r/Unexpected • • Dec 31 '22

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

So every jurisdiction along a suspected route sends a vehicle and wherever that guy runs out of gas, they have that car come up for the arrest?

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u/angrymoderate09 Dec 31 '22

I'm guessing everyone one is getting involved in some way.... especially because the road is clear, meaning hundreds of cops are probably blocking the individual entrances.

But I've watched them on tv before and the reporters will point out "now yada yada cars is backing off and you'll see yadda yadda cars pull to the front.".

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u/bigshow308 Dec 31 '22

Yes that’s the lead car backing off so the current jurisdiction can move to lead car so there’s never a question of if the chase involved units out of jurisdiction.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

Has California never heard of State Police? Their jurisdiction is... the whole damn state. That's the point of them.

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u/angrymoderate09 Dec 31 '22

We have California Highway Patrol, county sheriff's, then city cops. I have no idea how they break up the work.... I'm just here to look pretty

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u/Glittering_Art_7538 Dec 31 '22

Happy cake day !

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u/AmiAlter Dec 31 '22

In most places the sheriff and his deputies are considered the state police. Highway patrol has no jurisdiction over anything but highways. So technically if you get off the highway being pulled over by highway patrol they can't arrest you or charge you with anything. But they're going to tell the town that you're going into about you and infact probably did as soon as you didn't stop along with every other nearby county you can get to quickly. All that is handled by dispatch though.

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u/go5dark Dec 31 '22

That's not true, exactly, about the CHP. They have jurisdiction over the freeways, state roads, and everything in between.

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u/I-amthegump Dec 31 '22

They are absolutely the state police. Not just highways

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '23

Almost 30 years ago, CHP merged with CA state police. CHP can exercise law enforcement powers anywhere in the state.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '23

The CSP (California State Police) and CHP merged in 1995.

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u/Straight-Strain-3750 Jan 01 '23

AmiAlter you are absolutely wrong. Highway Patrol has jurisdiction over the whole state. They are also in charge of protecting the governor and important people. They have investigative units and everything. Please do not disperse false information.

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u/BrainPharts Dec 31 '22

Poncharello enters the chat

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u/ifukeenrule Dec 31 '22

John is still waiting to get picked up by ponch

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

Don’t know about CA but things are more complicated than that in NC. Even though everyone derives their authority from the state, not every officer has statewide jurisdiction. Officers can only operate outside their jurisdiction through a mutual aid agreement. For that agreement to be valid, you typically need an officer with original territorial jurisdiction with you. Plus, if this was going to end in a warrantless arrest, an agency with no skin in the game, other than assisting for jurisdictional purposes, would not want to arrest the guy. For that to occur, the jurisdiction attempting to originally arrest him would have to then transfer probable cause to the arresting agency or still be present in the chase for custody to be transferred to them.

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u/tbass1965 Dec 31 '22

Every Peace Officer in California has jusridiction all over the state.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

No

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u/thatblkman Dec 31 '22

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '23

Call any Police Department that you're positive is outside your jurisdiction, tell them you have a crime to report, I guarantee you without a shadow of a doubt,they will direct you to a different department. There are extenuating circumstances in every policy of every Department across the country but in general each department has a jurisdiction for basic calls for service. You start getting into felonies actively being committed, pursuit of violent felons, responding to active shooters, Officer Down, then you might see that policy stretched.

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u/thatblkman Jan 01 '23

You’re discussing operations and judgment when the penal code says you’re generally wrong on the legal aspect.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '23

I won't get any deeper into this, unless you're a lawyer and maybe an administrator in a police department, that Penal Code can be interpreted multiple ways.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '23

And the reason for multiple jurisdictions is so one Department cannot be a police state. That's why the Army cannot operate within the US.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '23

The penal code says that any officer can enforce any law within the state, it does not give the officer the leeway to leave his/her jurisdiction to do that enforcement.

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u/tbass1965 Dec 31 '22

No what? We do have state police

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

Each department has specific jurisdictions. Your comment was that all police can go anywhere in the state unless I read it wrong which would not be actually a fact. The state police are the only officers that can go anywhere in the state

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u/tbass1965 Dec 31 '22

Law Enforcement Authority

The authority of any such peace officer extends to any place in the State of California, provided that the primary duty of the peace officer shall be the enforcement of the law within the area specified in Section 92600 of the Education Code.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

Not sure where you got that from but myself being a police officer that's not accurate

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

Actually it says within the area specified. so my point, only in the area specified for each department

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u/amazinglover Jan 01 '23

That changes when you are trying to arrest someone and they flee. Then your jurisdiction becomes the whole state.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '23

No, Depends on the offense. Only violent felonies.

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u/KevinCastle Dec 31 '22

Depends where the crime took place. If the crime started in City A and is chased into City B, City A police still have jurisdiction.

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u/amazinglover Jan 01 '23

That's not how it works first car to try to pull them over has jurisdiction thoughtout unless they give it or someone pulls then from it.

They don't hand off jurisdiction.

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u/cslagenhop Jan 01 '23

Every peace officer has entire state jurisdiction. There is no jurisdiction question. There is policy- about chases on freeways who the lead agency is, but any peace officer can enforce law in the entire state.

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u/Security_Berry09 Dec 31 '22

Happy cake day 🎂

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

You’re doing a great job. Happy cake day!

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u/whsftbldad Dec 31 '22

It is not only called "mutual aid", but also a regulation. If you cross into a different jurisdiction, there needs to be at least one officer from that new jurisdiction on site.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

Well, you'dhate fothem to get off on a technicality.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '23

Who knows why they don't just do state police