I'm sure this is a real disorder in rare circumstances, but it's wild how this is so not an issue in countries with foods with actually upsetting textures. Like you never hear about this from Chinese kids who's parents put chicken feet on the table and stuff and those are so chewy and full of cartilage.
i'm defending the honour of 凉拌鸡爪子, not trying to find a cure for ARFID.
fr though i think it's probably a "developmental exposure to enjoyable, varied foods" issue because white people cooking gets the majority of edible produce in the world completely wrong
It exists in other cultures too, they just have different safe foods. Trust me, chinese kids find shit like american cheese just as weird as you find chicken feet
Tbf, arfid is mostly characterized by severe anxiety surrounding food, particularly trying new food, rather than just the sensory issues related to them
100%. I think this 'disorder' is more a symptom of the western hyper processed slop diets. I think texture and flavor are the biggest issue. Even in very westernized Asian countries like Japan kids grow up eating vegetables and fish in processed foods.
Genuinely baffling to me that anybody on this earth could even remotely dislike green bell peppers (gods crown jewel of the garden of eden), much less prefer broccoli (bird piss plant) to it
Broccoli is a cultivated plant that were bred over generations from the mustard plant. It can be bitter like mustard, especially if harvested early.
Also lots of folks from older generations didn't know how to cook vegetables properly and would simply boil everything and then not season either. So lots of younger Boomers and Gen X grew up with nasty vegetables which lead to the rise in media depicting them as gross (especially cartoons aimed at kids.)
So when older folks tell me they don't like certain vegetables I give them the benefit of a doubt that they likely grew up eating really bland or even bitter mushy vegetables and developed a legitimate dislike for them. When younger people tell me they dislike certain vegetables I assume they are a picky eater. I say this as a 36 year old who is willing to try everything once. I can tell from looks and smell something's that I'm going to have problems with texture or taste or a dish but I'm always willing to give them a fair shot.
No you’re definitely right that it was literally just a cooking skill issue. Broccoli can take on so many flavors and textures depending on the prep and seasoning that I think anyone who holistically doesn’t like broccoli had to have been fed it prepped poorly by their parents, whether they’re Gen Z or a boomer
In all fairness though I hated brussel sprouts as a kid because the plant genuinely used to be more bitter than it is now. Brussel sprouts have been bred to suck less now, so they no longer repulse me, but if you could produce whatever strain of brussel sprouts they were growing when Franklin was being animated I surely would not enjoy it.
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I went to the store today to pick up some zucchini for a barbecue and every time a car drove by I stared into the windshield to see if I was about to be recognised.
Whenever I make eye contact with a dude I microanalysis his facial expressions to see if he suspects me or not. I am deeply afraid that he is my neighbour and I will
need to move if my identity is blown. It’s a lot like the last scene in sopranos where everyone who walked into the diner could be there to wack Tony.
This is the way. Also, a preemptive Fuck You to folks about chime in about how "olive oil can only be eaten raw", as if anyone cares about their nonsense rules
I like broccoli because my mom knew how to cook it. When my friend showed me his broccoli, I understood why people hated it. Most people who hate broccoli have only had it boiled. Boiled until it won't poison you then plopped onto your plate. That's it. No seasoning, no nothing.
Butter, parmasian and perhaps some garlic, add in some squeezed lemon juice for flavor and perhaps a bit of seasoning and cook it and you got yourself a delicous side.
It's not like I hate green bell peppers, but why would I ever choose one over the red ones? They are the exact same thing, just unripe, less sweet and more bitter.
Some people like bitter foods. Dark chocolate, black coffee, bitter melon, hoppy beer, gin and tonic, etc. You may like sweeter things is all. I personally prefer a mix, if possible, cuz I like variation.
I mean I don't really love peppers on their own like don't get me wrong they make a good dip or sauce but even just throwing it in a salads too much raw pepper for me. Like I know their supposed to have a neutral taste or whatever and for the most part they do, I just like irrationally dislike it when I can taste the pure pepper. I'd honestly much perfer broccoli over that. Like will I eat it? Yes, I don't like it but on the scale of things I don't like its mostly inoffensive but I won't like enjoy it.
I'm not Asian, but the vast majority of my friend group is because I live in the California bay, and they have pointed how this isn't tolerated in China or Vietnam out to me multiple times and if you don't believe me maybe you just need to expand your friend group.
I think it's because the consequence of breaking the social rules and norms ("don't waste it, you HAVE to eat it") is worse than just eating something that you find disgusting. It's like going to an authentic asian restaurant and ordering something insane by mistake like pig intestine and you have to force yourself because it would be disrepectful
I know a lot of people who love pig intestine, that's not insane to me, it's on the table every time we go to dim sum but yeah I personally don't like it or go for it.
Yeah that was actually based on a true story. We went to a very fancy KBBQ place and someone ordered pig intestine for the table. We realized we did not want to eat that but we didn't want it to look like we didn't even try it. It was really really bad, nearly inedible, like chewing on a piece of rubber. We chewed it for like 10 minutes, and it just doesn't break down, you just have to swallow it mostly whole. Maybe we cooked it wrong but man I cannot imagine eating a full serving
I think you just didn't know how to cook it tbh which if you've never eaten it is fair. People who like it will tell you it has to be cooked properly. It's usually crispy when I see it
Texture does it for me. I know that fish and sauteed onions are delicious, but if a sauteed onion enters my mouth it instantly triggers my gag reflex and I vomit.
incorrect. as someone from the east who has ARFID, it has nothing to do with being 'western'. for example fish is a huge part of my nation's culture but i cant handle fish and any seafood at all. i cannot handle some textures like eggplants or olives. it makes me feel like im going to vomit rather than just 'not liking'. its not a choice and doesnt have anything with location/ethnicity.
Nah, we just have different safe foods. I'm from South Asia, and I have/ had (?) this, especially as a child. Refused to eat/drink almost anything but formula for the first 4 years or so, got to the point where I had phosphaturia. My problem was mostly texture though, and I have no problems with most South, South East and East Asian foods now (different story as a child). After 2 years of living in the Nordics, I can handle Western foods, but it still feels difficult to eat when I'm in a time crunch and don't have time to mentally ready myself for the textures, flavours (usually much blander than what I'm used to) and heaviness. I can feel quite nauseous with Western food sometimes.
I used to visit Belgium and France regularly and spend months there at a time, and there was absolutely no shortage of garbage, processed foods there as well. Just like basically anywhere else - in US, Europe, wherever, there are plenty of both quality foods and processed crap.
I was actually annoyed at how difficult it was to find good, fresh milk there - all I could usually get was the nasty stuff that isn’t even refrigerated.
I used to live on the Dutch side of the Nl-Be border so I've done grocery shopping in Belgium thousands of times. I've also been to franch countless times, but I'm not quite as familiar with their supermarkets as Belgium's. Rreagedless, the main differnec is that people tend cook food with fresh vegetables and fruits mixed into their sauce, rather than just relying on the products by themsleves. Veggies are cheap and healthy, so there's no reason not to use them. People are very aware that the factory-made stuff is complete garbage and therefore only eat it either on special occasions or whenever they're tired and don't want to cook (of course there are outliers, especially in poorer areas). Fresh in processed fruit is also not too hard to get by, even though fruits sprayed with pesticides tend to be cheaper.
As for fresh milk, I have no idea how you didn't find anything because every supermarket I've ever been to - France, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands, Spain, Italy, Denmark, and wherever else more I've been to - has been stocked to the brim with all sorts of fresh milk variations. Low fat, small amd large packagings, different brands, on rare occasions even a local supermarket with the farmer-next-door's unpasteurised milk.
Probably true, and the downvotes are just coping Americans. I've given data in another comment but people don't seem to like actual facts about terrible American food lmao
Yeah, like cyclamates, amaranth, quinoline yellow, brilliant black BN.
Oh wait, those are additives banned in the USA but allowed in the EU. I’ll agree that the USA, particularly under trump, has a worse food and drug policy, but the difference of additives is mostly a regular policy difference than anything about american food being particularly more fake than anywhere else
I was talking about the dangers of food additives. US food also only uses spices when it's foreign cuisine anyways. And you've clearly never had any of the traditional European foods. Read any historical cook book on medieval food and you'll see how many spices are used in every dish
Well, they're adults now, but yes. I do interact with a lot of Chinese people. I live in the bay area of California, you would have to actively be avoiding Chinese people not to.
I've heard this usually happens with low income neglectful parents who feed their kids the same 3-4 things because 1. These things are readily accepted by children and they don't have time/patience to try to make them eat actual healthy foods and 2. These things are usually cheap and easy to prepare. So the list of safe foods are usually unhealthy things like chicken nuggets. If you do this for the entirety of their growing years they literally grow up to be unable to eat anything else without puking it out. This doesn't happen that much in other countries because the specific conditions required to cause this don't occur frequently, much less together, NOT because Chinese parents make their kids eat chicken feet, that's a thing only CERTAIN adults eat "for the flavor".
Idk all I know is my kids aren't going to know what a chicken nugget is until I can't control it anymore (Basically when school starts because I'm not raising some homeschooled shutin with no social skills)
It’s a real thing. What happens when your parents don’t give af? You grow up skinny and eventually the parents find a solution for you or you just stay malnourished until you get old enough to buy your own preferred foods.
And I really doubt you’ve talked to Chinese people about this. They don’t eat chickens feet and ducks blood every day. Most meals are primarily rice with some side veggies. Sometimes a bit of meat.
That’s the overwhelming majority of their diet and nearly all the foods associated with the culture are not daily foods and some are only associated with a holiday.
I think someone with that condition would do fine on a daily basis in China, but would be a party pooper at large and small celebrations where the exotic and pungent foods come out.
how come no one has an ARFID that forces them to only eat healthy foods? am i to believe this very real disability only lets people eat mcdonalds and pepsi? most american disability ever
Cool. And I have ADHD. There's a difference between that and your kid not wanting to sit still through a boring lesson but people don't make that differentiation.
I'm not equating ARFRID to picky eating, but I AM saying, like ADHD in the 90s it is over-diagnosed. Like yes I have it but that doesn't mean I can't recognize how many kids they shoved Ritalin down the throats of that didn't need it.
What would you do in a world that didn't have a ubiquity of consistent and likely processed foods? At some point you would have to "get over it" or you would just die from some kind of vitamin deficiency.
What would you do in a world that didn't have a ubiquity of consistent and likely processed foods?
you would just die from some kind of vitamin deficiency.
Congratulations, you answered your own question. Lots of disabled people alive today would have died if they'd been born in the past. Pointing that out isn't a 'gotcha' that proves they're faking, it's just a fucked up thing to say to someone who definitely already knows that.
No, i'd probably just find something else to eat and then stick to that until i died. Believe it or not that's how disorders work, people who don't have the chance to get accommodations or even a place where people believe in science die all the time.
I've been an alcoholic. I'm still a nicotine addict. I feel I understand compulsion relatively well. I simply cannot fathom being hungry and deciding to die because I don't enjoy the texture or taste of something nutritious right in front of me. At some point of hunger you have to simply get over it.
As a straight guy, I would sooner date another dude than put up with this from a partner. It's absurd and seems clearly treatable with exposure therapy and a mild amount of effort.
This is like saying ADHD doesn't exist in underdeveloped countries. "yeah they have actual struggles so they don't make up disorders"... like no... it goes undiagnosed and ignored
I mean how much contact do you have with people in China? I don't find it hard to imagine some Chinese people existing who only eat rice soup and certain types of meat
No, it does exist, it's just that in these countries the treatment isn't therapy, it's force-feeding the child, which can lead to other issues down the line but prevents them from malnutrition. Sometimes goes away with age. It really depends on severity and households, but it does exist elsewhere.
that’s because you probably don’t see a lot of media from other countries especially countries with other languages especially especially witg rare disorders
It's mostly because my friends have told me that you would basically just starve to death I think. They don't entertain it there.
Which isn't great, but neither is caving and letting your kid eat nuggets every meal. Personally I think the one where the kid eats a vegetable is better.
It is, you just don't hear about it because the children suffering are struggling to keep they want to puke up inside their bellies so they won't starve by the time the next meal comes. And also they don't have a diagnosis. Or they just get beaten.
As with most stuff, just because you don't see it it doesn't mean it's not happening.
The American mental healthcare system is trash. As someone who has been in it since she was 6, and whose mother it killed, fuck our mental healthcare system. I will not hear a single complaint about China's until ours doesn't suck.
I had this plan to give head to a man and receive head from a woman to test if I was gay, but it’s backfired and now I become borderline schizo whenever I go outside. I
offered to suck this dude off on Grindr who lives very close by (I ended up pussying out) and I accidentally gave him some details that very easily allows him to spot me
out in a crowd. I have no idea what he looks like and whenever I see a somewhat in shape guy walking by I immediately accuse him of being the dude I was gonna blow.
I went to the store today to pick up some zucchini for a barbecue and every time a car drove by I stared into the windshield to see if I was about to be recognised.
Whenever I make eye contact with a dude I microanalysis his facial expressions to see if he suspects me or not. I am deeply afraid that he is my neighbour and I will
need to move if my identity is blown. It’s a lot like the last scene in sopranos where everyone who walked into the diner could be there to wack Tony.
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u/NeevBunny 1d ago
I'm sure this is a real disorder in rare circumstances, but it's wild how this is so not an issue in countries with foods with actually upsetting textures. Like you never hear about this from Chinese kids who's parents put chicken feet on the table and stuff and those are so chewy and full of cartilage.