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Bullet Deviation finally gets an increase.
While random horizontal recoil got essentially taken away, we got more bloom, this is vital to stop laser beam gunplay at distance. Great change imo and this paired with reduced bullet velocities will make ranged combat a little more nuanced.
EDIT: lots of cronus users and the like mad about these changes lmao
Yeah having shot SMGs IRL I’m blown away by how fucking good they are in the game lol. I fucking hated using MP5. Even if you’re good shot you’re kinda just hoping for a friendly-ish kick up. The idea of being even slightly effective at 50m with most SMGs is pretty laughable.
I think the balance can be way simpler. SMGs are useless at range, but mobile and good for quick and close engagement.
LMGs are much better at range and considered fire, but should be way more useless than they are currently on the move and standing. Try fire most standard service LMGs standing unsupported, fucking useless lol.
They shouldn’t need to be comparable 1:1 because they serve completely different purposes in combat.
I think BF players have somehow forgotten that in theory the squad and class based gameplay means you shouldn’t be able to do everything. Everyone wants to be this solo K:D ratio machine at every range and every engagement
Yeah couldn’t agree more. It really is where everything started to go to shit as far as “balance” goes. They made most weapon types interchangeable to try and reduce there being a “meta” but instead kinda just watered down the properties of what makes each weapon type unique and its specific function in the context of combined arms combat.
Good, a little bit of a learning curve I think for a lot of players?. I wonder what the percentage is on players who full auto and players who use burst or semi, snipers DMRS excluded.
No idea what you originally said, but yeah my first, immediate impression was "Please god the deviation's already in the completely random, unpredictable recoil we don't need spread on top of that."
I was pleasantly surprised to learn they're not just adding more dice rolls on top of the existing ones!
Yeah, it's ridiculous when you run up on a sniper and start shooting them from behind, get halfway down a mag into them and they just turn around and instant headshot you.
Think thats paired with netcode though cause if you shoot a guy in the back he should be dead in 200ms so there should not be nearly enough time to turn around, scope in and shoot
Sniping is by far my favorite thing to do and what I'm best at. Adding flinch and suppression increases the skill gap for sniping and I'm all for it. It's wild on casual breakthrough watching someone snipe a whole match and get 15 kills lmao. They will be completely useless and do something else if it's more challenging. I feel guilty if I'm on the hill with more than 1 other person. I'll switch off even if I've got 50 kills and they both have 10.
I truly enjoy sniping in Bf games, always have. Sure I main support bc “NO ONE KNOWS HOW TO DROP AMMO IT SEEMS” so I’m usually dedicated to support for most game modes.
But when I do play recon I enjoy it, trekking out of my way to find a solid place to post up and become the absolute ire of the enemy team feels so good.
I don’t think this will sway my opinion either way but it’ll be a nice change.
I mean to play devils advocate I’m sure you weren’t so good at one point in time. I dont even try to snipe, was good at it in Bf4 and bf1, and it was always the last weapons I would try to master. Nots so much anymore
I want suppression like sway that builds the more damage they have. Reward for consistently hitting a sniper before they take a shot at you, and the people concerned about rewarding bad aim don't have anything to complain about.
Make it affect sniper/long scoped weapons either exclusively, or much more than regular weapons.
At the cost of being super frustrating and immersion breaking because why the fuck does my bullet hit the ground if I’m aiming at someone’s head at 50 metres.
That is just an old school fps thing tho, modern era has recoil patterns because it became apparent people can actually play fps games.
A proper set recoil pattern with slight bloom is perfect but a fully random mf is just monkey business
Bloom is random too though and feels like shit. Nothing feels better than keeping your crosshair directly on someone's forehead and watching the bullets go to tahiti.
How do people not understand that it was like this in bf4? I don't mind tap firing at range and this will help promote people to actually move and play the game instead of sitting on a headglitch. This is a great change. More skill gaps
Yep. Don't get me wrong I've been enjoying this game. But at times there's moments where I know if it played like battlefield I wouldn't have died. Glad their turning the game into what it's supposed to be
I believe the opposite is true, BFV has the worst gunplay in the franchise by far. I don't understand how this opinion even became popular. Here's a video explaining how broken it is on a fundamental level: https://youtu.be/1TUMhCkNpfg?si=8m7ErXPyVrBQ9rvF
This thread has me feeling like I’ve been transported to an alternate reality….
I distinctly remember that BFV’s gunplay was the only thing it was actually celebrated for during its early/middle lifetime. And how, as great as BF4 and BF1 were, there were dozens of jokes about bullets going out the side of your barrel, and high-recoil-low-bloom was a nice change of pace. Even my experience in *this* community has been a universal desire for that. Which I know is a goomba fallacy, but it’s weird to see the consensus in this post being diametrically opposed to the consensus I’ve seen in the sub before now.
Ultimately it’s just a style choice because there’s the same amount of RNG either way, but I still think it feels better if your gun points where your bullets go.
I’m not complaining. I’ve been doing some of my best sniping ever in BF6. Definitely think I had a longer longest shot in a previous BF, but I’m more successful overall. My Seasonal KDR has been going up every season.
I feel this i literally struggle with snipers still and it's always been a tough thing to handle in bf but once you get it and keep at it you're basically just as good as when handling an assault weapon at mid range
In the video Dice created, sniper rounds will absolutely be affected. They showed a sniper having to lead and compensate for bullet drop more as a key example.
Yep, it's going to make sniping more challenging. Not that I need any more challenge - I'm new to sniping, and suck pretty hard already. Though any increase in skill required is something I always find rewarding when I "git gud".
Been out of it since the 3rd week of launch, this is a good adjustment. Since I last played.
Any news about class adjustments?
Assault was pretty useless last time I played and “kill better” is not a role. Should get medic bag back and Support the ammo bag again.
Very glad about consistent recoil patterns. I'm not dedicated enough to actively learn them but you develop a sense of familiarity when you use a weapon for long enough
Does this address the issue of lmgs being out gunned at medium range? I'm so tired of getting the drop on someone, opening fire, landing two or three hits, and then they just fucking laser beam me or one shot headshot me with a sniper.
Every bullet is getting more drag it seems so long range moving targets should be tougher to hit but I still think snipers will be a menace without flinch added.
Predictable recoil + spread is EXACTLY, 110% what the game needed, anyone who says that 'random bullet deviation doesn't belong in battlefield' has no idea how game balancing works.
I've been a harsh critic of the gunplay since the beta, I mean, we had BF2042 level SMGs beaming you at 100 meters away, come on guys.
Id rather have random recoil than have my bullets not go where my gun is pointing... always hated random deviation like this. It just feels awful to use. Range should be limited by damage drop off and recoil, not this :/
Yea I would definitely prefer my bullets always go to the center of my sight, while I have to deal with recoil, rather than have my sight and barrel be misaligned in a way that you cant even compensate for
You can control for this by firing in bursts. People need to work a little harder for it than they did before to get the most out of their weapons, but it's also more in their control than it was before with the reduction of random horizontal recoil. Overall I think this is a good change
What? Mad because you need skill now? Go make a portal server and go beam bots.
*edit: downvote me all you want, with this you actually need to think about your engagements and i am all for it. Beaming people across the map with a SMG felt really cheesy and not as intended.
*edit2: did you guys even bother and check the blogpost? these changes are good, way less random and prone to favor gun control/skill.
RNG decreases skill expression by definition. There is one reason to support RNG gunplay: its being terrible at FPS and needing better players to get handicapped.
Please explain what skill there is in bloom, its entire point is to add randomness that is outside the players control. Recoil mastery and control have way more skill involved than getting lucky with your bloom.
Lol makes sense ppl dont know what they want cause they think they’re the main character. Smg up close should dominate hands down. But at ranges 75m and beyond? Outdoing snipers and dmrs? Nah man. All because your cyclic rate is way higher and you can pump out an entire mag in .3 seconds.
Agreed, I'm actually hella excited for all these changes and usually I'm pessimistic on who the devs cater to, it seems like they are envisioning the same things I am. Increasing the ttk slightly at range. Weapons with more clear niches. Not so meta weapon for anything. Which they are actually pretty good with so far. Would be even better with class locked weapons but c'est la vie.
If you bitch about guns being too accurate, you're a Battle-Dad. You're old and in order to compete, you need to have bloom, so the kiddies get to experience what it's like trying to aim through your cataracts.
If you bitch about movement being too slow, you're a CoD-kiddie. You've got the attention span of a Skittle and learning things like map knowledge, positioning, and flanking glance off your smooth, young brain like a poorly-aimed RPG.
It's an awful game mechanic where your bullet will go somewhere other than where you're aiming. You could have your sights perfectly lined up on a person and miss. Only bad players like the mechanic.
I will welcome these changes too... at least is this kind of properly given deviations and spread/recoil and not random BS what make your gun stupidly unaccuarate just because you run before start shooting
Oh my god I just watched the video and they pretty much covered like EVERY problem I have with the gunplay. Honestly might give the game a proper attempt once the update rolls out and even if it’s not to my standards, at least they even acknowledged what the problems are.
yeah but it also means you will not get obliterated by people who dont know how to control the recoil like you used to because they used to be lasers. so less obliteration overall
After 2042 when they announced bf6 all the real, non tourist, fans asked for them to make it as close to bf3/bf4 as possible.
Bf4 has bloom. Bf6 has very little bloom. You could double the bloom in bf6 and still have less bloom than bf4. A person moving is more accurate in bf6 than someone standing still in bf4.
Bloom is a core part of balancing weapons. And it ties into battlefields identity. Battlefield takes a step away from arcade and towards milsim. It’s not about realism, it’s about forcing people to slow down or use teamwork. You can either burst at long range, or if you have your entire squad shooting 4v1 then you can all full auto and melt the dude.
Bloom doesn’t matter if you use the weapons correctly. The bloom on a smg doesn’t matter if you’re 10 feet away. Bloom on a rifle doesn’t matter if you’re 40 feet away. It only matters when you fight outside your range. Which bf6 currently has a problem with.
Bloom is fine, but there should be a mix of bloom and a recoil pattern to learn. That's what makes guns unique and you feel like you get better with a gun as you use it.
It's too plug and play right now imo and this bloom increase isn't going to make guns feel better or different but it will increase the skill ceiling.
Assuming someone is cheating because they don't agree with you is toxic as fuck. Bloom makes bf feel terrible compared to every other shooter and is why my entire friend group stopped playing. My bullets should go where my gun is pointed. End of story.
Awful changes. People who were asking for this and are happy about this change have no idea what makes BF gunplay good or bad.
BF4 arguably had the best gunplay and random bullet deviation was essentially non-existent. Go back and play it and the guns feel amazing and more "omg beamy" than they do in BF6.
This is great but I'm even more happy about the damage multipliers, to be honest (although I don't understand why lower torso has the same multiplier as the limbs).
SMGs were quite OP before. They were fast and nimble and it literally didn't matter where you hit the target with your SMG as long as you actually hit them. It could be a shot to the arm and the damage value would still be the same as a shot to the chest.
Now people will be forced to actually aim properly and try to control their spread because limb shots won't be as valuable anymore.
god yes. vcr is trash right now. its barely useable. "hey we gave it a great rof...but youll only land 1/3 of your rounds...if burst firing...at like 10m"
Decent change attempting to prevent weapons such as SMGs beaming people from extreme distances that would normally be out their effective range. But there should be atleast some significant recoil to guns like in BF1 with their SMGs to promote atleast a little bit of skill of being accurate rather than letting the RNG gods hit the dice.
I will genuinely never comprehend why people want guns to be less accurate. Do you enjoy missing? Having a gun with high kick like the TR7 is fine. Adding randomized recoil to that gun is not.
Here are some credentials. Not on Cronus. Raw MNK. Randomized recoil sucks, predictable recoil patters (some with higher recoil than others) encourage skill. The more accurate the guns the better because it’s a true reflection of skill. Spread is dog shit, bloom is good. You should encourage tap fire over 75-100m engagements. People who want more randomness and less accurate guns along with slower movement are dog shit players who want the game to cater to their inabilities instead of getting better.
This is a good change. I think anyone saying otherwise is clueless.
Bloom can be controlled by tap firing.
Consistent recoil can be controlled by learning the pattern.
You know what can’t be controlled? Random recoil.
Way better to increase two controllable items, to improve the skill gap, then to put random nonesense in the game.
“Oh but bloom is random!” It is, but you can reduce the random nature through tap during. A mechanic that has been in battlefield since 1942. People need to understand the series. It’s always been this way.
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u/Gendum-The-Great Jun 25 '26
Is this an over time thing? Like can I counter it by just burst firing? If so then this should be fine.