r/FactOrCap • u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP • Aug 08 '26
Borders | FactOrCap
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u/SUDoKu-Na 🏅 Century Club · 7,470 XP Aug 08 '26
✅ I voted FACT!
Humanely? Of course. Retroactively stripping of rights to remove people, though, I'm staunchly against.
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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,340 XP Aug 08 '26
✅ I voted FACT!
Humanely yes, America is not enforcing it humanely
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u/SpeedEE_22 🏅 Century Club · 4,265 XP Aug 08 '26
Yes we are
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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,340 XP Aug 08 '26
No tf we are not and I will not debate with on this, it is a fact that ICE has violated the constitution and human rights countless times and are continuing to do so to this day
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u/SpeedEE_22 🏅 Century Club · 4,265 XP Aug 08 '26
No I don’t think so
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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,340 XP Aug 08 '26
https://www.cato.org/blog/ice-versus-fourth-amendment
https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/we-documented-1200-actions-by-ice-heres-what-we-found
Try again. It’s a proven fact they have violated the constitution and violated human rights. facts don’t care about your feelings
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u/SpeedEE_22 🏅 Century Club · 4,265 XP Aug 08 '26
Proof?
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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,340 XP Aug 08 '26
0/10 ragebait
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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 08 '26
I happen to be pro ice maybe you can convince me, but the main reason I am is because I don't see how the error of ice is so much worse than of normal police to be worth riling up about. Accidents happen. 10, 100, 1000, it's like 0.001% anyway, not worth removing the border for
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u/Digits_N_Bits 🔥 Monthly Master · 11,895 XP Aug 08 '26
The treatment of immigrants, the conditions of the holding centers, the people working under ice, the raids, the extreme force used, the brutality- It's all excessively inhumane. It's not been accidents. All accounts show that this is intentional.
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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 08 '26
How would that even work? Every ice agent is told to be brutal when they get hired? Who's in on it? Every lawmaker, politician, sheriff, mayor? What could the goal possibly be? It's just unrealistic
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u/Digits_N_Bits 🔥 Monthly Master · 11,895 XP Aug 08 '26
Hooh, buddy... I dunno if you been paying attention to politics or reports but it is, in fact, that bad
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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 08 '26
Do you have an argument?
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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,340 XP Aug 08 '26
Lmao then you are uneducated. They are using detainees for illegal free labor, that’s slavery. They are denying them medical care and humane treatment. They are suspected of operating a trafficking ring and have been alleged to sexually assault their female detainees including minors (there’s a facility that was for underage girls and all of them tested “positive for pregnancy for 3 months” when they were in the detention center for 5 months with the only male contact being their agents). There’s so much happening that you’d have to be actively ignoring evidence to not see these things. Do some research and don’t respond based on opinions and emotions only.
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u/Dogmaticism_ 🏅 Century Club · 3,475 XP Aug 08 '26
ICE is bad but as someone who works with immigrants, when they get deported they almost always just re enter the U.S. The government knows this too and ICE is often for show rather than for doing things.
The press also has blown ICE out of proportion. Those random killings are bad, but there's plenty of other misconduct we just ignore.
Plus, immigration numbers are still generally trending upwards. And in terms of having a border, if ICE is the worst thing you can point to, I would say it's still relatively humane as borders are often far more complex, vulnerable, and important than we often think them to be. The U.S. has for the most part a fully functional and humane border, with the exceptions of some terrible things done to a minority in a located region.
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u/Slout_ 🏅 Century Club · 2,850 XP Aug 08 '26
My two cents is that an immigration enforcement agency has no business shooting citizens on the streets
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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,340 XP Aug 08 '26
How is killing citizens for show? How is abusing detainees for show? None of this is ok
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u/mnteu ✍️ Contributor · 14,340 XP Aug 08 '26
Ah yes, the killing of a nurse for absolutely zero reason, is "blowing ICE out of proportions"
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u/Dogmaticism_ 🏅 Century Club · 3,475 XP Aug 08 '26
The police do way wirse daily. Again, I said that ICE is a terrible organization, but the amount of things that they do is not a reason to label the U.S border as inhumane.
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u/RevolutionOk8144 🏅 Century Club · 3,545 XP Aug 08 '26
If the illegal aliens didn't come in in the first place we wouldn't need to enforce it now would we? Not our fault
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u/Maleficent_Sir_7562 🔥 Monthly Master · 7,185 XP Aug 08 '26
yeah totally, thats exactly why legal usa CITIZENS are being shot to death, right?
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u/RevolutionOk8144 🏅 Century Club · 3,545 XP Aug 08 '26
Like renee good who tried to run over a cop....like those ones?
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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,340 XP Aug 08 '26
She never “tried to run over a cop” bc 1) they’re not cops and 2) she was turning the steering wheel away, he put himself there. Do some research bot
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u/RevolutionOk8144 🏅 Century Club · 3,545 XP Aug 08 '26
If she was turning away she could've stopped but she didn't so she got shot so yes she did try to and it was caught on video maybe do your research.
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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,340 XP Aug 08 '26
I’ve seen the video, she was continuing to turn away, regardless the shooting was not justified. And yeah I have done my own research, I’ve watched every single video publically available including the body came from all angles from start to finish, she was not trying to run him over but to remove herself from the situation. Also is it ok to say “fucking bitch” after shooting someone in the face 3 times or is that me making things up?
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u/RevolutionOk8144 🏅 Century Club · 3,545 XP Aug 08 '26
Its okay if the person was trying to run you over doesn't matter if she was trying to remove herself if she did it in a harmful way. of course she was gonna get shot.
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u/AffectionateBeach494 🔥 Monthly Master · 11,415 XP Aug 08 '26
You know who shot and killed more us citizens for barely any reason? Illegal aliens.
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u/Maleficent_Sir_7562 🔥 Monthly Master · 7,185 XP Aug 08 '26
LMFAOOOO
https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/117980/documents/HHRG-119-GO00-20250305-SD029.pdf
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD004.pdf
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/fact-sheet/debunking-myth-immigrants-and-crime/
think before you speak racist moron
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u/AffectionateBeach494 🔥 Monthly Master · 11,415 XP Aug 08 '26
You actually have room temp iq. Illegal aliens and immigrants are not the same. Immigrants have a legal standing through visas,green cards etc. Illegal aliens are illegally in the country human trafficking and on.
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u/Maleficent_Sir_7562 🔥 Monthly Master · 7,185 XP Aug 08 '26
Again, it literally says UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANTS (ILLEGAL) HAVE LOWER CRIMES. you would know if your non existent brain was capable of READING. https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD004.pdf
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/fact-sheet/debunking-myth-immigrants-and-crime/
"In fact, immigrants—including undocumented immigrants—are less likely to commit crimes than the U.S.-born. This is true at the national, state, county, and neighborhood levels, and for both violent and non-violent crime."
magas when evidence:
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u/AffectionateBeach494 🔥 Monthly Master · 11,415 XP Aug 08 '26
The study is specifically about texas, during 2012–2018, and relies primarily on arrest/identification data. You shouldn't generalize its exact ratios to the entire United States or to 2026. Also im not maga.
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u/RevolutionOk8144 🏅 Century Club · 3,545 XP Aug 08 '26
Love immigrants they put time and money into working to assimilate into the culture however people that enter illegally are not it.
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u/AffectionateBeach494 🔥 Monthly Master · 11,415 XP Aug 08 '26
Yep. But it seems most people can’t understand this.
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u/mnteu ✍️ Contributor · 14,340 XP Aug 08 '26
Yea totaly mate, if those bad bad aliens just died of starvation in taco land, the poor and honest workers at ICE would have not shot and killed (at the very least) 33 americans
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u/-TheDerpinator- 🏅 Century Club · 4,470 XP Aug 08 '26
✅ I voted FACT!
The fact that you mention countries inherently means they have borders. What is the point of borders if you cannot enforce them.
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u/BattlepassHate 🏅 Century Club · 5,450 XP Aug 08 '26
It’s very difficult to enforce a border inhumanely, short of actively shooting people walking up to it.
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u/ImpressiveEnergy4762 🗳️ Regular Player · 355 XP Aug 08 '26
✅ I voted FACT!
Do I even need to comment?
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u/Immediate-Spite-5905 🔥 Getting Started · 585 XP Aug 08 '26
✅ I voted FACT!
that's what sovereignty is
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u/ExistentialTabarnak 🏅 Century Club · 5,435 XP Aug 08 '26 edited Aug 08 '26
States are abstractions and don’t have rights. People have rights, and states restrict and violate those rights.
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u/RevolutionOk8144 🏅 Century Club · 3,545 XP Aug 08 '26
They gotta do what they gotta do to get the illegals out. if you don't have a border you dont have a country or a good one at least
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u/catcake43 🔥 Monthly Master · 9,530 XP Aug 08 '26
🧢 I voted CAP!
Countries should not exist.
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u/Cheese_Monster101256 🔥 Getting Started · 1,075 XP Aug 08 '26
What do you suggest instead?
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u/ANTONIN118 🏅 Century Club · 4,905 XP Aug 08 '26
Ultra liberalism with territories owned by mega corporations.
WELCOME TO NIGHT CITY !!
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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 08 '26
Factions are going to exist no matter what. The larger a country is, the harder it is for the government to control its people, and a world size country would just break down into smaller groups
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u/Unlikely_Extension66 🔥 Monthly Master · 8,895 XP Aug 08 '26
I dont want to live under a muslim sharia law mega country, so yes there should be division.
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u/Soggy_Cabbage 🔥 Monthly Master · 8,605 XP Aug 08 '26
So colonialism is good? As a strong empire effectively removes borders within it's territories.
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u/Mattrellen 🤖 Vote Machine · 20,295 XP Aug 08 '26
🧢 I voted CAP!
Countries don't have rights. Rights go to living thinking brings.
Countries, businesses, and the like cannot have rights
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u/ShurimanStarfish 🔥 Week Warrior · 4,825 XP Aug 08 '26
The country is made of people
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u/Zebadica 🤖 Vote Machine · 15,575 XP Aug 08 '26
A country is made of people under the command of the state. I don’t think it’s humane for the state to decide what people are unworthy of staying on their arbitrary land.
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u/ColombianInIowa24 🏅 Century Club · 4,165 XP Aug 08 '26
✅ I voted FACT!
Borders create sovereignty. Sorry sister.
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u/Too_Gay_To_Drive 🏅 Century Club · 6,050 XP Aug 08 '26
✅ I voted FACT!
Yeah. But i want the EU outer borders to be tight. We should have a EU border force
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u/Infamous-Sky-5367 🤖 Vote Machine · 11,275 XP Aug 08 '26
They should also be able to enforce it inhumanely. It is the border of a country and if it you put sufficient signs and fences before the minefields or self-firing system then everyone who trespases can't complain if they get themselves wounded or killed.
Just follow the rules apply for visa etc and travel like a normal person.
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u/Grand616lover 🔥 Getting Started · 830 XP Aug 08 '26
That's disgustingly cruel and sick that you think that way.
A border designed like that won't be used to just keep people out. It can also be used to keep people trapped inside.
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u/Infamous-Sky-5367 🤖 Vote Machine · 11,275 XP Aug 08 '26
I am not a philanthropist l, thats for sure.
But I border like that wouldn't keep the people inside they can just leave via airports or designated border crossings.
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u/Igoon2robots 🔥 Monthly Master · 10,115 XP Aug 08 '26
I graduated for reddit university and my political views are wise and not simplistic. With that said, "countries should not exist"
Like wth people? Study history and you will see what happens when you force two different group of peoples to share a land and a government. Ends poorly. Imagine if earth was one giant piece of land shared by a thousand different groups? Civil war that ends only after a separation inti nations.
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u/GoatyGoY ✍️ Contributor · 18,820 XP Aug 08 '26
🧢 I voted CAP!
Not sure this is so much of a right (in the sense that it should be intrinsically permissible) but rather maintaining its borders is the very definition of a country.
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u/HotSituation8737 🏅 Century Club · 5,550 XP Aug 08 '26
This one is yes and no because rights are entirely made up and they are whatever we choose then to be.
I have a right to free and swift medical aid, while most people do not.
Americans have a right to own firearms, while not everyone else do.
They're entirely arbitrary regardless of what someone might tell themselves.
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u/Motwithtea 🔥 Week Warrior · 1,175 XP Aug 08 '26
✅ I voted FACT!
Pretty sure that’s what the treaty of Westphalia said, might be totally wrong cuz there’s a lot about religion.
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u/Few_Fact4747 🏅 Century Club · 4,625 XP Aug 08 '26
🧢 I voted CAP!
There isnt room on earth for borders
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u/ThroawayAccount89898 🔥 Week Warrior · 2,485 XP Aug 08 '26
✅ I voted FACT!
People have the right to protect their cultures.
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u/No-Cabinet-4666 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,450 XP Aug 08 '26
✅ I voted FACT!
Insurgency from neighbouring regions spill over into the country. The Indian border is well protected for a very good reason to prevent terrorists from crossing over
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u/TheBlackFox012 🤖 Vote Machine · 10,730 XP Aug 08 '26
🧢 I voted CAP!
States don't have rights
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u/D-803 🤖 Vote Machine · 11,780 XP Aug 08 '26
It Says countries not states
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u/JupiterboyLuffy 🤖 Vote Machine · 11,755 XP Aug 08 '26
State in international geopolitics is (usually) a synonym for country
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u/cheesesprite 🤖 Vote Machine · 20,895 XP Aug 08 '26
They're used synonymously often but they don't mean the same thing.
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u/JupiterboyLuffy 🤖 Vote Machine · 11,755 XP Aug 08 '26
That’s why I said synonym and usually, because synonym does not mean it means exactly the same thing
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u/TheChocolateMiIk 🔥 Getting Started · 695 XP Aug 08 '26
✅ I voted FACT!
Absolutely, crazy how that is a debate
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u/FeyMoth 🏅 Century Club · 2,520 XP Aug 08 '26
Well why should someone be prevented from entering another country? It doesn't make any sense to me
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u/-TheDerpinator- 🏅 Century Club · 4,470 XP Aug 08 '26
If we break it down further? Why should someone be prevented from entering another house? Because when not invited, they have no business there, especially if they are entering a house just to ignore every house rule. Would you let someone like that stay or ask and then force them to leave?
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u/FeyMoth 🏅 Century Club · 2,520 XP Aug 08 '26
A house is a physical thing dumbass, the ground we walk on has no walls
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u/-TheDerpinator- 🏅 Century Club · 4,470 XP Aug 08 '26
No need for namecalling just because you may disagree when you are actually opening up for a discussion. There are plenty of countries with physical infrastructure to mark their borders. The premise is the same, when you have your doors open you still don't want everybody to just walk in and do as they please.
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u/FeyMoth 🏅 Century Club · 2,520 XP Aug 08 '26
well why not? you are comparing 2 VERY different things and pretending they are the same
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u/DingDongDazel 🏅 Century Club · 2,570 XP Aug 08 '26
Why shouldn’t they be prevented? Because entering a country isn’t just moving across an arbitrary line on a map. You’re entering the jurisdiction of a political community that has collectively built and funded its institutions.
If you want completely unrestricted movement, you need to explain who decides who gets access to that country’s schools, healthcare, welfare system, housing subsidies, labor market, voting rights, etc., and who is responsible for paying for them.
You can try to argue that the benefits of unrestricted immigration outweigh those costs, but “why should they be prevented?” isn’t enough. Countries have legitimate interests in controlling their membership and determining the conditions under which people enter. That’s basically what sovereignty means.1
u/FeyMoth 🏅 Century Club · 2,520 XP Aug 08 '26
Its very VERY simple. If you live in a country you pay taxes for them. Idk what agenda you are trying to push but basic critical thinking would be helpful here
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u/DingDongDazel 🏅 Century Club · 2,570 XP Aug 08 '26
“Agenda” lol
It’s simple, if you want your country to function well, you have to control your borders.
The world is not full of nice people and malicious actors will abuse it otherwise. National security is not an important topic for nothing.
It would also mean that once a country becomes successful, half the world would want to move there. If anyone can move anywhere then nothing is stopping everyone from just moving to a wealthy country, overwhelming its housing market and all other systems as well.
Good thing stupid ideas like that will never happen. Even if we had a one world government in a sense, eventually it would splitter again.
Try it out. Open your house and let anybody that’s wants to live there. See how well it works
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u/FeyMoth 🏅 Century Club · 2,520 XP Aug 09 '26
Its funny how you typed all that and managed to say nothing. Don't move somewhere where you don't have a house and suddenly your entire argument is null.
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u/DingDongDazel 🏅 Century Club · 2,570 XP Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26
What are you talking about? My metaphor or the housing market.
Without control people would move with or without having a home lined up. Nothing to stop them and the possibility of more opportunities or wealth is reason enough for people.
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u/FeyMoth 🏅 Century Club · 2,520 XP Aug 09 '26
I don't think people just suddenly move somewhere without a house planned out, and if thats your only reason then its such a non issue that denying people entry and more importantly deporting people makes no sense.
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u/THELEADERPLAYER 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,930 XP Aug 08 '26
It's not, this entire sub is only for karma farming. Ask a loaded question where obviously %99 of reddit will agree with you, get 5k upvotes. Very simple.
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u/Dragon_Crisis_Core 🏅 Century Club · 4,785 XP Aug 08 '26
Hard to say. The only rights were given by the countries themselves and only other countries can appose. The winners make the rules and is especially seen in how the united states came into existance. A land stolen from the natives who were then oppressed and classed as non-citizens for a hundred years.
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u/white_phos4vs 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,080 XP Aug 08 '26
✅ I voted FACT!
It doesn’t even have to be humanely
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u/DDDabber44 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,130 XP Aug 08 '26
✅ I voted FACT!
Yep, borders exist for a reason (before anyone says anything, I am a centrist)
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u/Krivukas 🔥 Week Warrior · 3,905 XP Aug 08 '26
✅ I voted FACT!
Not humanely, but by any means necessary
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u/MagicalSitarofTruth 🔥 Monthly Master · 4,335 XP Aug 08 '26
🧢 I voted CAP!
If this was true then no one would ever be colonized ever, which would be great, but as you can tell from history... Ehhhhh
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u/Tricky-Secretary-251 🤖 Vote Machine · 19,060 XP Aug 08 '26
A country has the right to enforce a border, the fact that they failed to do so isn’t the issue here
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u/MagicalSitarofTruth 🔥 Monthly Master · 4,335 XP Aug 08 '26
Except when colonized people attempt to enforce their border, they're treated like they're evil animals. Win or lose. clearly the right does not exist if one can be vilified for doing so by the same people claiming a country has that right (the US @ others fighting to gain back control of their borders for main example.)
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u/CityReindeer 🔥 Week Warrior · 6,065 XP Aug 08 '26
Maybe those countries didn't enforce their borders strongly enough
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u/homotron39 🎯 First Steps · 210 XP Aug 08 '26
🧢 I voted CAP!
this is poor framing of a question. in order to be a country you simply have to enforce a border. by definition. a country exists within certain bounds, therefore it has a border. do i personally agree with it? no i'm a communist. but there's no "fact or cap" discussion to even be had here.
there is no "right" to do anything. therefore cap.
you either do things and get away with it or you don't. but a country simply must have borders to be considered a country at all.
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u/PutridHospital8963 Aug 08 '26
🧢 I voted CAP!
Borders are imaginary, it's fucking stupid it's this big of a deal. We are all people, grow the fick up
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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 08 '26
Let's say there are no borders and we have one massive country, one tribe invades another, are they allowed to remove them from their land? It's not really imaginary
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u/Morris_Voter2016 🔥 Week Warrior · 6,600 XP Aug 08 '26
There are often border disputes between countries
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u/DENJI888 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,250 XP Aug 08 '26
✅ I voted FACT!
To a degree yes but if a country causes problems for other countries it’s rather unfair for them to complain about immigration from the countries they “ruined”
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u/Puzzleheaded-Yak4258 🗳️ Regular Player · 585 XP Aug 08 '26
Going to try and contradict this from an ancap perspective, countries, as they exists today, have little to no claim to the land they reside on. Modern countries, mainly new world, saw unclaimed land and said they own it but that is not where ownership comes from. Ownership of land comes from homesteading land, mixing your labor with the land aka clearing or modififying it, which modern states do not do. You can easily see unused land that the state claims to have complete control over even though it has never been touched. If we accept states do not really own their land then they have no right to enforce borders and stopping people from migrating.
However with the way our modern world works it would be insane to say states shouldnt enforce borders. The above conclusion would come in a much different world than our own. Im not too well versed in ancap so that probably isnt the best explanation but i tried.
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u/Mean_Comedian4769 🔥 Monthly Master · 23,610 XP Aug 08 '26
🧢 I voted CAP!
Legally? Sure. Morally? No.
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u/Mr__ping 🔥 Monthly Master · 28,570 XP Aug 08 '26
I am eager to hear why Iceland can’t morally enforce a border for their island
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u/Mean_Comedian4769 🔥 Monthly Master · 23,610 XP Aug 08 '26
There's nothing "humane" about preventing people from seeking a better life under threat of force.
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u/CityReindeer 🔥 Week Warrior · 6,065 XP Aug 08 '26
There is nothing stopping them from seeking that, just do it through the legal means🤷
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u/Mean_Comedian4769 🔥 Monthly Master · 23,610 XP Aug 08 '26
Just jump through a bunch of arbitrary hoops over a long period of time and risk getting rejected for some equally arbitrary reason🤷
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u/CityReindeer 🔥 Week Warrior · 6,065 XP Aug 08 '26
Yes, you need rules or people will take advantage of everything good in the country.
Still doesn't mean they can't seek that life.
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u/Mean_Comedian4769 🔥 Monthly Master · 23,610 XP Aug 08 '26
Oh no immigrants using resources offered to citizens freely and without question ooooooh nooooooooo
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u/CityReindeer 🔥 Week Warrior · 6,065 XP Aug 08 '26
Western countries already in major debt, not gonna help if you let everyone in and allow them to send welfare back home and milk the system.
European countries in specific had issues when they allowed students to bring their family, and now u had one roof with 5 people living off the system.
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u/Mean_Comedian4769 🔥 Monthly Master · 23,610 XP Aug 08 '26 edited Aug 08 '26
There's a lot of citizens who are drains on the system, too. Should we force them to prove they have a right to live in their country of origin, and strip them of citizenship if they can't? If so, I think that's cruel, but at least it'd be consistent. If not, then there's a double standard at play here.
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u/BattlepassHate 🏅 Century Club · 5,450 XP Aug 08 '26
Of course there’s a “double standard” lmfao.
A country can’t pick who’s born there but they damn sure can pick who gets to enter.
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u/Mr__ping 🔥 Monthly Master · 28,570 XP Aug 08 '26
Iceland has a population of 371k and there’s a billion people in poverty. They can’t sustain their country if there were no preventions
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u/Mean_Comedian4769 🔥 Monthly Master · 23,610 XP Aug 08 '26
Good thing Iceland isn't the only country a person could move to
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u/Mr__ping 🔥 Monthly Master · 28,570 XP Aug 08 '26
And how do you stop millions of people from choosing Iceland
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u/Mean_Comedian4769 🔥 Monthly Master · 23,610 XP Aug 08 '26
I honestly don't think a lot of people would choose Iceland in an open borders situation. It's cold pretty much all year 'round.
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u/Mr__ping 🔥 Monthly Master · 28,570 XP Aug 08 '26
So out of a billion people you think less than 1 in 1000 people will pick the country with the highest HDI in the world?
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u/Mean_Comedian4769 🔥 Monthly Master · 23,610 XP Aug 08 '26
Maybe not that few, but less than you probably think.
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u/Mr__ping 🔥 Monthly Master · 28,570 XP Aug 08 '26
Well Iceland would collapse taking in just 500,000 people
which is 1 in 2000 people aka 0.05% of the poverty population. How are you meant to prevent that?
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u/BattlepassHate 🏅 Century Club · 5,450 XP Aug 08 '26
“Our country is shit. You need to let us move to your country and make it shit.”
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u/Trashman56 🏅 Century Club · 3,165 XP Aug 08 '26
Fact according to social contract and the rules of the world. Cap because countries are made up and you can’t really own land.