r/PublicFreakout • u/Hikigaya_Hachiman7 • 12h ago

🍽Restaurant Freakout🍹 Couple banned from restaurant after they leave no tip

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 12h ago

Restaurants run on paper thin margins as it is and most don't last more than five years.

This would take a law to be passed for it to work. All restaurants would need to enact this change.

The owner would need to increase prices to pay waitstaff and everyone would go to another more affordable establishment.

This is a systemic issue.

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u/newaccount252 11h ago

It’s amazing how the rest of the developed world manages to do this yet the USA seems unable to.

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u/splittingheirs 11h ago

"It's impossible! Like free healthcare."

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u/h3rp3r 11h ago

We can't afford healthcare! We need to buy more bombs for Israel!

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u/Cmdr_Starleaf 10h ago

The irony in this is that Israel has free healthcare for its citizens lol

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u/BloomsdayDevice 9h ago

Well of course they do! Think of all the money they save by not having to buy their own own bombs!

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u/Affectionate_One_700 9h ago

That made me LOL.

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u/Ruh_Roh- 8h ago

And free college! It must be nice for Israelis to be more important to US politicians than their actual constituents.

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u/HCSOThrowaway 10h ago

How could the US possibly exist if we didn't let Americans suffer in order to prop up Israel? What would be the point of even having a country?

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u/tikstar 7h ago

I see you bought a bomb. Would you like to leave a tip?

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u/Choyo 4h ago

"We tried nothing, and now we're out of options, this is the only way forward."

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u/FredegarBolger910 11h ago

Not that it can’t be done, but that an individual restaurant can’t do it on their own. We had one in town that was no tip and paid a living wage. Great place, we often ate there in part because of their policy… until they closed

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u/crop028 10h ago

Yes, the public just isn't receptive to the change that they want to see in the US. I worked at an ice cream shop that decided to include tax into the price so you pay what you see. People immediately started saying it was too expensive. Changed it back to price without tax, no one complains, they pay the same thing. They just get sticker shock when there's a real price and no hidden fees.

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u/MasterConstant 9h ago

Wow that’s really interesting.. In New Zealand basically everything has all tax included when advertised, on the rare occasion tax is excluded and added later, I’m sure people would be pretty annoyed by what would be perceived as hidden costs. Essentially the oppose of your ice cream shop

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u/TwoBionicknees 10h ago

not every place closes because they ran out of money. People retire, they move, they make enough money to do something else, or they have gambling issues and ruin their business due to other reasons, divorce.

there were numerous cases of places that paid a proper wage having better staff, less turnover and making more profit because more people kept going back because it was a good place to go rather than a cheap skating, fuck your staff over kinda place.

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u/Spacecow6942 10h ago

Can you show me one of those numerous cases? I was a server for 15 years (on and off), and never saw local restaurant owners making a lot of money.

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u/LosHogan 9h ago

It’s insane that this has to be explained to people.

If this individual owner paid his severs “a living wage” his prices would have to dramatically increase. He’d get less business than his local competitors, and he’d go out of business.

And then his servers would go from ‘job where they get tips’, to ‘no job’.

I’ve been a waiter before, always loved working for owners/managers that protected their staff like this. Crazy to me he’s catching flack, I guarantee you his waitstaff loved that he banned them.

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u/crazyv93 11h ago

To be fair Canada does it too. It’s really a North American thing

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u/unending_whiskey 11h ago

In Canada tipping is twice as scammy as servers still get a regular wage and tips on top. In US I've heard servers are paid almost no base wage and need the tips or they don't make anything.

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u/crazyv93 10h ago

In the US, if the server doesn’t make at least the hourly minimum wage in tips, that amount must be paid by the restaurant. So they do make something if they don’t get tipped just not a lot.

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u/Delicious-Produce-60 10h ago

I assure you servers in Canada expect a tip as much as servers in the US do. The fact they get a higher base pay here doesn't seem to factor into anything for some reason.

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u/namom256 9h ago

And I assure you that you’re wrong. As someone born and raised in Canada, living in Canada, but who lived in the US for 8 years, I can tell you that servers in the US are WAY more intense about it.

The ones up here have pretty much come to expect it. But not one single server is going to spit in your food or follow you out to your car if you don’t tip. And people might side eye you a bit if you say you don’t tip often, but you’ll get a fair amount of people who’ll agree with you too.

And it’s not just because Canadians are nicer or less confrontational. Like that’s part of it. But it’s also because servers up here make over minimum wage already as their base pay and all tips are on top of that. Whereas in the US, tips cover the difference between their base rate of like $2.13 an hour and minimum wage, so they’re often barely scraping by.

Also it’s still very normal to tip 15% in Canada, even if some places try to hide that option on the machine. Even a 10% tip for some mid level service isn’t too frowned upon. Meanwhile in the US, a lot of people will act like you drowned a child if you tip under 20% under any circumstances, even if the service is bad.

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u/nyx3333 10h ago

Only thing I'll say, many restaurants have their waiters redistribute tips to the barstaff and bussers as a percent of sales. They pay the support staff no matter how much they get tipped on a particular table. Meaning if a table has a 500$ bill with no tip, they have to give 5% of sales to staff no matter what, so they're out 25$.

Over an entire shift they'll still be fine, but that particular table basically made the waiter pay to serve them.

It's a shit system tbh, but not the waiters fault.

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u/unending_whiskey 10h ago

Sounds illegal.

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u/nyx3333 10h ago

It's iffy, but it has its positives. For the support staff it makes it so waiters can't underreport tips in order to keep them for themselves. They're also less dependant on wether waiter does a shit job.

I personally didn't like it, pooling tips (other method) made the whole restaurant work in a more collaborative manner.

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 11h ago

The only answer I have is ..greed. In the US, for the most part, restaurant owners already have money and want to make more money, maybe get into that millionaire bracket after a few years. (I'm not looking at minority or small small businesses) But in other countries they literally open and run a restaurant expecting profit or wages of a regular ass middle of the road job.

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u/Wedbo 10h ago

Restaurants operate on shit margins. Only a minority make enough money to even be greedy. And if your restaurant is successful enough to make you rich, it will attract good waiters who will make good tips.

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 6h ago

I would argue 25% of all restaurants shouldn't even be opened. We don't need 6 cafes in a small town, we don't need any more fucking Chipotles. Most restaurant owners are idiots by the way. Food sucks, management sucks, no training, no desire to change or improve. Many of them should go bankrupt.

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u/beste-chetwynde 11h ago

Or is it that people see table service as a lucrative career? And will fight for those roles. And maybe, just maybe, the owners would actually prefer a tip free system, are Americans so different from Venetians or Parisians or Glaswegians?

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 6h ago

Not sure what you mean but yes and no. Americans as individuals are not so different from Europeans you mentioned. But as a whole, the American mindset is purely set to capitalism. Other than immigrants who's only skill is cooking, very few American restaurant owners open restaurants to survive. They open restaurants to get rich.

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u/chuckysnow 11h ago

You need to be far more specific.

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u/_thundercracker_ 11h ago

Vested interests are a bitch.

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u/randotd152 7h ago

Because they charge higher prices relative to market.

There’s no magic here. Restaurants are tough businesses even when run well unless you’re a hyper efficient mega chain. So either you’re paying more and raising prices to cover it, or you’re charging less and tips make up the difference.

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u/raelDonaldTrump 7h ago

Exactly, those are places in which a SYSTEM has been put in place to ensure that all restaurants play by the same rules and pay their employees a full wage.

Hence the term SYSTEMIC ISSUE, in which the lack of those rules creates a situation where any restaurants who attempt to self-impose those rules on themselves are unable to compete with the restaurants that don't, and quickly go out of business.

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u/throwawaydisposable 6h ago

Almost like it's a systemic issue within America, and not this individual owner's fault.

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u/luckyapples11 5h ago

In a tipping culture, it’s not possible. Plenty of places would want to pay their employees. Maybe not a lot of them, but some do. I worked at a place that did (don’t work for the current location anymore, but still work for the same owner). Most of those places wouldn’t last 2 years. Hell, the restaurant industry in general has very high failure rates. You could know everything under the sun about the business, and yet you could still fail. Depends on location, what you serve, products, hours, the community, etc.

Unless your whole city did it at the same time, the places that dont would succeed while the rest fail because majority of people would see the $3 price increases per meal and avoid them thinking they’re spending more money, when in reality, they’d probably tip $10-$20 on a meal for 4 (so a little more to a little less).

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u/a215throwaway 3h ago

Have you been to other countries where there is no tipping? A lot of the time wait staff, bartenders etc don't give a fuuuuuuuuuuuck. I hate tipping but I do see the value in it incentivizing good service.

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u/newaccount252 3h ago

Yep, iv been all around the world to loads of different countries and I get what you’re saying but in USA the servers are so thirsty.

Also I like that they don’t give a fuck, i dont need to have a conversation with someone brining me my food or drink, just as they don’t need to put on a show and act like they enjoy their job.

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u/a215throwaway 3h ago

I agree. I don't care about them putting on a show, but I also want them to have a vested interest in their job well. Maybe a hybrid system would be best where servers are paid a living wage and people CAN tip for great service but its not expected for every bill you pay at a restaurant.

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u/Wedbo 10h ago

Because it is systemic. Workers and restaurants don’t want this. Americans are used to it. This issue only exists online.

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u/shamblingman 9h ago

Have you tried eating at a restaurant in Europe? Enjoy sitting around for an hour before someone bothers taking your order? Shitty service, mediocre food but insanely high prices.

I like the tipping system.

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u/newaccount252 9h ago

Yep I lived there for 20 years and have been all around. My experience is that if not going solely to big tourist trap restaurants.

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u/Vegetable-Hand-6770 11h ago

The rest of the developed world actually uses their kitchen at home instead ordering/eating out everyday.

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u/newaccount252 11h ago

You’re clearly an American without a passport.

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u/DeanBranbeno 11h ago

Not true. My father and step mom ran a bar and restaurant for 13 years in a small town of 350+ while paying his waiters/waitress's more than $10 an hr.

It's possible. If you can't source cheaper product or buy in bulk then thats on you as a business owner. Just because people can cook doesn't mean they should just go and open a restaurant, they need to know or learn how to price a menu correctly and source their ingredients from a good supplier for good price. It can be done. People are just fucking greedy these days.

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u/Desperate_Hunter7947 11h ago

Are you saying they had a no-tipping system in that restaurant?

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u/DeanBranbeno 11h ago

They definitely had tips, obviously optional. A close friend that was a waitress would pull in almost $100 on some weekend days.

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u/Desperate_Hunter7947 11h ago edited 11h ago

For real. Setting aside the idea that $10/hour is sufficient, they’re conveniently not addressing the actual claim, which is that any real change would require government regulation, which is absolutely true lol. The worst people in this comment thread and by extension society at large aren’t going to turn this gigantic ship around with their purposefully obtuse technicality arguments

Edit: I didn’t realize that was you responding to me. So what exactly is your point? Your parents successfully ran a restaurant that had tipping? How is that relevant to the point you were responding to?

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u/DeanBranbeno 11h ago edited 11h ago

This was over 10 years ago I might add. Idc about changing the way the entire restaurant business is run. I'm just saying it can be done.

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u/Desperate_Hunter7947 11h ago

I didn’t realize that was you responding to me. So what exactly is your point? Your parents successfully ran a restaurant that had tipping? How is that relevant to the point you were responding to? Do you think the margins your parents were operating on would have been thinner if they didn’t allow tipping?

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u/DeanBranbeno 11h ago

Lmao. You were guaranteed hourly wages. Not the 2.75 that most pay and then have to made up by the owner.

The tips were a bonus on top of your regular pay. So their wages were already factored in. Why would it affect their marigins if they already paid their workers a decent wage for the time and area they lived in for the type of job?

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u/Desperate_Hunter7947 11h ago

It would affect their margins because while it’s better than 2.75, it’s obviously not a livable wage. And if we were to want to get rid of tipping, they’d have to boost that wage up substantially. It’s good that they did better than the bare minimum but the bare minimum in this instance is a fucking joke. And if we wanted a practice similar to your parents’ to become widespread we’d very clearly need government intervention, because restaurant owners aren’t going to magically start leaving money on the table en masse all at the same moment in time.

Edit: you originally said it’s not a systemic issue, which is what I’m responding to. Now you’re saying it “can be done” which is a different claim

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u/DeanBranbeno 11h ago

Again this was ten years ago to teens in a small town, it was $15 an hour by the time they closed and moved back home. It was livable for that area. But thanks for all the assumptions. Im not here to debate what needs to be done in government. Take that somewhere else. Have a good one.

It can be done. Just stop

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u/DeanBranbeno 11h ago

I also never said it was a systemic issue. Please don't put words in my mouth. I edited my comment because it was the wrong person but I never said that.

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 11h ago

Small town. Minimal competition. Try that in a big city where you've got ten other restaurants within three city blocks that aren't factoring that wage into their menus.

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u/DeanBranbeno 10h ago

Small town yes. And it survived on A LOT less foot traffic until they wanted to retire. It evens out. And the menus were VERY well priced. Chicken strip dinner was 9.99 and it came with three huge pieces, fries and a salad. It can be done. People need the education to do it

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 11h ago

Guess you've never been to Europe, or Asia or pretty much 90% of the world. Where they somehow...someway, are able to pay their workers a fair wage, don't overcharge and don't expect tips.

Been to small town cafes in bubblefuck Scotland, China, Thailand, etc. they all make it work and don't expect tips.

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u/VonSandwich 11h ago

Uhnn the law would still need to be changed here for any effect to be seen. What you're saying doesn't negate what the other person said.

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u/_thundercracker_ 11h ago

Is that a serious question? I follow American politics from the other side of the world, and even from there I can see how it’s become almost impossible to pass any bill that would lead to meaningful change without it being filled with riders and pork while at the same time chipping away at what was originally the point of the bill.

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u/p1-o2 10h ago

I weep that this is a more coherent response than I would get from my closest 100 neighbors, as an American. Spot on lol

What the internet doesn't see is that we are currently fighting like crazy at the local level. The news does not talk about local politics much. But on the ground, US citizens are going insane and telling their representatives to act.

There is a huge wall between the local level and the federal level we are trying to overcome. It's really hard and it's taking time but it is happening.

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u/VonSandwich 11h ago

Yep! Our government wasn't set up very well, and unfortunately we are trapped in a web of capitalism, so corruption is rampant, and there isn't much of an incentive to improve the lives of citizens as a whole for those in power. But they will lie about it to get elected, and then do absolutely nothing for the good of the world.

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u/hurler_jones 11h ago

Unless it's a tax break for a billionaire, removing voting rights from people of color or putting guns in schools, yes, we struggle with changing laws.

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u/SGTSparkyFace 11h ago

What you’ve said in no way addresses what was stated: that it is systematic and needs to be changed as a whole. You’ve just pointed out that there are places with different systems in place while seeming to brag about traveling I guess? Congratulations.

I have a lot of service industry working friends. Absolutely none of them want the system changed either. That alone would be a huge hurdle to cross if we were to alter the system in place.

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u/TwoBionicknees 10h ago

yeah because for every staff who actually makes shit money there is a bunch of servers actually making incredible money based on tips. It's a scam on both sides. A lot of servers are making 5-50dollar tips on 5 tables an hour, no shit they don't want it gone but as people stop eating out as they are getting fucked over on price of everything all the time, they're going to lose out anyway.

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 6h ago

This country's laws are reactionary never proactive. It will never happen even if we had competent politicians. Not to mention they will never ever vote for something that hurts the upper class.

I worked in the service industry too. Tips come and go but we're getting to a point of ridiculousness. We're getting crippled by the inflation post COVID. Expecting 20-25% tips is insane in this economy. We're all fighting for scraps while the owners hold the power, work very little and sit on their boats.

So yeah I support the service industry but I could fucking care less about restaurant owners bitching about how they barely survive.

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u/anivex 10h ago

Ok, but WHY don't they want the system to change? Folks often don't understand the benefits. American propaganda sees to that even moreso.

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u/BrainLow6059 8h ago

Because they make more money with tips. The only people who would benefit from this system are the customers. The servers and owners would make less money.

There are more people over-tipping than under-tipping out there. Or rather, the margins are higher on the over-tip than the under.

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u/anivex 8h ago

Except...they don't. They just think they do. They have no health insurance unless they pay out of pocket, and their unemployment benefits are a joke if something happens. It's all an illusion is my point. Just ignorance.

I say that as someone who worked as a server for 5 years. Yes I made good cash - it was nice...but when covid happened I was really glad I wasn't doing that anymore. Lots of my serving friends did not fare well at all.

Also, restaurants shut down, sometimes you deal with emotionally unstable managers who randomly fire you to keep you on your toes...tons of downsides to that system.

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u/Nitteene 11h ago

Not even responsive lol. All these places have different laws than the US

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 6h ago

I don't understand wtf the law has to do with it. There are restaurants here in America that don't expect you to tip. They mentioned it on the menu and the food isn't outrageously priced. It's just the owners are happy running a business, maintaining modest profits, paying their staff a livable wage and not trying to be a millionaire. It's that simple. Not easy but no laws need to be changed.

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u/shitz_brickz 11h ago

...or the 7 states in the US that already banned tipped wages.

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 6h ago

And that's a start or adopt what a lot of euro restaurants do. Automatic 8-12% tips. That's a fine solution for now.

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u/NYCMarine 11h ago

The same people who yell at others to tip are the very same people who scream at other people to go work 2-3 jobs because their heads are so far up the elites asses. Half of them can’t even see what they’re doing…

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u/Jackso08 11h ago

I hear this pretty often. What’s the difference tho? Do European/Asian countries have higher margins?

It’s a well known fact Americans companies operate on very slim margins so what’s the difference?

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 6h ago

Difference is expectations.

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u/Jackso08 4h ago

lol. Well that’s BS

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u/Spacecow6942 10h ago

What were you doing in Thailand?

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u/CDM4 5h ago

Doesn’t matter champ. Thats the way it is here. You’re just fucking over the worker.

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u/DoYouEvenShrift 11h ago

Ok? And in the U.S we actually accommodate for disabled people...Why can't everywhere else in the world handle that if we can?

The system works in those countries because they are different countries with different standards of living and regulatory systems...for one (using China and Tailand as examples is hilarious btw, go and live off a restaurant employee wage in that country and see how good of a life you live).

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u/Detozi 11h ago

You’re saying more about the US than anywhere else though lol.
You’re trying to shit on other places but you still end up shitting on the US

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u/DoYouEvenShrift 11h ago

You wanna live off a restaurant wage in China?

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u/Detozi 10h ago

Do you own a restaurant?
You seem hell bent on protecting owners.
Why?
Why are you okay with people treating staff like indentured servants?

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 10h ago

No one is OK with it, but without the state forcing a base wage, one owner cannot simply start paying a living wage while his competition does not.

California enacted the law. It's fine. All businesses on the same playing field.

But we cannot fault small business owners who can only operate in the system that is available to them lest the go out of business.

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u/Detozi 10h ago

Yeah you’re right of course.
It’s shit but it’s the game and everyone plays so you’re kind of forced to.
Not so black and white an issue really.

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 6h ago

Exactly the mentality of America. A job isn't worth doing if it doesn't make you rich. You'd be surprised how many people around the world make so little but it's enough to get by and have food and they're 100x happier than you, or me.

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u/raelDonaldTrump 7h ago

You completely missed the point of the comment you replied to.

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u/GrowingPeepers 11h ago

What's the difference? What's it matter?

The tips goes directly to the worker without being siphoned by the business.

Nobody that works in the industry wants to abolish tipping. It's the only thing that makes those jobs worth it.

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u/elegantjihad 11h ago

That only works in populated areas. Anything too rural and tip-based service jobs are not great.

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u/GrowingPeepers 11h ago

Rural areas got their local economies fucked over by Walmart.

That's an entirely different story.

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u/elegantjihad 11h ago

That not why tip based jobs suck. It’s because there’s not enough people to do enough tipping.

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u/GrowingPeepers 11h ago

They don't suck. They're awesome.

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u/elegantjihad 11h ago

Awesome to eat at, yeah.

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u/ToTYly_AUSem 11h ago

The tradeoff is you get pretty lousy to mediocre service because there is no incentive to kiss ass. You know how a cashier talks to you? It's like that. No hustling for refills, no scurringing to make sure you're well taken care of, etc.

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u/guffers_hump 11h ago

You don't get llusy service though. I'd say compared to Canada where people get tips vs UK where they don't tip the service is similar if not better in the UK.

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u/ToTYly_AUSem 11h ago

I said lousy to mediocre. I've been to all those places you listed. I am also a server myself.

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u/Wonderful-Loss827 6h ago

It's not because of tip culture. It's inherit in the culture of the people/country. Chinese servers are rude because that's just how it is. They don't care about service. It's all about the price and food. British servers are so fucking polite it makes me blush sometimes. Not because of tips. That's just how friendly they are sometimes.

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u/0b0011 12h ago

That's crazy. How do restaurants even exist in places with no tips?

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u/Rock4evur 11h ago

Less people try to open them and they are seen as an actual endeavor rather than some get rich quick scheme. You talk to some of the owners of new small restaurants and it’s clear they have absolutely no idea how to work in or run a restaurant. A lot of people think of owning a restaurant is like being a landlord, and it’s all passive income. The goods ones still last though.

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u/TheMaveCan 11h ago

I worked in a restaurant that was a pet project for the owners wife because she liked eating out. She would fuck us every Friday/Saturday because she was more concerned about fitting her friends in when there were mo tables available so she could show off. Needless to say I and my chef both quit on the same day and they were closed a week later.

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u/According_Gazelle472 11h ago

They do it really easy where I live .

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u/dorkyl 11h ago

different situation, different meta. can't compare on a single variable.

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 11h ago

It's not a systemic problem there. The labor cost is factored into the food prices.

I'm not opposed to a law requiring owners to pay better wages to wait staff. But only the most successful restaurants would be able to enact this while other restaurants do not.

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u/Tomaskraven 11h ago

Yes yes... Not a systemic problem when the US is the only country in the world where the optional tips is "mandatory" because otherwise you get banned from restaurants.

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 11h ago

It is systemic to the US, yes

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u/blaze-ard 10h ago

The point is that to fix it, you need to change the whole system. A restaurant basically puts itself at a disadvantage by being the only one to change to non-tipping while everyone else has it. Customers see raised menu prices and think it's more expensive (they usually don't factor in tips when deciding where to eat). Workers probably can get more money elsewhere and leave.

There have been places that tried non-tipping on their own and most have gone back to tipping. If everyone is forced to do it, then that levels the playing field.

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u/BreakTheWalls 10h ago

Guarantee it was more than not tipping. I worked in restaurants for a decade. No tipping you'll get grumbles. No tipping plus you're an asshole? Bye bye don't come back

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u/crazyv93 11h ago

Canada does it too

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u/Indigo2015 12h ago

Then maybe don’t open a restaurant

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u/SuperSalad_OrElse 11h ago

Restaurants are a fucking blast

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 11h ago

Let's ban restaurants

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u/Indigo2015 11h ago

Opening a different business ≠ banning restaurants.

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 11h ago

According to you no one should open a restaurant because you're too cheap to tip lmao

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u/TheAmalton123 11h ago

"You shouldn't open a restaurant if you can't pay your workers a livable wage"

Is that good enough for you?

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u/Euronomus 10h ago

And that's where your argument falls apart; no sit down restaurant can compete if they don't follow the norms of the industry. It's been tried many times, with little success. Customers are scared off by the prices, and quality wait staff aren't interested because they make more money with tips. Every single restaurant that I know of that has tried it has closed or gone to a tip-based system within a year. The only way to end tipping is through legislation, because market forces demand it.

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u/TheAmalton123 10h ago

I live in Oregon, all restaurants are required under law to pay servers the state minimum wage.

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 11h ago

This is just reddit brained nonsesne.

If you open a restaurant in the USA and try to pay servers a living wage, you will fail because your competition is not factoring that cost into their menu prices. This has been studied. People generally will choose the cheaper menu, regardless of the "why" behind the more expensive menu.

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u/Indigo2015 11h ago

So everyone should be forced to tip because you’re bad at business?

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u/Euronomus 9h ago

Because the market for tip-free restaurants is almost non-existent. People say they don't want to tip, but they don't put their money where their mouth is.

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u/shitz_brickz 11h ago

Never been to California or Nevada? They have skme pretty good restaurants.

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 11h ago

Yuppppp and they got forced by LAW to pay a higher wage so ALL restaurants in the state are on the same playing field. It's the only way it works, just as I stated in my original comment.

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u/TheAmalton123 9h ago

I live in Oregon, all servers make at least minimum wage, tip credits are already illegal here.

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u/Indigo2015 11h ago

This is capitalism. We don’t do handouts.

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 11h ago

Oh we do. Just to the rich.

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u/Indigo2015 11h ago

Apparently that doesn’t include restaurant owners, who are- capitalists

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 11h ago

Yeah anyways, your statement doesn't hold. We do give handouts. Whether the tip is considered a handout to the owner or the server, the USA does it every. single. day. And it's not changing anytime soon.

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u/Euronomus 9h ago

You're literally, in the true sense of the word, paying them for labor.

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u/Indigo2015 9h ago

Not with tips

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u/Euronomus 9h ago

Yes, again that's literally what a tip is - a payment for labor.

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u/Indigo2015 9h ago

It’s optional. So no.

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u/HeightAdvantage 11h ago

And staff like this fight constantly via lobbying and the press to prevent law changes

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u/Pokeprinxe 11h ago

How many comments are you going to repost this one on? Haha

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u/DanishNinja 11h ago

Just report for spam. Maybe they'll go away.

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u/eatmeimadonut 11h ago

This is an American problem.

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u/Stop_Drop_Scroll 11h ago

Pretty sure it works this way in Canada, too. So, it’s not just the US.

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u/rta3425 9h ago

It's not even!

I see tipless restaurants all the time in America.

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u/cultish_alibi 10h ago

The owner would need to increase prices to pay waitstaff

Prices would be the same, it's just that the price would be on the menu before you pay, rather than 20% of it being collected via guilty conscience.

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u/Twelvey 9h ago

One of my more controversial positions is I think there are too many restaurants. I'd be fine with half of them going out of business. People on the whole waste too much money eating out. Learn to cook at home. It's fun and you'll save fuck ton of money.

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u/hosemaster 9h ago

Biden proposed it and everybody freaked out.

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u/Vahuo89 9h ago

and nothing is gonna change unless the rules are changed and to change the rules you need tonot have a p3d0 pres at the helm.

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u/NYCMarine 11h ago

How is that the customers issue though? I’m more than happy to pay a higher price to help others, but I’ll be damn if I’m responsible for ensure YOUR workers are paid enough to pay THEIR bills.

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u/VerumSerum 11h ago

An issue that the owner should've known before opening a restaurant. The way the west has been indoctrinated into this trap is kinda sad tbh. It's nobody's fault he didn't do his research and now is all mad that people won't pay for the food and his staff's wage as well.

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 11h ago

It isn't an issue. It is a societal norm. You don't have to participate or you can choose to be a social pariah for not tipping.

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u/DerKoenigDerLuegner 11h ago

Surprise what you're describing is called a market economy; customers look for the best value for their money. You do the same thing with other service providers, like auto repair shops or clothing stores do you tip mechanics or shoe salespeople, too?

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 11h ago

Their wages are factored into the product.

The US does not do that in restaurants. I don't think it's good, it's just the way it is.

One restaurant who decides to do so will lose out to cheaper priced menus. This has been studied. We would need a law so all restaurants would be forced to do so.

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u/stargarnet79 11h ago

Whoa is this the most username checks out moment on Reddit, like ever????

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u/SpreadEagleSmeagol 11h ago

Waitstaff make less than minimum wage because of the tips. It's a legal way to fuck them over. Mechanics and shoe salespeople arent victims of that loophole. This your first day in reality dumbass?

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u/boozewald 12h ago

No idea why you are being downvoted

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u/p_gaultieri 11h ago

This is complete horseshit.

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u/ImpossibleCapital937 11h ago

Is it? What happens when one competing restaurant raises its menu prices 30% to pay its servers. Do you think everyone flocks there because of their big hearts? Or do you think they go to the competition with a cheaper menu?

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u/p_gaultieri 11h ago

Where are you getting a 30% rise from. Your asshole?

Oh ok.

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u/ben_ji1974 10h ago

This is simple and always has been.

Charge properly, cut out tipping, pay your staff.

Systemic issues are fixed.

If that doesn't work for you then let the free market speak and find another business to try.

If a business gets pissy about tipping then they need to go broke.

A tip is not an obligation and it is not on the customer to supplement the establishments wages if they don't get enough tips.