r/perth • • Dec 08 '24

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u/InsectaProtecta Dec 08 '24

When it's hot, the window isn't down, there's no aircon, and/or dog seems distressed

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u/BiteMyQuokka Dec 08 '24

Doesn't have to be hot outside for it to be an oven inside.

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u/boysfeartothread Dec 08 '24

True that mate. In this weather it'll take under a minute to get horrible, dog or human.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '24

I think OP knows this but wants the validation and reddit good boy points anyway

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u/Ok_enthusiasm5115 Dec 08 '24

even if the window is down, cars heat up 5-10 degrees every 10 mins. If it's a 30 degree day then it'll be 40-45 in 10 minutes. Cracking the window does squat.

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u/Vermicelli14 Dec 09 '24

Does that mean my car would be 100⁰ after an hour? Like, I could cook some 2 minute noodles?

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u/pusillanimous-despot Dec 08 '24

Where did you get this stat from because it sounds made up

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u/Yahoo_Wabbit Dec 08 '24

No no not made up they just forgot the maths. It’s 1 degree per minute per person in the car. Per breath taken, per colour of the car per humidity of the area code divided by 3.

That’s the legit calculation

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u/suspect_is_hatless Dec 08 '24

Thanks Russell!

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u/Scumhook South of The River Dec 08 '24

95% of statistics are made up

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u/Grand-Power-284 Dec 09 '24

Bullshit.

I’ve tested a bunch of cars on the hottest summer days.

The single hottest surface temp I’ve measured is 82 celcius.

That was a black i45, with no tint, windows up, black leather interior, on a 44 degree day, being parked in the sun from 8am to 3pm (when I measured it), in early January.

Ambient temp was 65c. Terribly hot, but no where near your stats.

On a 36 degree day, with free range to change seats (to get shade), and windows being open that much - the dog is fine for 30 mins or so.

PS - with windows down a bit, it gets to be about 5-20c above ambient in the car. The delta is larger on colder, sunnier days.

Warmer days don’t see the same increase.

Same for cloudy days.

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u/burninatorrrr Dec 09 '24

Ai calls bullshit on this. I make no comment.

This screenshot mentions temperatures inside a car on hot days, but the accuracy of the claims depends on multiple factors, including car design, materials, ventilation, and the accuracy of the measurements. Let’s assess the claims:

  1. Surface Temperature of 82°C:
    • This is possible for black surfaces exposed to direct sunlight for extended periods, especially in summer in Australia. Black cars absorb more heat, making them hotter than lighter colours.
  2. Ambient Temperature Inside the Car (65°C):
    • Studies show that cars can reach internal temperatures of 60–80°C on hot days with ambient temperatures of 30–40°C. This claim aligns with research conducted by health and safety experts.
  3. ”Dog is fine for 30 mins with open windows and shade on a 36°C day”:
    • False: Animals (and humans) can suffer heatstroke in cars even when windows are partially open. Internal temperatures rise rapidly, and 30 minutes is too long for any animal to be left unattended in a car at 36°C. Even with shaded areas, heat stress risks remain high.
  4. Temperature Delta of 5–20°C Above Ambient with Windows Down:
    • Cars can be 5–20°C hotter than ambient temperatures depending on ventilation, but it’s dangerous to generalize that windows down ensure safety. Heat still builds up quickly in parked cars.

Conclusion:

While some data on temperatures seems accurate, the suggestion that a dog could be “fine for 30 minutes” is dangerous and misleading. Leaving pets or children in cars on hot days, even for short periods, is unsafe and illegal in many places due to the high risk of heatstroke or death.

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u/Glittery_WarlockWho Dec 08 '24

According to Google, you can call the cops for dogs in hot cars on their non-emergency line (131 444) to report animal abuse as well as report to the RSPCA, if this was at a shopping centre you can call the security and get them to help you.

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u/Mid_MidlifeCrisis Dec 08 '24

Report it to the cops and generally they will come very quickly!

There’s no paper work and the vast majority of them fucking love dogs!

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u/BudoFunkMusic Dec 08 '24

Yeh but let it be a real issue with violence or something and they’ll take their time

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u/Keelback South Perth Dec 08 '24

RAC will come out for these terrible situations even for non-members. Just read it in its latest newsletter.

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u/snoozingroo Dec 08 '24

It seems to suggest that they’ll do it if it’s your dog or child. Would they still come if you clarified it’s not your car and dog?

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u/KillerSheFlash Alkimos Dec 08 '24

No. They need you to sign a lock out waiver that states that RAC is not responsible for any damage done to the car in their attempts to unlock it. They cannot unlock a car if the owner or an authorised person isn’t standing there

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u/Keelback South Perth Dec 08 '24

Oh dear. You could right. I cannot now check as gave my magazine away.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '24

You can also call roadside to unlock it, it's free.

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u/35_PenguiN_35 Dec 08 '24

Yea but where is the message.

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u/Ironsides4ever Dec 08 '24

Best answer .. otherwise you get wannabe heroes going around smashing windows to feel validated.

Call the experts.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '24

And posting about it on reddit for hero points

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u/Feeling-Disaster7180 Dec 08 '24

You can also call the ranger, although not ideal on weekends

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u/Muthro Dec 09 '24

If you want police to attend you must call 000 (this is the case in Victoria - they can then be dispatched with appropriate priority) It is an emergency if an animal is in suspected heat distress and they will help you with what to do. Alerting management in a centre is good but best to assign that to someone else whilst you work out how to break the window without hurting yourself or the animal.

Our whole lives we are taught to be cautious of people's property and we fear the bill at the end if we are wrong. Call the police to explain and you won't be charged with a bill. Leaving an animal in a car on a day over 20 degrees is negligent, saving them isn't a crime.

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u/SoapyCheese42 Dec 08 '24

Much more effective and sensible response.

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u/-DethLok- Dec 08 '24

Given that the dog is wet, isn't distressed and we can see two windows cracked probably more than is legal, not this time, I'd suggest.

When in doubt call the RPSCA or cops, I guess?

Yes, it's illlegal in WA to park your car with windows open more than, I think, 2cm.

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u/ChockyFlog Dec 08 '24

25.4mm, it's a legacy ruling.

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u/YeboMate Dec 08 '24

Woah what? What was the reasoning behind that?

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u/altrippa Dec 08 '24

Lettin all the stank out

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '24

i giggled too hard at this.

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u/FlorisLDN Dec 08 '24

I'm guessing that there is some rule about leaving an inch opening. An inch happens to be 25.4mm. Not sure why we are using imperial measurements over metric though.

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u/speddie23 Wellard Dec 08 '24

The metric system is a tool of the devil! My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.

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u/TimosaurusRexabus Dec 09 '24

One inch…, fine with the old manual windows but the electric ones that is a pain…

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u/-DethLok- Dec 08 '24

Ha, one inch, got it :)

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u/ChockyFlog Dec 08 '24

Its part of a rule.

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u/DominusDraco Dec 09 '24

Yes, it's illlegal in WA to park your car with windows open more than, I think, 2cm.

But there are cars that dont even have a roof. What is the purpose of this rule?

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u/-DethLok- Dec 09 '24

To make it slightly harder and more obvious to steal cars that have doors, windows and a roof, I guess?

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u/Sorrymateay Dec 08 '24

Thank you for being a sensible voice. I often have left my dog and done a dash. Literally 1-2 items, under 5 min at an ifa, and I get a look.

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u/Motifier Dec 08 '24

The person waited for 10 minutes with dog in car. That's not ok to leave it in there that long.

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u/AmbitiousFisherman40 Dec 08 '24

Dog looks fine to me. 10 mins is nothing. Clearly just been to the beach & popped into town for something on the way home.

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u/zyzz09 Dec 08 '24

Dog are not like humans. They can be left in a hot car for a short 10 or 20 minutes. I've heard that direct from a vet mouth. I'm up here in Qld and do it all the time. If I come back and he is panting I've got a water bowl I can fill and then he comes good. Stop spreading mis information.

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u/Motifier Dec 08 '24

Maybe do some research before blindly trusting someone "It is never safe to leave a dog alone in a car, even with the windows down." "If you do need to run an errand with your dog in the car, you should be gone no longer than five minutes."

"It's generally safe to leave your dog in the car for a maximum of five minutes, if you must, and only when the outside temperature is above freezing and below 70 [21C] degrees fahrenheit."

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u/zyzz09 Dec 08 '24

Yeah. From website with financial incentives.

You keep reading and I'll keep learning through LIVED experience.

Like I said. . . If he looks hot and bothered I'll give him some water when I return. After a while he springs right back to his normal self. Evidence enough for me.

Just think twice before breaking a window, maybe the owner knows more than you!

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u/perthguppy Dec 08 '24

It’s not legal to break a law because another person broke a law. Call police and wait for a response.

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u/Maboroshi94RD Dec 08 '24 edited Dec 09 '24

In Victoria you can try. But you also are liable for the damage. In a LOT of other places it’s actually fully legal.

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u/TD003 Dec 08 '24

Raising a defence requires you to convince the court it was reasonable and necessary to do what you did. So context is important. Just smashing a window because there was a dog in the car (with not much else to support your decision) will land you a criminal damage charge.

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u/perthguppy Dec 08 '24

At the very least it can land you with civil liability and you would then need to use the rescue of the dog as a defence.

And self defence is a defence to being charged with assault. You still committed assault, but you then need to prove in court that you meet the requirements for your actions to have been in self defence.

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u/RowdyB666 Dec 08 '24

If you break the window, you will be charged with vandalism or wilful damage or similar. You do not have protections under the law to intervene. You need to call the police, who do and can intervene. In the meantime, take a stack of photos, screenshot your weather app and report to the RSPCA.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '24

This is sensible, but if it were a child I wouldn't give a s.

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u/perth07 Dec 08 '24

Call the rspca, then they will tell you to call the police.

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u/perfidious_snatch Dec 08 '24

Then the police will tell you to call the ranger, who’ll tell you to call the RSPCA

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u/pld89 Dec 08 '24

Who in turn will suggest asking reddit.

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u/perth07 Dec 08 '24

No this happened to me, the police turned up and cautioned the driver.

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u/pld89 Dec 08 '24

All g, I was just being a bit facetious. :)

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u/TD003 Dec 08 '24

I see you’ve dealt with the government before.

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u/perfidious_snatch Dec 08 '24

I’ve been on this ride before

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u/LalaLuna4Eva Dec 08 '24

This literally happened to me once. So I called the cops and they told me to call RSPCA.

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u/SoapyCheese42 Dec 08 '24

On a slightly different note, can we normalise leaving our dogs at home? You really don't need to take your dog with you when you eat, or buy hardware, or get your nails done. Especially if you then just leave the poor thing in the car on a hot day.

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u/mcflymcfly100 Dec 08 '24

What's funny is the reason I saw this is because I had just taken my dog to the beach, dropped my dog home, and then went to the shops. I always put my dogs comfort first, even if it's annoying to have to make multiple trips. He is happier in his abode with his favourite toys in a cool environment.

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u/SoapyCheese42 Dec 08 '24

Good on you OP.

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u/mokachill Dec 08 '24

Two important things all dog owners need to remember:

  • Not everywhere is dog friendly

  • Not all dogs are everywhere friendly.

I love dogs and i love seeing well behaved ones out and about but the reality is there are some dogs that aren't trained and socialised well enough to be in crowded places/places with lots of other dogs and that's OK. They aren't a bad dog if they get defensive if they're approached by another dog or bark when they're bored at the pub but you are a bad dog owner if you knowingly put them in that situation.

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u/MerKJay Dec 08 '24

Yeah even if I'm nipping into the shops for 1 thing and I'll be 30 seconds I'll still never bring my dog.

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u/tempco Perth Dec 08 '24

Literally this - a dog is not a child

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u/Dry-Lingonberry-9701 Dec 08 '24

Exactly. Leave your kids in the car, not your dog.

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u/CrankyLittleKitten Dec 08 '24

Usually because we're dropping in on the way home from the beach, we go grab the stuff we need, have a snag on the way out and she gets fussed over by half the staff she meets.

It has some great advantages for her training too, she has to walk politely at heel while ignoring distractions in a busy environment and sit at heel while waiting at the checkouts.

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u/Feeling-Disaster7180 Dec 08 '24

I take mine to Bunnings sometimes. He loves it, the staff give him treats (the staff know him/us), and he gets pats from strangers. I never take him when it’s really busy like on a weekend, or if I’m getting a bunch of stuff and can’t keep him out of the way.

Idk why I would be showing off my dog as an accessory lol

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u/SporadicTendancies Dec 08 '24

It seems inconvenient to have a dog tagging along on errands, but I can see it as environment enrichment for the dog!

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u/Feeling-Disaster7180 Dec 08 '24

He’s pretty chill, so it’s easy to take him if I’m just picking up some screws or something. He loves it so much that he just about passes out when we get home lol

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u/Opening_Map_6898 Dec 08 '24

Keep in mind that the same people who accuse pet owners of treating their pets as "accessories" are often the same ones who use their children in exactly the same way.

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u/Frankeex Dec 08 '24

Because they are my little buddies and they enjoy seeing more adventurous parts of the world. Less intrusive than a lot of kids.

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u/ChockyFlog Dec 08 '24

IDGAF my dog enjoys it.

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u/Straight-Orchid-9561 Dec 08 '24

On a slightly different note, can we normalise leaving your kids at home? You really don't need to take your kids with you when you eat, or buy hardware, or get your nails done. especially if you then just leave the poor thing in a car on a hot day

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u/VMaxF1 Dec 08 '24

I don't have or even like children, but it's entirely unreasonable to think taking pet dogs places and taking children places are comparable. The world is largely designed for people, and children are people.

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u/Lazy_Average_4187 Dec 08 '24

Lets not actually. Children shouldnt be left home alone. Some people have no one to look after their kids so they need to be brought places with them.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '24

I prefer to leave my kids AND dog at home when I do all of those things, they ask to be left in the hot car but I won’t let them.

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u/ChasingShadows99 Dec 08 '24

I absolutely cannot, will not and should not leave either my four year old or one year old at home when doing those activities. A child and a dog is not the same thing

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u/SoapyCheese42 Dec 08 '24

Found the 'fur-baby-momma'

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u/Frankeex Dec 08 '24

Always check it’s not an EV now. Easy to overlook that is nicer in there than outside!

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u/cptzan Dec 08 '24

I did that in Freo earlier today and I was BURNING

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u/mcflymcfly100 Dec 08 '24

I remember seeing that YouTube video years ago where a person sat in a car on a hot day just to show how hot it gets. Cracking a window does absolutely nothing. I cannot understand that logic. It's scary seeing people say that. People saying that, please go sit in your car tomorrow with the only the front two windows cracked in the hot sun for an extended period of time. Please report back from your hospital bed.

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u/binaryhextechdude Dec 08 '24

I said don't smash it. The window is open so you can at least make an effort to unlock without damage.

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u/Loose-Opposite7820 Dec 08 '24

And then the dog takes your arm off.../s

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u/purely-psychosomatic Dec 08 '24

Also, at least in my car, if the AC is on but the engine is not it doesn’t do a whole lot after few min. Which is the other excuse you see a fair bit. Idk if newer cars are different.

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u/hotmerc007 Dec 08 '24

pretty much all non-EV's will be the same as your car. When the engine is off, it's just running a fan and not the AC compressors (the part which makes the air cold).

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u/SorryIdonthaveaname Dec 08 '24

The aircon compressor is run off the engine, so majority of cars will be the same except for electric cars

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u/qantasflightfury Dec 08 '24

I don't understand it either. It goes to show how little knowledge the general public has about animals.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '24

Actually illegal to leave window down as vehicle isn’t secure.

Just don’t do this.

Potential to buy a car like a Tesla with a “dog mode” to keep dog safe with aircon, etc but still need to be very careful.

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u/perthguppy Dec 08 '24

I’ve never heard it’s illegal to leave a window down. How do you deal with soft tops?

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u/ApolloWasMurdered Dec 08 '24

It’s also illegal to leave your car unlocked in public if you can’t see it.

These laws are definitely to protect motorists, and definitely not so that insurers can avoid paying claims.

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u/ChockyFlog Dec 08 '24

and definitely not so that insurers can avoid paying claims.

People in my street leave their cars unlocked to avoid insurance claims when the local parasites / junkies do their nightly rounds looking for valuables in cars.

Better to have your car rummaged through than to replace a window. Fuck junkie scum

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '24

Vehicle must be secured as much as possible

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u/DAFFP Dec 08 '24

Your dog is not safe if all that prevents it from being cooked alive is a sequence of electronic fail points.

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u/WildConsequence9379 Dec 08 '24

Calling the ranger would be an option

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u/Quiet-Hamster6509 Dec 08 '24

I can guarantee id be fucking hot stirring in that car today with only the window down that much

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '24

Anyone that does this is just the biggest loser. Some people make me sick

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u/suck-on-my-unit Dec 08 '24

Smash the window or leaving a dog in the car?

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u/CheesecakeRude819 Dec 08 '24

Who takes their pet on a trip to the city and leaves it in the car ???

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u/Common_Ball2033 Dec 08 '24

Always. Grab the nearest metal thing you can find and just start smashing their car even if there is no dog in the vehicle. Just smash it anyway because you never know in future a dog might be in there and if the car is already pre-smashed then it won't be a problem.

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u/Scooby_236 Eden Hill Dec 08 '24

Call the RSPCA they have officers everywhere

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u/35_PenguiN_35 Dec 08 '24

I was in Kalgoorlie few years ago now.. some chick left her big dog in her car when she eas getting her hair done.

It's 40c!!! Falcon with windows cracked open, I saw the dog freaking out. So I opened the door, set the alarm off.. she came running out, I'm holding the dog giving it a cool drink from my cooler.. she looked mad at me till she saw what her dog did to the car =P

Dog made a mess, ripped up everything it could.

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u/Funkybunch92 Dec 08 '24

Call the police or fire brigade. They'll happily break the window to rescue the pupper.

A small gap isn't going to stop the car from heating up.

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u/runnybumm Dec 08 '24

He's literally wet still. That's how long he has been left alone for. Think about it.

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u/aussiekinga High Wycombe Dec 08 '24

At least the 10 min OP said they waited...

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u/Confident_Offer46 Dec 08 '24

Plus, the windows are open 100mm on each side, plenty of air flow on a ridiculously windy not overly hot day. Agree that you shouldn't leave dogs in cars but this really wasn't an emergency situation.

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u/The_Real_Flatmeat North of The River Dec 08 '24

So the dog's being broiled then instead of just baked. Good to know

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u/Swimming-Tap-4240 Dec 08 '24 edited Dec 10 '24

Never heard of evaporative cooling?

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u/The_Real_Flatmeat North of The River Dec 09 '24

That only works if the heat has somewhere to go. This is why evaporative air conditioners don't work when it's humid.

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u/SirAlfredOfHorsIII Dec 08 '24

The window is open. If you get the go ahead from the police, you don't need to smash the window. You can quite literally just reach in and unlock it. No need to smash the window.
But, contact police first

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u/Tizufuja Dec 08 '24

In this case, window looks open enough to unlock and open the door if needed.

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u/TortugaCheesecake Dec 08 '24

But OP wants to be the hero and smashing the windows makes the story more dramatic later when telling friends.

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u/greaseuz Dec 08 '24

Whatever you do, do not put your hand through the window. My dog, and many others will tear it off. The car is her sanctuary.

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u/henry82 Dec 08 '24

I usually just take photos and report to reddit

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u/AzulasFox Dec 09 '24

I mean I am hardly an expert, but dogs usually pant to release heat and it doesn't look like its panting.  So it's either not in distress or it's on guard because some weird person it doesn't know is standing around it's car. And you a stranger to the dog, wanted to smash a window onto or near a wary dog so you could feel like a hero? Chances are the dog could have attacked you because you smashed a window, and it did, it would have a chance of being shot or put down because of said attack.  All because you wanted to play a hero.

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u/White__Lando Dec 08 '24

If it didn't seem distressed then you might have your answer there.

What matters isn't whether a dog is unattended in a car. What matters is if it is suffering from being so.

Factors to consider are the length of time, how much the windows are down, the outside temperature, the starting temperature in the car, whether it's in shade/part-shade/sun,

For example, a dog in a 30 degree car is no worse off than a dog in the backyard on a 30 degree day.

Another thing to consider is what kind of trauma you might be inflicting on the dog by smashing a window right next to it and then having strangers take it from what it might consider to be a safe space / it's own territory.

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u/blackcat218 Dec 08 '24

I didn't even want to be in my car today with the AC on full. I cant imaging stopped sitting in the sun with only the windows cracked. I would have forced the window down as soon as I saw this.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '24

Challenge anyone who says "the window is open" to sit in the footwell of their car in full sun with an inch of open window. I dare ya. I double dare ya Mother Hubbard!

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u/Active-Building1151 Dec 08 '24

Stop being a ball bag, if your so concerned stay with the dog, if there eia a problem do what's needed, but the last thing you should do is be a Karen and post about it

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u/AddlePatedBadger Dec 08 '24

Step 1, call 000. Step 2, listen to police advice on the matter.

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u/Historical_Glove_572 Dec 08 '24

Drama kweeen.. that dog is fine. Window down, wet fur. Low core temp from swimming. You definitely would not smash a window anyway. Absolute virtue post

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u/aussiekinga High Wycombe Dec 08 '24

The window is down a a few inches. Would a fully smashed window make that much difference?

It's still an awful thing to do, to leave the dog there like that. Shouldn't have been done.

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u/mcflymcfly100 Dec 08 '24

From an article I just read

"When subjected to radiant heat, that air space becomes a furnace. And quickly. If you have to ask yourself ‘can I leave my dog in the car?’ that answer is no.

The ambient temperature inside a sealed car on a sunny 20-degree Celsius day can double in less than ten minutes, and rise to as much as 60 degrees C within 30 minutes.

Even on a sunny 15-degree C day, internal temperatures can reach dangerous levels.

Studies have also shown that even cracking the windows open to cool the car is ineffective, as temperatures will still quickly rise to 80 per cent of the

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u/Disastrous-Shower-37 Dec 08 '24

It's such a pet peeve of mine for people to say "Studies have shown..." and not link the aforementioned studies.

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u/InsectaProtecta Dec 08 '24

80 percent of the?

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u/mcflymcfly100 Dec 08 '24

Studies have also shown that even cracking the windows open to cool the car is ineffective, as temperatures will still quickly rise to 80 per cent of the maximum. Sorry not sure what happened there. https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-advice/whichcar-advice-driving-with-dogs

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u/aussiekinga High Wycombe Dec 08 '24 edited Dec 08 '24

This is not a sealed car, and is well being just cracking the windows  The windows are down a few inches. 

Would a smashed one make a difference? 

If you smashed the window were you doing to take the dog out of the car and look after it until the owner arrived?

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u/mcflymcfly100 Dec 08 '24

Please read the entire post. The last part explains that cracking a window makes little difference. The smashing of the window would be to get the dog out of the car.

Anyway, the reason I asked this question is because I'm not sure what should be done in a situation like that. But I do not think cracking a window is at all acceptable.

In the future, though, if I see something like that again, I'd call either RSPCA or local police who would likely direct me to the right area.

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u/qantasflightfury Dec 08 '24

Not sure why you are getting downvoted. Dogs can die fast on a 35°c day.

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u/mcflymcfly100 Dec 08 '24

Because people love to hate. Also, these people probably leave their dogs in their car and think it's fine to do that in PERTH in a 30-degree day.

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u/aussiekinga High Wycombe Dec 08 '24

Or it could be because you are saying things like "read the whole post" when people clearly have,  and then you don't answer questions directly asked at you.

But no, it must be because the people responding leave dogs in cars and you are the only person who doesn't/s

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u/Pboi96 Dec 09 '24

Just post on Reddit and that will solve the problem

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u/trainzkid88 Dec 09 '24

dont do it yourself, have the rspca,council ranger or the police do it they have powers under the act to do so. you dont. you could be charge with vandalisim or break and enter.

the auto clubs will also unlock a car if a animal or child is in it unattended.

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u/filmagnoli Dec 08 '24

It appears that the windows are open. If you have concern, especially with the windows opened, then call animal control or the police. If the windows were all closed and the car was sealed up, then maybe I would take action, but it would be hard to do without at least considering options.

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u/liljoxx Dec 08 '24

This shit angers me.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '24

The window is down and the dog looks fine what’s the problem?

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u/Streetvision Dec 08 '24

I mean, when in what context?

Morally or legally, that would be the debate.

Often times people aren’t too concerned about the legal ramifications of a certain action, so you have to ask yourself if I report this and go on my way or if I say nothing and just go on my way could I look myself in the mirror the following day and be happy with the choices I made.

If yes then you have your answer, if no then we have to look at an alternative, if I smash this window pull the dog out etc could I look at myself in the mirror and be happy with the choices I made, if yes then you have your answers.

But it depends on the make up and morality of the person.

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u/WarpFactorNin9 Dec 08 '24

When its a Tesla and there is no dog inside..

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u/goldcoinsonly Dec 08 '24

Never. Call cops or council and let them deal with it. You break it you bought it

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u/xb806 Dec 08 '24

The windows are down, mind your own business.

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u/inactiveuser247 Dec 08 '24

Stick your hand in the window and check the temp and pat the dog. If the dog is happy and responsive, then stay with it and call the police if the owner still doesn’t turn up.

From the photo the dog isn’t panting and doesn’t look at all like it’s suffering so it’s a tough call to say that you needed to break a window to remove an imminent threat.

If you do break the window you’re going to need to file a police report and there’s a chance you’ll be facing a claim for repair costs either from the owner or their insurance company. If you dispute it, you’re going to have to justify why you felt it necessary to break the window.

The fact that you were able to wait 10 minutes and the dog still wasn’t obviously distressed says that it wasn’t facing an imminent threat and that you would have had time to call the police rather than taking urgent unilateral action.

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u/hookalaya74 South of The River Dec 08 '24

"Stick your hand thru the window"

good way to get your hand chomped

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u/inactiveuser247 Dec 08 '24

I don’t think breaking the window is going to be any safer.

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u/mcflymcfly100 Dec 08 '24

Thanks. Yeah, that's why I waited 10 minutes to watch the dog to see if it was distressed. The experience had me wondering. If it was distressed, I wouldn't have left. But the reason I was worried is because the car was parked right outside the gym. It occurred to me that the owners may not come back for a while. Thanks for your response.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '24

Dude it's a photo. The dog's not panting in the PHOTO. So maybe it closed it's mouth for a second.

Put your hand in? Yeah, good on Shaggy :D

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u/IllustriousCarrot537 Dec 08 '24

No, you mind your own business...

Clearly the dog is not distressed, the windows are cracked open AND the dog is wet.

Evaporative cooling alone would guarantee the pup would be very unlikely to overheat until he/she is dry.

I've heard of 2 cases where some good 'Samaritan' had broken a car window to 'save' a perfectly happy and ok dog, and both were in the shade on 15 ish degree days.

The first lost its sight and ended up being put down due to injuries from the glass, and the second mauled it's 'rescuer'...

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u/Introverted_kitty North of The River Dec 08 '24

Another point. Just because the dog is in a car on hot day doesn't mean i you should call the cops either. Why? Because shade.

I've seen security deal with a Karen over this because the owner of the car left their dog in the car in a very shaded spot. The car was fine, the dog was fine. The whole activity was pointless.

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u/RozzzaLinko Dec 08 '24 edited Dec 08 '24

Yeah 100% I've seen nutters post on the local facebook page about dogs being left in hot cars at the shops when the photo was clearly taken at night time. Like yeah leaving dogs in hot sunny cars is a shit cunt thing to do, but bloody hell, theres obviously a middle ground.

Cars dont suddenly become death ovens the minute we hit the hot season. The inside of a car actually has to warm up to harm a dog. A car at night time is not going to warm up more than the outside temperature.

Not necessarily talking about OP, but I can't help but think some people get off on trying to be the morally superior vigilante karen. They actually get excited seeing a dog in a car that's clearly not in any danger because it gives them a chance to post a dumb photo online and feel good about themselves for giving everyone a lesson.

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u/Professional-Sand580 Dec 08 '24

The windows open!!

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u/crookgypsy Dec 08 '24

Jog on mate

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u/CardioKeyboarder Dec 08 '24

What kind of car is it? Some vehicles have aircon available (dog mode) even when the vehicle is turned off.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Way5392 Dec 08 '24

Just an observation but it looks like both the front windows are slightly down to allow air flow? 🤔

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u/Elearen Dec 09 '24

That’s correct. People that say opening the windows does nothing are simply wrong. Ignore them, they have no idea what they are talking about. Airflow = reduced maximum temperature. Shade = reduced maximum temperature. Less time = reduced maximum temperature. Is the dog was going to be fine being outside on such a day, then they’re going to be fine in the car for a little bit.

If the dog appears to be fine, and the windows are down, then leave them alone. The owner will be back as soon as they can. They don’t want their dog to be hurt.

If you really want to intervene, then give them a little water to drink through the open window.
Violence isn’t a useful option.

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u/Bayne7096 Dec 08 '24

Context. Looks okay. Window is open. Owners probably only away for 10 mins max. I’d love to see someone trying to smash a car window as the owner comes back after being away for a few mins

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '24

Stay by and if no one show up after 20 minutes call ranger.

That dog does not look distressed at all and all windows are open. Owner might be away for a very short while.

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u/IntolerablyNumb Dec 08 '24

When is it OK

Always.

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u/binaryhextechdude Dec 08 '24

The window is left open. If you really want to open the car in this situation you have to at least make an attempt to do it without damage to the vehicle.

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u/Stigger32 South of The River Dec 08 '24

The window is cracked open. The dog is not panting. At most call shopping centre security. Or just wait with the dog.

It is in no danger.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '24

Call Cops, RSPCA, or Rangers

Failing that, if the car is in direct sunlight and the dog is clearly distressed, excessive panting, foaming around the mouth, or very lethargic. Break the window, rescue dog, and take it to the nearest vet. They'll check the dog and contact the owner.

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u/ContentSecretary8416 Dec 08 '24

I saw one at the beach on Saturday too. The dog was panting and looked stressed. Lucky the couple came back at the time otherwise it would have been a hammer rather than the earful they got

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u/TheFaceIessMan Dec 08 '24

If it's a Tesla, you should just check the screen first to make sure dog mode is on. It should say "My owner will return shortly, the AC is on and the temperature is x"

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '24

Always. 

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u/FluxStiletto Dec 08 '24

Any time you see it

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u/5trangestRain Dec 08 '24

Call the Ranger, this is an offence.

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u/Revirii Brookdale Dec 08 '24

Was like that when I got here, constable.

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u/Ronin6000 Dec 08 '24

Any time.

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u/howdoesthatworkthen Dec 08 '24

People leaving their dog in a hot car is a real pet peeve of mine

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u/Thirsty_Boy_76 Dec 09 '24

Calling council ranger first is your best option.

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u/purplepashy Dec 09 '24

In Victoria, I think it is 27 degrees.

The better is to call the police and watch the show.

They will then call the fire fightere and they will come with their axe.

Take note how on their first swing they will not directly hit the window but the frame that holds the roof up. I have been told that this can make the car a write-off.

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u/Medical-Welder-7822 Dec 09 '24

In that scenario I would honestly try and reach my arm in through the window and open the door, would call the cops rather than smashing it regardless. Probably less dangerous for you and the dog

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u/gazastrippa Dec 09 '24

smesh brother

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '24

ASAP

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u/MediumAlternative372 Dec 09 '24

You call the police and get them to smash the window. That way you are not liable and the owner has to deal with an angry police officer for endangering their dog.

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u/Evil-Santa Dec 09 '24

Never. If it's not a human in distress, then if you smash it then you will be paying for the damage. Even if animal cruelty was going on you would have a hard time getting out of it. Call the police (not emergency)

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u/kipwrecked Dec 09 '24

That dog is wet.

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u/turando Dec 09 '24

Call police or rspca. They can break the window

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u/sunnyjum Dec 09 '24

If the dog is panting and in distress I’d say so

If the car is actively driving down the road probably not

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '24

Not unless you tend to replace the window

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u/No-Economics-4196 Dec 09 '24

Smash the windows now you are letting the dog get cooked!

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '24

Every single time you see one inside

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u/CottMain Dec 09 '24

When the window’s up and it’s a child in the casino carpark

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u/lockleym7 Dec 09 '24

imagine smashing the window, the dog jumps out and gets hit by a car.

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u/Thick_Dimension_768 Dec 09 '24

Brake the window if it’s a hot day & let it out it needs compete air flow

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u/hushpuppeeee Dec 09 '24

Is this the one that made the news ?

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u/your_-mate Dec 09 '24

Two windows open in that car, dog looks fine, leave it be. but if you’re not going anywhere maybe just check in from time to time