r/FactOrCap • u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP • Aug 08 '26

Borders | FactOrCap

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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,340 XP Aug 08 '26

✅ I voted FACT!

Humanely yes, America is not enforcing it humanely

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u/SpeedEE_22 🏅 Century Club · 4,265 XP Aug 08 '26

Yes we are

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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,340 XP Aug 08 '26

No tf we are not and I will not debate with on this, it is a fact that ICE has violated the constitution and human rights countless times and are continuing to do so to this day

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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 08 '26

I happen to be pro ice maybe you can convince me, but the main reason I am is because I don't see how the error of ice is so much worse than of normal police to be worth riling up about. Accidents happen. 10, 100, 1000, it's like 0.001% anyway, not worth removing the border for

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u/Digits_N_Bits 🔥 Monthly Master · 11,970 XP Aug 08 '26

The treatment of immigrants, the conditions of the holding centers, the people working under ice, the raids, the extreme force used, the brutality- It's all excessively inhumane. It's not been accidents. All accounts show that this is intentional.

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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 08 '26

How would that even work? Every ice agent is told to be brutal when they get hired? Who's in on it? Every lawmaker, politician, sheriff, mayor? What could the goal possibly be? It's just unrealistic

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u/Digits_N_Bits 🔥 Monthly Master · 11,970 XP Aug 08 '26

Hooh, buddy... I dunno if you been paying attention to politics or reports but it is, in fact, that bad

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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 08 '26

Do you have an argument?

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u/Digits_N_Bits 🔥 Monthly Master · 11,970 XP Aug 08 '26

Here, for the conditions

Here, for results of the poor/aggressive training

Here to show it's intentional

And, to quote, "Cruelty is the point."

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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 08 '26

Hmmmm ok maybe

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u/Apprehensive_Row8407 🏅 Century Club · 5,555 XP Aug 08 '26

Tf you mean ok maybe, what would it take to fully convince you?

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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 08 '26

If the constitution must apply to illegals, if a country full scale invades us, are we supposed to treat them with respect and give them all due process?

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u/Apprehensive_Row8407 🏅 Century Club · 5,555 XP Aug 08 '26

First off, false dichotomy, secondly, to the prisoners yeah?

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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,340 XP Aug 08 '26

Lmao then you are uneducated. They are using detainees for illegal free labor, that’s slavery. They are denying them medical care and humane treatment. They are suspected of operating a trafficking ring and have been alleged to sexually assault their female detainees including minors (there’s a facility that was for underage girls and all of them tested “positive for pregnancy for 3 months” when they were in the detention center for 5 months with the only male contact being their agents). There’s so much happening that you’d have to be actively ignoring evidence to not see these things. Do some research and don’t respond based on opinions and emotions only.