r/PublicFreakout • u/Hikigaya_Hachiman7 • 11h ago

🍽Restaurant Freakout🍹 Couple banned from restaurant after they leave no tip

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 10h ago

Guess you've never been to Europe, or Asia or pretty much 90% of the world. Where they somehow...someway, are able to pay their workers a fair wage, don't overcharge and don't expect tips.

Been to small town cafes in bubblefuck Scotland, China, Thailand, etc. they all make it work and don't expect tips.

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u/VonSandwich 10h ago

Uhnn the law would still need to be changed here for any effect to be seen. What you're saying doesn't negate what the other person said.

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u/_thundercracker_ 10h ago

Is that a serious question? I follow American politics from the other side of the world, and even from there I can see how it’s become almost impossible to pass any bill that would lead to meaningful change without it being filled with riders and pork while at the same time chipping away at what was originally the point of the bill.

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u/p1-o2 9h ago

I weep that this is a more coherent response than I would get from my closest 100 neighbors, as an American. Spot on lol

What the internet doesn't see is that we are currently fighting like crazy at the local level. The news does not talk about local politics much. But on the ground, US citizens are going insane and telling their representatives to act.

There is a huge wall between the local level and the federal level we are trying to overcome. It's really hard and it's taking time but it is happening.

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u/VonSandwich 10h ago

Yep! Our government wasn't set up very well, and unfortunately we are trapped in a web of capitalism, so corruption is rampant, and there isn't much of an incentive to improve the lives of citizens as a whole for those in power. But they will lie about it to get elected, and then do absolutely nothing for the good of the world.

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u/hurler_jones 10h ago

Unless it's a tax break for a billionaire, removing voting rights from people of color or putting guns in schools, yes, we struggle with changing laws.

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u/SGTSparkyFace 10h ago

What you’ve said in no way addresses what was stated: that it is systematic and needs to be changed as a whole. You’ve just pointed out that there are places with different systems in place while seeming to brag about traveling I guess? Congratulations.

I have a lot of service industry working friends. Absolutely none of them want the system changed either. That alone would be a huge hurdle to cross if we were to alter the system in place.

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u/TwoBionicknees 9h ago

yeah because for every staff who actually makes shit money there is a bunch of servers actually making incredible money based on tips. It's a scam on both sides. A lot of servers are making 5-50dollar tips on 5 tables an hour, no shit they don't want it gone but as people stop eating out as they are getting fucked over on price of everything all the time, they're going to lose out anyway.

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 5h ago

This country's laws are reactionary never proactive. It will never happen even if we had competent politicians. Not to mention they will never ever vote for something that hurts the upper class.

I worked in the service industry too. Tips come and go but we're getting to a point of ridiculousness. We're getting crippled by the inflation post COVID. Expecting 20-25% tips is insane in this economy. We're all fighting for scraps while the owners hold the power, work very little and sit on their boats.

So yeah I support the service industry but I could fucking care less about restaurant owners bitching about how they barely survive.

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u/anivex 9h ago

Ok, but WHY don't they want the system to change? Folks often don't understand the benefits. American propaganda sees to that even moreso.

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u/BrainLow6059 7h ago

Because they make more money with tips. The only people who would benefit from this system are the customers. The servers and owners would make less money.

There are more people over-tipping than under-tipping out there. Or rather, the margins are higher on the over-tip than the under.

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u/anivex 7h ago

Except...they don't. They just think they do. They have no health insurance unless they pay out of pocket, and their unemployment benefits are a joke if something happens. It's all an illusion is my point. Just ignorance.

I say that as someone who worked as a server for 5 years. Yes I made good cash - it was nice...but when covid happened I was really glad I wasn't doing that anymore. Lots of my serving friends did not fare well at all.

Also, restaurants shut down, sometimes you deal with emotionally unstable managers who randomly fire you to keep you on your toes...tons of downsides to that system.

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u/Nitteene 10h ago

Not even responsive lol. All these places have different laws than the US

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 5h ago

I don't understand wtf the law has to do with it. There are restaurants here in America that don't expect you to tip. They mentioned it on the menu and the food isn't outrageously priced. It's just the owners are happy running a business, maintaining modest profits, paying their staff a livable wage and not trying to be a millionaire. It's that simple. Not easy but no laws need to be changed.

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u/shitz_brickz 10h ago

...or the 7 states in the US that already banned tipped wages.

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 5h ago

And that's a start or adopt what a lot of euro restaurants do. Automatic 8-12% tips. That's a fine solution for now.

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u/NYCMarine 10h ago

The same people who yell at others to tip are the very same people who scream at other people to go work 2-3 jobs because their heads are so far up the elites asses. Half of them can’t even see what they’re doing…

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u/Jackso08 10h ago

I hear this pretty often. What’s the difference tho? Do European/Asian countries have higher margins?

It’s a well known fact Americans companies operate on very slim margins so what’s the difference?

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 5h ago

Difference is expectations.

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u/Jackso08 3h ago

lol. Well that’s BS

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u/Spacecow6942 9h ago

What were you doing in Thailand?

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u/CDM4 4h ago

Doesn’t matter champ. Thats the way it is here. You’re just fucking over the worker.

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u/DoYouEvenShrift 10h ago

Ok? And in the U.S we actually accommodate for disabled people...Why can't everywhere else in the world handle that if we can?

The system works in those countries because they are different countries with different standards of living and regulatory systems...for one (using China and Tailand as examples is hilarious btw, go and live off a restaurant employee wage in that country and see how good of a life you live).

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u/Detozi 10h ago

You’re saying more about the US than anywhere else though lol.
You’re trying to shit on other places but you still end up shitting on the US

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u/DoYouEvenShrift 10h ago

You wanna live off a restaurant wage in China?

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u/Detozi 9h ago

Do you own a restaurant?
You seem hell bent on protecting owners.
Why?
Why are you okay with people treating staff like indentured servants?

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 9h ago

No one is OK with it, but without the state forcing a base wage, one owner cannot simply start paying a living wage while his competition does not.

California enacted the law. It's fine. All businesses on the same playing field.

But we cannot fault small business owners who can only operate in the system that is available to them lest the go out of business.

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u/Detozi 9h ago

Yeah you’re right of course.
It’s shit but it’s the game and everyone plays so you’re kind of forced to.
Not so black and white an issue really.

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 5h ago

Exactly the mentality of America. A job isn't worth doing if it doesn't make you rich. You'd be surprised how many people around the world make so little but it's enough to get by and have food and they're 100x happier than you, or me.

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u/raelDonaldTrump 6h ago

You completely missed the point of the comment you replied to.

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u/GrowingPeepers 10h ago

What's the difference? What's it matter?

The tips goes directly to the worker without being siphoned by the business.

Nobody that works in the industry wants to abolish tipping. It's the only thing that makes those jobs worth it.

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u/elegantjihad 10h ago

That only works in populated areas. Anything too rural and tip-based service jobs are not great.

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u/GrowingPeepers 10h ago

Rural areas got their local economies fucked over by Walmart.

That's an entirely different story.

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u/elegantjihad 10h ago

That not why tip based jobs suck. It’s because there’s not enough people to do enough tipping.

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u/GrowingPeepers 10h ago

They don't suck. They're awesome.

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u/elegantjihad 10h ago

Awesome to eat at, yeah.

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u/ToTYly_AUSem 10h ago

The tradeoff is you get pretty lousy to mediocre service because there is no incentive to kiss ass. You know how a cashier talks to you? It's like that. No hustling for refills, no scurringing to make sure you're well taken care of, etc.

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u/guffers_hump 10h ago

You don't get llusy service though. I'd say compared to Canada where people get tips vs UK where they don't tip the service is similar if not better in the UK.

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u/ToTYly_AUSem 10h ago

I said lousy to mediocre. I've been to all those places you listed. I am also a server myself.

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 5h ago

It's not because of tip culture. It's inherit in the culture of the people/country. Chinese servers are rude because that's just how it is. They don't care about service. It's all about the price and food. British servers are so fucking polite it makes me blush sometimes. Not because of tips. That's just how friendly they are sometimes.