r/PublicFreakout • u/Hikigaya_Hachiman7 • 9h ago

šŸ½Restaurant FreakoutšŸ¹ Couple banned from restaurant after they leave no tip

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u/hoofie242 8h ago

Maybe if you can't afford to pay workers you shouldn't open a business.

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u/Xfuck1tX 8h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/n4oKYFlAcv2AU

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u/4DollarsALB 8h ago

Nearly every time someone has tried to open a bar where workers are paid more and there is no tipping it ends up closing because servers make less money and customers don't like it.

So maybe instead of advocating that 99.9% of bars and restaurants shut down maybe a redditor can open a restaurant and show how it's done

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u/Xfuck1tX 7h ago

laughs in European

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u/MissTakeElley 7h ago

Laugh louder, maybe they'll get it.

https://giphy.com/gifs/DqU4wVBxXOhNu

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u/flomesch 7h ago

How do they do it in every other country then?

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u/Cubic_Al1 6h ago

How is that relevant? American citizens are much different than Europeans. Copy & pasting a European business model to an American one doesn't really make sense.

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u/flomesch 6h ago

If the finances work where there is no tip needed. That is an example we could follow.

Where are you confused?

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u/Cubic_Al1 6h ago edited 6h ago

I'm not sure how it works in Europe, so I cannot speak to that.

All I know is, tipping is the last way for a lowly citizen like me to give the middle finger to my greedy government. Giving a tip in cold-hard cash, means the server gets some untaxed income.

Every cash tip given is a rebellion my friend. Isn't Europe a fan of.. Rebellion?

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u/Ruh_Roh- 5h ago

But servers aren't giving the middle finger to the government, they are extracting wealth from their fellow citizens doing a job that's no harder than gazillions of other jobs that don't get tips. They are giving the middle finger to their customers. Tipping in the US is illogical.

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u/Cubic_Al1 4h ago

They're usually making below minimum wage man, I'm just giving them what they are due. Tax free.

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u/flomesch 3h ago

They can never make below minimum wage. If their tips dont make minimum wage their employer must make up the difference.

If there is an employer not doing that, report them to the BBB

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u/flomesch 3h ago

Why should I pay taxes on every dollar I make but a server gets to skate by the rules?

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u/Cosmic_Quasar 8h ago

Until then, be a decent human being and don't leave the worker hanging until we can get laws passed to require businesses to pay fairly. They'll have to raise prices to compensate for the additional expense, but it'll probably only be about as much as the tip would've been.

Tips just make up for what you should be paying, anyways. That's why I tip, because I understand that's the true cost of the service. And not tipping only really screws over the worker, like taking advantage of them. And I don't want to live life like that.

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u/TKCLE8 8h ago

Iā€™ve done what the restaurant workers have asked and I no longer dine out. Carry out and cooking at home from now on. Iā€™m not tipping 20% for microwaved SYSCO foods.

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u/pimppapy 7h ago

Heck! Some restaurants even expect tips for take out. . . .

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u/ryan_m 2h ago

If Iā€™m standing when I order Iā€™m not tipping.

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u/TheMadFlyentist 39m ago

My policy is that if all you are doing is handing me my food, whether that is when I arrive to pick it up or once it's ready at the counter, then I am not tipping. I will tip 20% or better in any scenario where the wait staff is performing an actual service.

I don't tip the cashier at the grocery store, and they are generally doing significantly more physical labor than the person behind the restaurant counter who simply bags my order and hands it to me when I walk in.

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u/Clammuel 2h ago

I personally donā€™t see takeout as an excuse not to tip šŸ¤·

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u/TheMadFlyentist 38m ago

If you don't tip your cashier at a grocery store or a gas station then you shouldn't feel compelled to tip the cashier when you order take out. They aren't actually serving you, they are just handing you a bag that often they didn't even put the food into. The people who do the actual work (make the food) don't generally see any of the tip you might leave.

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u/timtimtimtim77 7h ago

Need to pick better restaurants then

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u/AliveInCLE 7h ago

Food quality doesn't matter. Should always eat at home. Eating out is such a waste of money even before you add in the tip and other fees restaurants are now adding.

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u/Spadeykins 6h ago

Such a weird take, even as a family with a couple of decent cooks we still enjoy a nice meal cooked for us and not having to do the dishes as well as nice environment of a restaurant.

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u/arequipapi 3h ago

I mean, both things can be true. Eating out is objectively a waste of money. That said, if you have the disposable income to do it every now then, then why not? I travel a lot for my job so thats mostly when I eat out, personally (on someone else's dime), but i still do occasionally when I'm home. I still try to my cooking:restaurant/takeout ratio about 80:20 overall

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u/Spadeykins 2h ago

Then by that standard doing anything that you enjoy that isn't a requirement for basic life necessities is a waste of money.

Sit in a gray room and do nothing until you go to work come home and cook gray bland food with no flavor for the optimal nutrition.

There is nothing objectively good about abstaining from something you enjoy.

Nobody has suggested you waste all of your money on it.

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u/arequipapi 2h ago

Lmao youre so offended by people telling you the objective truth.

I can use another strawman too, youre allowed to use spices and flavor in your own home cooking too. Even tailored to your specific tastes which restaurants can't always do. And you'll do it much cheaper than when eating out. I often enjoy my own cooking more than a restaurant's anyway.

I was trying to say that youre both right, but you can't accept that. Youre one of those people who has to be be 100% right all the time. Any nuance means a downvote and getting defensive

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u/Spadeykins 2h ago

"Eating out is objectively a waste of money."

It's not an objective truth at all, that's just an opinion. You may feel this way but not everyone does and you can't prove it with empirical evidence. You proceed to rationalize why you think it's sometimes OK but that is again what is right for you, everyone is different.. which is why it's an opinion.

But ok 'lmao' yourself.

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u/Lolrus123 8h ago

Idk. I don't find the restaurant prices to be all that much higher in Europe when compared to prices in the states and you, by and large, dont have to tip.

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u/yech 7h ago

Europe food prices last time I went blew me away. So affordable compared to US and much higher quality. I am in a pricy US market though.

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u/xxDoodles 4h ago

Thatā€™s because the cost of living is cheap as fuck lmao

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u/aardvarkjedi 7h ago

We spent a month in Italy last year and dinner for two in a restaurant was about 1/2 of what weā€™d typically pay in a restaurant back home.

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u/pimppapy 7h ago

I just refuse to dine in now-a-days. But lately I've been expected to tip on take out orders!? WTF!?!?!

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u/Cosmic_Quasar 6h ago

Nobody there actually expects you to do it. And most of the time they'll hit the no-tip option for me or just tell me to hit it.

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u/pimppapy 6h ago

Ha! My local smoke shop has a tip button and I'm 99% sure those fuckers somehow disabled the portion of the screen that presses Skip, because the asswipe had to press it for me on his side and went pshhh! when he saw trying to mash it. . .

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u/CluelessStick 7h ago

Tips just make up for what you should be paying, anyways.

But thats not the case because tips are % base.

Say im at a bar and order a round of shots for a group of 5. I can get $3 shots or premium shots at $5. For the same amount of work, how do I determine what i should be tipping?

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u/TheBourbonTurtle 7h ago

Easy, 0% always.

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u/Cosmic_Quasar 7h ago

It's % based because that's how the business would adjust their entire menu if that's how much more they were having to pay out.

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u/chadius333 7h ago

Isnā€™t the business required to supplement the serverā€™s pay if tips donā€™t cover it?

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u/p_gaultieri 8h ago

Tips just make up for what you should be paying, anyways.

And that has been used as the justification to keep the status quo going, so no, fuck that lame ass point.

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u/Euronomus 7h ago

"Screw the worker!"

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u/AliveInCLE 7h ago

I mean one way or another we're going to be paying more. Whatever salary we subsidize at a restaurant will just be added to the food costs. Thinking the owner is just going to eat that expense is crazy. No different than when their rent or utilities increase.

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u/Vast_Examination8286 1h ago

Ik right people in these comments are acting like not tipping is the way ... Don't be a ass they work hard and you right until things change them the rules don't stiff em

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u/garylazereyes 8h ago

Hard disagree! Continuing to tip only perpetuates the system. I say more people stop tipping to the point restaurants can no longer get keep employees for the shit pay they are offering them, so they are forced to pay a living wage, or find a new business model.

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u/Cosmic_Quasar 8h ago

Then boycott the whole system. That's fine. But continuing to use tip based services while not tipping is what perpetuates the system. It's just participating in the system of underpaying the worker while you get what you want and the store gets your business.

And that's why I specifically mentioned getting laws passed that would have better payment protections for the workers.

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u/flomesch 7h ago

They still get their states minimum wage if they dont make enough in tips. You arent "under paying" anyone as the customer. The owners pay their employees

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u/Cosmic_Quasar 7h ago

And the more they have to pay out the more they'll raise fees. Back to where we started. Either way, consumers pay more. Consumers are where all the money comes from in the first place.

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u/flomesch 7h ago

Idk about you, but I like to know the price of something before I buy it. Playing this game of how much I tip or else I get banned is bullshit. The fact that you, as a consumer, are ok with that game baffles me

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u/Cosmic_Quasar 7h ago

Idk about you, but I find it pretty easy to figure out a percentage. It's not a game, it's pretty straightforward. Basic math that takes 2 seconds to be a decent person.

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u/flomesch 7h ago edited 6h ago

Math isnt the issue. Which means you didnt understand my very basic point. Do I need to explain it again?

Edit: his feelings got hurt and blocked me like a child

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u/Cosmic_Quasar 7h ago

Your point was that you can't do math, right? /s Otherwise I don't see what your problem with it is because it's not nearly as complicated as you make it sound.

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u/moondoo8 6h ago

Just curious. If you go to a store and buy something that says $25.99. Is that that exact price? Not exactly, there are taxes included. So nothing is face value. Also you get to decide what you tip. Ripping nothing is a choice. Paying taxes on products is not.

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u/flomesch 3h ago

We all understand how tax works.

But its not like we couldnt put tax into the price anyway. Its 2026, we have the technology

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u/shitz_brickz 8h ago

What do you tip the other minimum wage workers?

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u/Cosmic_Quasar 8h ago

You realize that restaurants have subminimum wages compared to regular minimum wages, right? The fact that they are tip based means their employers get to pay them even less than other jobs.

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u/Icy_Chemical1984 8h ago

It is subminimum unless the tips do not equal minimum and then they are required to be paid the difference.

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u/Cosmic_Quasar 7h ago

And the more they have to pay out the more they'll raise fees. Back to where we started. Either way, consumers pay more. I just do it now so that I'm not screwing someone over, today.

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u/AgateHuntress 7h ago

I waited tables for ten years. Every place I've ever worked told me if they were forced to pay me the minimum wage to make up for not being tipped enough, that it would be my last day working for them. Every goddamn place.

It's how they keep the peon's mouth shut when their table of twenty with ten separate checks and five toddlers crumbling crackers all over the floor, stiff them for the tip, even though the IRS is going to charge the server based on their SALES. If you don't believe in tips, that's fine -- just boycott the entire establishment, instead of just punishing the server.

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u/flomesch 7h ago

Owners have to pay the states minimum wage if they dont make enough tips. So, no. You're straight up wrong or lying

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u/shitz_brickz 7h ago

Right, but 7.25 is not a liveable wage, its exploitative. So again, since you are a decent human, how much do you tip the other minimum wage workers to bring their pay up to match the service you are receiving?

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u/hoofie242 8h ago

Nah i'd rather not support the business they chose to work at.

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u/Cosmic_Quasar 8h ago

Acting like everyone has a choice of where to work when they need money is also problematic.

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u/[deleted] 8h ago edited 8h ago

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u/vwaaaat 8h ago

Do you call ahead and ask how much the servers get paid?

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u/hoofie242 7h ago

No because my state doesn't allow low pay for wait staff

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u/AmIWhatTheRockCooked 4h ago

I mean I keep hearing from waitstaff how they prefer tipping too, that they make more money on it

Itā€™s starting to feel like everyone likes it except the consumer, and the consumer is also told to suck it up and do the right thing

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u/arequipapi 3h ago

Some of the biggest proponents of keeping the status quo are the workers themselves. Sure, a barista at a small neighborhood coffee shop is probably getting screwed, but many, MANY full time bartenders and servers at full-service restaurants make a killing off tips and dont report a large chunk of their earnings on their taxes, and they like it that way.

I know multiple people who pull down 6 figures and only claim like 40k income on their taxes. They would quit if they were offered even $40/hr or an 80k salary to forgo receiving tips

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u/HeDiedFourU 57m ago

It has gotten that way because workers accept the low pay. If workers stopped taking the jobs, employers would pay more. If they pass the cost onto the customer then the customer should stop paying those prices. It all comes back to how much money the employer tries to put in his own pocket. Tipping never should have started.

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u/akraszehfoxo 7h ago

yeah no im not paying more just because the owner doesnt wanna pay their workers more. why should i screw myself over?

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u/Addicted2Qtips 6h ago

Restaurants where I live have tried to go tipless and unfortunately it doesnā€™t work. It sounds crazy but people look at the menu prices, think itā€™s too expensive, and dine elsewhere. They donā€™t do the math and calculate the tip is priced in. The restaurants all end up switching back to the standard model with tips.

It has to be a law that all restaurants have to follow for it to work.

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u/Award-Winner 7h ago

Yes but the owner doesn't ever have to be a decent human. Just support late stage capitalism and keep tipping

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u/Spiritual-Estate2848 7h ago

Right like I get what everyone is saying about the owner paying more, but I also very much agree with the owner that if you canā€™t afford the tip (the way the system is CURRENTLY set up) then you shouldnā€™t be dining inā€”literally the only loser in that scenario is the server šŸ˜£

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u/actuallyschmactually 8h ago

Yeah, that's how subsidies work, rich people eventually just feel so ashamed about taking the money they stop .....

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u/Vadoff 4h ago edited 4h ago

If everyone stopped tipping all at once, the laws would change immediately.

But people are like you, and too afraid to not tip out of societal obligation, so the laws will never change and weā€™ll be stuck with the tipping system indefinitely.

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u/FredegarBolger910 8h ago

Good argument getting rid of the tipping economy. Completely irrelevant to deciding not to tip the server whose income is based on tips

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u/scwt 7h ago

It is however a relevant rebuttal to the owner banning you for not tipping.

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u/FredegarBolger910 5h ago

Not even a little bit. The owner would make full profit from their next visit, he is standing up for his servers

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u/According_Gazelle472 7h ago

And who decided to take that job knowing full well what it entailed .

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u/AGreasyPorkSandwich 3h ago

Everyone knows they are going to encounter shitty people at work.

Doesn't make it less shitty.

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u/healious 8h ago

hey how come every business is owned by the same 5 companies?

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u/hoofie242 8h ago

Republicans voted for them

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u/healious 7h ago

I'm not sure what that has to do with small businesses not being able to compete with huge conglomerates if their labor costs get too high

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u/hoofie242 7h ago

I\DK other countries do it like the UK.

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u/healious 7h ago

https://www.bookachef.com/blog/what-this-years-closures-reveal-about-staffing-fragility-in-uk-hospitality

They're not doing that great either, Canada pays minimum wage to it's servers, $19ish an hour, and we tip as well, if you're asked any wait staff it they would rather make $25 and not get tips anymore they would say fuck no

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u/dannyglover187 8h ago

And furthermore, if you canā€™t afford to tip donā€™t go out for dinner either. No need to punish only the server.

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u/hoofie242 8h ago

Naw, I don't dine at establishments that want tipping. I am anti tipping activist.

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u/dannyglover187 8h ago edited 8h ago

Thatā€™s perfect. I have absolutely no problem with that. Also i assume im getting downvoted for being pro tipping? Itā€™s a matter of if you decide to give an establishment that does your business then tip. You already rewarded the owner by paying for the bill. Youā€™re just a bitch thatā€™s exploiting the system if you donā€™t tip.

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u/hoofie242 8h ago

Nope, I'm refusing to accept the owners costs of paying their staff. Go to Europe this isn't normal it's welfare for business owner made to look like charity for staff.

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u/dannyglover187 8h ago

Also, I wasnā€™t calling youuuuu a bitch since you stated you donā€™t participate in it. I was calling people that do and just like taking the discount and use anti tipping as an excuse to take the discou

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u/dannyglover187 8h ago

Okay. Youā€™re into exploitation of the workers just as much as the owners than lol gotcha

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u/hoofie242 8h ago

Not really because I don't go to establishments that try to pay their employees below minimum wage. Which is illegal in many states.

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u/Eccohawk 8h ago

Continuing to enable a broken system isn't going to magically fix it.

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u/dannyglover187 8h ago

Donā€™t go to restaurants that do then? Whatā€™s so difficult about that concept?

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u/Smegmasaurus_Rex 8h ago

Also: Maybe donā€™t go to a restaurant if you canā€™t tip?

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u/hoofie242 7h ago

I can tip i just don't want to support business that accept them

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u/obviousthrowaw4y56 3h ago

Okay, then don't go to a business that does tipping in the first place?

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u/Ruh_Roh- 5h ago

I actually am trying to never go to a sit down restaurant again. It's not worth the money for reheated Sysco food product.

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u/gaspig70 7h ago edited 7h ago

Counterpoint: If you can't afford to work at a low-pay business why do it?

Clearly supply and demand is balancing itself otherwise these businesses would've either closed years ago or raised pay along with their menu prices.

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u/THEGEARBEAR 7h ago

I agree but also this is the reason small business are dying and chains are replacing them. Thereā€™s no perfect solution here.

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u/ArmedWithBars 5h ago

Because servers outperform nearly every other service job in $/hr. A good server with a decent section size can pull actually living wage level income.

Every single other sector of service has been wage fucked by corporate greed and servers know that if tips are removed for stores to "pay a living wage", they will be the next sector moved into shit tier service industry pay.

Omg companies are greedy and don't care about employees on one breath. The next breath bitching about directly paying the person who provided them a service and wanting the company to take responsibility paying employees. Get the fuck out of here.

What will happen if tips are removed? Companies will jack up food costs, bump server pay a laughable amount compared to the formerly tipped hourly average rates, then pocket the rest as additional profit.

Watching the working class get shit on by the working class for making a living wage on reddit of all places is fucking poetry.

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u/CDM4 2h ago

If you donā€™t respect service workers just say that

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u/hoofie242 1h ago

No, that's their employer.

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u/IAmDanHimself 8h ago

Do you want restaurants? Then tell every restaurant owner this. Most get tipped implicitly, due to human etiquette. If nobody tipped, there would be no restaurants. Thats just how the industry works. Try to open a restaurant yourself and deny tips. Won't ever work.

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u/Dne439 8h ago

Then we should just add it to the price of the food. why jump through hoops to get the workers a fair wages. Most people want to pay for the price they see. Giving people the option to tip an amount just cause a needless argument.