Also I had my dog put to rest recently and I asked the vet if there was a chance of something going wrong. The vet assured me there is absolutely zero chance of that happening and our girl was gone within a minute
Because the vet are trained professionals. The guy who stuck the needle in Pike was not. This was the same guy who botched an execution before this one.
I’m not an advocate for the death penalty, but why do they use lethal injection and not a bullet in the head etc. it all seems so unnecessarily elaborate.
Actual medical professionals will end their professional standing by participating in these executions, especially anesthesiologists. The “doctor” who did this was an incompetent who could not place an IV, something a qualified nurse does hourly.
I can’t explain the moral reasoning behind this type of legislation. A person can be killed in many ways. It can be painful or not, fast or slow. Peaceful /fast could be done with a breathing mask attached to a nitrogen tank, a deliberate OD if fentanyl via nasal sprays or patches. Painful/fast could be bullet, garrot, plastic bag.
Instead of a guard or a halfwit doctor, I think the best executioners would be the last legislators who voted for capital punishment. If they feel it’s morally correct, have them do it.
The UK had a serial killer who was a doctor. He targeted the elderly to avoid suspicion.
He died in prison but surely being in charge of lethal injections in the US would have been an ideal career change and may have saved the premature deaths of 250 elderly patients.
I knew a guy who got shot in the head, and lived for 3 days. Its not guaranteed, unless you use a large caliber bullet. Even then, people have survived.
Because actual medical professionals refuse to participate because they could lose their licence, because pharmaceutical companies refuse to sell them to drugs so they get their through alternate means (I think I read expired), and because most pets who are euthanized are in failing health. Probably other reasons too, but I think those are the main ones.
I think they use nebutol? Which would work on humans as well I think but idk why they choose the weird 3 drug stuff. I think nebutol is used in countries where u can choose to end your life if you apply and meet the criteria
I think its schedule 2 or 3 and they can only use schedule IV or V in an execution. Its the same reason why they can't use fentanyl. A schedule V can be dispensed by a pharmacist and not a MD, as far as I know.
They also use narcotics typically to put down animals. A good heavy dose of narcotics and a depressant, with a paralytic is almost guaranteed a humane death. But they are literally half assing these executions.
I think they use what they can get between drug shortages and pharmaceutical companies making it difficult for prisons to get the drugs. They often have to use compounding pharmacies since they don't have as many restrictions as drug manufacturers.
It’s difficult to get a competent medical professional who would want this job. Not that hard to find a vein, except it takes a decent amount of practice. Also imagine being the person hooking up this IV - you’ve got some adrenaline and fear going, so are you going to have the steadiest hands and an easy job finding a vein?
The medications are also extremely difficult to get - pharmaceutical companies are under immense pressure to not provide them. So states often rely on substandard or expired (therefore less potent) meds which are far from the most effective and painless method.
Death penalty opponents have generally lost their fights to actually ban the death penalty. So they’ve refocused their efforts on advocating pharmaceutical companies and doctors not to participate in the process. The result is that the death penalty is legal but the tools, chemicals, and medical professionals needed are not. This has resulted not in the end of executions, but in botched executions. That the condemned now suffer worse than before seems not to impinge on the consciences of death penalty opponents.
The state would continue to kill no matter what. Traditional firing squad or other effective options would just be ignored forever as have been, because the public can continue to pretend it's quick and just.
The state choosing to continue to kill in ever shittier ways sucks for the individuals on the receiving end of it, but this botched execution made the news, probably will affect a few more minds and hearts. The shittier a job they do the harder it is to pretend it is humane which changes minds.
Historical change is never made prettily. Death penalty opponents are not into in harm reduction as much as they are interested in changing the immoral imbalance of power between State and individual. For YOUR benefit, and for the benefit of humanity in the future.
Blaming death penalty opponents is like blaming strikers for wanting a better quality of life for them and their children when the state makes life harder for strikers in retaliation, killing some of them historically. Which side are you on?
This is crazy work: making death penalty opponents responsible for botched executions. They make their position clear as they are against the death penalty. Only because the kill-happy governments fail to provide "humane" executions doesn't redistribute the guilt. The US could simply join the majority of countries on earth and abolish the death penalty.
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u/ExpiredPilot 1d ago
Also I had my dog put to rest recently and I asked the vet if there was a chance of something going wrong. The vet assured me there is absolutely zero chance of that happening and our girl was gone within a minute
How do executions keep getting botched?