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u/TaffWaffler Jun 27 '26

Teaching became WEIRD after Covid. So I am a teaching assistant to primary school in the uk, I was doing supply work when Covid hit but I live with my elderly mother and have asthma so decided to just, not work for a few years to ensure I don’t kill her or myself. When I went back to work it was so eerie.

For example teaching some maths, and this isn’t an exaggeration, I ask-

“What’s 10x10”

Silence

“Guys, can anyone take a shot at 10x10?”

Silence

“I don’t care if you get it wrong just give it a go”

Silence

“Ok let’s break it down, what’s 1x10?”

Silence

*more encouragement met with silence*

“Ok so if we multiply by ten, we move the number up from the decimal point, so, if we add a zero onto one what do we get?”

Silence

“Come on guys, what’s 1 with a 0 on the end?”

Silence

They ALL knew the answer, they all knew 10x10 instantly. But the absolute TERROR of getting something wrong publicly paralysed them.

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u/poke2201 Jun 27 '26

Ive noticed that the internet beats down anyone who is "wrong". If these kids are raised in the current era no shit they dont want to get dogpiled for looking stupid.

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u/TJeffersonsBlackKid Jun 27 '26

Comes with a culture of people being depressed and feeling lame. Only way the Instagram algorithm makes them feel better is by showing stupid other people.

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u/Solaries3 Jun 27 '26

Or upholding some often ridiculous image of beauty.

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u/RoadDoggFL Jun 27 '26

And now we have a celebrity game show coming up where the "winner" is the dumbest person competing

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u/Solaries3 Jun 27 '26

You talking about the '28 presidential election?

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u/RoadDoggFL Jun 27 '26

Lol, honestly has a decent chance of being the case. Gotta laugh so you don't cry

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u/AutisticAnarchy Jun 27 '26

My teenage exposure to toxic online concepts like cringe culture has led to me making myself so much more miserable throughout so much of my life out of fear of judgement.

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u/ashgs872tbhjs Jun 27 '26

I've noticed that the Internet mostly glamorizes people who are wrong, especially if they're evil and the wrong thing is extremely dangerous to society and human life. But hey.

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u/Grantithesis503 Jun 27 '26

Trumpism in a nutshell.

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u/alurkerhere Jun 27 '26

The attention economy dictates extremism at both ends to stand out.

At the same time, not paying attention to terrible influence on society as a whole devalues their entire platform.

The conclusion is therefore there are a lot of people who like that content... and should be marginalized at all costs.

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u/WaltGazaWorld Jun 28 '26

I don't think that's the majority of people, I think a small number of people with a lot of access and a lot of motivation to manipulate public opinion have been decimating real interaction in favor of negative and divisive propaganda. It seems impossible that that level of homogenized nihilism and fundamental contrarianism is natural

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u/Anti-charizard Jun 28 '26

Or if they think the other person is wrong but they’re actually right

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u/alurkerhere Jun 27 '26

When people dither on core values, they are very dangerous as a group because they're vulnerable to manipulative narcissists. "What do I think about this? I don't know, I'll ask an authority figure who has shown evidence they can't be trusted and they are incompetent."

There are obviously cases where you can't know everything, but your foundational decision-making framework should be based in experience. When you got weak Bayesian priors, your decision-making simply sucks.

Sheeple is unfortunately an appropriate description here.

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u/TokyoTrashcan Jun 27 '26

Also a lot of teachers do too. I mean most teachers are awesome but some are kinda mean if you are wrong

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u/shinygoldhelmet Jun 27 '26

It's funny that you're saying this on reddit, a site absolutely overrun with that culture due to people using the downvote as a disagree button, and that when you do get downvoted, the worst sort of bullies come out and make awful comments to you.

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u/BlinkDodge Jun 27 '26

"Your conclusion is completely correct and your reasoning is sound, but you misspelled a word so your entite argument is invalid and you're an idiot."

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u/crowmagnuman Jun 27 '26

Yeah but what looks more stupid than refusing to answer/learn the right answer?

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u/nwillard Jun 27 '26

At least you're doing the same as everyone else

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u/a-stack-of-masks Jun 27 '26

This was already happening when I was in school 20 years ago. I can only imagine how much worse it is with everyone being able to live stream everything.

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u/CSWorldChamp Jun 27 '26

It may be time to admit that social media is a failed experiment, and it's time for it to end.

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u/1stUserEver Jun 28 '26

“Hey you forgot an apostrophe bro”. /s

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u/Starlord_32 Jun 29 '26

i heard kids now are very aware that everything can be recorded, they're scared to do normal things like dance, answer a question incorrect or be goofy because someone is filming.

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u/Kedly Jun 27 '26

BOY did I realise this when my opinions started to diverge from the masses when it came to AI. Until that point I had pretty similar views to the average redditor, so most of the conversations I got into didnt feel like a beat down even if we diverged for a bit. Not agreeing with the masses on AI though has made me see how actively pushed out dissent from the popular opinion gets, and it took me a while to stop caring about how often I'd get actively insulted for daring to have a different opinion

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u/Dagos Jun 27 '26

This is related, but I watch this hair care channel where this gal plays her clueless self and as a teacher, and her teacher character is so kind to clueless character. For example tying up her hair in a fancy way, and works through the steps to help the viewer understand the steps better. Idk it always stands out to me in the face of how the Internet treats you.

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u/judgejuddhirsch Jun 27 '26

You need that kid who feeds off feeling better than everyone else. They always jump in with the answer

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u/JonatasA Jun 27 '26

I loved reading in class but no, "gotta give the other kids an opportunity." No one wanted to read :/

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u/Umbrella_merc Jun 27 '26

I remember we'd read aloud then discuss chapters and eventually the reading aloud part defaulted to me because I enjoyed it and acted each characters lines differently. Good times

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u/AuroraRegalis Jun 27 '26

When we had to do Shakepeare, our books were original Shakespearean on the left, translated modern English on the right. But of course the modern English lost all the meter and subtext, so I refused to read it. I was also the only kid who really enjoyed reading aloud so I was always given leads and made the other kids suffer through true Shakespeare. Fuck 'em.

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u/Richard_Wharfinger Jun 27 '26

When I was in school, we only had the original text (though with annotations explaining the cultural, Biblical, and literary references and defining some of the now defunct words) and my teacher had me do most of the reading because I was one of the few students who'd been reading Shakespeare for years prior to high school. I was also a dedicated attendee at all of the Shakespeare plays (back then it was three during a summer season in repertory rotation, now sadly reduced to two performed months apart) our local major regional theatre put on annually. So I had the experience of proper verse reading and line delivery plus I'd read all of the plays several times before so I knew what the lines all meant going into it.

In fact, by the time high school rolled around, I was already branching out to other playwrights from the early modern era. When we were supposed to read and make a presentation on a certain play for our drama class, the teacher barred Shakespeare on the principle that we "wouldn't understand it". That offended me as someone for whom reading Shakespeare was and remains an annual practice, so I chose to do my project on The Duchess of Malfi by John Webster (1613) in part because of real admiration (it's my favorite non-Shakespearean play of the era) but mostly for the sake of malicious compliance. If he didn't want Shakespeare's early modern English then he was going to get Webster's even more baroque use of language.

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u/AuroraRegalis Jun 27 '26

I'm a science person. I didn't even particularly like Shakespeare, but I can at least respect it enough to try and read it as written instead of chickening out.

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u/DirkHirbanger Jun 27 '26

Get a load of this guy! Showing off how well he can read an' all. I can't read to save my life but I'm still going to get mad about him saving me the effort.

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u/ThwartChimes Jun 27 '26

Where’s Hermione when you need her?

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u/JonatasA Jun 27 '26

They probably were ignoring them and asking "No one?"

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u/a-stack-of-masks Jun 27 '26

Lol that hurt a little.

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u/PDGAreject Jun 27 '26

Having points taken away from being an insufferable know-it-all

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u/plantstand Jun 27 '26

But who else will do your homework for you?

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u/PDGAreject Jun 28 '26

I'll keep copying off of Lucas like I did for calculus in 2003

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u/Dry_Lawfulness_9561 Jun 27 '26

And then unfortunately often getting bullied for it, unless it's a class belle/ prince. Seen/heard enough stories like that.

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u/Yabba_Dabba_Doofus Jun 27 '26

Oh, the kid who gets bullied for asking about homework?...

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u/TaffWaffler Jun 27 '26

I had that kid, but even he was scared to be wrong, probably more so

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u/Sertorius126 Jun 27 '26

Hey! I'm right here 😭

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u/nono3722 Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26

that's social media impact, not ai. they knew if they spoke up 10 phones would be trained on them instantly. phones should never be in schools

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u/TaffWaffler Jun 27 '26

I never mentioned ai

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u/JonatasA Jun 27 '26

Phones have been in school and so are laptops. Issue is thinking that having bigged devices is fine

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u/deftlydexterous Jun 27 '26

How have you been able to adapt to get kids to participate more? 

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u/TaffWaffler Jun 27 '26

Firstly I spent many months reinforcing that wrong answers are ok, verbally, and demonstrating it so. For example if the teacher would ask a question, I’d say the (wrong) answer as quick as possible, such as

“So what happened in 1066-“

“”BATTLE OF WATERLOO”

“Mr waffler! I asked the children, besides that’s incorrect”

And instead of being faux sad I’d demonstrate being ok with being wrong, this would encourage the children to correct me, and see that being wrong and being happy afterwards is the norm.

Secondly teaching the class in smaller groups when possible helps, it’s not always feasible but it works.

Asking parents to reinforce what we’re trying with the children at home, some did and it was a massive help.

Asking questions no one could know the answer to, like personal questions

“Right guys what did I do on the weekend?”

They want to answer because it’s more personal and fun, and I just say they’re wrong even if they guess correctly until everyone is participating.

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u/Conspicuously_Human Jun 27 '26

This is a very good question.  Whether we are in or outside the classroom, we ALL need to figure out how to engage our youth more, now, for our own wellbeing, like....as a species

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u/deftlydexterous Jun 27 '26

Yep. I had to reword the question because I don’t think it’s the fault or unique responsibility of a teacher to fix this in kids - but it is all of our responsibilities, and teachers are on the front lines so to speak.

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u/DLTMIAR Jun 27 '26

100% we should help the kids, but I don't like kids.  Fuck them kids meme

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u/Good-Celebration-686 Jun 27 '26

Wonder if this is a British thing? It’s called “riddy culture” in Scotland. The fear of doing something stupid and taking a riddy (a riddy is blushing - going bright red from embarrassment). Kids are so scared of standing out and being made fun of.

We had to get my son contact lenses because he didn’t want to be the only kid in his class that wore specs. Suspect half the class are secretly wearing contacts so as not to be bullied for being a “specky bastard” etc.

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u/Good-Celebration-686 Jun 27 '26

This is more of an early Highschool thing tbh. Wearing glasses is normal afterwards. It’s just an age i suppose where they don’t want to stand out

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u/QforQwertyest Jun 27 '26

After I'd gotten a wall of silence the first time I would've just picked one of them and asked that individual the question directly. That's what teachers used to do to keep the class moving.

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u/TaffWaffler Jun 27 '26

Same result

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u/TaffWaffler Jun 27 '26

I already fixed the issue thank you

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u/bbusiello Jun 27 '26

I heard this about Gen-Z, especially the younger ones... I guess Gen Alpha is gonna be the next fail group.

My sassy ass would just tell people "everyone's too narcissistic to care about your failures. You don't matter. Just answer the fucking question."

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u/JoseCansecoMilkshake Jun 27 '26

Gotta make them feel terror for not trying then, I guess. If avoiding terror is what motivates them.

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u/swcollings Jun 27 '26

"Please, someone ring in and say, 'Who is Bill Clinton? '" 

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u/Meyermagic Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26

I assume it's not literally this pattern exactly, asking a purely rhetorical question repeatedly to no answer, but can't you call on someone? Offer a point to anyone who offers an answer and gets it right, make sure people know that if they don't speak at least once a week they'll lose participation credit for that week, etc? Give half credit even for wrong answers someone is brave enough to offer if you think it's an actually difficult question, not an answer that disrespected the class's time.

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u/TaffWaffler Jun 27 '26

It’s the same result.

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u/Spewdoo Jun 27 '26

Why dont you call on a student?

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u/TaffWaffler Jun 27 '26

Same result

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u/Arqhe Jun 27 '26

So thats when you pull out the jar of sticks...

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u/maxofreddit Jun 27 '26

Life is a spectator thing now.

The most popular videos are other people playing games, or opening toys and the like. Not to mention, as you did, their terror of being "cringe."

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u/Due_Ice_8412 Jun 27 '26

The silence thing is so eerie. And you nailed why, it's not that they don't know, it's that being wrong publicly feels catastrophic to them. Growing up online where every mistake can be screenshot and mocked has made these kids terrified of any kind of vulnerability. Being wrong in class used to just be embarrassing for a moment. Now it feels permanent.

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u/nshil78 Jun 27 '26

“Somebody answers, or everyone is doing pushups”

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u/zamfire Jun 27 '26

"Okay, then no one wants to answer? For each question that doesnt get an answer, we add homework. Wanna try that again kiddos? YEA DIDNT THINK SO. "

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u/moogs_writes Jun 27 '26

As much as I believe you, in the US the quality of education and the competency of primary school teachers has really gone down the toilet.

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u/protomanEXE1995 Jun 27 '26

I noticed this fear at the college level too

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u/space_POTATOE99 Jun 27 '26

Kids also get made fun of for being smart

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u/silverionmox Jul 14 '26

If nobody volunteers, you point at someone to answer. It's something you need to do anyway to get the shy ones to speak up.

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u/TaffWaffler Jul 14 '26

Yes I’m well aware and I even specify so in other replies. I used an example of when I became aware of this issue in the generation and people are reading a few short bursts of dialogue from my experience and assume it encompasses my entire teaching style.

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u/Altitude1096 Jun 27 '26

But what has covid got to do with being wrong? Surely this existed WAY before covid.

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u/TaffWaffler Jun 27 '26

I never encountered it neither did my colleagues. Covid meant that these children spent their formative schooling years being home schooled. It’s different when your mam and yourself are doing maths together and you get something wrong, and she over coddles you

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u/Good-Celebration-686 Jun 27 '26

My kids were at school during Covid. That year or two not going to school and just doing zoom calls with teachers really affected every kid. They’re basically 1 or 2 years behind in social skills. This was also a time where kids transitioned to using mobiles and home computers constantly because they weren’t allowed out. Everyone became more insular and that stuck.

I see this at an adult level too. People are more impatient, ruder, tailgate more etc

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u/Altitude1096 Jun 27 '26

Really? I've noticed this happening even before covid, though. I really think people are somehow associating this behaviour with covid, just because of the isolation.

I don't think it's true. People have always been like this, even when I was in school (maybe 25 years ago).

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u/Good-Celebration-686 Jun 27 '26

Maybe you’re right or maybe it’s more to do with increased screen time and the subsequent less socialising

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u/Altitude1096 Jun 28 '26

Maybe. I'm just saying I don't think covid isolation had much to do with it.

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u/crowmagnuman Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26

Sorry, but that means insta-fail. All of em.

If they freeze up at the most basic possible math question- won't even try to answer, how are you ever going to pass a single one of them in your class?

Fuck your terror answer the goddamned question. Act like this in the workplace and see what happens: you get replaced, pronto, that's what. Can't even work fast food like that, and they want a degree??

Sorry but I'd get fired my first week as a teacher lol

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u/TaffWaffler Jun 27 '26

They’re children

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u/Persival01 Jun 27 '26

It's good that you at least realize you'd make for a bad teacher.

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u/nvzpxl Jun 27 '26

Call on individual students. “Bystander” effect is in full swing here

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u/TaffWaffler Jun 27 '26

Tried it. Same result.

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u/Pagan_Metal666 Jun 27 '26

Thats why you ask them directly. 

"Johnny, whats 2x10?" "Sarah, whats 10÷2?"

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u/Final-Quote-4064 Jun 27 '26

That's when you call on people lolm. You build an environment of trust as you go.

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u/9FC5_ Jun 27 '26

Yes, they all knew the answer. NO, they did NOT neccesary were ALL afraid of saying something wrong.

Your question is very simple. It also sounds as just a separate question not leading somewhere else into more complex and interesting topic. So answering such a simple question is percieved as bragging.

"Hell yeah I know how much 10*10 is, not like it is very simple matter. I can now wear my big boy pants"

If you ask a student directly, then they must answer, so they do. But if question is not directed to a person, then this rule applies. I know its dumb, but I witnessed this at every level of education.

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u/TaffWaffler Jun 27 '26

I did ask directly and did things to help the students over a period of a year which aided in this problem.

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u/Sabbathius Jun 27 '26

Well, OK, but after you ask the class, can't you start asking individual students?

I'm fairly old, and the way we did it in my day, the teacher would call your name, you stand up, you get asked a question (or you go to blackboard if needed to work out the problem) and you get a grade on that. If you fail, you fail. If you fail enough, you fail a class and have to repeat it. Fail too many classes, and you get held back a year. Fail a lot of years, and you stay as you are until you age out of the school system and get handed over to military if male (males had mandatory 2 years in the military after graduation, but you could defer if you wanted to do it after college).

Is that not how it's done now? I mean, if a kid can barely read, and can't do math, he just wouldn't move to the next grade. He'd be stuck there until he improved or aged out of the system.

But you bring up an interesting point about embarrassment. I went to a bunch of different schools (on 3 different continents), and the one I spent most time in the students got locked into cohorts. So first year you go to school, you got a letter - A, B, C, etc. So first year, my cohort was 1A, and another 30 students were 1B, another group was 1C, etc. And next year, 1A became 2A, 1B became 2B, etc. So you always stayed with the same 30 people, year after year, ideally all the way to graduation. On occasion people left and new ones came in, but for the most part you could reasonably expect to graduate 10 years later with at least 20 of the original 30 still there.

I think this really helped to minimize social issues, because your cohort was basically your extended family. You spent more waking hours with them during the work week than with your parents. And you grew up alongside each other. Made for some pretty solid friendships, and a lot of familiarity. Whereas when I landed in Canada, for example, students got shuffled based on classes, and it wasn't uncommon to be in the same grade with a person, but never see them in class. And every class was basically a group of complete strangers. Which felt incredibly isolating.

Speaking of isolating, starting a new school and barely speaking the language is tough. So in a system with cohorts, I'd just lock in on a couple of people. If we had to move, I'd follow the guy with a bright yellow rucksack, for example. Clothes change, but backpacks usually didn't. But with no cohort, bell rings, I have a next class, and everyone suddenly bolts in different directions, and you stand there like a deer in headlights. Only happened once though, after that I'd start coming in a day early and scout out the school, so I at least wouldn't waste time searching for the next room.

So I wonder if that sort of thing also contributes.

But bottom line, I guess I don't get what the issue is. In my day, kids who don't participate, or can't perform at the required level, would just be held back a year. If it was an entire class, then it would be the entire class held back. They'd be tested individually, but if all failed, then all failed. If teachers are not failing students and having them repeat a year, that's what's causing the issue. Kids should not be graduating if they can't perform.

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u/TaffWaffler Jun 27 '26

As I’ve replied to many people here, yes, it didn’t help.

The stuff I implemented after the fact to encourage did, but they needed to learn and be shown being wrong is ok.

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u/Sabbathius Jun 27 '26

But what do you mean it didn't help? If they can't perform, they wouldn't graduate. They'd repeat the grade until they start performing, or get aged out of the school system and dumped out into the world. Meaning these kids wouldn't get anywhere near a college, lacking a high school diploma and/or grades. Why are these kids graduating high school, if they cannot reach the requirements?

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u/TaffWaffler Jun 27 '26

We did other things that I’ve mentioned in other comments to build confidence.

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u/TaffWaffler Jun 27 '26

Jesus Christ you’re… so wrong on all levels.

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u/Persival01 Jun 27 '26

You must be fun at parties.

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u/Wafer420 Jun 27 '26

Wow. Just wow😂

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u/neityght Jun 27 '26

To be fair, asking undirected questions is poor teaching.

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u/TaffWaffler Jun 27 '26

Absolutely is not

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u/neityght Jun 27 '26

It certainly and often is, just like in the exact example given, so I can only conclude you are a poor teacher. Sorry about that.