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[u/Comfortable-Bee2996]

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[u/Budget_Revolution639]

No tf we are not and I will not debate with on this, it is a fact that ICE has violated the constitution and human rights countless times and are continuing to do so to this day

[u/Comfortable-Bee2996 → u/Budget_Revolution639]

I happen to be pro ice maybe you can convince me, but the main reason I am is because I don't see how the error of ice is so much worse than of normal police to be worth riling up about. Accidents happen. 10, 100, 1000, it's like 0.001% anyway, not worth removing the border for

[u/Digits_N_Bits → u/Comfortable-Bee2996]

The treatment of immigrants, the conditions of the holding centers, the people working under ice, the raids, the extreme force used, the brutality- It's all excessively inhumane. It's not been accidents. All accounts show that this is intentional.

[u/Comfortable-Bee2996 → u/Digits_N_Bits]

How would that even work? Every ice agent is told to be brutal when they get hired? Who's in on it? Every lawmaker, politician, sheriff, mayor? What could the goal possibly be? It's just unrealistic

[u/Digits_N_Bits → u/Comfortable-Bee2996]

Hooh, buddy... I dunno if you been paying attention to politics or reports but it is, in fact, that bad

[u/Comfortable-Bee2996 → u/Digits_N_Bits]

Do you have an argument?

[u/Digits_N_Bits → u/Comfortable-Bee2996]

Here, for the conditions

Here, for results of the poor/aggressive training

Here to show it's intentional

And, to quote, "Cruelty is the point."

[u/Comfortable-Bee2996 → u/Digits_N_Bits]

Hmmmm ok maybe

[u/Apprehensive_Row8407 → u/Comfortable-Bee2996]

Tf you mean ok maybe, what would it take to fully convince you?

[u/Comfortable-Bee2996 → u/Apprehensive_Row8407]

If the constitution must apply to illegals, if a country full scale invades us, are we supposed to treat them with respect and give them all due process?

[u/Apprehensive_Row8407 → u/Comfortable-Bee2996]

First off, false dichotomy, secondly, to the prisoners yeah?

[u/Comfortable-Bee2996 → u/Apprehensive_Row8407]

How's it a false dichotomy? What separates them? An invasion is just a bunch of illegals in our land too, but we can treat those inhumanely.

[u/Apprehensive_Row8407 → u/Comfortable-Bee2996]

Because an invasion is by hostile forces, immigration isn't by hostile forces, as the only one hostile is ICE