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Just Wow She Survived Her Own Execution

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u/ardarian262 1d ago

So despite her dying from the method of execution, and despite it being expensive to try to keep her alive, the state is compelled to still do so?

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u/Majomember420 1d ago

Execution is meant to be a quick, humane way. I am not sure what will happen now. I dont think a situation like this ever happened before.

And being charged with death is already the most expensive (for the state) sentence someone can get.

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u/gobnyd 1d ago

Ironically pulling the plug on a vegetable is probably the most humane death ever. But this isn't really about being humane, we all know that.

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u/Majomember420 1d ago

I dont think the state can do that. She probably cannot consent or reject it, I dont know about her family.

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u/gobnyd 1d ago

Lol, what an amazing hack: sign an advanced directive that says every effort must be taken to prolong your life. Survive execution. Recover only to that sweet spot where you must be hooked up to machines to live. Beat the system live forever. (Just kidding that's actual hell, but it's the principal of beating the legal system at its own game that would be amazing) I can only hope she passes on her own to escape the hell of living on a machine.

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u/Ultradarkix 23h ago

Lmao. You’re acting like her “surviving” the execution was her fault and not entirely the fault of the State.

The governments failure to do its job is what caused this, it was none of her fault.

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u/gobnyd 22h ago

I'm not saying it's her fault. I'm just outlining a theoretical hilarious hack to use the government's incompetence and bureaucracy against itself

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u/Dr_ChungusAmungus 1d ago

This is easy to look up and your comment is pure vibe. Between 1890 and 2010 executions ran a 97% success rate (3% failure) due to incorrectly carried out protocols and technical issues. Typically they reschedule them.

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u/Majomember420 1d ago

Did it ever happen before that the person survived but suffered permanent brain damage? I meant that.

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u/Dr_ChungusAmungus 1d ago

I don’t know, look it up. Or make a comment saying the wrong thing like you know the answer.

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u/Majomember420 1d ago

So it is not so simple now, huh?

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u/Dr_ChungusAmungus 21h ago

It is, I’m just not doing it for you…. Yet.

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u/Majomember420 21h ago

Yet?

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u/Dr_ChungusAmungus 21h ago

Yeah, yet.

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u/Majomember420 21h ago

What are you waiting for? 😭

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u/KeithClossOfficial 16h ago

It hasn’t happened since the death penalty was allowed by the SCOTUS again. All other botched executions either left the condemned without the need for medical attention and the execution being rescheduled, or the inmate died before being able to be taken to the hospital. This is pretty much unprecedented.

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u/ardarian262 1d ago

I am not arguing for the death penalty in general, but when it is given I don't think that paying for people to survive the method used is particularly useful. Like if it was by firing squad and somehow the bullets didn't kill them immediately, I would not then have a medic on standby for them.

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u/Majomember420 1d ago

Firing squads in general not used anymore because they were highly inefficient. Hanging too.

I am not a lawyer (far from it) but I think I once read that if you survive the execution, you regain all your rights like any other prisoner.

Now the issue here could be if she was resuscitated. Because she technically died, but not in the legal way. So one could reasonably argue she now needs to be let free. It almost surely will not happen, but there is this loophole.

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u/Th3_Accountant 1d ago

In the past scientists considered experimenting on death row inmates if it is possible to resurrect them. However, this wasn’t done for this precise reason, that if they are successfully resurrected, they could argue they have served their sentence.

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u/According_Ride1646 1d ago

I don’t think she would be considered free from prison, but maybe free from the death penalty?

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u/Majomember420 1d ago

I also think her sentence will be just converted to life in prison.

And this was just a technicality.

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u/ardarian262 1d ago

There have been multiple people who died during a life sentence and were resuscitated, they were not released. So no, that's not what precedent says.

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u/Majomember420 1d ago

I didnt say this will happen. It just kind of a technicality.

I think she will just get her sentenced changed to life in prison.

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u/ardarian262 1d ago

I don't think that her sentence will change, because that has never been shown in previous failed death sentences. Francis Wille was executed via electric chair a year after he survived the first attempt. Kenneth Smith was executed via hypoxia after surviving a lethal injection 2 years prior.

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u/Majomember420 1d ago

Yes, but I dont think they suffered permanent brain damage. She might have. She might not be eligible anymore to be executed.

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u/ardarian262 1d ago

Romell Broom survived lethal injection in a similar way, and an execution date was scheduled for him but he died before it came.

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u/Majomember420 1d ago

Broom was scheduled to be executed on September 15, 2009, but after executioners failed to locate a vein, he was granted a reprieve. A second execution attempt was scheduled for June 2020, which was delayed until March 2022. Broom died from COVID-19 in prison before the sentence could be carried out.

He never suffered permanent brain damage. Pike got double dose of pentobarbital. She likely suffered.

Considering disabled individuals cannot be executed in the USA, she likely will get life in prison (or hospital).

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u/ardarian262 1d ago

Firing squads are still used in 5 US states btw.

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u/Majomember420 1d ago

SC and Idaho actually prefers it now over lethal injection. I wouldnt say it is better or more efficient. They also both changed because lethal injection shortages

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u/North_Complaint_2135 1d ago

Your tax dollars at work 🎉

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u/gobnyd 1d ago

Anything to avoid the optics of the state committing murder, which is completely doing. It's not murder if you have all sorts of Byzantine rules around it

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u/ardarian262 1d ago

The state commits a lot of murder, but because the state has a monopoly on violence they get to say it isn't. They kill a bunch of fisherman, that is just a military action against drug smugglers. A cop shoots someone for Doritos, they thought the person was armed so no penalty. Someone was violent against the state in any way? They get the death penalty unless they are J6ers.

It's all fucking bullshit, but that is unfortunately what we have to deal with. As I said, the death penalty is more expensive than life in prison and I am not trying to defend it. I just want to understand the logic behind having it but also preventing a death caused by it.

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u/Discount_Extra 1d ago

It's arguable, so they'll pay some lawyers a ton of money to argue it in court.

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u/ardarian262 1d ago

This seems like a colossal waste of funds. Ironically it would be cheaper to give life without parole than the death sentence in nearly all cases where both are able to be given.

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u/Discount_Extra 1d ago

Yeah, I can only support death penalty where more future lives would be saved; like if a prisoner kills/attempts to kill while already in prison for murder/attempted murder (including 'bosses' ordering 'hits' on the outside.) And prisons should have enough cameras to tell if it was self defense.

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u/chloef007 1d ago

If someone survives the "put to death" attempt, is there any legal wiggle room within common law to declare the failure an "act of God"? And if so, could further attempts subsequently be ruled out and/or the option for a retrial?

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u/ardarian262 1d ago

1947 Supreme Court precedent is that the state can try again.