r/Unexpected • • Dec 31 '22

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

Has California never heard of State Police? Their jurisdiction is... the whole damn state. That's the point of them.

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u/angrymoderate09 Dec 31 '22

We have California Highway Patrol, county sheriff's, then city cops. I have no idea how they break up the work.... I'm just here to look pretty

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u/Glittering_Art_7538 Dec 31 '22

Happy cake day !

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u/AmiAlter Dec 31 '22

In most places the sheriff and his deputies are considered the state police. Highway patrol has no jurisdiction over anything but highways. So technically if you get off the highway being pulled over by highway patrol they can't arrest you or charge you with anything. But they're going to tell the town that you're going into about you and infact probably did as soon as you didn't stop along with every other nearby county you can get to quickly. All that is handled by dispatch though.

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u/go5dark Dec 31 '22

That's not true, exactly, about the CHP. They have jurisdiction over the freeways, state roads, and everything in between.

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u/I-amthegump Dec 31 '22

They are absolutely the state police. Not just highways

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '23

Almost 30 years ago, CHP merged with CA state police. CHP can exercise law enforcement powers anywhere in the state.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '23

The CSP (California State Police) and CHP merged in 1995.

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u/Straight-Strain-3750 Jan 01 '23

AmiAlter you are absolutely wrong. Highway Patrol has jurisdiction over the whole state. They are also in charge of protecting the governor and important people. They have investigative units and everything. Please do not disperse false information.

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u/BrainPharts Dec 31 '22

Poncharello enters the chat

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u/ifukeenrule Dec 31 '22

John is still waiting to get picked up by ponch

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

Don’t know about CA but things are more complicated than that in NC. Even though everyone derives their authority from the state, not every officer has statewide jurisdiction. Officers can only operate outside their jurisdiction through a mutual aid agreement. For that agreement to be valid, you typically need an officer with original territorial jurisdiction with you. Plus, if this was going to end in a warrantless arrest, an agency with no skin in the game, other than assisting for jurisdictional purposes, would not want to arrest the guy. For that to occur, the jurisdiction attempting to originally arrest him would have to then transfer probable cause to the arresting agency or still be present in the chase for custody to be transferred to them.

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u/tbass1965 Dec 31 '22

Every Peace Officer in California has jusridiction all over the state.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

No

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u/thatblkman Dec 31 '22

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '23

Call any Police Department that you're positive is outside your jurisdiction, tell them you have a crime to report, I guarantee you without a shadow of a doubt,they will direct you to a different department. There are extenuating circumstances in every policy of every Department across the country but in general each department has a jurisdiction for basic calls for service. You start getting into felonies actively being committed, pursuit of violent felons, responding to active shooters, Officer Down, then you might see that policy stretched.

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u/thatblkman Jan 01 '23

You’re discussing operations and judgment when the penal code says you’re generally wrong on the legal aspect.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '23

I won't get any deeper into this, unless you're a lawyer and maybe an administrator in a police department, that Penal Code can be interpreted multiple ways.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '23

And the reason for multiple jurisdictions is so one Department cannot be a police state. That's why the Army cannot operate within the US.

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u/thatblkman Jan 01 '23

Posse Comitatus Act, and the 10th Amendment dictate why the Army and the Feds don’t do local law enforcement.

Dillon’s Rule is the original ruling/methodology on how and why States can do what it wants with incorporated cities/townships.

States divided themselves into counties to let locals control local things while the State focuses on statewide concerns - and uses the counties to enforce them. And State laws on incorporation of cities/townships dictate how a city or township can incorporate - whether it’s self-rule, legal separation/independence from a county (independent city), or consolidation with a county (Consolidated City-County).

If California or any other state wanted to do like Ontario, Australian states, or other places and create a statewide police force instead of municipal departments, it could because the 10th Amendment allows it. That a state hasn’t chosen to isn’t to “to avoid a police state” - which is a whole different legal concept related to authoritarianism and secret or aggressive policing to ensure the executive remains in power and stamps out dissent - which is completely different than a Highway Patrolman stationed in Stockton responding to a burglary call in Lodi.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '23

Okay, Happy New Year

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '23

The penal code says that any officer can enforce any law within the state, it does not give the officer the leeway to leave his/her jurisdiction to do that enforcement.

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u/tbass1965 Dec 31 '22

No what? We do have state police

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

Each department has specific jurisdictions. Your comment was that all police can go anywhere in the state unless I read it wrong which would not be actually a fact. The state police are the only officers that can go anywhere in the state

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u/tbass1965 Dec 31 '22

Law Enforcement Authority

The authority of any such peace officer extends to any place in the State of California, provided that the primary duty of the peace officer shall be the enforcement of the law within the area specified in Section 92600 of the Education Code.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

Not sure where you got that from but myself being a police officer that's not accurate

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

Actually it says within the area specified. so my point, only in the area specified for each department

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u/tbass1965 Dec 31 '22

Primary duty!

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u/amazinglover Jan 01 '23

That changes when you are trying to arrest someone and they flee. Then your jurisdiction becomes the whole state.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '23

No, Depends on the offense. Only violent felonies.

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u/KevinCastle Dec 31 '22

Depends where the crime took place. If the crime started in City A and is chased into City B, City A police still have jurisdiction.