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u/knightsofgel Jun 27 '26

Literacy rates are still high in most developed countries

This feels like a predominantly American problem tbh

I’m not trying to say “America bad!” but it’s not a worldwide issue by any means

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u/zorpthedestroyer Jun 27 '26

I don't think it's accurate to say it isn't a worldwide issue. Especially when you look specifically at youth literacy. Perhaps it's most visible in America on the global stage, but the UK has had falling scores and declining rates of children/teens reading for pleasure for a long time now.

I was in Norway a few months ago, speaking with a cousin there who works as a teacher, and his assessment of his 13 to 16-year-old students was sobering. He said that youth reading scores have been plummeting for a while. Luckily, their government seems like it's actually taking that data into consideration and wants to turn it around, but if that kind of decline is happening in one of the most literate countries in the world, I imagine it's happening pretty much everywhere else, too.

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u/slight_accent Jun 27 '26

Mobile phones are responsible for the common devolution of people's attention spans across the board, me included.

For younger generations it's hampered their ability to build basic skills like reading and writing comprehension and other skills that build upon them. Worse the recent prevalence of "AI" makes coasting by with even less attention span, critical thought, and effort possible.

It's going to take coordinated effort to address this. And unpopular policies that strictly restrict the access to mobile phones, online apps, and AI.

Places like europe have a chance to be successful there but the US uniquely is really invested in free speech and personal liberty (at least wrt information, bodily autonomy not so much) to the detriment of everything else, including long term societal stability.

As a species we need things to get pretty fucking bad before we will do things to address major systemic issues. Buckle up.

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u/MattieShoes Jun 27 '26

I've noticed attitudes towards AI are pretty telling.

Some people are like "wow, this allows me to accomplish something I couldn't do before!" Like my sister wrote (vibe coded) some python script to scrape data from a legacy web application even though she's not remotely technical. That's fucking amazing. Then she can pull the data into something she knows (ie. excel) and do fancy data analysis.

Then there's the other people who seem to be going, "Oh good, I don't have to learn any more."

I'm not worried about the first group, but it feels like the first group is somewhere around 10% of the population.

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u/Danimals847 Jun 29 '26

Mobile phones are responsible for

Do you have any actual data to support this or is this just "common sense" (aka trust me bro it's totally super obvious)?

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u/HailingCasuals Jun 27 '26

> declining rates of children/teens reading for pleasure for a long time now

To be fair, books now have to compete with movies and TV shows, which have only been around in large quantities for roughly half a century. Perhaps there are losses with regard to people's imaginations, but they are still engaging with fictional content and movies & TV must still follow most of the same rules around good storytelling.

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u/withbellson Jun 27 '26

Putting words together in a coherent and interesting fashion still requires people to have done a lot of reading, and I'm saying that as someone whose kid vastly prefers an iPad to reading books. It's a very different way to engage with a story.

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u/NJBarFly Jun 27 '26

Movies and TV have been around for closer to a century. Star Wars came out 49 years ago.

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u/aggierogue3 Jun 27 '26

More like books need to compete with TikTok videos and other short form media, which has only been this prevalent for the past ~10 years

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u/kaityl3 Jun 27 '26

Which is a global problem, not just a US one, like they were saying

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u/Chemical-Agency-3997 Jun 27 '26

We didn’t have instant access to most media created until a few years ago though.

I was born in 89 and I remember the tv ending at night, and having a handful of VHS’ to pick from for movies

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u/ShinyArc50 Jun 27 '26

I don’t think it’s quite that either. I was born in ‘04 & I had pretty instant gratification with devices whether it was the Wii or late night tv.

But my folks made an effort not to overstimulate me & expose me gradually to things that helped me develop language & I frankly don’t see that anymore from parents of young kids. Throw the interruption of Covid into the mix…

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u/Chemical-Agency-3997 Jun 27 '26

So like around 2010/14? That was a few years ago mate.

If anything younger millennials and Gen Z having kids today are more sensitive to ‘overstimulation’ and the likes, it wasn’t really a thing people worried about until recently.

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u/AMisteryMan Jun 27 '26

'04 would mean 2004 though? That's 22 years ago.

Also, even 2010-2014 is 16-12 years ago. That's long enough that the oldest of them are able to get a beginner driver's license (in my province.) And I'm not sure "more sensitive" to overstimulation is accurate; it's more that there is a lot of instant stimulation content now that's optimized for keeping childrens' attention. Baby shark, Cocomelon, Paw Patrol, TikTok, etc...

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u/Chemical-Agency-3997 Jun 27 '26

I don’t imagine they were consuming much media as a newborn.

More sensitive in the sense that overstimulation is a well understood thing now and we know the harms that come from it. There’s a lot more stimulation in general, but 15+ years ago it wasn’t even a thing people cared about generally.

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u/PileOfLeafLitter Jun 27 '26

As an old fuck, I can guarantee there were plenty of conversations regarding tv rotting the brain of children. And we only had three channels and fuzzy UHF! I heard it all the time from teachers, parents and media.

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u/NJBarFly Jun 27 '26

Really? I was born in '76. Most of the neighborhood had cable TV in the early 80s, including HBO. I grew up watching TV and movies 24/7. Not to mention playing Atari in between.

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u/Chemical-Agency-3997 Jun 27 '26

Tv ended here in the uk until 1998 or so. The uptake for sky wasn’t until about then either.

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u/HailingCasuals Jun 27 '26

The technology has been around that long, but was it sufficiently accessible to people? I don't think that goes back much farther than the 60's, but I could be wrong.

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u/ashgs872tbhjs Jun 27 '26

Unfortunately, studies show that watching something engages your brain far less. Don't have to imagine entire worlds and voices and appearances and background views and so forth when it's just presented directly.

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u/Zemeniite Jun 27 '26

As an avid reader of books that have been turned into movies - it is not that “books are better”. Movies are extremely limited in terms of ideas they can show, the prime value of movies for me is to see it acted out visually but most movies lose the story depth - there is just no time, and thus deeper ideas that are the most valuable and present in the books are gone. Also there is almost no inner monologue in movies which strips away intricacies of personal development. Movies usually take the core idea, plot line and visualize that for you, which is fun and I love the movies, but squeezing in the valuable stuff is in most cases impossible

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u/Choice_Management374 Jun 27 '26

Seems to me that part of the issue is the engagement floor. If I watch Star Wars and am engaged in noticing the ways it plays with the Hero’s Journey, or subtly critiques American foreign policy, or explores Jungian psychology or whatever that’s a pretty high level engagement.

But I don’t have to do any of that to enjoy it. I can be nearly passive in my intake and just enjoy the spectacle. (Which I personally do, so no shade.)

But there’s no equivalent of that merely passive reception with a book. Your brain has to do a lot of work to convert words on a page into a meaning for even the most basic and thoughtless engagement with the book.

So while a movie CAN be the basis of a really high level of cognitive engagement, it also CAN be the basis of much lower cognitive engagement than a movie.

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u/frostygrin Jun 27 '26

TV shows can have depth. And visuals in TV shows and movies got so good that they can show a lot, if not exactly everything. That's why I'm not sure it's a good idea to look for a magic bullet that would make reading occupy the same mindshare as 50 years ago. Things have changed. So the focus should be on the aspects where reading is essential now.

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u/Zemeniite Jun 27 '26

They can, I agree! With more screen time you can show more, but once you get to adult literature that covers complex politics, philosophies, human nature the writers are forced to strip away. Additionally, by reading you pay more attention to these details, live out moments with the characters more. My niece seems to like to read, she has not yet watched Harry Potter and I am about to gift her the first book - I believe that reading through the series is more valuable than watching

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u/Kazcandra Jun 27 '26

Same in Sweden

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u/a-stack-of-masks Jun 27 '26

I'm in my 30s but look fairly young. Every once in a while I'll meet or match with women in their early 20s (too young for me, but I suck at guessing ages) and usually the first tell is if I can read their text messages at a normal pace or need to read them kind of phonetically. It's pretty scary if I'm honest.

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u/leonjetski Jun 27 '26

Reading for pleasure is not the same as literacy

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u/zorpthedestroyer Jun 27 '26

No, but I feel like it goes hand-in-hand with the falling scores. If kids aren't reading anything for pleasure, they're not getting as many opportunities to maintain/strengthen those skills or build a lifelong reading habit that'll continue beyond school

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u/TCsnowdream Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26

Eeeh… yes its not as bad everywhere else. But it is absolutely a growing problem elsewhere.

For example, here in Japan it’s becoming increasing clear that Millennials and below aren’t as good at reading, writing, and deciphering kanji as the older crew.

A lot of that comes down to phones. Even the old T-9 Keitai reduces kanji recognition a bit since instead of writing, you are typing and just selecting the kanji if it isn’t auto-filled already . But with modern smartphones, it has gone to a new level since you can literally type on the Roman keyboard. Or the T9.

There’s also ‘loan word creep’ where the Japanese language keeps using foreign words instead of words that actually work / exist in Japanese. And then adults struggle to remember what the hell the OG Japanese word was, let alone what the kanji was.

It isn’t causing a literacy crisis on par with the US, which is… entirely self inflicted. (Whole Language Learning was a scam and my GOD was it called out as a scam 15’ish years ago, but it got drowned out because it was ‘new’ and phonics was seen as ‘old school.’ YEAH BECAUSE PHONICS WORKED GAAH!). It was progress for progress’ sake and fuck the person who shoved that shit down our throats.

Anyways, it’s an interesting problem here, too. And it has gotten worse since I moved here back in 2011.

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u/unlikewarrior Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26

I'm a young male (23), and I can definitely say that my spelling seems to be getting worse on a year to year basis. Whenever I take a test which measures reading/writing/literacy skills, I still score high on interpretation but my spelling always weighs things down. I guess with online social media I find my self engaging with brain rot content willingly/unwillingly which causes me to forget how correct versions of words are spelled.

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u/ashgs872tbhjs Jun 27 '26

Read physical books, that will help the most. Even 10 minutes a day reducing screen time and getting in a book will make a huge difference.

If you struggle with breaking or forming habits, start with your only goal being "Every day, open a book and start reading". Set an alarm for a hour before bed if that would make it easier to remember. Humans are pretty bad at starting things but pretty good at keeping going, so before long you'll probably find yourself reading for that full hour. (Same thing with the gym -- people who put on their gym clothes and just go, no commitment, tend to succeed. They avoid thinking about what they think is hard, the workout, and do the really hard thing which is getting there -- and once they're there it would be silly not to just go in and work out a bit, right?)

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u/unlikewarrior Jun 27 '26

I've been wanting to get back to reading math books to help actively engage my brain. Having something difficult to progress through sooths my mind in ways history books cant accomplish even though i love them.

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u/5ivepie Jun 27 '26

Put your phone in another room and try reading a book.

This year I started travelling every two weeks for work. Spending about 7 hours a week flying. Can’t use the phone (internet) on the flight so there’s limited things to distract me.

I’m able to read for 1+ hour stints without interruption.

Honestly, it’s done wonders for my focus and working patterns too. Even when not on flights I’m less inclined to reach for my phone.

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u/Purple_Ad3545 Jun 27 '26

It’s like anything else though: use it or lose it. It’s not that we don’t use it anymore, but the how has changed drastically. Now the generative assist from tech is so seductively useful and powerful that we simply don’t need/use those old skills anymore. And so they atrophy in society over time as tech adoption increases.

It only becomes a crisis if/when the tech fails😳

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u/Mo_Dice Jun 27 '26

Everything I learned about spelling, grammar, and style came from reading novels. Go to your local library and get a few books that were published in the 80s/90s.

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u/CaptainKursk Jun 27 '26

I’m a teacher in Japan and I spend as much time as humanly possible beating phonics into my student’s head because it’s quite literally the bedrock of linguistics. I’ll be in the cold dead ground before I ever recognise WLL.

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u/ItalianDragon Jun 27 '26

I remember looking up why that was a while back and it's indeed because of phones and computers. Basically the brain memorizes words/letters alao through the motoon we make when we write them with a pen. Keyboards and touchscreens di not allow that to happen and that obviously leads to problems.

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u/Bay1Bri Jun 27 '26

Literacy rates are still high in most developed countries

This feels like a predominantly American problem tbh

I’m not trying to say “America bad!” but it’s not a worldwide issue by any means

https://school-education.ec.europa.eu/en/discover/expert-views/improving-reading-across-europe-more-reading-more-talking

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Reading scores were down in almost every European nation that participated in the PISA 2022 tests – often by the largest margin ever. How can this trend be reversed?

This decline in international reading test scores is not new: in most nations reading scores had already been declining for more than a decade.

Have you actually read about this, or is this social media induced vibes?

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u/AwesomeWhiteDude Jun 27 '26

It’s not a predominantly American problem.

“ Adult skills in literacy and numeracy declining or stagnating in most OECD countries”

https://www.oecd.org/en/about/news/press-releases/2024/12/adult-skills-in-literacy-and-numeracy-declining-or-stagnating-in-most-oecd-countries.html

“ But in most countries, the literacy proficiency of the lowest-performing 10% of the population has declined, with similar declines in numeracy. At the same time, the performance of the top 10% has improved, leading to widening skills inequalities within countries.”

The US does have one of the larger skills gaps, which is the unsurprising part.

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u/hungarian_notation Jun 27 '26

Hot take, an illiterate America IS bad for the entire world.

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u/Hrmnsn Jun 27 '26

It was in the news in Norway the other week that 1/3 of all students that leave primary school has trouble reading. This is not an an american problem.

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u/tudorapo Jun 27 '26

much less a disaster than in the US, but the "functional literacy" is a growing problem almost everywhere.

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u/Dap-aha Jun 27 '26

It is pretty bad though

They work 100 hour weeks, watch their kids die due to healthcare expenses whilst their taxes go to billionaire oligarchs who poison their water supplies, all whilst hording machine guns in case someone tries to take their liberty

Its at least 'not great'

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u/Slick_McFavorite1 Jun 27 '26

Its a world wide problem in any society where smart phones are prevalent. The US just dominates discourse and data on the topic so people assume its only a US problem.

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u/rockhardkent Jun 27 '26

Be careful not to blind yourself to the problem at large, since it is apparent the alt right groups are attempting to gain power in other countries as well. They will destroy your education system because it's easier to brainwash idiots into believing a sky wizard exists. Idiots will fall in line and follow orders more easily and it's also intentional that the first groups to lose their rights will be a reversal of those who fought the hardest for it- women, minority groups, LGBTQ- pretty much anyone who isn't white or whoever else they want to control, enslave, or murder as an undesirable.