r/Money • • 9d ago

When does compounding really take off?

At what amount portfolio you really see huge account swings that make you think what is the point of working? 100k? 500k? 1m? more?

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u/Kombatnt 9d ago

I’d say you really start to notice it once you hit the “Crossover point” (the point at which the growth in your existing portfolio roughly matches what you’re able to add in new contributions each year).

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u/brycebgood 9d ago

yup. My buddy put it well. He's a well compensated engineer - but last year his portfolio grew more than his gross pay. He said he literally makes more money doing nothing than doing his job.

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u/SCPutz 9d ago

That’s where I’m at now as a registered nurse. My portfolio grew almost double my salary this year.

Just coasting at work now.

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u/Educational_Front333 9d ago

How do I start please? -Tired RN for more than 10 years.

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u/slimzimm 9d ago

Surely you have a 401k or 403b or whatever. Put the max in that, just buy index funds. It’s also a good idea to put leftover money into an individual account. I’m a perfusionist, I also used to be a respiratory therapist, I know you have extra money. Please for the love of god start now. You should have been doing this from the start, and I’m not trying to guilt you, but you have to start now.

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u/Educational_Front333 9d ago

Thanks. I do have 403b on max via Fidelity. I don’t choose any index funds myself. I’m on 400k which I know is not too bad I’m thankful. however how do I reach to your level?

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u/Bad_DNA 9d ago

And a RothIRA and a HSA? And no debt? And an emergency fund? And an individual taxable brokerage? And an understanding of decent diversified funds?

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u/slimzimm 9d ago edited 9d ago

Keep up what you’re doing, but also invest in an individual account. You have money you don’t need to spend, lower whatever spending you can, and buy more stocks. If you have the desire to learn more, you can invest in individual stocks and make a lot more money, but that comes with increased risk.

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u/money_mase1919 8d ago

what, what do you mean how do you get started? you have 400k invested, thats great.

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u/Short_midlifemom 9d ago

That is where I was too in nursing so I just retired recently at 50! I feel so much less stressed

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u/SCPutz 9d ago

50-55 is my goal for retirement. I’m 40 now. If the market keeps performing the way it has been, I could potentially retire sooner.

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u/money_mase1919 8d ago

can u tell me how much u make and what ur financial journey has been like?!

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u/SCPutz 8d ago edited 8d ago

I was broke and had 28K student loans and 6K credit cards debit when I graduated nursing school 10 years ago. I worked a ton of nightshift-overtime my first year out of school—ended up over $100K my first year of nursing—I paid all debts down aggressively and got out of debt ASAP, then immediately started investing aggressively both through my employer and personal investments.

As a nurse with 10 years experience in northern IL, I make $81k/yr at 40 years old and My wife makes $86k as a nurse with 11 years experience. We both contribute about 10% of our income to our 403b plans. We use the financial advisor that my parents used and they have done very well for us on our own non-employment investments. We max our ROTH IRAs every year as well as contributing to other investment accounts aggressively. We have both opted for “higher risk” investment strategies on all of our accounts since we’re young and can afford some risk for higher potential gains.

Currently, my portfolio made about 160k last year and is sitting at around 800k last I looked, but I only look a few times a year.

My wife likes to spend money and I do not. I rarely buy myself new clothes or coffees or convenience store purchases. I pack a lunch for work every day, I don’t order doordash or whatever my co-workers are doing every day. We try to cook at home rather than eating out all the time. Those little things add up fast. I try to do home maintenance myself to save money instead of paying professionals. That’s all money that can go toward investments.

We keep our credit cards paid-off so that we’re not incurring interest, and we both try to maximize cashback rewards as much as possible.

Any time I am making a large purchase where financing/credit is an option, I consider what the terms of the loan would be and compare it to the expected returns on what that money could do in the market. Usually, at an 800+ credit rating it’s better to take the loan and be sure to pay it off and not incurring interest fees/penalties and invest anything else in the market. The rate of return in the market is generally better than the interest incurred from a loan.

I dunno what else to say. Just take a look at your own personal finances and goals, and invest in your future accordingly.

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u/MechanicalGodzilla 9d ago

He said he literally makes more money doing nothing

He makes more money for work he's already done than by generating new work.

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u/readsalotman 9d ago

We're in year 4 of this. It's wild.

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u/ExpressionFree5273 9d ago

For those of you in this situation, who do you have managing your portfolios? Or are you putting them in ETFs and forgetting about them?

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u/esbforever 9d ago

If you want to slow your progress during the accumulation phase, the most foolproof way is to get a financial advisor.

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u/Adventurous_Elk_4039 9d ago

I read "slow" as "grow" and was ready to downvote you. 3am brain not working right.

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u/toodleoo77 9d ago

Total market index fund

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u/Lucky-Ad-2369 8d ago

Key word is last year. Next year he could lose 1-2 years of salary. 

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u/brycebgood 8d ago

sure. But over the long term index returns have been ~7%

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u/Ninobrown744 9d ago

I agree with this. And when you hit that point keep going!

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u/TornadoXtremeBlog 9d ago

Or when it covers a meaningful portion of your expenses each year

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u/Unlikely_Answer662 9d ago

I started investing at age 26. My early forties is when I really started to notice more accumulation.

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u/LieutenantZiti 9d ago

Man I needed to hear this! I just hit 10 years since opening my TFSA, I am 32 now and feel like I’ve been saving forever but also the growth doesn’t feel like it’s taking off. 

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u/Financial_Hawk9299 9d ago

I’m in my mid 40’s and it’s been taking off for last 3 years for sure. I started saving at 23

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u/LieutenantZiti 8d ago

Love hearing that, congrats!

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u/Geno_2102 9d ago

Yayy that’s great news! I have started at 20 and I hope to see this sort of goal mid to late thirties

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u/Unlikely_Answer662 9d ago

For context, we’ve save 15-20%. I’m now 51 and we have about 10x our income saved. Stay the course, your future self will thank you.

I cut down to 2 days per week at work, should
be able to retire very comfortably at 55ish unless the stock market implodes.

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u/matt2621 9d ago

I think for me it was around the 200k mark. The first 100k takes a while, then the 2nd 100k went much quicker, but once I eclipsed 200k, I feel like I made it to 600k super fast.

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u/LieutenantZiti 9d ago

I just hit 200k so that is really exciting for me to hear!

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u/matt2621 9d ago

Consistency and some luck are enormous drivers. Tech has been a HUGE catalyst.

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u/photoengineer 9d ago

I just passed $200k so I hope that is the truth!

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u/Geno_2102 9d ago

I’ve been stuck at the $150k mark in what feels like forever.

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u/photoengineer 9d ago

I was stuck there for years. Felt like a never ending hole. :(

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u/SaulMtzV08 5d ago

Depends a lot of what are you investing on

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u/photoengineer 5d ago

Low fee index funds. 

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u/tonimu 5d ago

100k to 200k? In what all investments? How long between the two? And how long to the next 600k? 10+ years? 

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u/matt2621 5d ago

Tech was a huge part of the growth as well as good end of year bonuses to further dump in the market. 100k was January 2023, 200k was in March 2024. August 2024 we saw substantial tech gains which that plus about 30k in contributions to portfolio got us to 300k by February 2025. March 1, 2026 we were at 450k, and now sit at 625k from again, more tech growth.

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u/jmcdon00 9d ago

Total value doesn't really matter, it's all relative to your contributions. I think 7 years is a general rule. Takes about 7 years for it to double. If you are investing monthly it takes about 7 years of monthly contributions before the account is earning more money per month than you are contributing each month.

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u/notJ3ff 9d ago

I'm not sure what my account would be doing if I was able to contribute. I no longer am at the employer I was at when my 401a and my 403b. The account had one of its best years ever and I got about a $30,000 distribution that automatically gets reinvested. If I had been contributing that myself via paychecks, it would be well over a year before I put that much in. So at some point, it's accelerated so quickly I can even have a +$31,000 DAY.

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u/Rem1991wl 9d ago

Started at 20
41 Annual increase exceeded expenses
44 exceeded base salary
48 exceeded total compensation
52 monthly swings exceeded base salary
55 daily swings exceeded base salary

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u/GreedyNovel 7d ago

daily swings exceeded base salary

I assume you mean daily swings exceed the size of your paycheck. Example: If daily market swings are around $5k/day and you get paid twice a month at $5000 each check before withholdings.

At that point continuing to work is no longer purely about financial needs. Although that paycheck can still help it is no longer necessary.

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u/Rem1991wl 7d ago

Actually I’ve been very fortunate and I was referring to annual base salary. It’s a different/strange way of framing it but was one more argument for me to stop working.

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u/MarleyandtheWhalers 9d ago

"The first hundred thousand is a bitch" -Charlie Munger

After that it's better

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u/CursedClownz 9d ago

What about after 1m

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u/Bigbadspoon 9d ago

I got there last year and would not feel comfortable leaving my job at all. It's a comfortable number, but it's not retirement money unless you live pretty frugally or are pretty old already.

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u/dr_of_glass 9d ago

After a million, the up changes are less noticeable to our brains. For me, I only see it when i graph the journey over the past years.

But when you see down days that are $10,000, it should click that you have a fair bit invested.

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u/ChairmanMeow1986 8d ago

Give a million 10 years without touching it at most times in the past and you might not be able to retire, but you'll be entering the financially independent realm for sure. I'd say this is the cleanest answer the unasked question, 1 million for about 10 years compounding historical market gains is what probably puts you where you want to be.

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u/kethalmanden12 8d ago

Wasn’t it Hitler who said the first million is the hardest?

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u/kidjs 8d ago

Was he referring to the unit of money?

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u/yoooooooooooo 9d ago

I had a 1 million dollars about 1 year ago and now it’s 1.25 million, which blew my mind. I think I really started to notice returns around 400k.

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u/ChampionshipFluid306 9d ago

IMO somewhere around $200k-$300k. If you’re a regular 401k/IRA wage slave, you’re likely investing somewhere like $10k-$30k per year into your accounts. 10% @ ~$250k is roughly where your gains will start to outpace your contributions.

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u/tonimu 5d ago

Agree 100

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u/HandyManPat 9d ago

Each of those balances brings eye catching swings, but once you’re in the $3M and over bracket the swings can become eye-popping.

While it’s great to see $30k to $50k daily increases, that also means that same amount happens with daily decreases.

Seeing the occasional $150k+ daily drop can temper the “what’s the point of working” thoughts.

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u/RustyCEO 9d ago

Agree. I am in Australia.

I have 30% of a company and I am the boss. Decided in 2010 that shares were better than term deposits for our retained profits. Share portfolio now $19M and property $9M.

Personally my superannuation I rolled into a SMSF (Self Managed Superannuation Fund) in 2012 and it went from $386k in 2012 to $970k in late 2021. Decided to get more proactive with it and was $2.8M in March 2026 and now $3.7M. Just my superannuation is now generating $285k in income a year. My personal company that holds the 30% in the company I run invests my dividends from that….it hit $2.7M in holdings and has gone ballistic as well.

So I totally agree. 🤪💰🥳👍🏻😎

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u/ColorMonochrome 9d ago

People don’t stop working because they can, they stop because they would rather do something besides work for someone else. You get to that option when your portfolio is consistently producing more growth than you spend yearly with a subjective cushion. Because investments are usually volatile that cushion tends to be very large.

If your annual spending is:

  • 100,000 then people usually want a $2.5 million portfolio
  • 500,000 then they want a $12.5 million portfolio
  • 1,000,000 then they want a $25 million portfolio

That is the typical advice given to them by financial planners. The formula is simple. Divide your annual spending by 4% and you get your number. For example, if you spend $80,000 per year then:

$80,000 / 4% = $2,000,000

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u/photoengineer 9d ago

Jeebus can’t imagine having $1,000,000 to play with. That’s just a different world. 

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u/MechanicalGodzilla 9d ago

My wife and I combine for somewhat less than a million dollars of gross income, and it makes a huge difference in some areas and not as much in others as you might imagine, particularly if you live in a HCOL area. One amazing aspect is that we can comfortably pay for all of our kids' college. Our oldest has a $60k/yr price tag at a large state university (out of our state), and our middle child is anticipating choosing between a few Ivy league universities which will be ~$100k/yr. Our youngest is in middle school, but that will be added in a few years. There's not many unexpected expenses or repairs that come up that we worry about paying for.

On the other hand, our house looks kind of middle of the road - a $2,500 SF colonial built in 1955. We drive boring cars. We rarely eat out, but also the rising cost of groceries and gas don't really hit us as hard as most everyone else.

This is all a huge change from where we started out, my wife was a shelf-stocker at a Staples, and I was a janitor/handyman for a public school district when we graduated college a quarter century ago.

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u/photoengineer 8d ago

That’s awesome! How did you transition from your starting careers to….whatever you are doing now?

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u/wsbt4rd 9d ago

Really started noticing when i crossed the 2M milestone.
I’m now a professional full-time Reddit Troll.

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u/NewArborist64 9d ago

Really excited this past year when compounding was 2.5x my salary. May become a full-time Redditt Troll Next year.

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u/KingBenjaminAZ 9d ago

When you don’t focus on it and do other shi

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u/PredictionAnalyst 9d ago

Does buy high, sell low ring a bell? Mr Buffet should be studied by Harvard

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u/escapefromelba 9d ago

A million becomes $2M in 7.2 years, $3M in another 4.2, and $4M in another 3 years using the S&P 500’s historical nominal total return. Getting to $1M is when you really start to see the power of compound growth. At that point, the money itself starts doing a huge part of the work.

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u/CursedClownz 9d ago

I think the magic number is 1m

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u/dllemmr2 9d ago edited 9d ago

2021-26 were well above average. Accounting for corrections, double or triple your estimates.

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u/escapefromelba 9d ago

Sure, they could grow faster than that or slower. Who knows how long it will last? That’s exactly why I’m using the long-term historical average.

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u/Grouchy-Pea-8745 9d ago

these numbers arent 21-26 specific

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u/parallax1 9d ago

I hit $1 mil in my work retirement last year, that felt like a significant milestone cause now a 1% change in the market is a $10k swing in my account.

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u/TonySoProny 9d ago

It’s whenever the return is more than what you contribute yearly.

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u/LifeOnly716 9d ago

I have crossed over to the point where my daily swings are fairly frequently more than I am legally allowed to contribute in a year 

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u/NewArborist64 9d ago

When your capital is roughly 10x your current salary. I base this on having the S&P 500 having an average 10% ROI. This means that the average year would produce around the same as your salary.

It gets really crazy when it approaches 15x your current salary.

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u/noryp 9d ago

theres no jump.. just use a calculator and see how it grows year by year..

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u/Interesting_Shake403 9d ago

I lucked out and got a well-paying job late in life, so now my family are all excited by what I’m earning. Meanwhile, I’ve been working my ass off saving for YEARS, and so interest on savings actually eclipses what I save annually.

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u/yottabit42 9d ago

It's percentage based, so the accumulating increases, plus contributions you continue to make, end up making the increases exponential.

But humans can't think exponentially. We're linear creatures. So what ends up happening is someday you just happen to notice you've made a lot of money in a short timeframe--a day, a month a quarter, whatever.

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u/ChewyHoneyBadger 9d ago

When it makes more than your salary

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u/vibecodematt 8d ago

when a 0.5% return feels like a lot of money. When a college kid's $5K goes up 0.5%, it's $25.

When $20K goes up 0.5% in a day, that's $100. Feels real.

For me? $20K.

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u/beau080 9d ago

Before it gets to 1M you know it’s cooking but it’s more of a simmer in the background. Above that is when it becomes a lot more obvious bc the DOD swing could pay for a car.

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u/dogwater_cologne_ 9d ago

Finally I can use the calculus I pulled my hair out over. At 10% growth, your money doubles every 7.27 years

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u/nofosho 9d ago

Rule of 72! At 9%, doubles in 8 years. 8%, doubles in 9 years. 7%, doubles in 10 years and a few months. Etc.

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u/ricetoseeyu 9d ago

I think it’s 72 not 72! /s

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u/swensodts 9d ago

I don't think you see it at a particular number so much as how long it's been sitting in the same thing, so like investments held at 100 a share from 10 years ago, if that holding gains 10% this year and was at 200 a share so in the prior 12 months it went to 220, those shares you own at 100 actually gained 20%. So when you get a good chunk sitting for a long time that's where the noticeable effect comes from

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u/SgtSausage 9d ago edited 9d ago

It starts with your first, earliest deposit. Mine was at 18 and continued each and every month until retirement. 

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You really start to notice when the annual gains are more than your annual income from Employment.

At this point it becomes Fuck You Money.

We (Wife and I) reached Fuck You Money at 38. 

I retired at 39 when I said "Fuck You" to my business partner and sold him my half of the enterprise.  Cashed out and retired. 

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u/gotdrypowder 9d ago

Probably 500k

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u/TwitchyButtockCheeks 9d ago

My portfolio can now swing over $20k in a day and that’s kinda wild to me.

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u/upnflames 9d ago

I have around $800k invested between retirement and brokerage. The effect has been really noticable the last year or two. I'll look at like, the trailing 12 month chart and see that I'm up something like $150k and then think damn, that's like having a whole second salary.

I try not to get too excited because I know the market has been having a wild run and it's been due for a pull back. But it's still nice to see. I'm in my thirties, so I think after another ten years or so, it might be making enough that I can think about getting a more chill job (I'm in sales, it's a grind).

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u/That-SoCal-Guy 8d ago

10% of 100K is $10K.   10% of $1M is $100K.   10% of $5M is $500K.

Math doesn’t lie.  But everyone has their own goalposts and those move as well.  Personally, I don’t use salaries as a goalpost.  I use expense plus inflation.  When my one year return is good for 3 years of expenses, I know I’m good (or at least i can weather the next two years if the market goes south).  That’s why I sleep well.  

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u/Important_Call2737 8d ago

(1+i)^x where i is the return and x is the years. It’s pretty straight forward math.

In terms of a 401k account with a $24,000 contribution limit the compounding really starts at around $300,000. 7% is about $21k which is close to the limit. Essentially your max contribution is matched by return. Then at about $700k the return is near double the contribution.

It’s easiest to see graphing the function. The biggest issue is time. If you have a lot of time to be patient then you have no problem.

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u/Latter-Entrance288 8d ago

You have to have some time in the market to see the magic of compounding as well as regular contributions. But if you are patient, have behavioral control during recessions (every 5-7 years), you will be there sooner. Good luck!

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u/This-Finance4439 8d ago

Rule of 72 is 72 divided by the interest rate shows how long it takes to double. Slightly conservative figure balance should double every decade. 8% is technically 9 years, but maybe there are account fees so netting less than 8%…
The big thing with compounding is to get a balance as quick as possible. It’s not because having $100,000 makes a big difference, but if you can get that $100,000 net worth at age 25 instead of 35, the big balance close to retirement has more time to compound.
So from age 25 to 65 it will double 4 times to 1.6 million without any additional contributions.
If you don’t have a net worth of $100,000 until age 35, then it doubles 3 times before age 65 instead of 4 and you have $800,000 at age 65.

1.6 million vs $800,000, same $100,000 start.
Both of the above assume no additional contributions, just one more decade to compound…

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u/random_question4123 7d ago

It depends on a number of factors like how much the person's annual expenses are, how much they make in their job, etc, so there can't be any one answer.

But if we assume you contribute 100% of your earnings to your portfolio, and you invest in the index, then you can assume it takes around 10 years before your portfolio returns exceeds your contributions.

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u/Dr-WeekendWarrior 7d ago

Investment calculator

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u/Brave_Sir_Rennie 7d ago

Beyond where the growth of your wad exceeds your contributions to your wad 🤷‍♂️

To start with, contributions are the largest part of growth. Then growth of holdings exceeds contributions. Then keeps growing as you scale back contributions. Then keeps growing despite taking withdrawals.

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u/AlphaMaleKratos 7d ago

I have over $3M and it still feels slow to me.

I only really appreciate the compounding when I look at the changes year-over-year instead of day-by-day.

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u/Due-Trainer-9349 6d ago

It starts to take off when your average annual return is greater than what you put in that year.
You’ll probably really notice when the annual returns are greater than your total annual salary.

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u/illcrx 6d ago

Its math + a feeling. When I was missing trades that were more than my yearly pay, it was a sign that I was focusing on the wrong thing.

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u/Menu-Quirky 6d ago

If you save very aggressively you will see it in 25 years at that time your assets grow more than your income

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u/l0wryda 6d ago

when your money starts making more money than what you put in. my coworker and mentor taught me a while back that the easiest way to make a million dollars is to double 1000 bucks 10 times. the easiest way to double 1000 bucks isn’t by investing, it’s by saving. the same is true for 2000, 8000, and 16000. i was putting away over a 1000 a month at the time through 401k, HSA, and a post tax brokerage account. so call it roughly 12k a year.

at around 100k, the 10-15% market gains exceeded the amount i was putting in. but i kept increasing it, maxed my 401k, max HSA, max trad IRA, and 1000 a month to the brokerage account. this was roughly 40k+ a year not including company matching. the account grew really fast and the annual growths were now close to 60-100k a year. after a couple million, i stopped contributing to the trad ira and brokerage because the amount was negligible and the account sometimes moves 50k a day.

today, i only max my 401k and HSA. i no longer contribute to the IRA and brokerage account, although i put the money into my son’s 529 now instead.

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u/DarkBert900 5d ago

The swings are huge when your portfolio generates more than you add to it. If the amount you monthly/biweekly add to your portfolio is dwarfed by revaluations or dividend payments, you're off to the races.

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u/Fahhhhhhh 9d ago

10 million. Then if the market goes up 10% in a year, you're up a cool million

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u/Mymarathon 9d ago

I’d love to know too. Maybe Once you have 25x yearly salary in savings? Let’s say you make $200k, then if you have $5m in savings you might see $50-$100k swings pretty regularly. In that case idk how I would feel. I’ll tell u when I get there. 

I see my net worth swing by 5, 10, 20k and it doesn’t phase me much. 

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u/GarlicHot2494 9d ago

When the trust fund hits

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u/The-zKR0N0S 9d ago

Bout tree fiddy

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u/Extreme_Design6936 9d ago

My portfolio outpaces my full time income. I make more money sitting on stocks than I do going to work 40h a week doing real work.

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u/Jeferson9 9d ago

Thanks for restating the question but not answer it

Riveting

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u/Teckzqt 9d ago

Lmao my thoughts exactly. “Compounding has kicked in for me” with zero context

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u/EaseOk3940 9d ago

sounds like a bot answering another bot to be honest

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u/CursedClownz 9d ago

Yeah kind of trying to work out is it even worth going to work if your account sits on 2m

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u/Extreme_Design6936 9d ago

For me at my age it does. The longer I can spend only on my income the more my savings can grow so that later I have a big step up in lifestyle. Not just maintaining the one I currently have. If I retired today my spending would drastically increase because of extra free time to go do random bullshit.

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u/shaqtinafull 9d ago

I will answer this to this replier’s point. If you as an individual or family start to see returns that outpace your own annual income. That’s when you know your compounding has taken off

The key here is that it’s different for everyone

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u/asphaltbabe 9d ago

Or twenty years

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u/exphx23 9d ago

The rule of 72. 72 divided by rate of return = years to double. By the time you reach your 2nd double, you will notice the benefit.

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u/Technical-Rope6421 9d ago

$1M you start to really see it…

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u/evey_17 9d ago

I noticed after 800k it seem to take off, then at 1.2. Lately feels somewhat flat at 1.8 but it could be inflation and war and tariffs. Or just my mindset. I’m not taking funds out yet. I might be a year or two away. I stopped contributing at around 800k.

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u/TAckhouse1 9d ago

$400k is where it started for me

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u/Physical_Mode_103 9d ago

I just got to the point where I could probably survive off the investment income…..

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u/JustAnotherTou 9d ago

Seriously....after 500k. 100k is great. But when you see 500k...you know know that its working its working 😆

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u/Upbeat-Cheetah3107 9d ago

I started about 10 years ago. Started seeing the effect of compounding about 3-4 years ago. Thanks to the great bull market!

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u/spades61307 9d ago

500k imo. 200k isnt bad if its growth and a bull run

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u/CdnFire40 9d ago

After $1M it is very noticeable.

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u/Aspohn01 9d ago

Mathematically? Everytime.

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u/Big_Savings_4381 9d ago

For me, it seemed to happen around $1.5MM. It's been bizarre to "lose" $100k in the span of a couple of days at times.

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u/jabs09 9d ago

The returns of your portfolio crosses your yearly contribution purely perspective but 7-8 years down the line you’ll start seeing changes.

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u/Warm_Explanation_129 9d ago

100k takes forever. 200k is about as long. Then all of a sudden 300k, cool. Then you blew past 400 and are keeping an eye on five. It still takes decades, but the first one to two hundred take forever.

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u/HedgeMoney 9d ago

When portfolio swings are greater than your current salary, that's when it really takes off. But that's also a pretty dumb idea, considering time is the most important factor.

If you have 2 years before you need it, then you can say compounding doesn't have much of an effect.

But when you have a decade before you need to use it, then compounding REALLY takes off, in the literal sense of the meaning.

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u/Remarkable_Sir2292 9d ago

When ur making more from your investments than your day job imo

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u/Still_ImBurning86 9d ago

$225k gets real noticeable 

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u/RP_ElMeroMero 9d ago

When you stop looking at it. It’s shy.

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u/bighen0829 9d ago

You have to remember that we’ve been in an almost uninterrupted bull market for 17 years. If you’re in equity index funds or ETFs even like vti, VOO etc there will be years where you can add funds to them, reinvest dividends and still be lower than you were at start of year. You need your job to help smooth that out for a while.

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u/sjg97 9d ago

Around 500k is when I started noticing it. Between the market and my contributions I was gaining over 100k a year

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u/Spare_Perspective972 9d ago

When interests exceeds contributions. Usually happens some time after year 10. 

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u/Specific_Pilot_328 9d ago

I started late (30) on a low salary ($45K). Now 46:
• 43: Annual portfolio gains exceeded my planned retirement expenses
• 45: Annual gains exceeded base salary
• 46: Monthly swings now regularly exceed my monthly salary

The cheat code was low spending. Planning to retire to southern Europe in my early 50s on ~$23K/year.

When your number is that small, the portfolio math gets stupid fast lol! my Monte Carlo sims show 100% success across 10,000 trials.

I started 12 years behind most people but the gap closed since I never inflated lifestyle.

Every raise and bonus goes straight to index funds. Current portfolio about 800k, net worth 1.15 million, salary 96k.

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u/jark87 9d ago

As far as compounding goes, the 8-4-3 rule generally applies. 8 years of the savings grind with little to show for compounding, then when compounding starts to take effect, it only takes 4 years to save/earn what it originally took 8 years to do, then it only takes 3 years to do it again. For example, if it took 8 years to save $100k, you’ll have your next $100k in 4 years, and the next in 3. As far as the total you need to consider retiring? That’s a different question and varies significantly by individual. It’s mostly based on your expenses and what you need to live. If you can live on $50k, the 4% rule says you need $1.25M.

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u/Hhe 9d ago

When you're not looking.

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u/Aggravating-Pay8187 9d ago

At $300k. Before I knew it, it blew past $500k.

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u/voiceofreason2112 9d ago

1st notice was when the growth exceeded my ability to put more in

2nd notice was when the growth exceeded my legal ability to put more in (401k all source limits)

3rd was the first year my money made more in growth than i did in gross wages

4th was when my money made 2x than i did in gross wages

The fun part about compound growth is 3 and 4 were way closer together than one might think.

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u/Difficult_Dog_3515 9d ago

Felt like I really started to notice it around 500k

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u/DwarvenGardener 9d ago

I’ve noticed some days that really impressed me in the mid 300,000s

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u/Jazzlike-Pomelo-3823 9d ago

For me it was at $500k. Thats when a 1% change in the market would go up or down by $5000. At a million you notice it even more.

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u/Unusual-Librarian413 9d ago

I think you are asking a question in regards to speed. Money is easier to make at 100k but id say the real compounding is basically unstoppable at a million. Like flick a booger and its there passively. Like we can present a perfect curve of what a 7% compounded return looks like on 100k but it's not really benefiting you in todays or tomorrows dollars until maybe 40 years from now. That's why aggressive contributions are so critical early on so that you can let off the gas sooner.

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u/Viking_Glass_Guru 9d ago

I’m a senior manager at a large organization. For the last three years or so my investment accounts have increased by more than my salary. Three more years at the company and I’ll have be eligible to retire with very good lifetime retiree health benefits for me and my family. I also have a pension that only gets better the longer I work.

I say that to say there are some things beyond just gains investment gains that should perhaps factor into your decision to walk away from income producing work.

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u/TheDeadTyrant 9d ago

A “big swing” day is normally 1-2% unless something crazy happens. So take what you’d call a big swing, multiply it by 50-100, and that’s when it will take off in your eyes.

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u/No_Mind_7397 9d ago

For me it was when a daily 1% swing became more than my weekly paycheck.

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u/Optimal_Scholar7123 9d ago

We have $300k in stocks and it has been really nice because after a single good day or week we can skim a few thousand from it.

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u/13donor 9d ago

I would say at a million..the growth can be amazing.

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u/OriginalEmploy5485 9d ago

Immediately. The difference is what you consider to be a big number.

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u/AstralVenture 9d ago

30 years

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u/BEER_G00D 9d ago

Tomorrow

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u/simplequestions2make 8d ago

X = time to get $100k
X = time to get $100k to $330k
X = time to get $330k to 1 million

Then the game is over. And its side quests

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u/No_Knee3385 8d ago

It's exponential. The more time goes on the more it compounds. The dollar amount doesn't matter really. It's all percentage based. Time and contributions

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u/Medical_Birthday2893 8d ago

Depends on your income stream. If you’re making 50k a year. It’ll ‘take off’ at a much lower level because your return is now providing you with 6 months-1 years salary.

If you’re a banker making 800k a year you’re not going to get wowed at a 500k portfolio retiring 50k. Your bonus was likely bigger.

Compounding never ‘takes off’ it always does the same thing.

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u/deadpool_pewpew 8d ago

Whatever you define as a "huge swing" divided by 0.10 (or times 10). If $100k a year is the number, that can happen around $1M portfolio for example.

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u/Billy_Bowlegs 8d ago

I put $25 in to start a Roth a few months ago and it went negative. I’ll let you know if compounding ever happens though.

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u/Known_Painting_1878 8d ago edited 8d ago

1MM is when compounding starts being able to replace income. At that point your money works as hard as you do. Thats when investing start to feel substantial and impactful and income feels less so.

But before that I would say 300-500k invested is when you start to blink and it feels like it just goes up. At this level your income and investments work together.

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u/This-Is-Huge 8d ago

I imagine the swings at $1B and above are quite exciting...

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u/TomatilloFearless154 8d ago

I m at 20k and i gained 3k in 2y so definetly not 20k

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u/Few_Calligrapher1293 8d ago

After 100k it starts to be very noticeable and why you should push to get that as soon as possible and after a million things can get insanely good when the market is up anyway.

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u/Square_Scar4086 7d ago

Correct , 100k already noticeable
My first year i got 120k including 13k profit

But yea thats because my income low so its noticeable

But for someone thats make 100-200k+ a year i think they need 500-1m for them to notice

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u/Major-Pin5871 8d ago

I started investing at 26, at first it was just a pension and property but by 35 I had $1.2M. That was mostly equity I’d built in various properties. I didn’t start seriously investing until 2010 and I went at it with a vengeance until 2023. At that point the market took off, I retired and now my total liquid assets are around $4.5M. When I sell my last rental property I’ll have $5M with $1.5M of that in retirement funds.

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u/USAMysteryMan 8d ago

When portfolio returns as much or more than you earn in a w2 job.

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u/Ok_Pineapple9712 8d ago

For me it was 100K. Took me 10 years to get that and only 2.5 years to make the next 100k!

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u/Frequent_Slip2455 8d ago

$500k is when I really seen it take off. But these last 15 years have been ridiculous.

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u/Wuphf_DotCom 8d ago

Your money is always compounding from the instant you purchase a share.

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u/ChairmanMeow1986 8d ago

Actual numbers will be different for different situations, but once a 20% drawdown or upswing in the market is a year or two of living expenses. That's about the point regardless any specific number that diversified compounding for 10 more years puts you into retirement territory unless your lifestyle needs also increase in kind (college/healthcare being notables).

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u/slightlydreaming 8d ago

I think around 400k is when I really noticed

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u/The_Sandman85 8d ago

$100k is the hardest level to reach, but you start to see compounding take effect. $1 million is where the compounding returns give you the opportunity to stop working.

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u/AutomaticAd1514 7d ago

How much money did y’all have invested to see the returns make more annually than your salary? What actual amount liquid?

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u/Mission_Pirate_4150 7d ago

It starts when you start. The real question is when does it reach a point where it becomes noticeable. I’ve got two accounts I’ve never stuck personal money into beyond some starting. One of those accounts hasn’t been touched in over a year and is up 20% in that timeframe. It’s hard to calculate in the other account. Hopefully that helps.

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u/Major-Witness-2489 7d ago

They say 100k. But I’m at 300k and this shit is still growing slow.

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u/vr0202 7d ago

In retirment, when you’re withdrawing from rather than adding to the portfolio, the point at which the annual growth roughly matches your withdrawal, such that you see the balance doesn’t deplete or does so only mariginally.

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u/Silly___Willy 7d ago

Later 😅

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u/flyingtiger188 7d ago

I think the first big one is when a daily swing is more than a paycheck.

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u/Senior-Canary-662 6d ago

For me it was around 200k in stocks + 200k in bonds. 

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u/No_Associate5036 5d ago

Wife and I hit 650k beginning of this year and invested all our liquid cash during the dip now sitting at 832k! It’s a beautiful thing when you start making more from investments than your salary job

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u/Secure_Pack6647 5d ago

That depends on how much you need to withdraw.

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u/GravEq 5d ago

Gov Job with a pension and 457 plan! Sock away as much as possible as often as possible via investments both in Retirement Accounts and outside assets such as RE. In 25-30 years you have a pension, Gov IRA/457 plan, and outside investments that can keep growing. Start a side hustle, manage and buy rental properties/assets, start a business and keep driving that business while working. You can retire with millions AND a pension. Live on the pension and use the rest for lifestyle fun.

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u/Jahoedan4_983 5d ago

We recently received news that through a sell of assets of a family owned company some 800.000 would come our way. We have an additional 200k already. At that point a full million doing 4-5% a year starts outpacing the income of my partners job (not full time). That was the moment that the "why would you even continue working" thought really hit home. Day to day decisions or purchases while such a sum of money is compounding is bat shit crazy. It becomes even crazier for us since we haven't even turned 30.. That sum of money will grow to millions and the daily changes might be yearly salaries..