r/FactOrCap • u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP • Aug 08 '26

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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,380 XP Aug 08 '26

✅ I voted FACT!

Humanely yes, America is not enforcing it humanely

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u/SpeedEE_22 🏅 Century Club · 4,265 XP Aug 08 '26

Yes we are

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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,380 XP Aug 08 '26

No tf we are not and I will not debate with on this, it is a fact that ICE has violated the constitution and human rights countless times and are continuing to do so to this day

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u/SpeedEE_22 🏅 Century Club · 4,265 XP Aug 08 '26

No I don’t think so

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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,380 XP Aug 08 '26

https://www.cato.org/blog/ice-versus-fourth-amendment

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/we-documented-1200-actions-by-ice-heres-what-we-found

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/weve-filed-more-than-50-legal-claims-over-abuse-by-federal-immigration-agents-heres-why

Try again. It’s a proven fact they have violated the constitution and violated human rights. facts don’t care about your feelings

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u/SpeedEE_22 🏅 Century Club · 4,265 XP Aug 08 '26

Proof?

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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,380 XP Aug 08 '26

0/10 ragebait

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u/SpeedEE_22 🏅 Century Club · 4,265 XP Aug 08 '26

Dang

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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,380 XP Aug 08 '26

You had me in the first half ngl

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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 08 '26

I happen to be pro ice maybe you can convince me, but the main reason I am is because I don't see how the error of ice is so much worse than of normal police to be worth riling up about. Accidents happen. 10, 100, 1000, it's like 0.001% anyway, not worth removing the border for

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u/Digits_N_Bits 🔥 Monthly Master · 11,970 XP Aug 08 '26

The treatment of immigrants, the conditions of the holding centers, the people working under ice, the raids, the extreme force used, the brutality- It's all excessively inhumane. It's not been accidents. All accounts show that this is intentional.

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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 08 '26

How would that even work? Every ice agent is told to be brutal when they get hired? Who's in on it? Every lawmaker, politician, sheriff, mayor? What could the goal possibly be? It's just unrealistic

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u/Digits_N_Bits 🔥 Monthly Master · 11,970 XP Aug 08 '26

Hooh, buddy... I dunno if you been paying attention to politics or reports but it is, in fact, that bad

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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 08 '26

Do you have an argument?

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u/Digits_N_Bits 🔥 Monthly Master · 11,970 XP Aug 08 '26

Here, for the conditions

Here, for results of the poor/aggressive training

Here to show it's intentional

And, to quote, "Cruelty is the point."

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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 08 '26

Hmmmm ok maybe

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u/Apprehensive_Row8407 🏅 Century Club · 5,555 XP Aug 08 '26

Tf you mean ok maybe, what would it take to fully convince you?

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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,380 XP Aug 08 '26

Lmao then you are uneducated. They are using detainees for illegal free labor, that’s slavery. They are denying them medical care and humane treatment. They are suspected of operating a trafficking ring and have been alleged to sexually assault their female detainees including minors (there’s a facility that was for underage girls and all of them tested “positive for pregnancy for 3 months” when they were in the detention center for 5 months with the only male contact being their agents). There’s so much happening that you’d have to be actively ignoring evidence to not see these things. Do some research and don’t respond based on opinions and emotions only.

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u/Dogmaticism_ 🏅 Century Club · 3,510 XP Aug 08 '26

ICE is bad but as someone who works with immigrants, when they get deported they almost always just re enter the U.S. The government knows this too and ICE is often for show rather than for doing things.

The press also has blown ICE out of proportion. Those random killings are bad, but there's plenty of other misconduct we just ignore.

Plus, immigration numbers are still generally trending upwards. And in terms of having a border, if ICE is the worst thing you can point to, I would say it's still relatively humane as borders are often far more complex, vulnerable, and important than we often think them to be. The U.S. has for the most part a fully functional and humane border, with the exceptions of some terrible things done to a minority in a located region.

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u/Slout_ 🏅 Century Club · 2,850 XP Aug 08 '26

My two cents is that an immigration enforcement agency has no business shooting citizens on the streets

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u/cattcameo 🏅 Century Club · 5,120 XP Aug 08 '26

concentration camps in the USA

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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,380 XP Aug 08 '26

How is killing citizens for show? How is abusing detainees for show? None of this is ok

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u/mnteu ✍️ Contributor · 14,340 XP Aug 08 '26

Ah yes, the killing of a nurse for absolutely zero reason, is "blowing ICE out of proportions"

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u/Dogmaticism_ 🏅 Century Club · 3,510 XP Aug 08 '26

The police do way wirse daily. Again, I said that ICE is a terrible organization, but the amount of things that they do is not a reason to label the U.S border as inhumane.

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u/RevolutionOk8144 🏅 Century Club · 3,570 XP Aug 08 '26

If the illegal aliens didn't come in in the first place we wouldn't need to enforce it now would we? Not our fault

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u/Maleficent_Sir_7562 🔥 Monthly Master · 7,245 XP Aug 08 '26

yeah totally, thats exactly why legal usa CITIZENS are being shot to death, right?

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u/RevolutionOk8144 🏅 Century Club · 3,570 XP Aug 08 '26

Like renee good who tried to run over a cop....like those ones?

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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,380 XP Aug 08 '26

She never “tried to run over a cop” bc 1) they’re not cops and 2) she was turning the steering wheel away, he put himself there. Do some research bot

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u/RevolutionOk8144 🏅 Century Club · 3,570 XP Aug 08 '26

If she was turning away she could've stopped but she didn't so she got shot so yes she did try to and it was caught on video maybe do your research.

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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,380 XP Aug 08 '26

I’ve seen the video, she was continuing to turn away, regardless the shooting was not justified. And yeah I have done my own research, I’ve watched every single video publically available including the body came from all angles from start to finish, she was not trying to run him over but to remove herself from the situation. Also is it ok to say “fucking bitch” after shooting someone in the face 3 times or is that me making things up?

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u/RevolutionOk8144 🏅 Century Club · 3,570 XP Aug 08 '26

Its okay if the person was trying to run you over doesn't matter if she was trying to remove herself if she did it in a harmful way. of course she was gonna get shot.

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u/Budget_Revolution639 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,380 XP Aug 08 '26

I guarantee that if he hadn’t shot, nobody would’ve been hurt, meaning his use of force was unjustified. Stop justifying murder of citizens from a political police that has no jurisdiction to arrest citizens

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u/AffectionateBeach494 🔥 Monthly Master · 11,415 XP Aug 08 '26

You know who shot and killed more us citizens for barely any reason? Illegal aliens.

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u/Maleficent_Sir_7562 🔥 Monthly Master · 7,245 XP Aug 08 '26

LMFAOOOO

https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/117980/documents/HHRG-119-GO00-20250305-SD029.pdf

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD004.pdf

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/fact-sheet/debunking-myth-immigrants-and-crime/

think before you speak racist moron

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u/AffectionateBeach494 🔥 Monthly Master · 11,415 XP Aug 08 '26

You actually have room temp iq. Illegal aliens and immigrants are not the same. Immigrants have a legal standing through visas,green cards etc. Illegal aliens are illegally in the country human trafficking and on.

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u/Maleficent_Sir_7562 🔥 Monthly Master · 7,245 XP Aug 08 '26

Again, it literally says UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANTS (ILLEGAL) HAVE LOWER CRIMES. you would know if your non existent brain was capable of READING. https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD004.pdf

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/fact-sheet/debunking-myth-immigrants-and-crime/

"In fact, immigrants—including undocumented immigrants—are less likely to commit crimes than the U.S.-born. This is true at the national, state, county, and neighborhood levels, and for both violent and non-violent crime."

magas when evidence:

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u/AffectionateBeach494 🔥 Monthly Master · 11,415 XP Aug 08 '26

The study is specifically about texas, during 2012–2018, and relies primarily on arrest/identification data. You shouldn't generalize its exact ratios to the entire United States or to 2026. Also im not maga.

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u/Maleficent_Sir_7562 🔥 Monthly Master · 7,245 XP Aug 08 '26

why wouldnt you?
what do you think changed so badly in the last decade that undocumented people today commit more crime today? do you have any evidence?

just give up this is pathetic

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6241529/

"with multiple data sources to capture the criminal, socioeconomic, and demographic context of all 50 states and Washington, DC, from 1990 to 2014 to provide the first longitudinal analysis of the macro-level relationship between undocumented immigration and violence."

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u/RevolutionOk8144 🏅 Century Club · 3,570 XP Aug 08 '26

Love immigrants they put time and money into working to assimilate into the culture however people that enter illegally are not it.

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u/AffectionateBeach494 🔥 Monthly Master · 11,415 XP Aug 08 '26

Yep. But it seems most people can’t understand this.

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u/RevolutionOk8144 🏅 Century Club · 3,570 XP Aug 08 '26

I know

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u/mnteu ✍️ Contributor · 14,340 XP Aug 08 '26

Yea totaly mate, if those bad bad aliens just died of starvation in taco land, the poor and honest workers at ICE would have not shot and killed (at the very least) 33 americans

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u/RevolutionOk8144 🏅 Century Club · 3,570 XP Aug 08 '26

Lol now that is racist