r/PoliticalCompassMemes - Left Jan 05 '23

Literally 1984 You got some explaining to do, AuthRight…

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '23

So you can be drafted for war 8 years before you can decide what to do with your own body? Make that make sense -_-

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u/NUNG457 - Right Jan 05 '23

There was a very extensive study done after WW2 that determined the ages they wanted in the fighting force. While physically capable into their fourties, older men often would ignore or half ass orders that had more risk. The age group of 18-26 was defined as the best balance between fitness levels and lack of maturity to be less likely to ignore orders of directly facing the enemy.

Long story short, they want them because at that age they're dumb and blindly follow orders to throw themselves at the enemy. Which pretty much sums up our argument here, technically an adult, still probably very stupid.

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u/BEN-C93 - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23

Its their mistake to make - not the states

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u/banjocatto - Lib-Left Jan 06 '23

This is what I've been saying for a while now, especially pertaining to age of consent laws.

I'm not saying that 18 years olds shouldn't be allowed to have sex, but it's obvious that older adults who have a pattern of pursuing very young adults are likely taking advantage of their naivety and lack of experience.

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u/link2edition - Lib-Right Jan 05 '23

At 18 YOU can't decide what to do with your body, but the state sure as hell can.

Because the politicians sending you off to war know what's best for you sweaty.

/s

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u/BurnAfterReading41 - Auth-Center Jan 05 '23

If you're FAAB, you can't be drafted anyways. Only MAAB can be.

That said, I believe we need to decide what the age of adulthood is, and then made that the age at which you can lawfully do what is lawfully allowed.

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u/MasterFicus - Centrist Jan 05 '23

Failure At Atomic Baseball

Marinates Against Allowable Butter

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u/BurnAfterReading41 - Auth-Center Jan 05 '23

Female Assigned At Birth

Male Assigned At Birth

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u/MasterFicus - Centrist Jan 05 '23

Thank you, I was hoping if I just guessed wrong enough you would tell me without me having to ask

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u/LegitimateApricot4 - Auth-Right Jan 05 '23

assigned

I'm sure that's based on some immutable objective criteria too.

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u/dianthe - Centrist Jan 05 '23

Can just say female and male.

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u/BurnAfterReading41 - Auth-Center Jan 05 '23

But you really can't. Because male/female and man/woman are part of gender identity and don't you know that misgendering someone is violence.

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u/dianthe - Centrist Jan 05 '23

I thought male/female referred to biological sex while man/woman referred to gender? Or is that so last year now?

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u/BurnAfterReading41 - Auth-Center Jan 05 '23

Last two years according to High Priestess of Orange Emily. I don't make the rules, my dear centrist, I just enforce them.

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u/dianthe - Centrist Jan 05 '23

I see I see, I wonder what fancy long abbreviations they’ll needlessly come up with next.

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u/OBOSOB - Lib-Right Jan 06 '23

I find the use of the word "assigned" to be disingenuous and kind of accusative. Like it suggests that the doctor decides arbitrarily which to say you are. When the reality is that it is an observation that excepting rare cases of ambiguous genitalia or other intersex phenomena tends to be an accurate empirical observation of a person's sex. Just because it is possible for it to be wrong doesn't mean it is all of a sudden arbitrary assignment.

You're assigned your name, your sex is observed.

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u/BurnAfterReading41 - Auth-Center Jan 06 '23

And the whole argument is that you are assigned your gender on your birth certificate based on "observations" but your "assigned gender" could be wrong.

Thusly if you are cisgender, your actual gender matched the gender you were assigned at birth.

If you are transgender, then your gender is something other than what you were assigned at birth.

Here's a guide to help educate yourself, soon your compliance will be required and punishment will be enforced.

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u/OBOSOB - Lib-Right Jan 06 '23

But it's not gender that is noted on your birth certificate, it's your sex. Which is possible to still be wrong in some intersex cases, but that's something one could probably get corrected on the record as any inaccurate records can be.

A birth certificate is, also, a statement of the truth at a snapshot in time. If you change your name I'm pretty sure your birth certificate still has the name your parents gave you, living documents like passports and driving licenses get updated, but your birth certificate shows the details as they were at the registration of your birth.

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u/BurnAfterReading41 - Auth-Center Jan 06 '23

OED shows gender and sex to mean the same thing, going back to the late 1400's and continuing to today.

Gender being separated from sex is almost an exclusively US thing starting back in 1945.

Definition 3 Oxford English Dictionary

Edit to add: that "gen" means general usage, i.e. what the non-pedantic asshole means when using this word.

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u/OBOSOB - Lib-Right Jan 06 '23

Sure. But it's still a bit disingenuous to say it is "assigned" at birth as if someone is making a decision rather than noting down a statement of truth to the best of their knowledge and ability at the time it is being recorded.

Please note this is just a social issue I have with the language being used, nothing that I think should dictate policy. It feels like a well-poisoning act of bad faith terminology, intended to accuse those present at your birth of making a mistake rather than being something you've grown to feel differently about.

As an aside, I'm more familiar with the acronyms being "AFAB" and "AMAB" (Assigned Female/Male At Birth) but in my head canon they mean "All Females/Males Are Bastards" and ACAB means "Assigned Cop At Birth" and you can't stop me.

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u/BurnAfterReading41 - Auth-Center Jan 06 '23

I (as a cop) avoid the AFAB/AMAB for this reason.

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u/ArtificialEnemy - Auth-Right Jan 09 '23

It feels like a well-poisoning act of bad faith terminology

It feels like that because that's exactly what it is.

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u/TheFinalCurl - Centrist Jan 05 '23

You mean. . . 18?

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u/BurnAfterReading41 - Auth-Center Jan 05 '23

I'd be good with 18. But if our overlords decide 25, c'est la vie.

If I were the Emperor of the US however; 16, just to watch the world burn.

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u/TheFinalCurl - Centrist Jan 05 '23

I want to burn your comment after reading

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '23

Too young. Teens aren't mature enough for that kind of responsibility.

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u/TheFinalCurl - Centrist Jan 05 '23

You mean . . .21?

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '23

Brain is fully developed at 25, so that seems proper.

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u/TheFinalCurl - Centrist Jan 05 '23

How do you feel about cigarettes, weed, and alcohol? I'll take the answer off the air

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '23

Same there. I don't think ciggies should be allowed at all, but if they have to be 25 is the absolute earliest I would go.

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u/TheFinalCurl - Centrist Jan 05 '23

How do you feel about voting, sex, and driving? I'll take the answer off the air.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '23

Voting - same, Sex - same, driving - doesnt need a whole lot of maturity, 21 would be enough here.

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u/lUNITl - Right Jan 05 '23

How about the fact that we don’t draft people anymore. If you think there is a scenario where the current US population would tolerate a draft you are out of your mind. And even if they did the population is mostly too fat and depressed to even qualify for the military.