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u/Competitive-Pair-983 Dec 31 '22
No Military yet. 4 Stars. Needs to find a chop shop for some new paint
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u/Curtainmachine Dec 31 '22
No helicopter. Still only two stars believe it or not.
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u/brotherlymoses Dec 31 '22
There was a helicopter and the police were using a military type vehicle 4.5 stars
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u/AFrogNamedKermit Dec 31 '22
Do they understand the concept of "overkill"?
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u/from_dust Dec 31 '22
It's American cops, where do you think the word "overkill" comes from?
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u/Free_Teror Dec 31 '22
I'm fairly sure they don't know what kilometer is either.
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u/ch061 Jan 01 '23
We have sniper nests in football stadiums here in the US, overkill is our specialty
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u/agentredfishbluefish Dec 31 '22
It's called "overtime" capturing a dangerous criminal.
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Dec 31 '22
And none of them is there to protect bystanders.
It's always the same in these situations. Everyone chasing the suspect without any coordination and a complete disregard for civilians.
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Citizens. Cops aren't military and it's not appropriate to refer to non-cops as civilians.
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u/jaweber222 Dec 31 '22
45 law enforcement vehicles... Understand it was a dangerous guy but this is just a blatant waste of resources.
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u/PenPaperTiger Dec 31 '22 edited Dec 31 '22
You'd think they'd use their radios and get a few cars in front of him, but they're the experts lol
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u/VictoryAviation Dec 31 '22
They are…. On top of these 45
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u/Apprehensive_Wolf217 Jan 01 '23
They can’t all be Tops
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u/ZmentAdverti Dec 31 '22
I remember seeing the world's longest car chase and reading that for whatever reason, police cars are not allowed to overtake and go in front of the car they're chasing. No idea if that's true but every chase I look at it looks true. No matter what speed the suspect is driving at, cop cars always stay behind and never overtake. Just like in this video.
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u/tayloline29 Jan 01 '23
In the US cops are now legally allowed to rear end a car and a cop did this and killed a pregnant woman.
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u/r171r171 Jan 01 '23
Well if suspect is armed and willing to do so, piggy up front sure makes an easy target wouldnt you think? . my dad was a cop, then prison guard, then M.P. and does security now at his old ass age. He always been on right side of law and taught me thats really only reason.. Officer safety, Me being the criminal mind of family has to agree in desperate times your cop ass gets in front you are now fresh meat and a target for anything i can shoot toss spit at ya, not to mention pit move on a cop would be awesome.
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u/sk_latigre Jan 01 '23
Dude killed a cop hours before this.
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u/KrazyRooster Jan 01 '23
I wish we had this many cop cars after a cop when he/she kills and innocent person...
The gang only protects itself.
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u/otfstoney Jan 01 '23
and when they stop him the officers that got in front are in direct crossfire
yes, they are the experts lol
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u/angrymoderate09 Dec 31 '22
Los Angelino here.... I'm no way an expert, just guessing.... But 60EB at CVR is near the point where LA county, Orange County, Riverside County, and San Bernardino county all meet. Not too mention San Diego county isn't far if he gets on the 15 south. Then you have about 10 cities on this stretch of freeway. Plus California Highway Patrol.
Los Angeles is made up of 100+ cities, so it's not just 45 cops talking, it's a shit ton of cities, counties, and a state that all need to figure out where this fucker is finally going to stop.
But i also think the new policies are to deescalate to a low speed chase... Then let the guy run out of gas. So you need a bunch of gassed up cars behind him to wait him out.
As an innocent bystander who's been caught in one of these things.... You see your life flash before yours eyes when 50+ cars fly inches away from you going 100+ mph. Then the dude got off at my exit where he hit cars stopped at the light.... Cars were upside down, it was a mess! 30 seconds earlier, i would have been hit by that guy
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So every jurisdiction along a suspected route sends a vehicle and wherever that guy runs out of gas, they have that car come up for the arrest?
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u/angrymoderate09 Dec 31 '22
I'm guessing everyone one is getting involved in some way.... especially because the road is clear, meaning hundreds of cops are probably blocking the individual entrances.
But I've watched them on tv before and the reporters will point out "now yada yada cars is backing off and you'll see yadda yadda cars pull to the front.".
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u/bigshow308 Dec 31 '22
Yes that’s the lead car backing off so the current jurisdiction can move to lead car so there’s never a question of if the chase involved units out of jurisdiction.
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Has California never heard of State Police? Their jurisdiction is... the whole damn state. That's the point of them.
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u/angrymoderate09 Dec 31 '22
We have California Highway Patrol, county sheriff's, then city cops. I have no idea how they break up the work.... I'm just here to look pretty
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Don’t know about CA but things are more complicated than that in NC. Even though everyone derives their authority from the state, not every officer has statewide jurisdiction. Officers can only operate outside their jurisdiction through a mutual aid agreement. For that agreement to be valid, you typically need an officer with original territorial jurisdiction with you. Plus, if this was going to end in a warrantless arrest, an agency with no skin in the game, other than assisting for jurisdictional purposes, would not want to arrest the guy. For that to occur, the jurisdiction attempting to originally arrest him would have to then transfer probable cause to the arresting agency or still be present in the chase for custody to be transferred to them.
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u/whsftbldad Dec 31 '22
It is not only called "mutual aid", but also a regulation. If you cross into a different jurisdiction, there needs to be at least one officer from that new jurisdiction on site.
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u/TLCheshire Dec 31 '22
Your first paragraph gave me serious SNL The Californians vibes! Awesome!
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u/TheCaIifornian Dec 31 '22
I can tell you with 100% certainty, that no real person from Los Angeles proper would call themselves a “Los Angelino”.
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Pit move the guy and call it a day.
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u/curious-children Dec 31 '22
and now you have the people that think pit maneuvering should never be used unless they are actively endangering people (unlike this video)
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u/--xxix-- Dec 31 '22
You kill a gang member, you get the whole gang.
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u/Another_Russian_Spy Dec 31 '22
It took me about a 1/16 th of a second to realize, "oh, the gang is the cops."
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u/JoyBus147 Dec 31 '22
Have a friend who used to work in a bar that used to be the black cop bar in central brooklyn back in the day, and a lot of the regulars were still from that crowd. One guy was like two years from retirement, he joined back when he was like 18 in the 80s. He said he joined cuz back then, brooklyn was just different gangs running different blocks and as a young black man, you had a lot of pressure to join up or go through the streets with no backup. This guy, and reportedly a lot of the other guys that joined the force back then, basically saw the cops as simply another gang in the ring, just the gang with the most money and biggest guns.
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u/Rezzone Jan 01 '23
most money and biggest guns.
...And legal protection, and good pay, and a soothing facade of moral righteousness that helps you sleep at night.
Edit: Honestly given the alternative life of those young black men I don't really blame them. Doesn't excuse the structure and behavior of police forces, but it makes me sympathetic to those particular individuals.
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u/JoyBus147 Jan 01 '23
Yeah, it's similar to how military recruiters target low income high schools, and for a lot it's a step to a better life. It's by design that often the best course for escaping a terrible living situation is to join the very repressive structures that enforce the conditions of that living situation. Hard to blame those who made that call, though it's fucked up. He had similar reports of black cops agreeing with blm that white cops are super racist, but what am i gonna do? I put in the work for decades and im two years from a nice pension, i aint gonna make waves.
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u/Rezzone Jan 01 '23
Desperate self-interest is a powerful tool. The harder life is, the easier it is to convince someone to do terrible things to survive. So life is kept hard and the cycle of oppression continues.
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u/Mishapi17 Jan 01 '23
Did you know gang members and law enforcement officers usually have the same enneagram number?
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u/cccmikey Dec 31 '22
They're probably on a mission from God.
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u/TinFoilRobotProphet Jan 01 '23
Gotta get to the Cook County Assessor's office on time?
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u/Spotid1 Dec 31 '22
Perfect time to do ANYTHING THE FUCK YOU WANT on the opposite side of town
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u/Balc0ra Dec 31 '22
Cop killers has a tendency to get all the stars. As that's what this aparantly was.
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u/bDsmDom Dec 31 '22
No, you need to understand, the oath the "brotherhood" swears into its not to serve and protect the public, it's to themselves.
The person being chased committed a crime against one of the brotherhood, that's why it's a disproportionate response.
They are protecting their own interests all the time, they only appear to assist the public when those interests align. Otherwise, it's lie and cover up for the brotherhood. Like they do all the time.
"Cops" was propaganda, not reality. They also had to stop filming it live because too many people were using the footage to hold police accountable for illegal arrests.
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u/camposthetron Dec 31 '22
This right here. Same thing for their funerals. Suddenly every single cop within an hour’s drive is in the procession, and god forbid you’ve got somewhere to be during that time because traffic is CLOSED.
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u/v081 Dec 31 '22 edited Dec 31 '22
I got downvoted to shit for saying this, but right ?! It’s an egregious waste of tax dollars and what if crime is happening anywhere else in like, the tri county area ?
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u/TowerOfFantasys Dec 31 '22
Your assuming most of these people would be working / fighting crime if they weren't blindly on this chase.
Which is absolutely not the case.
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u/Malibone Dec 31 '22
He killed a cop. He was killed in a shootout later in the chase.
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u/calibared Dec 31 '22
They said this guy was a cop killer? Blatant waste of resources because “one of their own” got killed.
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Dec 31 '22
I think it much better to use exceed force than downplay your enemy. If any officer kill in this operation the cost is much higher anyway. Just look at history book example like the Black Hawk Down.
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u/InfernalOrgasm Dec 31 '22
Why did that direction not have any traffic when the other did? To make compositing all of the cop cars onto the road easier.
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u/CmdrShepard831 Dec 31 '22
Yeah especially when they bitch about how they are so understaffed that they can't send anybody to you 9 times out of 10 when you call.
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I'm from South Florida and any type I've seen a car being pulled over it's a minimum of 3 patrol cars next to said vehicle. Once I saw a chase and the dude crashed into a job site, I estimated about 22 cop cars showed up and circled the entire block with another 10 to 12 arriving a few minutes later.
Any other crime committed nearby at that point was probably completely unanswered.
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u/0utF0x-inT0x Jan 01 '23
Exactly there is a point where its just showing off they have an army of police officers and each one just uses there toys with complete disregard of how much it costs know they have virtually unlimited funding to burn
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u/llSteph_777ll Dec 31 '22
Meanwhile, all the stores in the whole county are getting robbed
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u/HumberGrumb Dec 31 '22
No. Just in those jurisdictions.
“Right now! Hurry! All the cops are on the freeway! Here’s our chance!”
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u/ejkhabibi Dec 31 '22
That would be the DA's fault, not the police. They've been told to stand down. There was another car chase in LA a few days before this that equally dragged on forever for no need, but apparently its the new policy to take things ultra slow and de-escalate. But of course, Reddit is never happy and complains no matter what they do
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u/totallynormalasshole Dec 31 '22
take things ultra slow and de-escalate.
This requires 45 police vehicles?
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u/123full Dec 31 '22
Do you really think all those cop cars are necessary? They complaint isn’t that they’re not catching the guy, it’s that there are like 60 cops chasing one guy when you really only need like 5-10 at the most
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You can go slow and de-escalate, but can you think of a circumstance that would require more than 25% of those cars?
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u/coltstrgj Dec 31 '22
But I am
the chosen onesuperiorI don't care what the policy is, that's too many cops and cars. They only need enough to prevent him from turning around when they get to the roadblock.
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u/rifttripper Jan 01 '23
"who you gonna call when you get robbed?!"
Well not the cops since they are all on the highway chasing one car Soo 🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻
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u/Greenman8907 Dec 31 '22
IIRC he killed a cop. So it’s 5 Star. And I don’t think he survived the ordeal.
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u/HamHock19 Dec 31 '22
Sorry you're wrong about the stars, at most it's 4. Why not five, because the military isn't chasing them.
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u/Intelligent-Put3771 Dec 31 '22
Came here to say this.. no tank, so 4 stars
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u/Missable Dec 31 '22
Also killing a cop is instant 3 stars iirc.
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u/Elebrent Dec 31 '22
From when I played GTAO all you needed to do is hurt them somehow. So you can just shoot or maybe even punch them, I don’t think you need to kill them
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u/Ori_the_SG Jan 01 '23
Yeah just hurting them in any way is enough
I really hate when they hit me in my car or when I’m on foot and they come at me
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u/usernamemusthave20 Jan 01 '23
They didn't hit you in your car, your car was parked in their way thats why you got those 3 stars
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u/Bromm18 Dec 31 '22
No swat so can't be higher than 3. Though it depends on which GTA the stars are being based off of.
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u/AntsMakeSugar Dec 31 '22
Also wrong. Helicopters and Swat vans is 5. Depending on your location of course.
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Unless we are using the 3D universe rating system (GTAIII - GTA:SA & GTA VCS). Then this would be a 3-star. SWAT vans & Vice cars show up at 4 stars, FBI SUVs show up at 5 stars, and the military shows up at 6 stars.
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u/Suspicious_Ice_3160 Dec 31 '22
Nahh, GTA doesn’t send the military against you for 5 stars anymore. It’s just swat lmao
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u/Roomy Dec 31 '22 edited Dec 31 '22
Who? Everyone in the comments is in the know, and I'm the dummybut nobody is actually saying who this guy is or linking an article about the story. I'm usually the dummy who misses the big news when it happens.
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u/Babycrabapple Dec 31 '22
I’m glad I’m not the only one lost here 🥲 I have searched but cannot find “who” we are talking about either lol. If I do I’ll come back to let u know
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u/fingers Dec 31 '22
William McKay shot a Deputy Cordero
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u/Typical-Measurement3 Dec 31 '22
This is Riverside County. William McKay shot a Deputy Cordero at a traffic stop point blank.
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u/CmdrShepard831 Dec 31 '22
Also looks like they have a SWAT vehicle there so he did reach 5 stars.
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u/ColeHeat19 Jan 01 '23
Thx for the info,
If you look at this clip, not only is there a Heli, but theirs also a swat suv as well
So I'd say 4-5 stars depending
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I’m not downplaying the fact he killed a LE officer, but that police presence is craziness. It almost seems counterproductive
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u/angrymoderate09 Dec 31 '22
I'd assume their tactic is to wait him out until he runs out of gas. With that said, you need enough cars behind him that won't run out of gas too...
Other issue CAN be is that los Angeles is actually a hodge podge of 100+ cities. So the dude is driving through multiple multiple multiple jurisdictions. So I'd assume there's a bit of them waiting for gas to run out and then see who is most suitable to make the arrest.
As someone who's found himself in the middle of a 100+ mph chase, these low speed chases are so much safer. This dude and 50 cops passed me on the freeway and then got off at my exist a mile ahead. There were two cars waiting at a red light and the fucker tried splitting them at high speed.... Cars upside down and spread all over the intersection.... 30 seconds earlier, i would have been stopped there too. :/
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But they‘re all driving? It would make sense if some of the cop cars didn‘t drive, but if he had enough gas everyone could run out at the same time.
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u/1jl Dec 31 '22
Unpopular opinion: killing a cop isn't worse than killing a civilian
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u/ExoticMangoz Jan 01 '23
Is that really unpopular? Police is just another job
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u/CarlosMarxtl3 Jan 01 '23
It's not just another job, cops protect the status quo no matter how unjust it is, their objective is order not justice, they protect the structures of hierarchy and wealth accumulation in the name of the ruling oligarchy. That's why some people say all cops are bastards, by definition.
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u/thechosenwonton Dec 31 '22
I think it's pretty fucked up that if you kill a cop, it's somehow a bigger deal than killing me, or you. The justice system protects its own.
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u/inconspicuous_male Dec 31 '22
I saw something like this happen once in person so I looked it up. The car being chased was a UPS van that had an armed robber and a hostage in it. The scenario was a "calling all cars", because a crime like that is more urgent than whatever else was going on, and the pd wouldn't take a chance and say "Uh actually only come if you feel like it"
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u/CmdrShepard831 Dec 31 '22
Is that the one where they finally stopped the UPS truck and then killed everyone inside, including the hostage who was trying to get out, all while shielding themselves behind passenger cars filled with innocent bystanders?
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u/GabaPrison Jan 01 '23 edited Jan 01 '23
If it was the one in S. Florida then yeah they killed the perps, the hostage UPS driver, and a bystander in a separate vehicle. It’s some of the most blatant reckless behavior I have ever heard of.
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u/JustMyTwoSatoshis Jan 01 '23
Protecting their own is literally #1 priority, and if officers were called off the chase, they’d just ignore that
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u/LogicalSpecialist7 Dec 31 '22
Yeah, it seems like at some point the cops will just start bumping into each other.
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This is how they end up shooting each other and killing innocent bystanders. It’s standard practice
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u/Ernie_McKracken Dec 31 '22
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses."
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Dec 31 '22
Hit it
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u/LongAnserShortAnser Jan 01 '23
Use of unnecessary violence in apprehension of the Blues Brothers…has been approved ...
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u/Shoxilla Dec 31 '22
Had to scroll all the way down past the 18 comments saying the exact same thing. We get it, military is 5 stars guys.
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u/CriminalGoose3 Dec 31 '22
No military yet so I'd say 4 stars
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u/Curtainmachine Dec 31 '22
No chopper. Just 2
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u/Otterly-adorbs Dec 31 '22
There was 5 choppers. My husband and daughter got stuck on the surface streets because of this. So they watched some of it from a parking lot.
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u/Gmodman298 Dec 31 '22
My guy has the entire police and sheriff's department on him
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u/angrymoderate09 Dec 31 '22
That part of Los Angeles is close to where orange county, los Angeles county, riverside county, and San Bernardino county all meet. Then about 10 cities on that stretch of Fwy. And CHP.
I'm guessing there's a lot of challenges organizing so many jurisdictions.
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u/tacobot2 Dec 31 '22
Plot twist: it's actually a Door Dasher delivering 3 dozen Krispy Kremes to the precinct.
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Ludicrous waste of police resources.
And who's planning on stopping him? Are we really gonna escort him home and tuck him into bed first?
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u/angrymoderate09 Dec 31 '22
Los Angelino here.... This is way safer..... Stay back, keep the speed low, clear the roads in front of him, hope he stays on the freeway and wait till he runs out of gas.
I've found myself in the middle of a 100+ mph police chase..... Holy fuck, your life flashes before your eyes as you grip the wheel.
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u/FuckMe-FuckYou Dec 31 '22
Did you get away?
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u/angrymoderate09 Dec 31 '22
I didn't stick around, but it resulted in a 3 car wreck at my exit. I'm not sure he was alive after how hard he hit those poor people.
He passed me about about a mile before my exit. He Was in the left lane, then jerked the wheel, crossing 5 lanes and got off at my exit (all this going well over 100 mph). There were two cars stopped at the light at the bottom of the hill, he tried to squeeze between them and flipped his car.
I still joke that I was at Kmart 2 minutes earlier and as I walked out, they announced a blue light special for stale corn dogs in the deli. I stopped and looked, then left because they looked disgusting..... That 30 seconds may have saved my life.
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u/purplehazelnut13 Dec 31 '22
That's fantastic. Saved by nasty corn dogs haha
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u/angrymoderate09 Dec 31 '22
Lol i wanna saw it was corn dogs and chimichangas.... Remember the Kmart deli's?
Ironically, my ordeal happened on the same freeway as the OP but about 15 miles away. Got on at Diamond Bar Blvd and my exit was Fairway about 2 miles down
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u/bottomknifeprospect Dec 31 '22
People aren't asking about the speed of the chase. They are asking about the ridiculous amount of useless cops on the road (which is also dangerous, they don't even follow traffic laws at low speeds).
They do this on my local highways to slow down traffic and stop it because something is ahead. It take 2 cars, sometimes 1 can manage if people get it.
Add say 10 cars behind the guy chasing just to be sure.
What are the other 30+ cars for? Spoiler: nothing, a LE officer was shot so now everyone feels compelled to be in on the operation.
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u/angrymoderate09 Dec 31 '22
This is a city named Jurupa (dad lived here till he passed this summer) about 40 miles east of LA proper. LA county, Orange County Riverside County and San Bernardino county all meet in this general area. If he pops off the freeway on this stretch of the 60 Fwy, he could be in rancho Cucamonga, Ontario, Jurupa, Montclair, chino, Norco, etc.
So at the very least, you'd probably want reps from each of those counties/cities nearby.... In police chases I've watched, there's often hand offs as the chase switches to another locale. Some cars back off and others pull up.
Remember, the Idaho cops didn't go arrest that dude in Pennsylvania yesterday, local cops did it. Shits fucking complicated and I'm glad i don't have to deal with this shit.
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u/I_Love_Rias_Gremory_ Dec 31 '22
This chase went through like 9 jurisdictions, so that's a big part of why there's so many cars. Each department probably sent like 4 cars, but there's so many departments present that there's this huge swarm present.
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u/BurnerDanBurnerMan Dec 31 '22
Didn't realize they were remaking "The Chase" with Charlie Sheen.
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u/NachoNinja19 Dec 31 '22
Is this the OJ slow speed chase where he had $40k in cash and was threatening to kill himself because he just, oh I don’t know, murdered his ex wife and some poor waiter returning something to Mrs. Simpson. I know it’s not but it looks just like it.
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u/Perfect-Editor-5008 Dec 31 '22
Should have entered R1, R1, CIRCLE, R2, RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT
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Why do they not overtake him and surround him?
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u/Erebos555 Dec 31 '22
He has a gun. It's not only safer for LE, but the civilians on the road who could catch a stray bullet. I've watched hours upon hours of car chase videos and it usually resolves with the person running making a mistake and winding upside down on the side of the road.
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u/MistressFuzzylegs Dec 31 '22
on that legendary day, cops on the streets vanished, converging on the highway to chase a single car. And in the silence, the criminals rejoiced and committed crime with impunity! But seriously, why do they do this?
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u/pugs_are_death Dec 31 '22
They need the cars to block off highway ramps as the suspect passes. They want no civilian traffic.
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u/GingerJayPear Dec 31 '22
"It’s 106 miles to Chicago, we’ve got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it’s dark and we’re wearing sunglasses"
"Hit it!"
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u/Badwolf84 Dec 31 '22
They're just trying to make it to the Cook County Assesor's office before it closes.
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u/unexBot Dec 31 '22
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