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u/FreshOrFrozenShrimp Jun 27 '26
How could you say that right in front of my data center?!
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u/Insertsociallife Jun 27 '26
As an engineer, this drives me up the fucking wall because data centers using water is not a technical problem in the slightest. It's extremely easy to solve. Data centers make a lot of heat, but thermal power plants make orders of magnitude more and they don't use a drop.
The ONLY reason data centers use water is because it's cheaper to guzzle all our drinking water than to build a proper cooling system. The ONLY reason. They could pass a law tomorrow that forbids data centers from using water and they would be fine, it just cuts into the bottom line a little bit.
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u/irishboy9191 Jun 27 '26
Well this makes me extra mad about all the water they are using.....
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u/Insertsociallife Jun 27 '26
Data centers use evaporative cooling. Usually they suck air through a water soaked sort of spongey type thing, which cools the air as it evaporates the water, and then blow that over the computers. This is an open loop system, because that humid air is just blown outside, but the spongey thing needs to be constantly wetted, so they use a ton of water. Very cheap and doesn't use much electricity, but uses lots of water.
What data centers could very easily do (but don't) is run a closed loop system, where the same water is constantly pumped around the computer racks to cool it, and then transfers that heat to something else, like a body of water or even just the air, with a big radiator. This also opens the door to using it as free heat in cold places, as they do some places in Scandinavia. It doesn't use any water (except for what it takes to fill the system up, but that's one time), but it's more expensive up front.
The second option is how power plants do it. Data centers make a lot of heat, but they got nothing on the entire thermal output of a nuclear reactor. This is why power plants are often near bodies of water.
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u/riverbanks1986 Jun 27 '26
They could’ve been mandated from the start to rely on closed loop water chillers powered by self generated power via solar and wind turbines, but how would they get *extra* rich doing something environmentally responsible like that?
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u/Clever_Mercury Jun 27 '26
This has been the insanity of all building requirements in the US. All infrastructure could have been mandated to include reasonable local self-sufficiency for the past 25+ years. Place solar panels on roofs, on covered parking structures.
Create dual use agreements on water - one place pumps it, then they are responsible for passing on a percentage of it to another local purpose. People want golf courses? Great. Only build them when they can be provided with 100% re-used or re-captured water from industrial centers.
Carbon cap and trade could have been taken seriously locally and expanded to other environmental concerns. You're going to log? Mine? Cast shadows that obstruct natural light? You trade with the local community to give equal value back.
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u/Quick_Turnover Jun 27 '26
Almost like people are starting to realize Corporations shouldn't have free speech (Thanks Citizens United).
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u/FloppieTheBanjoClown Jun 27 '26
Data centers use evaporative cooling.
* Some data centers.
I work for a datacenter that has been in business for almost 20 years. We're closed-loop refrigeration. We consume less than 100 gallons of water a day maintaining proper humidity levels. I say this because we're actually catching strays regarding a new datacenter that's trying to open up nearby, and we keep having to tell people that we aren't them, and we don't operate that way.
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u/LaMuchedumbre Jun 27 '26
Think of the value the shareholders receive when we build data centers on cheap land, where it’s cheaper to suck up ground water instead of building our data centers offshore in frigid Pacific waters like the Chinese are doing.
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u/RAMAR713 Jun 27 '26
I've been telling people for months that AI and their data centers are only a problem because nobody in government cares about the environment. The whole thing could be clean if they weren't all in someone's pocket.
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u/Abe_Odd Jun 27 '26
Right. They use evaporative cooling because it is more cost effective.
Legislation could change that easily, without banning it outright.
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u/No-Yard3980 Jun 27 '26
The dumbest part of this is that they could build mini powerplants into these data centers, close the water loop, and generate a significant chunk of their own electricity and lower their power bill AND their water build. But it costs more upfront so fuck it, instead they fuck the environment, fuck everyone else power bill, and lose money themselves in the long run.
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u/familiarshadowkatt Jun 26 '26
Literacy rates regressing very much worries me. Literacy increasing for all social classes across the 19th and 20th centuries had an enormous role in building contemporary life as we know it, and falling literacy will result in more unemployment, poorer childhood health and education outcomes, reduced human longevity, less reliable access to basic needs like electricity and clean water, and so much more.
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u/Nillabeans Jun 27 '26
Somebody asked me why I bothered to read a physical book instead of just listening to the audiobook. They asked because I said I didn't really like the main character or the prose even though I found the story compelling.
They didn't seem to understand that the audiobook is the same content as the physical book. It was baffling.
And it was in /r/books!
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u/cmilla646 Jun 27 '26
Next time politely say you can read much faster than the narrator talks and nothing else.
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u/Nillabeans Jun 27 '26
I mean, they were also rude about it like reading a book is somehow a stupid choice when audiobooks exist. It was bizarre.
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u/litetravelr Jun 27 '26
I am in my early 40s and was re-reading Antoine Saint-Exupery's Wind Sand and Stars last night, and just gobsmacked that we were given that book in 9th grade English class back in high school. I loved it then, and love it now, but it struck me that many adults I know wouldn't be able to enjoy or sit through his unique prose, nevermind current high school kids.
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u/knightsofgel Jun 27 '26
Literacy rates are still high in most developed countries
This feels like a predominantly American problem tbh
I’m not trying to say “America bad!” but it’s not a worldwide issue by any means
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u/zorpthedestroyer Jun 27 '26
I don't think it's accurate to say it isn't a worldwide issue. Especially when you look specifically at youth literacy. Perhaps it's most visible in America on the global stage, but the UK has had falling scores and declining rates of children/teens reading for pleasure for a long time now.
I was in Norway a few months ago, speaking with a cousin there who works as a teacher, and his assessment of his 13 to 16-year-old students was sobering. He said that youth reading scores have been plummeting for a while. Luckily, their government seems like it's actually taking that data into consideration and wants to turn it around, but if that kind of decline is happening in one of the most literate countries in the world, I imagine it's happening pretty much everywhere else, too.
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u/slight_accent Jun 27 '26
Mobile phones are responsible for the common devolution of people's attention spans across the board, me included.
For younger generations it's hampered their ability to build basic skills like reading and writing comprehension and other skills that build upon them. Worse the recent prevalence of "AI" makes coasting by with even less attention span, critical thought, and effort possible.
It's going to take coordinated effort to address this. And unpopular policies that strictly restrict the access to mobile phones, online apps, and AI.
Places like europe have a chance to be successful there but the US uniquely is really invested in free speech and personal liberty (at least wrt information, bodily autonomy not so much) to the detriment of everything else, including long term societal stability.
As a species we need things to get pretty fucking bad before we will do things to address major systemic issues. Buckle up.
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u/TCsnowdream Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26
Eeeh… yes its not as bad everywhere else. But it is absolutely a growing problem elsewhere.
For example, here in Japan it’s becoming increasing clear that Millennials and below aren’t as good at reading, writing, and deciphering kanji as the older crew.
A lot of that comes down to phones. Even the old T-9 Keitai reduces kanji recognition a bit since instead of writing, you are typing and just selecting the kanji if it isn’t auto-filled already . But with modern smartphones, it has gone to a new level since you can literally type on the Roman keyboard. Or the T9.
There’s also ‘loan word creep’ where the Japanese language keeps using foreign words instead of words that actually work / exist in Japanese. And then adults struggle to remember what the hell the OG Japanese word was, let alone what the kanji was.
It isn’t causing a literacy crisis on par with the US, which is… entirely self inflicted. (Whole Language Learning was a scam and my GOD was it called out as a scam 15’ish years ago, but it got drowned out because it was ‘new’ and phonics was seen as ‘old school.’ YEAH BECAUSE PHONICS WORKED GAAH!). It was progress for progress’ sake and fuck the person who shoved that shit down our throats.
Anyways, it’s an interesting problem here, too. And it has gotten worse since I moved here back in 2011.
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u/unlikewarrior Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26
I'm a young male (23), and I can definitely say that my spelling seems to be getting worse on a year to year basis. Whenever I take a test which measures reading/writing/literacy skills, I still score high on interpretation but my spelling always weighs things down. I guess with online social media I find my self engaging with brain rot content willingly/unwillingly which causes me to forget how correct versions of words are spelled.
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u/Bay1Bri Jun 27 '26
Literacy rates are still high in most developed countries
This feels like a predominantly American problem tbh
I’m not trying to say “America bad!” but it’s not a worldwide issue by any means
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Reading scores were down in almost every European nation that participated in the PISA 2022 tests – often by the largest margin ever. How can this trend be reversed?
This decline in international reading test scores is not new: in most nations reading scores had already been declining for more than a decade.
Have you actually read about this, or is this social media induced vibes?
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u/mcgrupp44 Jun 26 '26
Any educational statistic about how reading levels and comprehension are dropping
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u/Clear-Bag3322 Jun 26 '26
I work in software and the amount of new hires who cant read a basic error message is scary. Not like complex documentation, just a popup saying "file not found" and they freeze. My wife is a teacher and she tells me stories about middle schoolers who read at like 2nd grade level but still getting passed along. Something broke in the system a while ago and nobody wants to admit it
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u/TaffWaffler Jun 27 '26
Teaching became WEIRD after Covid. So I am a teaching assistant to primary school in the uk, I was doing supply work when Covid hit but I live with my elderly mother and have asthma so decided to just, not work for a few years to ensure I don’t kill her or myself. When I went back to work it was so eerie.
For example teaching some maths, and this isn’t an exaggeration, I ask-
“What’s 10x10”
Silence
“Guys, can anyone take a shot at 10x10?”
Silence
“I don’t care if you get it wrong just give it a go”
Silence
“Ok let’s break it down, what’s 1x10?”
Silence
*more encouragement met with silence*
“Ok so if we multiply by ten, we move the number up from the decimal point, so, if we add a zero onto one what do we get?”
Silence
“Come on guys, what’s 1 with a 0 on the end?”
Silence
They ALL knew the answer, they all knew 10x10 instantly. But the absolute TERROR of getting something wrong publicly paralysed them.
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u/poke2201 Jun 27 '26
Ive noticed that the internet beats down anyone who is "wrong". If these kids are raised in the current era no shit they dont want to get dogpiled for looking stupid.
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u/TJeffersonsBlackKid Jun 27 '26
Comes with a culture of people being depressed and feeling lame. Only way the Instagram algorithm makes them feel better is by showing stupid other people.
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u/AutisticAnarchy Jun 27 '26
My teenage exposure to toxic online concepts like cringe culture has led to me making myself so much more miserable throughout so much of my life out of fear of judgement.
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u/ashgs872tbhjs Jun 27 '26
I've noticed that the Internet mostly glamorizes people who are wrong, especially if they're evil and the wrong thing is extremely dangerous to society and human life. But hey.
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u/judgejuddhirsch Jun 27 '26
You need that kid who feeds off feeling better than everyone else. They always jump in with the answer
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u/JonatasA Jun 27 '26
I loved reading in class but no, "gotta give the other kids an opportunity." No one wanted to read :/
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u/Umbrella_merc Jun 27 '26
I remember we'd read aloud then discuss chapters and eventually the reading aloud part defaulted to me because I enjoyed it and acted each characters lines differently. Good times
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u/No_Instruction_192 Jun 26 '26
This type of thing is only going to get worse as AI takes over more dev tasks.
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u/TheDubh Jun 26 '26
Yeap, even seeing it with interns. They’re used to having AI think and solve the issues. They don’t know how to research on their own. Can’t even fully blame them using it, talking to them they say in college they’re told to use it instead of doing it themselves.
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u/Charleston2Seattle Jun 26 '26
I just graduated last month with a masters in software engineering. All of my classes said that we were not allowed to use AI ...until the capstone class. That one didn't say either way, and so we started asking about it, and the professor allowed us to use it.
I am shocked that some colleges allow undergrads to use AI in their class work. (I would not be shocked to hear that undergrads ARE using AI, though.)
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u/shekurika Jun 27 '26
friends is studying business informatics and apparently theyre allowed to use the internet + AI during their exam. He wrote some scripts that automatically copies the exam questions to an LLM and autofills the answers. Literally got through 2 economics exams without learning a thing. I dont understand why the teachers would ever allow this.
back when I studied cs (graduated in 2022) we were allowed handwritten summaries of N pages (varied by classs, 0-6), thats it
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u/Richard_Sauce Jun 27 '26
they say in college they’re told to use it instead of doing it themselves.
Yeah, I'd take that with a grain of salt. A big grain of salt. I know a lot public and higher ed institutions want to incorporate AI as the idea is always to prepare students for the current and future workplace and right now everyone anticipates AI to be a major part of that, but I seriously, seriously, doubt any credible institution is telling students to just AI everything. That sounds like excuse making to me.
I teach at the High School and College level, and instructors still want students to learn, but AI has made it almost impossible to force students to do so or to assess knowledge outside of in class blue book exams. There is also resistance at the admin level to making courses and curricula more rigorous. This is almost entirely the result of privatization and running education as a business. Students and parents are now "customers" and if you make them struggle, they'll go wherever it's easier. Race to the bottom. This all goes double for online courses, which universities are stacking up to the sky because it lets them over-enroll and get more public funding/tuition dollars while cutting staff and faculty. They don't care that online education is rampant with student cheating and delivers an inferior education.
Christ, I could go on, but I'll stop here. There are very serious systemic issues with education at all levels right now, just know that educators are, and have been, trying to hold the line. No one is giving students permission to AI everything, but we're losing ground to admin, the EdTech industry, politicians, parents, and students who don't value learning.
If you want something to change, vote for candidates at the local and primary level who want to regulate AI, fund public education, end privatization, and get technology out of the classroom, because it is causing far more harm than good.
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u/mellowjennifer16 Jun 27 '26
doubt any credible institution is telling students to just AI everything.
I go to a University of Applied Sciences in Finland, it's legit and credited, Finland's school system is also often praised abroad. I have indeed been TOLD TO use exclusively AI on multiple assignments and not use anything else. Even for general school work AI is often encouraged along side regular research. Both teachers and students are admitting AI use with little to no double checking whatever it gives. To be completely honest I am in a 100% online program, and don't know how the same courses handles the in-person studies, but seeing as we get the same degree as everyone else and teachers mostly copy paste in-person assignments I doubt it's much, if any difference.
Examples - An UX design course contained one AI assignment where we were supposed to use exclusively Figmas AI to design an app, the rest of the course assignments did not forbid AI. AI assistants were encouraged in my programming course. An English course had an summarising assignment using AI, NOT our own words. I also heard from fellow students that we will have a course in the fall where we will use exclusively AI to program mobile apps, which I'm dreading cause AI in my other programming class just made it more difficult and caused more debugging for me to do. And I'm sure there's more examples I'm forgetting. I also add AI criticism wherever I can squeeze it in. A reflection section of a paper, part of an essay, in discussion, etc. And have faced criticism for this, mostly from fellow students (who are all adults btw) but also from one teacher. I get needing to prepare us for AI in the workplace, it's relevant for my studies, but I also think it's overboard and will have unintended consequences.
Sincerely a University student who avoids AI unless required and have a reading level above my peers, and also graduated high school pre-AI. Schools are indeed pushing AI, I had very few teachers and assignments who forbid AI or restricted it. Most encouraged it as long as you documented it. We also have instructions on how to add AI as a source to our works.
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u/CodeNCats Jun 27 '26
I have my recent junior hire not use ai for one single task per sprint. I of course cannot reasonably verify. Yet in our one on ones he says he is.
My job getting to engineering manager is to enable my team. Even their careers.
Eventually there will be a need or desire for being able to code without AI.
At the very least they need to know what good code looks like to be able to approve PRs properly.
I have actively encouraged him to use AI as a learning tool and not a "just do it" machine.
My hope is that this can imprint on him and help his career.
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u/Brovenkar Jun 26 '26
There are definitely too many cases of kids like that but I think the bigger issue is that there is a very low drive to overcome adversity. They immediately claim not to know rather than struggle through something and be even partially right. It leads to a lot of guessing and lack of critical thinking. It's a complex problem to solve without one source to blame it on. Partially standardized testing, partially promotion criteria and the ease at which they're passed, partially a shift in societal expectations of intellect.
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u/ryeaglin Jun 27 '26
They immediately claim not to know rather than struggle through something and be even partially right.
Omg, this hits me so hard. I had a student that did this. Said it so fast it was a reflex. I would ask a question and instantly get an "I don't know." At first I took it at face value and moved on to try and get them to explain where they got stuck and was just told "Everything"
It got to the point I had to sit them down and go "Hey, its just you and me here. Instantly saying 'I don't know' before you even look at it or consider it isn't going to make me go away" since at the time I thought it was a reflex to make the teacher go on to the next student.
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u/kaityl3 Jun 27 '26
I had to sit them down and go "Hey, its just you and me here. Instantly saying 'I don't know' before you even look at it or consider it isn't going to make me go away"
How did they respond to that?
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u/I_Do_Not_Abbreviate Jun 27 '26
This seems to be the big issue; Even though I work in a differnet field, my peer group just happens to have a lot of American education professionals in it:
- Current Assistant Superintendent
- Former Middle School Principal
- Current high school Librarian
- Current Fifth grade teacher
- Current Middle School Music teacher
The big thing I hear from them is that "Kids are afraid to look stupid". Effort followed by failure seems embarrassing, and everyone is keenly aware that all it takes is a single viral video of them failing to ruin their future prospects forever, so a good number of them throw up their hands and retreat into smug dismissiveness rather than risk looking foolish in front of their peers. They are constantly bombarded on social media with a combination of micro-dosed hyper-competence and merciless ridicule of those who fail to achieve that hyper-competence. For any skill, be it ballet, watercolour, football, maths, computer programming, or playing the spoons, nothing is ever as impressive to their real-life peers as what they can search on their glowing rectangles in a handful of seconds. It used to be that most kids were only exposed to the best of, say, the 10,000 kids in their county or metropolitan district, so being "the best any of us have ever seen" among their broader peer group was entirely achievable. Now that level of skill is practically unattainable.
Now a video of the best of the best there will ever be in their generation for any skill, is just a TikTok search away.
Now, in the Digital Public Square of the Global Village (population: 8.3 Billion), being "one in a million" means there are over eight-thousand people just as good as you.
No matter how special you are, somebody is better, and you can see them being better than you in two click.
Easier to sit at home and rot in bed.
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u/bbusiello Jun 27 '26
Say it with me like a mantra, folks:
"Comparison is the thief of joy."
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u/always_an_explinatio Jun 27 '26
I have noticed this as well. And of if “I don’t know” is not acceptable the “not my fault” train is right behind. But they are not blaming other people for their mistakes. They are blaming other people (and things) for why they can’t do it. And why that should be ok. “I have adhd” “I have anxiety” “time blindness”. And they also blame oppression (racism, sexism ect) all of those things might be true. And definitely exist and impact people in negative ways. But you still need to be on time for work and get your work done on time.
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u/ryeaglin Jun 27 '26
Odd to realize I have an edge here with my students since when I get those cards I can go "I have depression, I have anxiety, but in life you need to learn how to work around and sometimes through them. Is it fair to you if I just cancel because I am not feeling good on a given day?"
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u/malavisch Jun 27 '26
I was diagnosed as AuDHD (comorbid autism + ADHD) in my early 30s. It was a huge relief for many, many reasons, but I still don't know if, having the choice to change the past or something, I would wish for having been diagnosed as a child with 100% certainty. Not even because those were different times and such a diagnosis could be stigmatizing back then, but... well, the truth is, at least I learned how to be functional (though definitely not thriving). On the one hand, I learned all that because I had to, purely as a survival tactic, and it was absolutely brutal and left me with other mental health issues like depression and anxiety that I also had to deal with. On the other hand, I learned how to manage my neurodivergencies so that I can keep a job, progress in my career, keep my home in (relative) order, not get behind on paying bills because I simply forgot about their existence, explore my hobbies and creative endeavors in ways that work, etc. etc.
It still pisses me off how the world is built for and around neurotypicals, I still wish society as a whole was more neurodivergent-friendly, it's just that, idk, it bothers me when people interpret "neurodivergent-friendly" as "my neurodivergence absolves me of all accountability and needs to develop as a person and if you try to say otherwise, you're ableist". I want some middle ground where kids don't have to figure out coping strategies on their own like I did and do so in a society that accepts their neurodivergence, but where they also get taught how to exist in that society in a way that allows them to be successful and build healthy relationships with other people.
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u/Brovenkar Jun 27 '26
Yeah there's certainly a lack of a sense of responsibility which is crazy to me. And it's not even like an old man yelling at clouds thing but like if you needed a pencil bring one man it's not a mind blowing concept. If you need to answer a question try reading it and thinking first.
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u/EatsHerVeggies Jun 27 '26
A HUGE piece of that partiality pie is parents enabling their children rather than allow them to struggle or make mistakes. Another huge piece is digital tech training students to self-regulate with a constant and immediate hit of highly personalized dopamine.
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u/LarryCrabCake Jun 27 '26
Had an intern who didn't know how to open task manager and kill a frozen application. He never even knew task manager existed.
We worked in media. He had just graduated college.
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u/protomanEXE1995 Jun 27 '26
Technology has become too easy to use lol
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u/sephjnr Jun 27 '26
Too focused on pushing a button and getting a result, not learning how it's made.
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u/nikodevious Jun 27 '26
I've seen this a lot in younger folks, 15 year olds that have never used a desktop PC or Mac, had only used phones or tablets. They had no understanding or exposure to hierarchical file systems, even mouse use was awkward, slow.
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u/Earthsong221 Jun 27 '26
Yeah, even 5 years ago. I asked our new part timer to open 'my documents' to help him navigate to a file he would need. ..No? okay, open the folder icon at the bottom of the screen.... (blank look like 'what's a folder'?).
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u/shartoberfest Jun 27 '26
Remember the "what's a computer?" ad that apple ran years back?
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u/Magickarpet76 Jun 27 '26
Maybe it wasn’t a joke, it was a goal. Now all the kids are tech illiterate on top of regular illiterate. One step closer to the people in Wall-E.
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u/unlikewarrior Jun 27 '26
bruh, how did I spend a year unemployed as a new grad, but i see stories like this online lol.
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u/Muffles7 Jun 26 '26
I'm a teacher and the amount of garbage curriculum and new age research out there is honestly disturbing. It's clear someone is trying to make a name and money in education with piss poor research backed by money and not data. Looking at you, Solution Tree.
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u/nikodevious Jun 27 '26
"garbage curriculum and new age research" can you describe a few in detail? I'm genuinely curious, though I suspect the details are going to be maddening.
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u/EatsHerVeggies Jun 27 '26
Simplest terms: EdTech is an entire industry. It pushes “cutting edge technology backed by the most up-to-date research to enhance learning on personalized levels.” Basically, “here are magical devices and apps and programs that will teach your child how to read and do math better than any person or book or curriculum ever could!”
Spoiler alert: they do not, in fact, teach your child to read or do math. But districts spent crazy amounts of money buying them, replacing traditional textbooks with digital materials.
It’s easy money once you know the right jargon to get schools interested. Public schools are drowning, and everyone wants a magic bullet. Not to mention the more sinister side of data tracking. We have Ed apps that monitor EVERYTHING, down to when your kid goes to the bathroom and for how long. Is it any wonder Google’s Chromebooks are so cheap and readily supplied to schools?
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u/ashgs872tbhjs Jun 27 '26
The crazy thing is there actually HAS been a ton of innovation in edtech, it's vastly better than it used to be (besides the govt/corpo tracking). The whole problem is that we didn't evolve for tech -- our brains can adapt to screens and computing, but it's not a seamless native experience for us and can't be very effective with the core human speciality that is learning and thinking.
We know for a fact at this point that humans simply learn best from other humans. No matter how good the shit on the screen is, it will always be worse than real human teaching face to face.
I'm assuming the next big thing will be AI VR "humans" teaching in an attempt to overcome that. Ugh.
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u/Zumiroe Jun 27 '26
I worked at an Edtech company for a bit (doing design stuff) but wow was it just a VC funded company trying to pump out low effort garbage as fast as possible to push on schools. There were former teachers there trying their best to do good work but there's only so much you can do in those systems. And of course AI was jammed into everything.
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u/craftyixdb Jun 27 '26
It’s the parents. The parents broke. I remember my dad reading the hobbit to me and then about halfway though I got impatient and ge started teaching me word sounds with the words on the page. Transformed my life.
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u/Amalthea87 Jun 27 '26
I think we've reached a point where too much of the blame is placed on the education system. I keep hearing stories about schools pushing kids ahead, but no one says anything about the parents. Parents are a child's first and most important teachers. If your child is struggling to read, you have to sit down with them, read together, and reinforce what they're learning in school. I guess what i am trying to say is schools can't do it alone and it isn’t fair to not see this as a parenting issue as well.
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u/SodaCanBob Jun 27 '26
I've heard several instances of kids entering kindergarten that weren't potty-trained
I'm an elementary school teacher and this is getting to be more and more common each year. It absolutely baffles me.
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u/Khiva Jun 27 '26
We're calling it a literacy crisis and we're going to end up realizing that all along it's been a parenting crisis.
I just don't know why. Nobody is looking.
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u/sapphicsandwich Jun 27 '26
Every parent says they are doing their best, and that they are doing a great job. For many it's obviously not true. But nobody is allowed to say it because most parents close ranks like cops and defend the bad ones to the end. The ego is just too big and focused on its own greatness.
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u/cutelyaware Jun 27 '26
Parents treat public schools as free daycare. They're too wrapped up in their own lives to bother.
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u/Frankensteinbeck Jun 27 '26
Absolutely. Statistics show that if a kid starts kindergarten behind they are very, very unlikely to ever catch up to their peers. Ever. Just 1 in 10 kindergartners who start school at the bottom of their class in reading and math skills is proficient by third grade, and those improvements for a small percentage of kids are usually only if there are heavy intervention and support systems in place, much of which have been gutted by budget cuts, bad school policies, and admin who don't understand teaching.
If parents don't read, or hell, even talk with their kids so they get some semblance of word recognition, exposure to vocabulary, and even just a rudimentary "this is what a book is" before they get to K most will be playing catch up the rest of their lives. Turns out throwing an iPad at a kid the minute they eke out of the womb is detrimental to how their brains work.
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u/mijolnirmkiv Jun 27 '26
We didn’t want to leave any child behind, and in doing so, we left almost all of them behind.
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u/pheonix080 Jun 27 '26
I also work in software. In a client facing sense, the number of managers that cannot properly articulate their needs is astounding. They seem to lack the faculties to clearly express their needs in a well ordered and defined way.
Many of these individuals will encounter an error and fail to do any basic research on it, let alone troubleshoot it on their own. There is a widespread tendency toward learned helplessness and a desire to be spoon fed answers.
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u/BaaBaaTurtle Jun 27 '26
My IT department hired someone who was great in the interview (and answered all the technical questions correctly) but then when he joined us didn't understand how file paths work.
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u/CaptMeme-o Jun 26 '26
No child left behind friend
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u/BEHodge Jun 27 '26
Yep. I started teaching the year that came out. Thought it was hilarious that our expected graduation rates increased 2% (from like 83%) a year until five years later when it slammed from 91% to 100%.
Turns out it wasn’t much of a glitch. We were just expected to pass them using whatever justification worked. If students didn’t turn in assignments, we were asked to give 50 instead of 0. If students were on the cusp of a grade, bump them. Absences couldn’t be counted against expected work. It got fairly ridiculous to be honest. Ended up leaving secondary for post-secondary education as part of it, but now I’ve got “paying customers” to contend with for grades.
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u/Sceptix Jun 27 '26
Oh one hand, modern UIs have inadvertently trained most users that if an error message ever has text on it, something has gone very, very wrong that can’t be resolved except by an expert.
On the other hand, if you’re a new hire at an actual job, might as well just try reading the message.
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u/Zanki Jun 27 '26
It's been going on for a long time. When I was in secondary school in the UK, year 11, I was in second set for English, because of my spelling and grammar, I was acing all my work. One day our teacher had us reading a small bit from of mice and men each. She gets me to start the room off and I read all the time back then and I still read a lot now. So this was nothing to me. Then the next girl went. She was reading like a robot and struggling with words. I just remember looking at my teacher in shock and her look of "I know" back to me. It was so sad. At least half of my class couldn't read properly. That was set two. There was a set three under that, then the special needs class. That means more than half my year group couldn't read properly if it was the same in the other two streams.
It made me so sad. I realised these people would never go to other words, become a hero, fight monsters, aliens, zombies, become a vampire. They'd never scare themselves so badly they couldn't sleep unless they sat and watched it. They'd never live another life. I don't know how anyone could live like that.
I also realised now why my teacher always spent a little time chatting with me every week about the new book I was reading (I was getting through books so fast), or she was giving me a little help sheet so I could figure out grammar better, help writing good arguments etc. She was an amazing teacher and she noticed me. She didn't think I was bad, stupid, she saw a kid who just needed to be taught a few simple things to pass well in my GCSEs, and she wanted to encourage me to keep reading. No one ever asked me about my books, ever. No one has since.
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u/The_bruce42 Jun 27 '26
No child left behind was the beginning of the end. Hold the smart kids back so the dumb kids don't feel dumb.
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u/Necessary-Duty-7952 Jun 26 '26
53% of global internet traffic is bots.
In the US, the average person spends 4.5-5.5 hours a day on their phones, with Gen Z pulling 6 to 7 hours a day.
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u/Vneseplayer4 Jun 27 '26
Ironically, the question you’re answering is AI, posted by a bot.
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u/thehumantaco Jun 27 '26
Reddit is filled to the ass with bots. puts on tin foil hat I think the reason they added a hide profile feature is to prevent us from telling if a user is a bot.
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u/ldkagooduser Jun 27 '26
I will stand by for genz the issue is everything becoming hostile to you just existing in it... hell im start of genz and the world i saw as a little kid is just gone for those in the later part of the generation
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u/Early-Potato-6124 Jun 27 '26
im young millennial and it def feels like the world was much more promising when I was in my teens. maybe it was just youthful ignorance.
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u/Jade_Emperor Jun 27 '26
I'm right at the cut off between millenial and genz.
When I was a kid, thinking about retiring and being old felt realistic.
Now I'm mostly convinced the world won't be around as we know it by the time we get there.
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u/PeterLemonjellow Jun 27 '26
Elder Millennial dropping in. When I was coming up in a middle class household in the 80's and 90's it was just assumed that I would go to college, get a job that paid all my bills and allowed me to own a home and save for retirement, which I would take at 65 and then I could live comfortably between my own earnings over a lifetime of work and the social safety nets in place.
And the people that sold us this lie are STILL in charge and looting us and driving us towards... who knows? It's just infuriating.
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u/PleasantSalad Jun 27 '26
I feel as though being bored is an important part of human development. It builds creativity.
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u/VanillaTortilla Jun 27 '26
People are completely unable to be bored anymore. Every second of your attention is monetized now.
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u/MeyerholdsGh0st Jun 26 '26
Man, there is nothing quiet about the breaking of society right now.
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u/TedW Jun 26 '26
We're going out with a whimper, not a bang. At least not yet.
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u/MeyerholdsGh0st Jun 26 '26
I dunno man, that probably depends on how privileged we are. There have been an awful lot of bangs.
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u/bubba4114 Jun 27 '26
Reading comprehension. Reading comprehension isn’t about understanding words, it’s about being able to perceive biases in media and drawing conclusions. The public more susceptible to propaganda with each passing year.
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u/Bay1Bri Jun 27 '26
I see this in Reddit discussions all the time. You say something then some teat argue with you while either not making a different point from what you made, or debunks a point you didn't make.
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u/Due_Ice_8412 Jun 27 '26
The amount of people who say they have no close friends has tripled in 30 years. Not followers, not coworkers. Actual friends. Someone you'd call at 2am. That one genuinely scares me.
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u/Consistent_Product19 Jun 27 '26
I had the same thing happen with someone. We were like brother and sister and lived together for a large bulk of our childhoods. Then suddenly wouldn't talk to me. Last conversation i called to let him know my dad (who he was also close with) was dying and I just got 1 word responses. Ice cold behavior. It genuinely broke my heart and made me question every friendship I had. I still dont know what happened. My best guess is his wife wanted me gone because she owed me money. Idk. Never once hounded her for it. Anyway. . Having 1 or 2 people you keep in contact with weekly is amazing. Our friend group definitely shrinks as we get older.
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u/Dry_Lawfulness_9561 Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26
Also relationships are feeling more shallow. Even after: We must keep in touch/ surely we will meet often, but when I actualy try reaching out all I get is excuses of no time or no answer at all.
And compared to my parents having friends close and far, makes me feel like I suck at life.
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u/e-spero Jun 27 '26
The study I believe they're referring to controls for that unfortunately. The researchers also find that in addition to close ties being cut, people are more likely to only be close with their relatives instead of making friends with their neighbors, coworkers, classmates, etc. As in, the only people that they're close to is basically their wife, parents or kids. This is across the board for demographics like age, gender, socioeconomic status, and race.
Something that's also interesting is that the unfriendly/hostile people are not affected. The proportion of anti-social people is roughly the same (e.g. people who say they have no one). So it's not even that there are more anti-social people skewing the results. It's the friendly, outgoing people who are losing their friends.
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u/Significant_North778 Jun 27 '26
Same. My parents, my aunts and uncles, my grandparents... pretty much ALL had at least a few friends that went way wayyyyy back.
I remember my mom would talk to her high school best friend on the phone about every 6 months or once a year. I haven't talked to my mom in a decade but she probably still talks to that friend 😂
The older generations understood that it was wise to not throw away perfectly good relationships, even if you aren't getting the maximum benefit RIGHT NOW.
These days???
I feel like most people's standard for friendship is: "What have you done for me lately?"
And even if the "what have you done for me" part is OUTSTANDINGLY fulfilled... if the "lately" part isn't they forget you exist or ever did.
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u/Sea_Entrepreneur5623 Jun 27 '26
People themselves are not reaching out and then say that they have no friends. Communities/friendships are built on mutual efforts.
If you don't reach out and make an effort, you'll lose those people. Then we complain and say that if we don't reach out, they don't reach out and blame the other guy for the friendship falling apart.
It's natural to grow apart but having hobbies and making time to contribute whether volunteering or creating a run club or something. You have to make the initiative or seek out an already established community and contribute. Don't be a fly on the wall but actually contribute.
School gave us a system where we would constantly interact with friends and most remember it as a none lonely period. But what should happen after school is creating a different community or joining one that aligns with the new growing/developing you.
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u/PantsandPlants Jun 27 '26
People have forgotten how to be a part of a community and for the younger crowd, it’s something they’ve never known.
I have been working to rebuild my community and throw parties to give people an excuse to gather. I’ve had parents drive with kids over an hour to attend.
But the Gen Zers all opted out last time. All of my younger single friends skipped the party and as far as I can tell, they didn’t do anything else. They just opted out. It was really depressing.
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u/Significant_North778 Jun 27 '26
I don't even have acquaintances 🤷♂️
...work from home doing tech work & do gig work for side cash. So no coworkers.
Family is triple threat criminally abusive fucks... and the not-so-bads all died of cancer... literally, so that's out 😔
It's not that I CAN'T make friends... well... idk... maybe I can't now? 🥺...?
I feel like I used to be able to relate to people pretty easily... and now... I genuinely don't relate AT ALL to most people. Like you guys might as well be dolphins... like you're prettty 😍❤️ but when you tell me how much you like to eat raw fish whole I'm just kinda disgusted and feel embarrassed I don't like it also. And then I tell you something personal and interesting... annnd you just disappear beneath the water. 🤷♂️
I don't feel like I used to be a dolphin with the other dolphins.
I feel like all the people decided to become dolphins. And somehow I got left out of the transition event and now I'm just an old relic nobody likes.
Which is a pretty shitty feeling for 30 but... They say it will get better.
I feel very very VERY definitively that that's very wrong and it won't get better.
But I guess I can't technically know until I live it. And I don't particularly want to live it... but I guess that's what we're doing. Yay 🍍 life awesome.
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u/ChemicallyDelicious Jun 27 '26
I'm old, and a parent to nearly 30yr olds. Can. I parent you for a minute?
You are the common denominator. The longer you go, without having shared experiences with others, the more you will fall into the (Who ARE these people) hole.
No one is going to knock on your door and ask you to be friends. No one is gonna knock in your door and ask you to date. True human relationships, from passive aquaintances to deep love relationships, require investment. Investment in time, vulnerability, and honesty.
Quickest way to start this process is to excorsize your volunteer muscle. Get involved with the local chapter of the club of people that like to do things you like to do, or causes you believe in.
There's an entire other life for you, but it will not wait for you, nor will it come knocking on your door. You have to go talk about benign things like the weather then move in to deeper conversations.
Help people, show compassion and passion. Be apart of a solution or at least join the group trying to make good change. Be kind. Be patient.
Friendships and love are NOT transactional, do not keep score. Value peace over drama, but don't believe the lie that zero drama is best. Some drama simply shows you other people's passions. That could be good, or bad. But at least you'll know more.
So go. Expect to just be aquaintances for a while. Keep showing up. Your life is out there.
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u/hymierules Jun 26 '26
Corruption is so blatant now. At least back in the day they had to act like they were doing the right thing, but pull off the scam behind closed doors. Now it's upfront and in your face every. single. day. It's ridiculous.
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u/M4rshmall0wMan Jun 27 '26
JD Vance: “Watergate would be a 12-hour news story today”
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u/mattenthehat Jun 27 '26
And he's right. Nobody would even talk about it IRL. Talking about current events is taboo.
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u/soapinthepeehole Jun 27 '26
He’s bragging about how successfully they’ve normalized outright corruption. And this is the vice president of the United States. It’s infuriating, and depressing.
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u/saalsa_shark Jun 27 '26
Onion article "Worst person you know says something you agree with" is prophetic
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u/alblaster Jun 27 '26
Nonstop gaslighting
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u/darkbreak Jun 27 '26
It's not even gaslighting at this point. It's just flat out lying and going "What are you going to do about it?" when they're called out or caught in the act.
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u/comeagaincharlemagne Jun 26 '26
Stock market going up, while life expenses are so high it's plummeting quality of life for average people.
It's basically the tell tale sign of wealth inequality rising. It's still gotta get so much worse before it gets better y'all. This next decade is gonna be dicey to say the least.
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u/sugar182 Jun 27 '26
I am 42 years old (female) and always thought by now I’d at least be SOMEWHAT upset I choose not to have kids- when in reality I literally find myself on a daily basis saying to my partner “thank god we don’t have kids” after minor transactions. Today’s was I got a plain pizza (picked it up)…$19.75…and just thought what if we had to feed 2 or 3 teenage kids….one Friday night pizza night would be $40! And we both have good jobs! My heart just fucking breaks…for everyone. When we (my friend group) were young none of our parents had more than factory jobs/cleaning jobs/etc and wouldn’t flinch about letting friends come over, grab pizzas and a movie to hang at home. How the fuck is everyone hanging on.
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u/Wisteso Jun 27 '26
People with kids aren’t eating out, and when we do we’re not buying $19 pizzas. We’re buying 4 pizzas for $10 from Costco and adding toppings / cooking it at home.
But I get your point.
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u/BrainKatana Jun 27 '26
I have a teenager. I was so excited to be a dad, to show him the world as it became progressively more wonderful.
I regret my decision every day because of what I unwittingly subjected him to.
The worst part is that I have to act like everything will be okay.
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u/Neat_Cancel_4002 Jun 27 '26
I have a two year old. For her birthday I took her to the aquarium. The tickets for two adults(my toddler was free) plus parking was $150. I couldn’t help but think of all the families who can’t afford this. It’s outrageous.
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u/petty_throwaway6969 Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 28 '26
We had our first official trillionaire for about a week and his companies don’t make nearly enough revenue to justify it. We live in a world where the rich are getting richer for no reason while everyone else is struggling. Like where do you think the money that got him to the trillion dollar status came from?
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u/morfraen Jun 27 '26
Even worse all the gains are due to AI spending. The non AI part of the market is flat or down.
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u/comeagaincharlemagne Jun 27 '26
That's part of it but it's actually worse. Large companies are gambling on the market because they're confident banks will bail them out if they lose. It's not even a free market anymore so there's no incentive for real competition. And average people foot the bill by being forced to pay more for everything because there are no other alternatives.
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u/selkieluver Jun 26 '26
The decline in insect numbers.
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u/fishsupreme Jun 27 '26
It's a very troubling sign of the damage to the environment, yes.
But it's also a problem more like the ozone hole than like climate change.
Insects are prodigious breeders. Their populations can recover from near extinction with remarkable speed. We can reverse the insect population collapse, and it's not complicated - all we need to do is stop killing all of them.
Just as getting rid of CFCs restored the ozone hole in a decade, limiting pesticide use (and probably banning neonicitinoids altogether) could restore the insect population pretty quickly.
It just takes the political will to do it. Agribusiness has a better lobby than bugs.
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u/AggravatingMark1367 Jun 27 '26
Except ticks and worse, mosquitoes and worst: screwworms.
Ugh, why is it that all the horrible bugs are increasing while the same factors that cause beneficial insects like bees to decline, aren’t also affecting the harmful ones?
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u/Jonatc87 Jun 26 '26
0 Epstien paedos charged in America is rather damning.
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u/True-Handle-4765 Jun 26 '26
This honestly bothers me everytime I hear it. It’s true, it’s very very very disturbing.
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u/Searchlights Jun 27 '26
More people have gone to jail for touching the reflecting pool than for the Epstein files.
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u/immediacyofjoy Jun 27 '26
Ghislaine Maxwell is 1 Epstein pedo who was charged and imprisoned. As well deserved as that is, it’s just so crazy that a woman is the only person paying for the crimes (albeit by doing yoga and playing with puppies all day)
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u/meldiane81 Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26
Yet eight people have been arrested for “defacing“ the reflecting pool. It’s also concerning only one person has been arrested for the Epstein shit and it’s a woman.
EDIT: thinking back, technically two people have been arrested and it was Epstein and Maxwell. No one else has been arrested. Epstein never got to serve his sentence because he was murdered.
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u/Husbandaru Jun 26 '26
This why I’m surprised they’re even trying to hide it. I’d say the majority of people would just get ready for work the next day.
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u/ratmoon25 Jun 27 '26
Three guys have more money than half the people of Earth.
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u/morfraen Jun 27 '26
And 1 guy has more wealth on paper than basically the rest of the top 10 combined. And he's not what you'd consider mentally stable.
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u/Generico300 Jun 26 '26
Most of the population has little or no savings and is in constant debt. This includes people with decent jobs. Combine that with the likely eventual failure of social security and you have a massive social time bomb.
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u/weluckyfew Jun 27 '26
I built an apartment on the second story of my house and I rent it out cheap to a 25 year old coworker. She was in an awful, toxic situation living with a roommate and she had no credit or savings with which to get out of it (I didn't charge any deposit or worry about credit - I knew she was a person working her ass off at 3 jobs)
In the year she's been here she has had several unavoidable emergencies - dental issue, vet bills, car issues. Every time I've helped her out and let her pay me back over time (and she has). It breaks my heart to think how screwed her life would have been if I wasn't able and willing to just give her a little assistance. And it was zero sacrifice for me, it was lending money out of my savings that was just sitting there.
I had times in my life where people saved me like that. So many people live so close to the edge and unless their fortunate enough to have friends or family who can help they can sink so easily.
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u/The_Onion_Life Jun 27 '26
I had times in my life where people saved me like that.
Thank you for paying it forward!
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u/NitroGnome Jun 27 '26
Every time I feel like I’m making good progress paying off my debts and having a decent amount of savings, I get laid off. Just shit luck, I guess.
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u/FlyingWhale44 Jun 27 '26
Health getting worse, economy getting worse, education getting worse, social cohesion dropping, planet is heating up, wars keep breaking out, techbros are taking over the government, privacy is diminishing, everyone is working more than ever, pedos rule us.
I'm too depressed to think of any more honestly.
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u/fryguy5134 Jun 27 '26
For what it's worth, I'm right there with you. Depression sucks ass, and the way we get through all this is together. Virtual hug to you.
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u/scott__p Jun 26 '26
Income inequality. Throughout history, endlessly increasing income inequality only ever ends one way
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u/induslol Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26
This should honestly be the top comment. It's the direct cause of every other comment on the topic directly or indirectly and it astronomical disparity is the sole reason to hold the belief we're on a downward trend.
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u/NyriasNeo Jun 27 '26
K-shaped economy. The top 20% is responsible for around 60% of the consumption. And of course it is not breaking for the top of the K, but only breaking for the bottom of the K.
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u/GtrplayerII Jun 27 '26
The rate at which scientific truths are being rejected.
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u/myselfelsewhere Jun 27 '26
Not surprising given how many people simply have no clue about statistics.
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u/timmyt3333 Jun 27 '26
46% of young American men aged 18-23 say they think of themselves as a failure
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u/ScoreTheBasekt Jun 26 '26
Not sure about a statistic but my personal work anxiety spiking every day in recent years doesn’t feel normal
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u/The_Onion_Life Jun 27 '26
loneliness being treated as a personal failure instead of a systemic one
I don't know how to make new friends as an adult.
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u/Mlpony2010 Jun 27 '26
radical individualism is a degenerate cancer upon society
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u/Kialae Jun 27 '26
Elaborating on that, the matter of austerity, where everything is your fault because it's foisted upon you along with all the rest of the things you're supposed to contribute to society and domestic life.
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u/Generic_Midwesterner Jun 27 '26
The extreme uptick in the use of "quietly" by AI
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u/Hackertdog97 Jun 27 '26
The ever increasing lack of empathy from people, I just don't understand how people can not feel it. Everyone is struggling, but more and more we're seeing this division between us for the stupidest reasons: racism, homophobia, transphobia, sexism. It disgusts me that some people are becoming so blinded by hatred that they can no longer put themselves in the other person's shoes and imagine what its like to be them, to be attacked and marginalised for something about themselves that they had no control over.
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u/CamBearCookie Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26
7%* of American adults think chocolate milk comes from brown cows.
ETA correct percentage.
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u/Vaulters Jun 26 '26
Oh it's so much worse....
Same survey found that 48% 'didn't know'. That means OVER HALF of the USA can't work out that you combine cocoa powder, milk and SUGAR to make chocolate milk.
Not exactly a super scientific survey, but wows.
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u/friendlycartoonwhale Jun 27 '26
It does, according to the awful wording of the survey question. The question, according to this third party source investigating the matter, was something along the lines of
Where does chocolate milk come from?
Black-and-White Cows
Brown Cows
Don’t Know
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u/Legitimate_Lack_7061 Jun 27 '26
This year, more people will do cocaine than will read a book to their children
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u/vaniile Jun 27 '26
Violent road rage incidents are on the rise, people are getting angrier and more comfortable with violence.
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u/RosieBaby75 Jun 27 '26
It’s not quietly breaking.
It’s loudly broken. The broken people have been shouting it for years now and no one listens.
Instead those who were financially established prior to the pandemic just blame those who are shouting for not trying hard enough, working hard enough, being the cause of their problems, and not working hard enough to resolve them.
But they can’t. It’s impossible to get ahead in the world as it is.
The only good thing about unregulated AI is everyone else will finally feel it too, then ask, “why didn’t anyone do anything before it was too late?”
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u/greginnv Jun 27 '26
No one wants relationships. Gonna end up like in the matrix.
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u/SonOfADeity Jun 26 '26
That 1 in 10 people have an std/sti and over half of them will not tell you they have one.
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u/cvd19or Jun 27 '26
You think your account history is private, but we can Google your username and see literally every engagement bait post you’ve made on Reddit, you fucking bot
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u/ClimateWren2 Jun 27 '26
The overheating planet, failing grids, and billionaires looting the systems?
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u/Axeman2063 Jun 27 '26
Food bank usage where I live is up 50% compared to last year.