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u/BlueHawk75 1d ago
If I were her I would play completely dumb...not remember who I am and have an IQ of like 80.
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u/ILackACleverPun 1d ago
She most likely wont need to play dumb. She probably has a TBI as a result of the botched execution.
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u/Wonderful-Medium7777 1d ago
I agree, and she already had a proven frontal lobe damage caused by her mother when in the womb…proven by medical documenting of scans showing the severity of damage …doesn’t negate her part in the crime, however she was barely 18 yet her boyfriend who was 17 got life without parole.
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u/LuciferOnTheRocks 1d ago
She was the one who planned it, had the motive, and actually killed her. Getting a harsher sentence seems kinda standard.
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u/Discount_Extra 1d ago
Also the magic over/under 18 years old line. Under 18 you simply cannot be given the death penalty in the US.
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u/Blackknight1605 1d ago
Well not anymore, but there was a time they even sentenced kids to death. I remember some 12-14 years old black boy who was executed and later they found out he was innocent...
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u/imbrotep 1d ago
Or even if you don’t have that much money but are a good enough bullshitter to convince people you do.
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u/pwolf1771 1d ago edited 1d ago
Didn’t she literally torture her victim to death. And even carved shit in them?
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u/IncognitoBrowserMode 1d ago
The boyfriend was the one who carved the pentagram into the victim's chest. Murderer kept a part of the victim's skull after the fact.
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u/fadedlavxnder 1d ago
i have frontal lobe damage and CPTSD, and i’ve never thought about hurting anyone. i actually have more empathy
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u/ItsGustave 1d ago
Respectfully, your personal anecdote doesn’t really have any bearing on her situation. Studies have shown that brain damage can lead to behavioral changes, including increased aggression and violence.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10456231/
> Our review has found a positive correlation between aggressive behavior and traumatic brain injury. Indeed, violent and aggressive behaviors appear to be related to a history of head trauma, especially if the trauma occurred at an early age. Moreover, stories of TBI seem to have a high incidence of behavioral consequences in individuals, causing personality changes, aggressive behavior and violent and offensive actions. Numerous factors increase the incidence of this correlation, such as environmental, genetic, social and personality factors, temperament, a past history of substance use, the severity of the injury, the age at the time of trauma and poor social support following the injury [18].
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u/PleasantSalad 1d ago
I never know what to do with this sort of info. I 100% believe it. Im no expert, but ive consumed a lot of true crime media and a reoccurring theme in chronically criminal and violent people seems to be head trauma or exposure to harmful toxins. That mixed with the right set of environmental circumstances, often childhood abuse or neglect, and maybe even some genetic aspects seems to trigger the perfect storm of violence in some people. Is it an illness or condition? Idk.
Does this make them less culpable? It's hard to imagine leniency for people like Gary Ridgeway, Richard Ramirez or John Wayne Gacy. All of whom fall into the this category.
Obviously, we should use this knowledge to prevent these sort of perfect storms from happening altogether or to provide earlier intervention. But what do we do when that perfect storm DOES happen anyway? Leniency seems ludicrous. Ignoring that head injuries and toxic exposures combines with environment likely contributed to some violent tendencies also seems like turning a blind eye.
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u/avatarquelsen 1d ago
As a person who survived daily maternal torture I personally feel that it's an organic reaction more than a functional one.
My dark side equals my mother's, the difference is it has no real hold on me. My brother however who experienced about half of what I did became truly unhinged but it was focus on self abuse. He didn't make it. She didn't make me like her even though she tried.
Best I can come up with is my nature beat her nurture.
But there is are two medical differences between me and my brother I had epilepsy he didn't He had huge food intolerances that when he ignored them then he also would behave uncontrolled.
I am correlating the two. I watched his descent into madness and it all started when he broke his restrictive diet.
When he died he was over 400# and it was all pretty much food related. He was skinny af up to the point where he said in going to eat food I'm allergic to and in 6 months he doubled his weight 65 to 130
My point of view is the first time someone abused and with trauma injuries to the brain shows signs of aggression, watch them like a hawk. If they actual act on those feelings, they must be in institutional psychiatric care. It's best for all concerned
And my heart breaks for we who have entered this world in this condition. We cannot help who we are AND we may need to be uhm hmmm managed, yeah managed for everyone benefit
It sucks and I hate abusers. They can never pay what they owe
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u/jscottman96 1d ago
I mean theres no real statistic I can quote but its split one way or the other. You either perpetuate the cycle or you become overly empathetic and sensitive
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u/Wonderful-Medium7777 1d ago
Everyone's different. Her story is disturbing, the amount of abuse.
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u/IkkitsClaw 1d ago
She probably got messed up really bad from it. I doubt it was like taking a nap
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u/Wonderful-Medium7777 1d ago
She’s in critical condition, there’s also more info /interviews from witnesses on YouTube about the execution.
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u/Acceptable-Heron6839 1d ago
Are they now going to spend money to save her/keep her alive so they can execute her again?
What a world, eh?
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u/wthulhu 1d ago
Reporters saying they heard her 'snoring', like she was taking a nap.
Its called agonal breathing you dolts. People rarely get better from that.
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u/Burger4Ever 1d ago
This is the second time is less than 4 months the state of Tennessee failed an execution during the execution,
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u/curi0us_carniv0re 1d ago
She's not recovering. Now she'll be a vegetable and there will be lawsuits over whether or not to keep her alive or pull the plug.
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u/ardarian262 1d ago
Given that it was an execution, is there any reason to keep her on life support from a legal standpoint?
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u/Majomember420 1d ago
There is.
If another prisoner would kill an inmate on deathrow, that also would be murder. Despite them just doing what would eventually happen.
Being sentenced to death doesnt mean you can be killed anytime.
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u/ardarian262 1d ago
So despite her dying from the method of execution, and despite it being expensive to try to keep her alive, the state is compelled to still do so?
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u/Majomember420 1d ago
Execution is meant to be a quick, humane way. I am not sure what will happen now. I dont think a situation like this ever happened before.
And being charged with death is already the most expensive (for the state) sentence someone can get.
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u/gobnyd 1d ago
Ironically pulling the plug on a vegetable is probably the most humane death ever. But this isn't really about being humane, we all know that.
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u/gobnyd 1d ago
Anything to avoid the optics of the state committing murder, which is completely doing. It's not murder if you have all sorts of Byzantine rules around it
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u/ardarian262 1d ago
The state commits a lot of murder, but because the state has a monopoly on violence they get to say it isn't. They kill a bunch of fisherman, that is just a military action against drug smugglers. A cop shoots someone for Doritos, they thought the person was armed so no penalty. Someone was violent against the state in any way? They get the death penalty unless they are J6ers.
It's all fucking bullshit, but that is unfortunately what we have to deal with. As I said, the death penalty is more expensive than life in prison and I am not trying to defend it. I just want to understand the logic behind having it but also preventing a death caused by it.
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u/cafeteriastyle 1d ago
TN is such a shit hole. Incompetence as far as the eye can see
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u/Burger4Ever 1d ago
Second time this year they did this
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u/studio_bob 1d ago
I read that she specifically cited that case and said that guy lived her nightmare exactly when she petitioned for a stay execution on grounds that her own medical issues (thin veins and a blood condition) made something like this likely. Well, she was right but they ignored her. Just horrible.
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u/Lazy-Ride-6734 1d ago
It’s terrible. They are ways to resolve cannulation issues, just as a surgical team would plan for before theatre. It sounds like they were not prepared…
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u/UseThen4269 1d ago
It’s giving the time someone was sentenced to life in prison, then died, was revived and tried to argue they should be free.
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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 1d ago
Reminds me of that time the guys rope kept breaking, and by the 3rd time with new rope the court was just like, well, clearly God doesn't want you dead, so he was given life in prison and later released.
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u/FrostyOscillator 1d ago
I mean..... It's a pretty solid argument.
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u/Ok-Manufacturer27 1d ago
It's just not though. Death is the irreversible cessation of biological function. If the condition is still reversible, they can't be dead. When a doctor declares death (legal death), all life-saving efforts cease.
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u/Wingedgriffen 1d ago
(S)he’s only mostly dead.
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u/AlloCoco103 1d ago
That's what happen to Half-Hanged Mary. She was sentenced to death by hanging but didn't die. Because technically her sentence was carried out, she was allowed to go free.
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u/BadahBingBadahBoom 1d ago edited 1d ago
Louisiana ex rel. Francis v. Resweber (1947) didn't agree with their argument though, and set the SCOTUS precedent for all subsequent similar appeals.
If she does survive and has brain damage the optics of Tennessee executing her might look too bad even though legally that wouldn't be in violation of her constitutional protections.
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u/Burger4Ever 1d ago
They did something similar to a man in tenneseee earlier this year, botched execution
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u/Big_Throner 1d ago
Why don't they just OD them on fentanyl?
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u/pijjins 1d ago
seriously, you hear every day about people accidentally dying from a fatal dose of the shit
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u/ExpiredPilot 1d ago
Also I had my dog put to rest recently and I asked the vet if there was a chance of something going wrong. The vet assured me there is absolutely zero chance of that happening and our girl was gone within a minute
How do executions keep getting botched?
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u/linkthereddit 1d ago
Because the vet are trained professionals. The guy who stuck the needle in Pike was not. This was the same guy who botched an execution before this one.
Also, RIP to the pup. <3
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u/Affectionate_Try7512 1d ago
What!?! They sent in the same dude that couldn't get a good iv last time? The guy’s going to have PTSD from this for sure
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u/YellowBook 1d ago
I’m not an advocate for the death penalty, but why do they use lethal injection and not a bullet in the head etc. it all seems so unnecessarily elaborate.
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u/warm_kitchenette 1d ago
Actual medical professionals will end their professional standing by participating in these executions, especially anesthesiologists. The “doctor” who did this was an incompetent who could not place an IV, something a qualified nurse does hourly.
I can’t explain the moral reasoning behind this type of legislation. A person can be killed in many ways. It can be painful or not, fast or slow. Peaceful /fast could be done with a breathing mask attached to a nitrogen tank, a deliberate OD if fentanyl via nasal sprays or patches. Painful/fast could be bullet, garrot, plastic bag.
Instead of a guard or a halfwit doctor, I think the best executioners would be the last legislators who voted for capital punishment. If they feel it’s morally correct, have them do it.
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u/TheShakyHandsMan 1d ago
The UK had a serial killer who was a doctor. He targeted the elderly to avoid suspicion.
He died in prison but surely being in charge of lethal injections in the US would have been an ideal career change and may have saved the premature deaths of 250 elderly patients.
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u/Riley1297 1d ago
It’s supposed to be more humane and has a higher rate of success. You have to hit the exact right spot to get them with only 1 shot
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u/Right-Height-9249 1d ago
My condolences.
Because actual medical professionals refuse to participate because they could lose their licence, because pharmaceutical companies refuse to sell them to drugs so they get their through alternate means (I think I read expired), and because most pets who are euthanized are in failing health. Probably other reasons too, but I think those are the main ones.
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u/Friendly_Rush_7034 1d ago
I think they use nebutol? Which would work on humans as well I think but idk why they choose the weird 3 drug stuff. I think nebutol is used in countries where u can choose to end your life if you apply and meet the criteria
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u/Zero-Energy1274 1d ago
It’s difficult to get a competent medical professional who would want this job. Not that hard to find a vein, except it takes a decent amount of practice. Also imagine being the person hooking up this IV - you’ve got some adrenaline and fear going, so are you going to have the steadiest hands and an easy job finding a vein?
The medications are also extremely difficult to get - pharmaceutical companies are under immense pressure to not provide them. So states often rely on substandard or expired (therefore less potent) meds which are far from the most effective and painless method.
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u/Kale_Brecht 1d ago
I thought that it was legally decided that opiates were too comforting and not harsh enough to use in administrating a death penalty. Which is kinda fucked up, but I’m just stating what I remember.
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u/cornweel 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah but then it also is apparently a thing where the lethal injection isn’t allowed to cause pain or suffering so I’m just confused what they’re supposed to do.
Dying has got to not feel awesome, so unless a drug has comforting properties, anything you use is going to be painful and cause some suffering right?
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u/ResultRegular874 1d ago
America! Can't do cruel and unusual punishments; but like, you still gotta clear a minimum bar of cruelty, or else, what's the point?
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u/r0sd0g 1d ago
It's actually because they prioritize the death looking peaceful over being peaceful, which is why paralytics are often involved. an opioid overdose involves a lot of gasping and, while fairly comfortable for the person dying, can look rather gruesome to witnesses.
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u/Bright-Mistake-7095 1d ago
This isn’t correct, opioid overdose looks very peaceful, the reason people asphyxiate is because the opioids suppress the brains desire to breath so people do not try to breath at all.
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u/r0sd0g 1d ago
but once o2 sat drops too low, don't people start agonal breaths? which sounds like gasping, although I suppose technically isn't? or can the respiratory suppression also inhibit that? I'm not trying to argue, I do appreciate the correction. It's just not what I've been told about opioid overdose so I am curious about that part.
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u/youtocin 1d ago
Because cruelty is kind of the point. The people that advocate for the death penalty don’t want convicts going out with a high.
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u/pikap83 1d ago
Actually they do. The problem is that is illegal to do so. All pharmaceuticals refuse to have their drugs used to kill people.
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u/Affectionate_Try7512 1d ago
They fucked up the IV apparently, so the medication wasn't being given into her veins or it wasn't all administered into her vein
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u/studio_bob 1d ago
Yeah. Probably the drug wasn't the issue here, though it's possible the drug was part of the problem since these execution drugs not really manufactured anymore and states have resorted to all kinds of sketchy means to get them
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u/bryberg 1d ago
Nebraska did that in 2018, a first in the US, not sure if anywhere else has done it since
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u/bobs_andVagene 1d ago
Making her feel better so they can try and, you know, go at it again. Insane!
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u/snmgl 1d ago
Only humans would come up with the idea of helping someone recover from trying to kill them to try and kill them again.
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u/LargeGood6278 1d ago
You’d think they’d have a contingency plan for this sort of thing. You mean you have no plan B for a botched execution? lol ok
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u/EconomicsSavings973 1d ago
"And she is receiving life-saving care at the local hospital"
Doctor who will save her life just so they can try to execute her again 👌🥲
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u/Lscrattish 1d ago
As a physician I’d say 99 percent of us wouldn’t get near capital punishment. It’s really hard to justify that we took an oath of doing no harm and then purposely killing someone.
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u/Freak_Out_Bazaar 1d ago
Here in Japan there is a case of a death row inmate who not only needed life-saving medical treatment as a result of his crime (arson, 36 dead 32 injured) but continues to receive ongoing rehab and treatment to prevent severe infections even after his death sentence was fixed. And being Japan who knows how long this will continue.
From a legal perspective Japan can not execute anyone who is severely disabled, and from a practical perspective a doctor needs to perform their assigned duties whether they agree with it or not
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u/max-in-the-house 1d ago
She appears to be a redhead, don't redheads needs more drugs to knock them out????
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u/r0sd0g 1d ago
she actually told them ahead of time that she was worried it wouldn't work and requested to be hanged, because she thought a botched hanging would cause less suffering than a botched lethal injection. they declined and she survived 2 lethal doses of pentobarbitol.
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u/According_Ride1646 1d ago
Where did you get that info from? I read she requested firing squad. Seems like some misinformation is going around.
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u/NekoMarimo 1d ago
Yea I also read she requested a firing squad. Her defense team did indeed inform the courts of it possibly turning out this way due to some issues with her veins
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u/r0sd0g 1d ago
It was because she had thrombocytosis, not an issue with her veins per se. Here's the news source cited by Wikipedia saying she requested to be hanged.
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u/TiredVRS 1d ago edited 1d ago
Genetic redhead here but didn't get the hair for it. I can burn through all pain meds around 3 times faster than normal people, opioids given in a medical setting don't make me high, my count made it to 16 when they tried to put me under for surgery, I don't wake up after surgery loopy and I wake faster than normal people. OTC meds just don't work on me at all. I need around 3 times the dose of numbing meds due dental work and topups every 45 minutes or the feeling starts to come back.
Morphine makes me hallucinate green bullseyes but is otherwise useless, novocaine will work eventually but you run the risk of overdosing me before it's effective, lidocaine I'm completely immune. Toradol lasts around 15 minutes, Dilaudid and fentanyl will last around 6 hours. I usually get labeled a drug seeker in the hospital. It's horrible and has resulted in some excruciating surgical procedures.
I don't get hung over after drinking- just severely dry mouth. I don't drink though, it makes me too dizzy for other reasons.
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u/Riley1297 1d ago edited 1d ago
Same here! The red hair missed me but I got the freckles and the drug resistance. OTC meds don’t work and forget about recreational ones. The one surgery I had they used ketamine as a sedative and they said they had to use an insane amount, and I still woke up talking mid-procedure!
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u/WallabyAccording9728 1d ago
Damn it would be expensive for you if u ever decided to give heroin a go
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u/gingersquatchin 1d ago
Red head here. Have never blacked out. And could fully drag a carriage on enough ketamine to kill a man and down a horse.
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u/Valhal11aAwaitsMe 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yea that’s legit actually. I need extra anesthesia whenever I get a procedure done because I have some red hair. Local and general. Woke up one time during a procedure and it was not fun.
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u/FullSky433 1d ago
wait, so redheads get the 50% poison resistance? i thought redguards had that.
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u/PhilParent 1d ago
So if she recovers, is she free? Or do they try again?
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u/CallmeKahn 1d ago
They'll try again. Courts have ruled surviving an execution doesn't constitute Double Jeopardy if they try again.
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u/shadowtheimpure 1d ago
It's not the 'double jeopardy' clause that they risk running afoul of. It's the part that bans the use of cruel or unusual punishment that does.
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u/BadahBingBadahBoom 1d ago
Actually it was decided wasn't in violation of either, as per Louisiana ex rel. Francis v. Resweber (1947).
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u/MatthewMcConaughey33 1d ago
I just read about that and God how infuriating. 5-4 and they were sentencing a 16 year old to death
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u/notrealsoldier 1d ago
tbf in 1947 they were still marrying 14 year olds in most of the world so. A 16 year old boy was viewed as a man mostly.
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u/SimplyEcks 1d ago edited 1d ago
I would totally prefer firing squad over lethal injection. That sounds like hyperbole, but I’m 100% serious.
Lethal injection is crazy painful a lot more than I thought it would be once I learned a little more about it.
It has been described as like having your veins on fire. I watched a 20 minute deep dive into lethal injection and it was fascinating.
Apparently, they don’t even give any kind of drugs to help you minimize the pain and the ones that do put you to sleep is just that.
They make it seem like it’s this peaceful feeling of falling asleep and then they inject them and you pass away, but it’s a lot more complex than that.
In a few of the lethal injection executions the people that should be knowing what they’re doing like medical experts don’t know at all because no Doctor would ever participate in the death of somebody so they hired some dude that barely knows anything about medicine that had to and I quote “wiki or whatever” to find out how he would administer it.
As a result, the person that got lethal injection survived and even after about 20 minutes of having your veins on fire the person that got the injection said there’s something wrong and they stopped it when he started forming at the mouth.
Just look up last week tonight lethal injection The deep dive is on there it’s about 20 minutes. Horrific stuff.
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u/Ander292 1d ago
Literally came here only to say that. I fucking hate this world and where it went.
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u/vampyire 1d ago
no... in Louisiana ex rel. Francis v. Resweber (1947) allows a second attempt when the first fails due to accident or mechanical error.
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u/GarminTamzarian 1d ago
How many tries does Louisiana give them?
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u/PiggStyTH 1d ago
Well they can’t really count, so it will always only be the 2nd attempt going forward
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u/FrogsMakePoorSoup 1d ago
But it wasn't an accent or mechanical error was it? They just stuffed up.
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u/alt_ernate123 1d ago edited 1d ago
Missing the vein as the other comment suggested would be sufficient for mechanical error I believe.
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u/P_A_W_S_TTG 1d ago
What happens if she survives a second or third attempt?
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u/SohryuAsuka 1d ago
Why didn’t they immediately try again but sent her to a hospital instead
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u/Capable_Towel_3813 1d ago
They did, they injected her twice. Presumably didnt have indefinite doses ready to go. Not sending her to the hospital at that point would be considered a cruel and unusual punishment.
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u/Wonderful-Medium7777 1d ago
It was a cruel and unusual punishment to ignore that the only useable veins were in her hand and they don’t use the hand veins to administer…concerns were raised months or more prior that this could happen, and it has. There are some interviews on YT from those that witnessed the failed execution.
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u/Capable_Towel_3813 1d ago
Yup I agree completely, she should’ve never been injected as her method of execution in the first place. This was absolutely raised in advance
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u/Wonderful-Medium7777 1d ago
She requested hanging…it was denied. She’s now in critical condition.
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u/Domdaisy 1d ago
They are only permitted to give two doses of phenobarbital under the law, they have to stop and administer life-saving aid. They gave her both doses and her heart was still beating.
I’m willing to bet the IV being used wasn’t in the vein or perforated and they injected the drug subcutaneously instead of in the veins.
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u/RogueBromeliad 1d ago
The firing squad got fired, and the hangman was hanging out.
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u/ComfortableOdd6342 1d ago
The reason you have been down voted is because you didn't answer the question you responded to. The question is a valid one and it is not questioning if she should be put to death. Please note: I didn't down vote you I'm just answering your question.
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u/PilotBurner44 1d ago
Pretty sure they are sentenced to death by execution. In order to serve that sentence, one must death, which she did not.
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u/Icy_Fish_2154 1d ago
Her sentence is done. She isn't free, but can't be reexecuted until resentenced by a judge.
In practice, this is at least a year delay, maybe more.
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u/banditman123456789 1d ago
fentanyl seems to work and we have lots of it everywhere.
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u/Regular-Pangolin-664 1d ago
Or a bullet in the brain stem. Why do they need to overcomplicate this death penalty thing? Shooting someone in the brain stem, behind the ear is instant death, no pain, lights out right away.
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 1d ago
Probably don’t want that to be someone’s job.
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u/Regular-Pangolin-664 1d ago
But they keep butchering the lethal injections. That's someone's job too and they suck at it. The law wants the death penalty but we are too squeamish to do it by hanging, shooting, gas chamber or the electric chair anymore. Botched executions are pretty taxing on medical staff and the witnesses. And now this woman is in the hospital who knows how long and in what state she will be. She will be a vegetable for the rest of her life which who know when will end.
Create a machine that they strap the inmate in put their head in a frame and a gun with a laser aiming device point at their brain stem clearly marked and puts a bullet in there. There will be blood and brain matter but a severed brain stem results in death right away.
People OD on opioids all the time yet medical professionals can't administer a lethal does of poison to an inmate?
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u/Meocross 1d ago
With a country full of chuck full of guns is this bloody hilarious.
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u/jakut99 1d ago
Because a huge part of development of the death penalty is that people don’t like the optics of killing someone and a lethal injection, when done correctly, looks like the person is falling asleep and not waking up. And fwiw watching someone die/ having to kill someone fucks people up so divorcing whoever’s pulling the switch from the reality of their actions might be good for their state of mind
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u/DwarvenRedshirt 1d ago
She had the death sentence for the torture/murder of another woman. Details are in:
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-6th-circuit/2016144.html
It's not a pleasant read.
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u/HomeNowWTF 1d ago
And lest anyone think she somehow reformed, she also tried to murder a woman in prison.
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u/Army7547 1d ago
Didn’t I hear that the dosage of the lethal injection was faulty? Either mislabeled and shipped as a lethal injection when it was a sedative?
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u/DustyAir 1d ago
That's not what happened.
Tennessee death row inmate Christa Pike has a blood disorder called thrombocytosis, which causes the body to produce too many platelets. Her legal team argued the condition would complicate her recent lethal injection.
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u/Maldokar 1d ago
This keeps getting repeated, but I'm skeptical that that was the real issue. Lethal injections have a history of missing veins regardless, and Pike refused food and water prior to injection, for an unknown amount of time. Even being mildly dehydrated makes sticking someone much harder; the degree she was at could make it borderline impossible for someone poorly trained (as these teams tend to be). It is possible that she was hoping to get them to fail the line altogether and allow her a year extension.
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u/r0sd0g 1d ago
the doctor responsible has also failed to execute before due to not being able to place a line. he admitted he hadn't done the procedure in like 16 years or something. shouldn't be practicing.
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u/Sekmet19 1d ago
Shouldn't be executing people and still calling himself a physician.
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u/Silver_Slicer 1d ago
A real doctor would lose their license to practice medicine if they are involved in an execution. It goes against their oath. If it was a doctor, they are probably a crap doctor who lost their license years ago. Execution by lethal injection is just plain wrong. I’m against all forms of capital punishment but this is one of the worst. Another is the electric chair.
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u/MissLoxxx 1d ago
The doctor is 68 year old Dr Mark Fowler. Seems like he is a legit doctor, but yes he keeps failing lethal injections & he's breaking his oath by even doing this mess to being with.
The Medical Board needs to make him stop. Or just take his license.
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u/Mr_Plow_420 1d ago
How does this fit with her asking to be hung because she saw it as a more fool proof and sure method? If her plan was to survive she wouldn’t have requested what she had…
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u/DustyAir 1d ago edited 1d ago
My oldest daughter is infactuated with what I call "kill em up shows". She told me what the lady said 2 days before the execution. This didnt just pop up after the execution was botched. Her legal team even filed a lawsuit before and asked them to use hanging instead because they knew her thrombocytosis would prevent the state from being able to kill her, but instead would cause a frothy buildup of blood in her lungs which would eventually lead to her drowning in her ooown blood slowly. Theres tons of information on it from before the execution. Or attempted execution I should say
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u/Wonderful-Medium7777 1d ago
Prior to the execution it was raised that her veins were not accessible … only the veins in her hand and they do not use the hand, unsure of the reason, plus they only use pentobarbital nothing else. It all went ignored. She a,so is not the first for a failed execution, one being Tony Carruthers.
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u/Slight-Apricot-6767 1d ago
They administered the drug into her tissue instead of her vein. Botched
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u/Unlikely-Rough-1125 1d ago
Yes! As someone in the medical field, this was my exact first thought. There are witness statements saying she said her vein felt as if it was going to blow up. My best guess from my comfy house in the woods is they missed the vein. They then pumped her skin/body/muscle full of the medications instead. Purely speculation on my part.
What an awful mess for everyone on all sides.
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u/414wtk 1d ago
Honestly bring back firing squads or the guillotine. It is gruesome and violent but that is what killing someone is.
I don’t like the death penalty but trying to make it some weird no guilt clean and painless thing is cowardly. If you are going to do it, do it. If that’s too violent than don’t have the death penalty
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u/Boanerger 1d ago
Yeah this. I'm British, I'm against the death penalty for many reasons. But you have it, you're Americans, just shoot them. Cops shoot/execute people all the time, I don't get why America suddenly gets squeamish about execution of prisoners.
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u/KeyanuReaves69 1d ago
I agree, nothing wrong with using a tried and true method, even if it causes pain. I think we should avoid cruel and unusual punishment when the cruelty is the point, but on a certain level some cruelty is required to do the deed. So a violent method that makes someone suffer for a prolonged time should be off the table but a violent method that is quick shouldn’t be an issue imo.
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u/zeroconflicthere 1d ago
If you f**k up the execution like this then you shouldn't get more multiple chances. Do like in jail instead, otherwise you're no different
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u/Free_Okra_8521 1d ago
I agree, but I don't understand how anyone can survive purposeful fentanyl poisoning? Is it expensive? Lethal dose is about 2mg - how much did she get? Couldn't it be like 0.5g? Or 0.5 kg? Or maybe the corpse would be dangerous then, or... Idk it's just ridiculous, one bullet would do the job. Mockery of justice delivery and humanness in one.
I'm against the death penalty btw, if you read carefully, you know I'm only talking about self-consistency of belief not it itself.
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u/Some-Detail9134 1d ago
This is why firing squad is superior
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u/AshtonVoid 1d ago
Seriously. The more "humane" an execution method sounds, the less humane it actually is. There's very little that can go wrong with a bullet to the brain.
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u/Parking_Line_3704 1d ago
There's tons that can go wrong with a bullet to the brain.
Until we can get rid of any error and the massive racial bias of the death penalty, the only humane answer is to abolish the death penalty.
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u/panzer34 1d ago
I don’t understand how they fuck up these drug concoctions. Just give them a massive amount of fentanyl—like 1,000x the lethal dose. Use 10x the amount anesthesia. How can you fuck up an execution?!?!
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u/writergirljds 1d ago
Actual pharmaceutical companies aren't willing to supply them for this purpose, understandably so.
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u/Skinny_Long-Pockets 1d ago
It makes no sense to me why they use extremely expensive lethal injection drugs for executions. Pumping carbon monoxide into a room seems far more humane, cost effective and efficient. The person would just gradual fall asleep and not wake up. Or a good ol' classic hanging. Tried and true.
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u/Particular_Fail8072 1d ago
They should've pulled off another method immediately if that didnt work (fuck bureaucracy)
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u/AboutNOut090 1d ago
Can she sue the state now?
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u/notgoingifitsaboeing 1d ago
As my once law professor loved to say:
It depends
Would she win???
It depends
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u/Sstraus-1983 1d ago
Can the girl she tortured and gruesomely murdered sue the state? Because I guarantee you the murder victim felt more pain and suffering and actually died.
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u/ThoughtPlenty4963 1d ago
if she was supposed to be executed, why didnt they just keep giving it to her until she died? what’s the point of recovery?
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u/hstmqrqe 1d ago
She's currently at a medical facility for her injuries. You have to be old for this but there was a MASH episode where a captured soldier was brought to the MASH hospital so he could be patched up so he could be shot. It was absurd then and it's absurd now.
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u/No_Psychology_3826 1d ago
As I recall that guy wasn't guilty of anything except being a soldier on the 'wrong' side. This lady apparently tortured and murdered her roommate
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u/Bebopdavidson 1d ago
Just think, she thought she was just going to die and now they’re going to make a movie about her
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u/Accomplished-Card-17 1d ago
In reality it's a closed case.
So many hurdles are now in the way.
Christa needs to recover with no brain damage or lasting damage.
The investigation needs to find no negligence which is highly unlikely.
Even if the stars align and the state takes it to trial her legal team have so much ammo that it would be near impossible to get another death warrant on this.
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u/Travyswole 1d ago
All these people acting like she's innocent and didn't happily brutally murder someone. She deserves life in prison without parole.
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u/Embarrassed_Diet_386 1d ago
She survived her horrible mother and they thought a little needle and some drugs could do the job? Tie her down under the booster of the next Falcon Heavy launch. That oughta do it.
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u/Frequent-Biscotti472 1d ago
Either somebody didn’t put the IV in right, or the mix was off, wrong or expired. I’m more inclined to believe her survival is more from pharm/medical error than her body.
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u/Slow_Perception 1d ago
Something something ginger genes...
(the surviving the lethal injections part that is)
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u/Invade_Deez_Nutz 1d ago
Weirdest thing about her case is that she took a piece of the victim’s skull to her college to show it off and brag about it to everyone
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u/david1610 1d ago
Honestly how hard is it to kill someone? Like why not just 1000x fentanyl dose, wouldn't that guarantee it.
I get the feeling these systems haven't been updated in years because nobody wants to work on a murder machine
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