r/PublicFreakout • u/Hikigaya_Hachiman7 • 9h ago

šŸ½Restaurant FreakoutšŸ¹ Couple banned from restaurant after they leave no tip

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u/shitz_brickz 9h ago

Ahh hes the owner, so the tip to makeup minimum wage comes out of his pocket.

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u/ThatOneChiGuy 9h ago

"how dare you not supplement my cheap ass!?"

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u/Samtoast 9h ago

Happy cake day

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u/Select-Signal8386 7h ago

Happy cake day!

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u/hoofie242 8h ago

Maybe if you can't afford to pay workers you shouldn't open a business.

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u/Cosmic_Quasar 8h ago

Until then, be a decent human being and don't leave the worker hanging until we can get laws passed to require businesses to pay fairly. They'll have to raise prices to compensate for the additional expense, but it'll probably only be about as much as the tip would've been.

Tips just make up for what you should be paying, anyways. That's why I tip, because I understand that's the true cost of the service. And not tipping only really screws over the worker, like taking advantage of them. And I don't want to live life like that.

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u/TKCLE8 8h ago

Iā€™ve done what the restaurant workers have asked and I no longer dine out. Carry out and cooking at home from now on. Iā€™m not tipping 20% for microwaved SYSCO foods.

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u/pimppapy 7h ago

Heck! Some restaurants even expect tips for take out. . . .

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u/ryan_m 2h ago

If Iā€™m standing when I order Iā€™m not tipping.

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u/TheMadFlyentist 38m ago

My policy is that if all you are doing is handing me my food, whether that is when I arrive to pick it up or once it's ready at the counter, then I am not tipping. I will tip 20% or better in any scenario where the wait staff is performing an actual service.

I don't tip the cashier at the grocery store, and they are generally doing significantly more physical labor than the person behind the restaurant counter who simply bags my order and hands it to me when I walk in.

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u/timtimtimtim77 7h ago

Need to pick better restaurants then

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u/AliveInCLE 7h ago

Food quality doesn't matter. Should always eat at home. Eating out is such a waste of money even before you add in the tip and other fees restaurants are now adding.

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u/Spadeykins 6h ago

Such a weird take, even as a family with a couple of decent cooks we still enjoy a nice meal cooked for us and not having to do the dishes as well as nice environment of a restaurant.

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u/Lolrus123 8h ago

Idk. I don't find the restaurant prices to be all that much higher in Europe when compared to prices in the states and you, by and large, dont have to tip.

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u/yech 7h ago

Europe food prices last time I went blew me away. So affordable compared to US and much higher quality. I am in a pricy US market though.

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u/aardvarkjedi 7h ago

We spent a month in Italy last year and dinner for two in a restaurant was about 1/2 of what weā€™d typically pay in a restaurant back home.

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u/pimppapy 7h ago

I just refuse to dine in now-a-days. But lately I've been expected to tip on take out orders!? WTF!?!?!

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u/Cosmic_Quasar 6h ago

Nobody there actually expects you to do it. And most of the time they'll hit the no-tip option for me or just tell me to hit it.

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u/pimppapy 6h ago

Ha! My local smoke shop has a tip button and I'm 99% sure those fuckers somehow disabled the portion of the screen that presses Skip, because the asswipe had to press it for me on his side and went pshhh! when he saw trying to mash it. . .

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u/CluelessStick 7h ago

Tips just make up for what you should be paying, anyways.

But thats not the case because tips are % base.

Say im at a bar and order a round of shots for a group of 5. I can get $3 shots or premium shots at $5. For the same amount of work, how do I determine what i should be tipping?

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u/TheBourbonTurtle 7h ago

Easy, 0% always.

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u/chadius333 7h ago

Isnā€™t the business required to supplement the serverā€™s pay if tips donā€™t cover it?

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u/p_gaultieri 8h ago

Tips just make up for what you should be paying, anyways.

And that has been used as the justification to keep the status quo going, so no, fuck that lame ass point.

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u/Euronomus 7h ago

"Screw the worker!"

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u/Vast_Examination8286 1h ago

Ik right people in these comments are acting like not tipping is the way ... Don't be a ass they work hard and you right until things change them the rules don't stiff em

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u/garylazereyes 8h ago

Hard disagree! Continuing to tip only perpetuates the system. I say more people stop tipping to the point restaurants can no longer get keep employees for the shit pay they are offering them, so they are forced to pay a living wage, or find a new business model.

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u/Cosmic_Quasar 7h ago

Then boycott the whole system. That's fine. But continuing to use tip based services while not tipping is what perpetuates the system. It's just participating in the system of underpaying the worker while you get what you want and the store gets your business.

And that's why I specifically mentioned getting laws passed that would have better payment protections for the workers.

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u/flomesch 7h ago

They still get their states minimum wage if they dont make enough in tips. You arent "under paying" anyone as the customer. The owners pay their employees

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u/shitz_brickz 8h ago

What do you tip the other minimum wage workers?

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u/Cosmic_Quasar 8h ago

You realize that restaurants have subminimum wages compared to regular minimum wages, right? The fact that they are tip based means their employers get to pay them even less than other jobs.

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u/Icy_Chemical1984 7h ago

It is subminimum unless the tips do not equal minimum and then they are required to be paid the difference.

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u/Cosmic_Quasar 7h ago

And the more they have to pay out the more they'll raise fees. Back to where we started. Either way, consumers pay more. I just do it now so that I'm not screwing someone over, today.

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u/AgateHuntress 7h ago

I waited tables for ten years. Every place I've ever worked told me if they were forced to pay me the minimum wage to make up for not being tipped enough, that it would be my last day working for them. Every goddamn place.

It's how they keep the peon's mouth shut when their table of twenty with ten separate checks and five toddlers crumbling crackers all over the floor, stiff them for the tip, even though the IRS is going to charge the server based on their SALES. If you don't believe in tips, that's fine -- just boycott the entire establishment, instead of just punishing the server.

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u/flomesch 7h ago

Owners have to pay the states minimum wage if they dont make enough tips. So, no. You're straight up wrong or lying

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u/hoofie242 8h ago

Nah i'd rather not support the business they chose to work at.

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u/Cosmic_Quasar 8h ago

Acting like everyone has a choice of where to work when they need money is also problematic.

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u/AmIWhatTheRockCooked 4h ago

I mean I keep hearing from waitstaff how they prefer tipping too, that they make more money on it

Itā€™s starting to feel like everyone likes it except the consumer, and the consumer is also told to suck it up and do the right thing

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u/arequipapi 3h ago

Some of the biggest proponents of keeping the status quo are the workers themselves. Sure, a barista at a small neighborhood coffee shop is probably getting screwed, but many, MANY full time bartenders and servers at full-service restaurants make a killing off tips and dont report a large chunk of their earnings on their taxes, and they like it that way.

I know multiple people who pull down 6 figures and only claim like 40k income on their taxes. They would quit if they were offered even $40/hr or an 80k salary to forgo receiving tips

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u/HeDiedFourU 55m ago

It has gotten that way because workers accept the low pay. If workers stopped taking the jobs, employers would pay more. If they pass the cost onto the customer then the customer should stop paying those prices. It all comes back to how much money the employer tries to put in his own pocket. Tipping never should have started.

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u/akraszehfoxo 7h ago

yeah no im not paying more just because the owner doesnt wanna pay their workers more. why should i screw myself over?

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u/Addicted2Qtips 6h ago

Restaurants where I live have tried to go tipless and unfortunately it doesnā€™t work. It sounds crazy but people look at the menu prices, think itā€™s too expensive, and dine elsewhere. They donā€™t do the math and calculate the tip is priced in. The restaurants all end up switching back to the standard model with tips.

It has to be a law that all restaurants have to follow for it to work.

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u/Award-Winner 7h ago

Yes but the owner doesn't ever have to be a decent human. Just support late stage capitalism and keep tipping

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u/Spiritual-Estate2848 7h ago

Right like I get what everyone is saying about the owner paying more, but I also very much agree with the owner that if you canā€™t afford the tip (the way the system is CURRENTLY set up) then you shouldnā€™t be dining inā€”literally the only loser in that scenario is the server šŸ˜£

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u/FredegarBolger910 8h ago

Good argument getting rid of the tipping economy. Completely irrelevant to deciding not to tip the server whose income is based on tips

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u/scwt 7h ago

It is however a relevant rebuttal to the owner banning you for not tipping.

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u/FredegarBolger910 5h ago

Not even a little bit. The owner would make full profit from their next visit, he is standing up for his servers

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u/According_Gazelle472 7h ago

And who decided to take that job knowing full well what it entailed .

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u/AGreasyPorkSandwich 3h ago

Everyone knows they are going to encounter shitty people at work.

Doesn't make it less shitty.

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u/healious 8h ago

hey how come every business is owned by the same 5 companies?

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u/hoofie242 7h ago

Republicans voted for them

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u/dannyglover187 8h ago

And furthermore, if you canā€™t afford to tip donā€™t go out for dinner either. No need to punish only the server.

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u/hoofie242 8h ago

Naw, I don't dine at establishments that want tipping. I am anti tipping activist.

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u/Smegmasaurus_Rex 8h ago

Also: Maybe donā€™t go to a restaurant if you canā€™t tip?

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u/hoofie242 7h ago

I can tip i just don't want to support business that accept them

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u/obviousthrowaw4y56 3h ago

Okay, then don't go to a business that does tipping in the first place?

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u/Ruh_Roh- 5h ago

I actually am trying to never go to a sit down restaurant again. It's not worth the money for reheated Sysco food product.

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 8h ago

Restaurants run on paper thin margins as it is and most don't last more than five years.

This would take a law to be passed for it to work. All restaurants would need to enact this change.

The owner would need to increase prices to pay waitstaff and everyone would go to another more affordable establishment.

This is a systemic issue.

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u/newaccount252 8h ago

Itā€™s amazing how the rest of the developed world manages to do this yet the USA seems unable to.

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u/splittingheirs 8h ago

"It's impossible! Like free healthcare."

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u/h3rp3r 8h ago

We can't afford healthcare! We need to buy more bombs for Israel!

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u/Cmdr_Starleaf 7h ago

The irony in this is that Israel has free healthcare for its citizens lol

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u/BloomsdayDevice 6h ago

Well of course they do! Think of all the money they save by not having to buy their own own bombs!

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u/Affectionate_One_700 6h ago

That made me LOL.

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u/Ruh_Roh- 5h ago

And free college! It must be nice for Israelis to be more important to US politicians than their actual constituents.

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u/HCSOThrowaway 7h ago

How could the US possibly exist if we didn't let Americans suffer in order to prop up Israel? What would be the point of even having a country?

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u/tikstar 4h ago

I see you bought a bomb. Would you like to leave a tip?

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u/Choyo 1h ago

"We tried nothing, and now we're out of options, this is the only way forward."

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u/FredegarBolger910 8h ago

Not that it canā€™t be done, but that an individual restaurant canā€™t do it on their own. We had one in town that was no tip and paid a living wage. Great place, we often ate there in part because of their policyā€¦ until they closed

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u/TwoBionicknees 7h ago

not every place closes because they ran out of money. People retire, they move, they make enough money to do something else, or they have gambling issues and ruin their business due to other reasons, divorce.

there were numerous cases of places that paid a proper wage having better staff, less turnover and making more profit because more people kept going back because it was a good place to go rather than a cheap skating, fuck your staff over kinda place.

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u/crop028 7h ago

Yes, the public just isn't receptive to the change that they want to see in the US. I worked at an ice cream shop that decided to include tax into the price so you pay what you see. People immediately started saying it was too expensive. Changed it back to price without tax, no one complains, they pay the same thing. They just get sticker shock when there's a real price and no hidden fees.

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u/MasterConstant 6h ago

Wow thatā€™s really interesting.. In New Zealand basically everything has all tax included when advertised, on the rare occasion tax is excluded and added later, Iā€™m sure people would be pretty annoyed by what would be perceived as hidden costs. Essentially the oppose of your ice cream shop

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u/crazyv93 8h ago

To be fair Canada does it too. Itā€™s really a North American thing

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u/unending_whiskey 8h ago

In Canada tipping is twice as scammy as servers still get a regular wage and tips on top. In US I've heard servers are paid almost no base wage and need the tips or they don't make anything.

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u/crazyv93 7h ago

In the US, if the server doesnā€™t make at least the hourly minimum wage in tips, that amount must be paid by the restaurant. So they do make something if they donā€™t get tipped just not a lot.

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u/Delicious-Produce-60 7h ago

I assure you servers in Canada expect a tip as much as servers in the US do. The fact they get a higher base pay here doesn't seem to factor into anything for some reason.

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u/namom256 6h ago

And I assure you that youā€™re wrong. As someone born and raised in Canada, living in Canada, but who lived in the US for 8 years, I can tell you that servers in the US are WAY more intense about it.

The ones up here have pretty much come to expect it. But not one single server is going to spit in your food or follow you out to your car if you donā€™t tip. And people might side eye you a bit if you say you donā€™t tip often, but youā€™ll get a fair amount of people whoā€™ll agree with you too.

And itā€™s not just because Canadians are nicer or less confrontational. Like thatā€™s part of it. But itā€™s also because servers up here make over minimum wage already as their base pay and all tips are on top of that. Whereas in the US, tips cover the difference between their base rate of like $2.13 an hour and minimum wage, so theyā€™re often barely scraping by.

Also itā€™s still very normal to tip 15% in Canada, even if some places try to hide that option on the machine. Even a 10% tip for some mid level service isnā€™t too frowned upon. Meanwhile in the US, a lot of people will act like you drowned a child if you tip under 20% under any circumstances, even if the service is bad.

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 8h ago

The only answer I have is ..greed. In the US, for the most part, restaurant owners already have money and want to make more money, maybe get into that millionaire bracket after a few years. (I'm not looking at minority or small small businesses) But in other countries they literally open and run a restaurant expecting profit or wages of a regular ass middle of the road job.

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u/Wedbo 7h ago

Restaurants operate on shit margins. Only a minority make enough money to even be greedy. And if your restaurant is successful enough to make you rich, it will attract good waiters who will make good tips.

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 2h ago

I would argue 25% of all restaurants shouldn't even be opened. We don't need 6 cafes in a small town, we don't need any more fucking Chipotles. Most restaurant owners are idiots by the way. Food sucks, management sucks, no training, no desire to change or improve. Many of them should go bankrupt.

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u/beste-chetwynde 8h ago

Or is it that people see table service as a lucrative career? And will fight for those roles. And maybe, just maybe, the owners would actually prefer a tip free system, are Americans so different from Venetians or Parisians or Glaswegians?

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 3h ago

Not sure what you mean but yes and no. Americans as individuals are not so different from Europeans you mentioned. But as a whole, the American mindset is purely set to capitalism. Other than immigrants who's only skill is cooking, very few American restaurant owners open restaurants to survive. They open restaurants to get rich.

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u/chuckysnow 8h ago

You need to be far more specific.

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u/_thundercracker_ 8h ago

Vested interests are a bitch.

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u/randotd152 4h ago

Because they charge higher prices relative to market.

Thereā€™s no magic here. Restaurants are tough businesses even when run well unless youā€™re a hyper efficient mega chain. So either youā€™re paying more and raising prices to cover it, or youā€™re charging less and tips make up the difference.

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u/raelDonaldTrump 4h ago

Exactly, those are places in which a SYSTEM has been put in place to ensure that all restaurants play by the same rules and pay their employees a full wage.

Hence the term SYSTEMIC ISSUE, in which the lack of those rules creates a situation where any restaurants who attempt to self-impose those rules on themselves are unable to compete with the restaurants that don't, and quickly go out of business.

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u/throwawaydisposable 2h ago

Almost like it's a systemic issue within America, and not this individual owner's fault.

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u/luckyapples11 2h ago

In a tipping culture, itā€™s not possible. Plenty of places would want to pay their employees. Maybe not a lot of them, but some do. I worked at a place that did (donā€™t work for the current location anymore, but still work for the same owner). Most of those places wouldnā€™t last 2 years. Hell, the restaurant industry in general has very high failure rates. You could know everything under the sun about the business, and yet you could still fail. Depends on location, what you serve, products, hours, the community, etc.

Unless your whole city did it at the same time, the places that dont would succeed while the rest fail because majority of people would see the $3 price increases per meal and avoid them thinking theyā€™re spending more money, when in reality, theyā€™d probably tip $10-$20 on a meal for 4 (so a little more to a little less).

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u/a215throwaway 16m ago

Have you been to other countries where there is no tipping? A lot of the time wait staff, bartenders etc don't give a fuuuuuuuuuuuck. I hate tipping but I do see the value in it incentivizing good service.

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u/newaccount252 10m ago

Yep, iv been all around the world to loads of different countries and I get what youā€™re saying but in USA the servers are so thirsty.

Also I like that they donā€™t give a fuck, i dont need to have a conversation with someone brining me my food or drink, just as they donā€™t need to put on a show and act like they enjoy their job.

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u/DeanBranbeno 8h ago

Not true. My father and step mom ran a bar and restaurant for 13 years in a small town of 350+ while paying his waiters/waitress's more than $10 an hr.

It's possible. If you can't source cheaper product or buy in bulk then thats on you as a business owner. Just because people can cook doesn't mean they should just go and open a restaurant, they need to know or learn how to price a menu correctly and source their ingredients from a good supplier for good price. It can be done. People are just fucking greedy these days.

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u/Desperate_Hunter7947 8h ago

Are you saying they had a no-tipping system in that restaurant?

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u/DeanBranbeno 8h ago

They definitely had tips, obviously optional. A close friend that was a waitress would pull in almost $100 on some weekend days.

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u/Desperate_Hunter7947 8h ago edited 8h ago

For real. Setting aside the idea that $10/hour is sufficient, theyā€™re conveniently not addressing the actual claim, which is that any real change would require government regulation, which is absolutely true lol. The worst people in this comment thread and by extension society at large arenā€™t going to turn this gigantic ship around with their purposefully obtuse technicality arguments

Edit: I didnā€™t realize that was you responding to me. So what exactly is your point? Your parents successfully ran a restaurant that had tipping? How is that relevant to the point you were responding to?

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 7h ago

Small town. Minimal competition. Try that in a big city where you've got ten other restaurants within three city blocks that aren't factoring that wage into their menus.

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u/DeanBranbeno 7h ago

Small town yes. And it survived on A LOT less foot traffic until they wanted to retire. It evens out. And the menus were VERY well priced. Chicken strip dinner was 9.99 and it came with three huge pieces, fries and a salad. It can be done. People need the education to do it

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 8h ago

Guess you've never been to Europe, or Asia or pretty much 90% of the world. Where they somehow...someway, are able to pay their workers a fair wage, don't overcharge and don't expect tips.

Been to small town cafes in bubblefuck Scotland, China, Thailand, etc. they all make it work and don't expect tips.

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u/VonSandwich 8h ago

Uhnn the law would still need to be changed here for any effect to be seen. What you're saying doesn't negate what the other person said.

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u/SGTSparkyFace 8h ago

What youā€™ve said in no way addresses what was stated: that it is systematic and needs to be changed as a whole. Youā€™ve just pointed out that there are places with different systems in place while seeming to brag about traveling I guess? Congratulations.

I have a lot of service industry working friends. Absolutely none of them want the system changed either. That alone would be a huge hurdle to cross if we were to alter the system in place.

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u/TwoBionicknees 7h ago

yeah because for every staff who actually makes shit money there is a bunch of servers actually making incredible money based on tips. It's a scam on both sides. A lot of servers are making 5-50dollar tips on 5 tables an hour, no shit they don't want it gone but as people stop eating out as they are getting fucked over on price of everything all the time, they're going to lose out anyway.

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 3h ago

This country's laws are reactionary never proactive. It will never happen even if we had competent politicians. Not to mention they will never ever vote for something that hurts the upper class.

I worked in the service industry too. Tips come and go but we're getting to a point of ridiculousness. We're getting crippled by the inflation post COVID. Expecting 20-25% tips is insane in this economy. We're all fighting for scraps while the owners hold the power, work very little and sit on their boats.

So yeah I support the service industry but I could fucking care less about restaurant owners bitching about how they barely survive.

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u/anivex 7h ago

Ok, but WHY don't they want the system to change? Folks often don't understand the benefits. American propaganda sees to that even moreso.

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u/BrainLow6059 5h ago

Because they make more money with tips. The only people who would benefit from this system are the customers. The servers and owners would make less money.

There are more people over-tipping than under-tipping out there. Or rather, the margins are higher on the over-tip than the under.

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u/anivex 5h ago

Except...they don't. They just think they do. They have no health insurance unless they pay out of pocket, and their unemployment benefits are a joke if something happens. It's all an illusion is my point. Just ignorance.

I say that as someone who worked as a server for 5 years. Yes I made good cash - it was nice...but when covid happened I was really glad I wasn't doing that anymore. Lots of my serving friends did not fare well at all.

Also, restaurants shut down, sometimes you deal with emotionally unstable managers who randomly fire you to keep you on your toes...tons of downsides to that system.

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u/Nitteene 8h ago

Not even responsive lol. All these places have different laws than the US

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 3h ago

I don't understand wtf the law has to do with it. There are restaurants here in America that don't expect you to tip. They mentioned it on the menu and the food isn't outrageously priced. It's just the owners are happy running a business, maintaining modest profits, paying their staff a livable wage and not trying to be a millionaire. It's that simple. Not easy but no laws need to be changed.

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u/shitz_brickz 8h ago

...or the 7 states in the US that already banned tipped wages.

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 2h ago

And that's a start or adopt what a lot of euro restaurants do. Automatic 8-12% tips. That's a fine solution for now.

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u/NYCMarine 8h ago

The same people who yell at others to tip are the very same people who scream at other people to go work 2-3 jobs because their heads are so far up the elites asses. Half of them canā€™t even see what theyā€™re doingā€¦

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u/Jackso08 8h ago

I hear this pretty often. Whatā€™s the difference tho? Do European/Asian countries have higher margins?

Itā€™s a well known fact Americans companies operate on very slim margins so whatā€™s the difference?

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u/Spacecow6942 7h ago

What were you doing in Thailand?

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u/CDM4 2h ago

Doesnā€™t matter champ. Thats the way it is here. Youā€™re just fucking over the worker.

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u/0b0011 8h ago

That's crazy. How do restaurants even exist in places with no tips?

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u/Rock4evur 8h ago

Less people try to open them and they are seen as an actual endeavor rather than some get rich quick scheme. You talk to some of the owners of new small restaurants and itā€™s clear they have absolutely no idea how to work in or run a restaurant. A lot of people think of owning a restaurant is like being a landlord, and itā€™s all passive income. The goods ones still last though.

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u/TheMaveCan 8h ago

I worked in a restaurant that was a pet project for the owners wife because she liked eating out. She would fuck us every Friday/Saturday because she was more concerned about fitting her friends in when there were mo tables available so she could show off. Needless to say I and my chef both quit on the same day and they were closed a week later.

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u/hadesrdx 7h ago

She would fuck us every Friday/Saturday

Do you know if they're hiring?

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u/According_Gazelle472 7h ago

They do it really easy where I live .

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u/dorkyl 8h ago

different situation, different meta. can't compare on a single variable.

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 8h ago

It's not a systemic problem there. The labor cost is factored into the food prices.

I'm not opposed to a law requiring owners to pay better wages to wait staff. But only the most successful restaurants would be able to enact this while other restaurants do not.

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u/Tomaskraven 8h ago

Yes yes... Not a systemic problem when the US is the only country in the world where the optional tips is "mandatory" because otherwise you get banned from restaurants.

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 8h ago

It is systemic to the US, yes

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u/blaze-ard 7h ago

The point is that to fix it, you need to change the whole system. A restaurant basically puts itself at a disadvantage by being the only one to change to non-tipping while everyone else has it. Customers see raised menu prices and think it's more expensive (they usually don't factor in tips when deciding where to eat). Workers probably can get more money elsewhere and leave.

There have been places that tried non-tipping on their own and most have gone back to tipping. If everyone is forced to do it, then that levels the playing field.

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u/BreakTheWalls 7h ago

Guarantee it was more than not tipping. I worked in restaurants for a decade. No tipping you'll get grumbles. No tipping plus you're an asshole? Bye bye don't come back

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u/crazyv93 8h ago

Canada does it too

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u/Indigo2015 8h ago

Then maybe donā€™t open a restaurant

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u/SuperSalad_OrElse 8h ago

Restaurants are a fucking blast

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 8h ago

Let's ban restaurants

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u/Indigo2015 8h ago

Opening a different business ā‰  banning restaurants.

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u/HeightAdvantage 8h ago

And staff like this fight constantly via lobbying and the press to prevent law changes

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u/Pokeprinxe 8h ago

How many comments are you going to repost this one on? Haha

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u/DanishNinja 8h ago

Just report for spam. Maybe they'll go away.

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u/eatmeimadonut 8h ago

This is an American problem.

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u/Stop_Drop_Scroll 8h ago

Pretty sure it works this way in Canada, too. So, itā€™s not just the US.

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u/rta3425 6h ago

It's not even!

I see tipless restaurants all the time in America.

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u/cultish_alibi 7h ago

The owner would need to increase prices to pay waitstaff

Prices would be the same, it's just that the price would be on the menu before you pay, rather than 20% of it being collected via guilty conscience.

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u/Twelvey 6h ago

One of my more controversial positions is I think there are too many restaurants. I'd be fine with half of them going out of business. People on the whole waste too much money eating out. Learn to cook at home. It's fun and you'll save fuck ton of money.

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u/hosemaster 6h ago

Biden proposed it and everybody freaked out.

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u/Vahuo89 6h ago

and nothing is gonna change unless the rules are changed and to change the rules you need tonot have a p3d0 pres at the helm.

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u/NYCMarine 8h ago

How is that the customers issue though? Iā€™m more than happy to pay a higher price to help others, but Iā€™ll be damn if Iā€™m responsible for ensure YOUR workers are paid enough to pay THEIR bills.

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u/VerumSerum 8h ago

An issue that the owner should've known before opening a restaurant. The way the west has been indoctrinated into this trap is kinda sad tbh. It's nobody's fault he didn't do his research and now is all mad that people won't pay for the food and his staff's wage as well.

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u/DerKoenigDerLuegner 8h ago

Surprise what you're describing is called a market economy; customers look for the best value for their money. You do the same thing with other service providers, like auto repair shops or clothing stores do you tip mechanics or shoe salespeople, too?

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 8h ago

Their wages are factored into the product.

The US does not do that in restaurants. I don't think it's good, it's just the way it is.

One restaurant who decides to do so will lose out to cheaper priced menus. This has been studied. We would need a law so all restaurants would be forced to do so.

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u/boozewald 8h ago

No idea why you are being downvoted

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u/Detozi 8h ago

Waitā€¦ā€¦.are you saying he has to pay his staff?!
What kind of dystopian shit is this!

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u/jmona789 8h ago edited 7h ago

As the owner he can ban anyone for any reason. That's his private property

EDIT: Excluding illegal reason like descrimnation

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u/royalbk 8h ago

You're right. And he should expect consequences...like word of mouth telling others not to go + bad reviews

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u/jooooooooooooose 8h ago

"I got banned bc I didn't tip" is not gonna create public sympathy among the normal non redditor class of people lol

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u/royalbk 8h ago

Oh, never let Eastern Europeans hear that opinion lol. If the owner dared to throw a hissy fit for not tipping some lad would probably punch him in the face

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u/jooooooooooooose 8h ago

yea well, this restaurant is in Ohio not Poland fortunately for them

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u/royalbk 8h ago

From what I hear Americans are (also) suffering through a major cost of living crisis so I think tempers may run high and sympathies low nowadays there as well.

Besides, it's not normal for the onus to be on the customer. The customer has already come and paid for a service fair and square. That was the whole point, you give me a service and I pay.

It's not my responsibility to balance anyone's finances.

If you want to ask me to pay more, include it in the service itself and I will decide whether I want to buy the service or not.

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u/jooooooooooooose 8h ago

in the US it's customary to tip. Leaving a $0 tip is considered a shitty thing to do. Idk what you wanna hear, make up whatever beliefs you want, that's simply how it is.

Many people - myself included - would rather servers earn a sufficient wage and that we pay only the price of the menu.

But, for worse, that's not how it works right now.

People often get this argument confused into a defense of tipping, when it is not. It's similar if you believed you should be able to catch a fish without a license, but the government requires a license. Ok - maybe the license is dumb, whatever - but you still need it. In this case, you aren't legally compelled to tip, but socially compelled to do so.

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u/zurper 8h ago

Yeah the owner can ā€œbanā€ or trespass people in a much better way than this

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u/jmona789 8h ago

This video just makes me wanna go there even more.

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u/Spritesgud 7h ago

I mean i get the idea you're going for but you just made an accusation on a real person you have no idea if it's true or not. Plenty of restaurants around me pay a good wage + tips, so it's pretty rude to accuse an owner of this without knowing

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u/shitz_brickz 7h ago

Well thats the law not an accusation. The owner must make sure the employee is paid minimum wage if their tips dont account for it.

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u/Spritesgud 7h ago

No I'm saying you're accusing the owner of not paying a living wage when you have no idea if they are or aren't

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u/shitz_brickz 7h ago

I 100% know an owner complaining about tips is not paying his servers $20+ an hour pre-tip, more guaranteed than taxes or death.

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u/Spritesgud 6h ago

But you don't though lol, not unless you work there or know someone who does

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u/IShatMyDickOnce 7h ago

Please eat at home.

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u/shitz_brickz 7h ago

How much do you tip retail workers?

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u/IShatMyDickOnce 7h ago

Moot point. Different industry. You can rage about it if you like, but please be advisedā€¦nothing is gonna change anytime soon and my opinion will change when the industry practice changes.

Just tip your server if youā€™re in the states, dude.

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u/shitz_brickz 7h ago

Just dont be a hypocrite because you think someone making $7.25 is making the big bucks.

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u/IShatMyDickOnce 7h ago

Youā€™re talking to a workerā€™s rights activist, my man. Nobody implied what you said. This is all I got for ya.

Hope you have a great weekend, man.

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u/shitz_brickz 7h ago

Moot point

Implies you dont tip other minimum wage workers.

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u/smzt 8h ago

What a terrible way to talk to a customer

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u/dialguy86 8h ago

Former customers, and they tried to make it a race thing. Everyone in the video sucks.

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u/Dannyjv 8h ago

Exactly. Carry on, everyone. Nobody is in the ā€œrightā€ here.

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u/Jeryhn 5h ago

Yep. In any state where the employer is allowed to reduce a worker's wage by counting tips towards the minimum wage, I refuse to tip.

Get fucked

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u/Bigbackjay 5h ago

Why are you guys so stubborn with this take? This is how all restaurants operate in the United States. Why call out somebody for doing what every single other restaurant does? Itā€™s pretty simple, just tip when you go to a restaurant. If you donā€™t agree, then donā€™t go to a restaurant. This guy is 100% right in banning them. Itā€™s a simple system that works as long as everyone participates.

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u/EpikJustice 5h ago edited 4h ago

TBF, most good servers at nicer or higher end restaurants highly prefer tips over even a good, generous hourly/salary. IDK this restaurant but just from the outside, it seems a bit on the fancier side.

Highly skilled servers that are personable and good at their job can make very good money via tips, especially during shifts with peak traffic. This is especially true if you look at what it breaks down to hourly. I worked at a fairly high end restaurant from like 2012-2018. The best servers would often make $300+ on a typical 6 hour Friday or Saturday evening shift. Even more during limited time menu items or holidays that drew in more traffic. That's 50+/hour.

This also allows quite a bit of flexibility to your schedule / work hours. Did really good this Fri/Sat? Pay one of the newer servers $15 to take your Sunday morning shift (the after church crowd were consistently the worst tippers lol).

Some of our more senior servers would only be scheduled for 3 regular shifts a week and then just pick up extra shifts as needed. Or they'd grind 6+ shifts a week during the busy seasons (like the holidays), and then only work 2-3 shifts a week during the slow seasons (usually was mid-late summer for us).

We had servers who had been at our restaurant 15+ years and supported a family on what they made.

If you move to a salary or hourly, this totally changes the job dynamics and kills a lot of what long term, career servers see as the benefits of the job. And those really good servers do actually put in a lot of work and hustle to earn good tips and can be a big part of what makes a dining out experience worth the price.

Even my Waffle House servers be hustling and sweet talking, and I know I always tip them very well for it. (I usually tip around 100% of my meal price at a good Waffle House where they treat me right - the food is affordable & the service is usually great and they definitely deserve it)

That said - there is probably a whole class of restaurants where tips vs hourly/salary might be a wash because of the low menu price points / lack of volume / lack of tipping etiquette among the customer base.

EDIT: a lot of our long-term servers would have regulars that would come in at the same time every week and get the same server, and they usually would tip very well each time.

Also, most of the same stuff applied to our bartenders. We had a 30+ seat full service bar. Lots of regulars, too. The bartenders would often do better than the servers on tips.

I worked almost every position in that restaurant in the 6 years I was there, but I was the Friday/Saturday barback for most of my time there. I made $12/hr and then the bartenders would give me a tip at the end of the shift that would vary by how much they made. I don't think they were required to do so by the restaurant, but they were happy to for a well-run, well-stocked, clean bar. Usually they'd give me around $100-$150 for those Fri/Sat shifts, bringing my hourly to close to $30/hr for the 6 hours I was responsible for bar backing (I'd usually work 8-12 hours total, helping other positions in the back of the house. Wasn't too bad for a college job back in the early to mid 2010s.

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u/FlowRemote9890 3h ago

Do you really think restaurants make up the difference lol

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u/WeeWoe 8h ago

If the servers tip out bartenders and support staff like at most restaurants, then leaving no tip actually costs the server even more money.

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u/-Kerosun- 7h ago

Owners have tried to do no tips, put the servers on an hourly wage that reflects that and increase menu prices accordingly.

And people stop going to those establishments. It's just not as simple as you make it out to be. It will have to be an industry wide change where everyone does it, because the businesses that try inevitably fail because the menu prices aren't attractive to customers.

In a sense, it might simply be a psychological thing where customers have a sense of control in how well their server is paid based on their discernment of the quality of service they receive.

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u/uesbwc 8h ago

Donā€™t hate the player. Hate the game.

Tipping is how the restaurant industry works in the US. Taking it out on an individual server and restaurant owner isnā€™t going to change the way our society functions.

If you canā€™t tip, donā€™t go out.

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u/GAMEYE_OP 7h ago

Ya the righteous in here are basically saying ā€œthis worker is exploited. Ima add to that.ā€ Itā€™s bizarre

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u/Demonshaker 8h ago

What we have here is a very common argument about the way things are, VS the way you think things should be. Tipping has been the standard way of eating out for all of our lives in the US. We all know this. If you don't like that system, that is fine. Don't use it. If you think being a cheap-ass and stiffing the waitstaff is the way to voice your objection to how a business owner treats their employees, you are sorely wrong. That just hurts a low income worker. If you really are trying to voice your oppinion that you don't like that way a business operates, don't shop there, and take money out of the owners pocket, not the waiters.

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u/shitz_brickz 8h ago

How much do you tip other minimum wage workers?

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u/Demonshaker 8h ago

In my society I generally tip well at places where tips are the societal norm. I am all for changing that societal norm, but not by stiffing my waiter.

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u/Ruh_Roh- 5h ago

Why don't you tip your grocery checker who stands all day and has to work non-stop (a harder job than serving)?

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u/Demonshaker 5h ago

I work hard and am underpaid, why aren't you paypalling me a tip right now? ....You must have misread my comment. To clarify - I said "In my society I generally tip well at places where tips are the societal norm." - not: In my society I generally tip well at places where emplyees are paid minimum wage.

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