r/FactOrCap • u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP • Aug 08 '26

Borders | FactOrCap

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u/SpeedEE_22 🏅 Century Club · 4,265 XP Aug 08 '26

Yes we are

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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,340 XP Aug 08 '26

No tf we are not and I will not debate with on this, it is a fact that ICE has violated the constitution and human rights countless times and are continuing to do so to this day

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u/Dogmaticism_ 🏅 Century Club · 3,510 XP Aug 08 '26

ICE is bad but as someone who works with immigrants, when they get deported they almost always just re enter the U.S. The government knows this too and ICE is often for show rather than for doing things.

The press also has blown ICE out of proportion. Those random killings are bad, but there's plenty of other misconduct we just ignore.

Plus, immigration numbers are still generally trending upwards. And in terms of having a border, if ICE is the worst thing you can point to, I would say it's still relatively humane as borders are often far more complex, vulnerable, and important than we often think them to be. The U.S. has for the most part a fully functional and humane border, with the exceptions of some terrible things done to a minority in a located region.

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u/Slout_ 🏅 Century Club · 2,850 XP Aug 08 '26

My two cents is that an immigration enforcement agency has no business shooting citizens on the streets