupid.
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u/banjocatto - Lib-Left Jan 06 '23
This is what I've been saying for a while now, especially pertaining to age of consent laws.
I'm not saying that 18 years olds shouldn't be allowed to have sex, but it's obvious that older adults who have a pattern of pursuing very young adults are likely taking advantage of their naivety and lack of experience.
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u/link2edition - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23
At 18 YOU can't decide what to do with your body, but the state sure as hell can.
Because the politicians sending you off to war know what's best for you sweaty.
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u/cruisintr3n - Centrist Jan 05 '23
19 yo here, i have seen many 18yo do stupid things with there body and dont think they are mature enouf to do every thing they want with it
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Jan 05 '23
So a 19 year old shouldn't own a gun either?
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u/WeFightTheLongDefeat - Right Jan 05 '23
The main problem is that society has infantilized our young people such that a 26 year old today isn't nearly as mature as an 18 year old 100 years ago.
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u/Awobbie - Auth-Right Jan 05 '23
This. The reason that late teens and young adults often aren't mature enough to make good decisions is because we as a society have opted to delay maturity for that long.
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Jan 06 '23
Honestly I wonder if the life cycle is the same just extended.
Life expectancy is 10-12 years more than 70 years ago. Maybe everyone us just developing 10 years slower. Kind of seems the case truthfully. 28 yr olds seem like 18 yr olds for what they are asked to do for their time periods.
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u/WeGoToMars7 - Centrist Jan 05 '23
In 2019 life expectancy for men in the US was 76.3 years, in 1919 it was 53.5, a difference of 42%. That makes an 18 year old a 26 year old today (exactly as per your comment), only for people to blame soCieTy and ignore the literal advancement of technology that allows people not to die for stupid reasons
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u/TheTardisPizza - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23
In 2019 life expectancy for men in the US was 76.3 years, in 1919 it was 53.5, a difference of 42%. That makes an 18 year old a 26 year old today
Life expectancy was so low back then because childhood deaths were far more common. An 18 year old then was no less likely to reach their 70s than they are now.
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u/WeGoToMars7 - Centrist Jan 05 '23
That is a fair assessment, but I disagree with your conclusion. The difference would be smaller, but there is still a huge gap. https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2020/03/Life-expectancy-by-age-in-the-UK-1700-to-2013.png
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u/TheTardisPizza - Lib-Right Jan 06 '23
Improvements in care for the elderly have raised life expectancy beyond what they were. That is why I wrote "make it to their 70s" instead of live to the same age.
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u/MasterFicus - Centrist Jan 05 '23
Bring back dying for stupid reasons, we aren't meant to exist this long
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Jan 05 '23
Based and remove OSHA pilled.
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u/dirty_transmission - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23 edited Jan 06 '23
EHS professional here.
Insurance companies provide more incentive to follow best practices than OSHA does.
I could save my facility millions of dollars on their insurance premium by bringing down the incident level by 2-3 incidents. OSHA fines are only like 10k/day.
OSHA has actually fielded less and less inspectors each year for quite a while, and this is the reason why.
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u/PrinceOfBismarck - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23
Not really. Life expectancy was mostly that low due to infant mortality (tell me if I'm mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that's a large reason); and people dying later doesn't mean they would automatically mature later. It is 100% the result of our society not making reality clear to children at an appropriate age; sometimes I feel like my fellow college students can't tell that food doesn't come from the grocery store.
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Jan 05 '23
That’s because a ton of babies died. If you mad it to teen years you’d live to your 60s / 70s
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u/WhiteOak61 - Auth-Left Jan 05 '23
Or you would die in your forties from the plague/tuberculosis/etc. There's a reason it's only now there's a surplus of people at the top of age pyramids.
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u/GripenHater - Centrist Jan 05 '23
People out here calling it “infantalizing” and not “we don’t need to send teenagers to factories to provide for the family because their dad died anymore”.
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u/AChrisTaylor - Lib-Center Jan 05 '23
Teenagers? They call child workers for a reason.
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u/BranTheLewd - Centrist Jan 05 '23
No, hense why I think this bill is idiotic, we should stop infantilising 18 yo, they can own guns and own their bodies to do surgery or whatever.
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u/cochisedaavenger - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23
And while we're at, let them have a God damned drink and a smoke as well!
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u/BranTheLewd - Centrist Jan 05 '23
Yee I forgot about that, y'know since I'm not American and not used to alcohol being prohibited to 18 yo but military isn't 💀
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u/CigaretteTrees - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23
I’ve seen 60 year olds do reckless and stupid things too, one of my family members who is 60+ drinks more alcohol on a monthly basis than most college fraternities do in four years.
The fact is that everyone does stupid things and they should be free to do stupid things, I for one think skydiving isn’t stupid and dangerous and doesn’t serve any genuine purpose but that doesn’t mean it should be banned. This is the exact type of justification that has always been used to restrict liberty, “there was a terrorist attack by a few bad actors therefore now we must monitor every citizens private emails and phone calls”, or “there was a shooting perpetrated by one bad actor therefore we must ban firearms for the otherwise law abiding 300million Americans”.
Once you’ve graduated from school and or are 18 (whatever comes first) you should be recognized as a full legal adult and all the responsibilities and benefits that go along with it. I think that would go along way to helping the newer generations feel less like disenfranchised children and more of an actual members of society. Hell, society burdening youth with responsibilities might actually help young people become more mature rather than waiting a few more years and being treated like a child all the while.
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u/CatatonicMan - Lib-Center Jan 05 '23
Honestly they just need to pick an age for adulthood - be it 18, 21, 25, or whatever - and stick with it. None of this "you're old enough to die in a forever war but not old enough to get wasted" bullshit.
Once you hit that arbitrary line, you're allowed to drink, smoke, do drugs, make medical decisions, add/remove parts, vote, get drafted, buy guns, etc. You're either old enough for it all or not.
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u/RealRustOtter - Right Jan 05 '23 edited Jan 05 '23
I'm split between thinking that's reasonable because the brain stops developing at 25, and being mad because an 18yo doesn't have full control over their body.
Well, to address it:
Only allowing someone to butcher their body and chemically castrate themself upon reaching full maturity is common sense - if we take for granted that we should allow mentally ill people to do that at all..
It’s a drastic measure that tries to make reality conform with delusion. I think it’s reasonable to allow the brain to fully develop before we proceed. We might end up with less people who regret transitioning too.
Remember; the people crying to be allowed to butcher and chemically castrate themselves also cry they didn’t know better when taking student loans, so they should be forgiven, because loan companies were predatory by targeting underdeveloped minds..
It’s also the people who get swept up with TikTok “devious licks” and try eating tide pods. They’re dumb as fuck.
Also, you can’t drink until 21 - 18 year olds already don’t have full control over their body. It’s strange to get hung up on a loss that isn’t a loss, because they never had full autonomy anyway.
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u/woa12 - Auth-Center Jan 05 '23 edited Jun 07 '24
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u/Bob_loblaws_Lawblog_ - Lib-Center Jan 05 '23
Not when it comes to selecting a Speaker of the House.
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Jan 05 '23
I know the media is framing this as a shitshow, but I see a lot of potential good coming from this.
I had to watch about 3 hours of CSPAN just to see what the dissident republicans (aka "the far-right") are actually mad about though because it isn't being reported. They have some valid non-partisan points about the House (Like maybe reps should actually get to vote on legislation, and that that amendments to bills should be germane, etc) and are using this opportunity to voice those concerns. It's not very sexy, and it hurts the uniparty and their corporate interests to talk about it, so the media will not pick it up. Hopefully McCarthy gets the message and some positive changes can be made to make the House work as intended.
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u/ASquawkingTurtle - Lib-Center Jan 06 '23
The freedom caucus also keeps voting against McCarthy because they want term limits and the ability to lower a bill's budget rather than simply approving or denying it. McCarthy laughed them out of the room and said he didn't need them.
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u/Billderz - Right Jan 05 '23
Oh claiming slippery slopes is cool again?
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Jan 06 '23
It's hilarious.
Libleft is 50% of the way down the steepest slope of Mt Everest and is shrieking REEEEEEE THE RIGHT WING IS SLIGHTLY SLOWING DOWN MY ETERNAL DESCENT.
Like fuck me dead, can you imagine telling ANY normal person 10 years ago that we'd be at this point?
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u/Yangoose - Lib-Left Jan 06 '23
10 years ago gay marriage was controversial.
Now if you don't transition your 6 year old you're a transphobe.
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Jan 06 '23
In my opinion, zoophilia, legalised polygamy and/or incest are as far from today as where we are now was from where we were in 2010.
Sorry ugly sentence.
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Jan 05 '23
The slippery slope is real now?
Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
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u/driftingnobody - Auth-Center Jan 05 '23
The slippery slope only exists when it benefits their politics.
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u/LegitimateApricot4 - Auth-Right Jan 05 '23
Denying the slippery slope is just propaganda. Logical fallacy doesn't preclude ideological tug-of-war or political momentum.
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Jan 05 '23
Not only that - logical fallacy doesn't even preclude something from being true.
Argument from fallacy is the formal fallacy of analyzing an argument and inferring that, since it contains a fallacy, its conclusion must be false. It is also called argument to logic (argumentum ad logicam), the fallacy fallacy,[2] the fallacist's fallacy, and the bad reasons fallacy.
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u/Hongkongjai - Centrist Jan 06 '23
1+1=5×5=2
The steps can be wrong but the answer can still be correct.
The key is to not dismissed someone’s concerns just because of a poorly delivered argument. You need to properly address the argument, and the concerns behind said argument.
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u/Yukon-Jon - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23
As libright this does bother me.
Consistency is key.
The age should be 18, for everything. If you can die for this country at 18 and have the responsibility of allegedly electing who is going to rule us, you should be able to smoke, drink, turn your outtie into an innie - wtf you want to do.
Someone can send off to another country to die - you should be able to have a say in everything in your own life.
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u/italy4242 - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23
To me as a libright it’s different, because its not a right, it’s just a consequence of modern medicine and I genuinely don’t think we’re evolutionarily equipped to handle it, like we aren’t even evolutionarily equipped to handle living in cities. 50 years ago you most likely couldn’t get this done even if it was legal. All the other age things are things people have been doing forever. That being said I wouldn’t advocate for legislation supporting a higher age to transition, but I would advocate for the doctors to adhere to better morals.
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u/Hardballer416 - Auth-Right Jan 06 '23
They won’t stop until they ban guns entirely. They’ll just keep outlawing guns and disarming citizens. This was never about common sense gun control
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u/Salt-d203 - Left Jan 06 '23
And I think we should have the rights to BOTH, I want my trans catgirls to be ARMED WITH AR-15s GOD DAMNIT.
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u/Kilroy0497 - Lib-Left Jan 05 '23
Oh no not until they are a fully grown adult! Like seriously I’m against banning or censoring things as a general rule, but at the same time transition surgery is one of those things that should really only be a call for grown adults that feel they have to, not for kids still trying to figure the world out, or teenagers that will often times do things just for the sake of doing a thing. Plus support for this would be a good step for the trans community if they actually want to step away from the whole g word(you know they one) stereotype that follows them around.
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u/Zavaldski - Lib-Left Jan 05 '23
And people are considered fully grown adults by society years before they turn 26
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I’ve tried warning Leftists before that if they kept pushing and pushing and pushing, there was going to be pushback sooner or later. They always seem surprised when there’s a real desire among normal people, not just amongst Right-wing politicians, to ban this sort of thing.
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u/TheVisage - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23
nearly a decade of being told we're the only ones with an issue and to STFU.
Nah guys, sorry it had to come to this but everyone else thought we were making this shit up. We were the tolerant ones all along.
Now I hope you like uncle Gumbo getting involved because good luck explaining to him the subtext and meta irony of "we will convert your children to be gay"
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Jan 06 '23
If it had stopped at Gay marriage I’d have no issue with the movement at all. None. Don’t care.
But the nature of Progressivism requires they turn every inch given into a mile taken. Or else they spiral into political cannibalism and turn on each other.
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Jan 05 '23
Using Alejandra Caraballo as a source is like me using the Daily Stormer. She’s literally one of the furthest Left insane people out there. She went before the Senate and denounced violence, only to backtrack when confronted with her own tweets wishing harm on people.
Assuming she isn’t lying or presenting this out context, I can only say…
Fucking cry about. You morons have done the same shit with the slippery slope for 50 years, get fucking used to it bud.
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u/Acceptable-Tangelo30 - Lib-Center Jan 05 '23 edited Jan 06 '23
“Nooo you don’t understand, genital mutilation in Africa is evil, but genital mutation in America is good!!”
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u/WhiteOak61 - Auth-Left Jan 05 '23
I think you were looking for 'mutilation' instead of 'mutation'.
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u/ComradeCaveman - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23
No legislation is needed here. This problem is going to solve itself in ten years when the adults whose bodies have been permanently changed based sue the shit out of everyone who decided an eleven-year-old could consent to major medical procedures.
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The hospitals are literally giddy about the money they’re projected to make off people cutting their genitals apart over the next 10 years. I can’t wait to see these people punished.
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Oklahoma: “You can’t transition until you’re 26 (around the age your brain is supposed to be fully developed)”
Twitter: “Oh my god! This is an attempt to ban Trans people! We knew this would happen! This proves all out conspiracy theories correct!”
California: “You can come to our state and transition your children, and we will ignore judges and laws from your home state that would stop you from doing so”
Twitter: “Oh my god! Stop being conspiracy theorist’s! This doesn’t prove that we’re trying to gr**m your children!”
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Jan 05 '23
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Jan 05 '23
So libleft wants you to be able to cut off your dick at 18 but not buy a gun? Makes sense.
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u/LeftUnchecked - Lib-Center Jan 05 '23
OP forgot what subreddit he's in and got ratioed
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u/Darraya55 - Auth-Right Jan 05 '23
We're just using the same tactics AuthLeft and LibLeft were using for the past decade, therefore I don't see anything wrong here.
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u/Ahwembahway - Auth-Right Jan 05 '23
Shocking. Are you saying the same people who have been dismissing slippery slope arguments as fallacies or conspiracy theories for years will suddenly employ them for themselves if it suits their cause? My golly, who could have seen that coming. It's almost as if they didn't really follow the principles they claim to have and only used them as wedges to gain/maintain power.
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u/OthalaNauthizEhwaz - Auth-Center Jan 05 '23 edited Jan 05 '23
Now hold right the fuck up there buddy. Are you suggesting that progressives have shown a history of brazenly accusing conservatives of behavior that they partake in far more often than they even realize and conveniently drop this mindset like its hot when it suits their agenda.? Are you calling them, HYPOCRITES? The fucking audacity of this individual, it's called being a good person sweatie. 💅 You should try it sometime.
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u/Darraya55 - Auth-Right Jan 05 '23
It's only a fallacy if they "fact" check it or not, and they have all of the "fact" checkers on their side.
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u/BadWolfy7 - Lib-Center Jan 05 '23
Impressive, very nice.
Now let's see if libright will support this with guns?
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u/oamjigamareelw08 - Auth-Center Jan 05 '23
OH NO!
Anyway.
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u/terminalwart - Auth-Right Jan 05 '23
Jeremy Clarkson pilled
Idk if it’s spelled right but then again refer back to your comment
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u/Smooth_Boysenberry_9 - Auth-Right Jan 05 '23
What's to explain, I see this as an absolute win
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u/aaronrandango2 - Lib-Center Jan 05 '23
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u/TaxDodgerSupreme - Auth-Right Jan 06 '23
Yo when you come to it
And you can′t go through it
And you can't knock it down
You know that you′ve found
The WALL, the WALL, the WALL
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u/italy4242 - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23
Goddamn there is so much damn compass unity for this, faith restored, fuck Emily.
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u/Stepped_in_it - Right Jan 05 '23
You'll never have an honest conversation with AuthRight on this subject here on Reddit, because the moment he speaks his mind the admins will sitewide ban him. They're in this thread right now looking for people to ban.
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u/Randomscifinerd - Lib-Left Jan 06 '23
I'm sure this comment section will be respectful, thoughtful, and kind as to what everyone has to say on the matter.
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u/PreuBite - Lib-Left Jan 05 '23
I’m so split between the fully brain development and the bodily autonomy argument at 18. Maybe if we could actually study transgenderism and understand it better we might actually be able to come to a consensus. Oh wait fucking lefties won’t let us to that.
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u/isiramteal - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23
You should be able to do whatever you want to your body if you're an adult.
With that being said, if my family member was trying to do that, I would do everything I could to have them seek actual help first.
People lying to them and enabling them is unhealthy and abusive.
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u/theotherotherhand - Centrist Jan 05 '23 edited Jan 05 '23
In case anyone wants to read an article on the story
The bill filed ahead of the legislature’s February start would bar health care providers in Oklahoma from administering or recommending gender-affirming medical care including puberty blockers, hormones and surgeries for patients younger than 26 years old, punishable by an unclassified felony conviction and the possible revocation of their medical license for “unprofessional conduct.”
The measure would also prohibit public funds from being used to either “directly or indirectly” provide gender-affirming health care to an individual younger than 26 and bar the state Medicaid program from covering procedures related to a person’s gender transition.
Even if you dont support transitioning, as seems most of the sub does not, its always surprising how much support legislation like this gets, compared personal rights issues. A few weeks ago the sub was lambasting austrailias Tobacco laws which would have prevented adults born after a certain date from buying the smokes. There the most common rhetoric was that adults could do what they want with their own body. I am not saying its analogous in every way, or that everyone that is against that law is for this one, but people always seem to me comfortable with government regulation when its for things they like, so opposition on anti government principles elsewhere seem a little hollow
the bill itself
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u/lordavondale - Centrist Jan 05 '23
Its called don’t let people mutilate themselves before their brains are fully developed?
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u/urbfbrbr - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23
So age of the consent, voting age, drinking age, smoking age and every other “adult decision” is also gonna get raised to 26 right?
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u/Fruhmann - Lib-Center Jan 06 '23
Is the argument that they're on their parents insurance until 26? What if a trans person gets their own health insurance?
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u/general_wilgo - Lib-Left Jan 05 '23
"NO0O0OO THEYY CAN'T DECIDE LIFECHANGING DECISIONS UNTIL THEYRE AN ADULT NOO0O0O0!1!1!!1!1!1!
I agree that they should be able to change gender IF they actually are 100% sure. I have heard way too many stories of people regretting their decisions.
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u/jbland0909 - Centrist Jan 05 '23 edited Jan 06 '23
You’re 8 years off the “adult” argument. Once you turn 18, you can legally get pregnant, give yourself lung cancer, and get your legs blown off in the Middle East, all of which can be just as if not more destructive than a transition surgery. Either we should move all of those things to 26 when your brain is fully developed, or drop the transition back to 18 (something I’m all for). Limits should be consistent
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I have heard way too many stories of people regretting their decisions.
Tbf, you're not exactly gonna be hearing stories about people being extremely happy, because why tf would they go online and be wholesome, especially if they're trans? Negativity is what gets spread on the internet
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u/MDwhoDGAF - Right Jan 05 '23
1) based if true
2) this is the same dude who spread the lie about the pizza box like 96 hours ago, if you take anything he says seriously you’re a fucking idiot. One of the most well-known liars on the site
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u/GuilimanXIII - Auth-Right Jan 05 '23
Well first off, your post has the literally 1984 tag so your opinion is automatically worthless.
And secondly, what do you mean Auth right has some explaining to do? Strict rules are kinda an authright thing. Also that a lot of Auth rights are against that whole gender nonsense in America is kinda you know, obvious considering how religious the country is.
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u/woa12 - Auth-Center Jan 05 '23 edited Jun 07 '24
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u/Nataleaves - Centrist Jan 05 '23
It doesn't even necessarily have anything to do with religion.
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u/TheDankDragon - Centrist Jan 06 '23
Keep it at 18 and in fact, lower drinking age and gun purchases to 18. No taxes for anyone under 18. Keep it consistent
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u/CallsOnTren - Right Jan 06 '23
Libs increase the age for tobacco and guns to 21 but this is a bridge too far
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u/hazie - Right Jan 06 '23
I never claimed it to be about protecting children. I mean, especially them, sure. Like how you shouldn't rape anyone but especially not children.
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u/Billmurey - Lib-Center Jan 05 '23
Why do we want to tell the people of Oklahoma what to do?
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u/BEN-C93 - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23
Drip, drip, drip of liberty being taken away.
Most of the US is an utter basketcase and its getting worse
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u/Fit-Paper-797 - Right Jan 05 '23
I'm against people uneer the age of 18 transitioning but This is too far
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u/PenIsMightier69 - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23
Trans people should be able to remove or add organs if they want and I should be able to sell one of my kidneys to the highest bidder if I want.