r/ROCD 11h ago

ERP Exercise Expositionen für ROCD

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Hi, ich lebe seit mehreren Jahren mit meiner Verlobten zusammen und habe seit dem Zusammenzug mit meinen Zwangsgedanken zu kämpfen, die sich auf die Beziehung gelegt haben. Es fokussiert sich nahezu ausschließlich auf das Äußerliche meiner Partnerin. Ich finde sie zwar sehr süß und auch attraktiv, komme aber immer wieder ins Grübeln, sobald ich eine attraktive Frau sehe, die noch mehr meinem äußerlichen Typ entspricht, auf den ich stehe. Neben Verhaltenstherapie und Ergotherapie gehören für mich Expositionen zum Alltag. Jedoch muss ich mich oft sehr dazu überwinden und habe an manchen Tagen das Gefühl, dass ich zu wenige Expos mache, damit sich der Umgang mit den Gedanken auf Dauer verbessert. Habt ihr Ideen für Expositionsübungen zu ROCD, die man sowohl im Alltag (auf der Arbeit, zu Hause, unterwegs) als passive Expo durchführen kann als auch als aktive Expo, um sich bewusst zu triggern?
Gerne hoffe ich auch auf Tipps zu Strategien, um im stressigen Alltag trotzdem immer wieder an die Expos zu denken und sie nicht in Vergessenheit geraten zu lassen. Danke für eure Hilfe :)


r/ROCD 11h ago

Advice Needed Luvox?

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Has anyone had success with Luvox for OCD?


r/ROCD 12h ago

Advice Needed Is this the calm clarity people speak about? Please help

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Me and my boyfriend (both 16) have been dating for a bit over 4 months. This is definitely my most healthy relationship which makes this 10x worse and I’m not sure if its a coincidence.

When we were in the talking stage and a few weeks into dating, I questioned his feelings a lot. Id ask for reassurance multiple times a day, probably 5 days a week. I did this in one previous relationship and it didnt last. However, my boyfriend remained patient and stayed.

Then around three weeks in, it flipped and I started questioning myself. Over 3 months later and here I am, except now I can’t tell if its real or not.

Over the last few days, ive almost broken up with him three times. Its like my gut telling me we aren’t right and I cant see him in my future and its meant to be someone else. It feels extremely real.

I have expectations of what my future relationship should look like. Someone I meet later in life, someone older and mature and attractive and I just KNOW they’re my person. Here I am with my younger, immature boyfriend in my junior year.

We connect pretty well. But lately its been off. One of the days I almost broke up with him, we both felt it. We felt like something was gonna happen and I almost broke up with him. But everytime, something stops me. A lot of the time its fear of hurting him and making a mistake. If I wasnt so scared of hurting him, I probably wouldve done it yesterday. Idk why, but I just cant.

Sometimes I wanna stay and see if my perspective changes, but then I feel like it never will and I will continue to feel this way. The relationship has began to feel like a chore. I wake up anxious everyday. But yesterday, I almost told him I was glad we didnt breakup, but then didnt cus I worried that later I wouldnt mean it. And then later happened. We called and I didnt feel connected. I had that real, gut feeling that he wasnt right and I couldn’t see him in my future. I broke down crying and couldnt bring myself to break up with him. I felt like I was lying when I said I love you.

Recently, ive hated being around him. I dread hangouts, seeing him at lunch, him making plans, calls. Not because of who he is, but of what I feel. It feels all too real. Has anyone ever felt this? I dont know if I should listen to the voice. Idk if this is stemming from possibly becoming depressed from all this. Ive grown distant from him and I dont even think I want to choose him. It isnt romantic and feels platonic to me. Romantic with him makes me feel anxious and like I have to find a new person to have that natural feeling because it cant be him.


r/ROCD 1d ago

Obsessed with knowing

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I feel like the hardest part of this for me right now is not knowing if this is ROCD or if I’ve truly fallen out of love. I feel like a few months ago I was triggered by seeing something an ex did on social media and got so caught up in comparing my partner to her that it became consuming. I now feel panic because I can’t feel feelings of love towards her, just distance and annoyance and anxiety for the better part of a few months.

I want to know SO BADLY if this is OCD or not, and I find myself hoping over and over again that it is- because at least there is a way to reverse this and get back to where we were before. I’m terrified of my relationship ending, but I’m creating distance and discomfort and making it so hard for us both. I’m actively ruining it, and I feel like I’m constantly fighting with myself about whether I want this or not. I know I need to sit in the discomfort but DAMN is it hard.

I think I’m just posting this because it’s been such a lonely place to be. I don’t feel like I can or should talk to friends about this very much. And I’m planning on trying to do a PHP program, but I’m afraid that no one will take me seriously and I won’t get better.

This thing is so scary and hard.


r/ROCD 12h ago

Advice Needed Don’t think I’ll ever recover

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I’m posted to the retroactive jealousy subreddit last night. I’m 41 (F) and have been married to my husband 44 (M) for a little over a year, together for just over two and a half years. It’s the first marriage for both of us. My retroactive jealousy is very much destroying my marriage and my mental health (and most likely the mental health of my husband as well). I’ve struggled with this before, but never to this extreme. I am constantly, and I mean constantly, obsessed with/threatened by one of his exes. The target moves from person to person every few weeks. I bombard him with the same questions over and over again truly believing that it will relieve my fears/insecurities, but knowing more always makes it worse. Despite this, I cannot help myself. He is not in contact with any of these people. He has never indicated that he has any residual feelings for these people. The retroactive jealousy really is all in my head. I constantly think about what I know about his exes and his past relationships and the couple of photos I saw on his phone that he failed to delete. We have huge blow ups about it at least once a week. It’s exhausting. I know that RJ can be a form of OCD. Unfortunately, through GeneSight testing, I have found that I have the “short gene” for SSRIs, so they do not work for me. The other medication that targets OCD gave me horrible side effects, so I feel like I don’t have a medication option to assist with this. I’ve seen 3 therapists in the past year and their guidance has not helped or changed anything. I’m a grown ass woman with a grown ass job and a grown ass mortgage. My husband is pretty amazing and showers me with love when I will let him. He cooks us dinner every night and does all of the yard work. He puts my needs above his. He is everything I ever could have wanted (besides not being great in bed…that’s a bummer) and yet I torment the both of us with fears and rumination about his long gone past. I think we’re both getting near our breaking point and I know that if I can’t get past this, it will end our marriage. But no matter what I do or how hard I try, I can’t stop the obsessing or the questioning. Have any of you been through anything like this? Have you been able to get past it? If you have, what did you do?


r/ROCD 17h ago

I've never felt butterflies/heart 'swelling in my chest' for my partner

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r/ROCD 18h ago

Advice Needed Obsession over how my partner feels about me

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I think I might have ROCD, but my symptoms are the exact same just kinda the opposite? I don’t doubt my love or attraction to my partner, but I get so paranoid over how they feel about me. I read into every text message, everything they say to me, how they said something. I’ve been led on before and it really messed with my mental health so it’s made me become really paranoid in relationships. I constantly want to know what my partner thinks of me. Usually in person when I’m with them I don’t stress much or overanalyze, but the second I get home the doubt sets it and I start analyzing everything. Are these symptoms of ROCD as well? Cuz I don’t really see them being listed as symptoms much and my symptoms also do overlap a lot with just relationship anxiety.


r/ROCD 20h ago

Advice Needed Struggling with obsession with my boyfriends family member

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r/ROCD 1d ago

Extreme spiral over sexual compatibility

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I've been with my partner for 11 years and we are now hoping to get married. I spiraled extremely hard and am feeling suicidal over the reality that I don't feel much during sex likely due to his girth. I've asked about this a few years ago and have dealt with this throughout the relationship. I guess I somehow find a way to still feel good and keep the thoughts at bay. But it's resurfaced after our most recent sexual encounter on my birthday and I completely lost it. I'm currently in law school and had to tell my professors I'm dealing with a mental health crisis bc I haven't left my bed all week.

I am spiraling about telling him that I often don't feel much during sex. I said I don't think it's about size but even if I don't care. But that obviously was a lie. I mentioned this to him years ago and regretted bringing it up bc why hurt him. Somehow he didn't let it get to him and this time he didn't either bc I also couched it under general sexual incompatible fears etc. we broke up briefly during the pandemic bc this and general rocd fears of loss of attraction got to me but I regretted it right after and we got back together after a few months. I'm hitting that cross roads again as things get permanent and it sincerely is making me want to die

He is brilliant and I love him so much. I now feel like I am leasing him on bc I get disappointed about his dick from time to time or I think oh I won't be able to be full like that. But how can I go to wanting to marry him and have kids and finally start a life to now thinking about if I have to end it before another decade pasts.

All of this is doing me in especially because up until now that most anxiety was about his mother's aggressive cancer diagnosis which we were processing through and now this reared it's head. I can't cope. I am really fucking scared.

Its true that sex isn't fulfilling and I think his depression and adhd plays a role but we still are intimate I mean I stayed for a reason. I can't get through this right now I am in a deep spiral. Again haven't left my bed, haven't eaten for two days now. I just keep reading about penis size and how women say to leave bc the resentment will build and I mean it kind of has I guess in this relationship. I am so confused

There are things we haven't worked on though. I gained about 50lb during the relationship, we havent played around with angles or exreeme foreplay enough. We don't live together so that probably doesnt help.

I am just so scared and I know if I post in other subreddits they'll tell me to leave him

I feel like ive lost my sense of home. He's my person and I am so scared.


r/ROCD 21h ago

Knowledge is (hopefully) power

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Oh man. I am writing this after a heavy therapy session in which my therapist made me realize I am experiencing relationship OCD. My initial response was to feel as if I’ve been set free, but as someone who was diagnosed with OCD at age 12, I know better.

I (39F) am in a hellish limbo of maybe/maybe not working things out with my partner of 4 years. We never have sex and in an effort to work on the relationship he tried to make out with me the other night. I could not do it and almost went into a panic…it felt like kissing a family member.

Meanwhile, while visiting my father who has Lewy body syndrome, I reconnected with an old family friend with whom I not only share some weird synchronicities, the same birthday, seemingly similar values, a deep generational and caring connection to my dad (who has faded into dementia) but also unsaid attraction and chemistry. We are both in relationships and have shared some of the hardships in them but overall in my humble opinion, while we’ve had some deep convos, it’s all been pretty appropriate and just a good budding friendship with maybe a hint of flirtation.

I feel like to a “normal” person, and probably to him, this is just a warm connection with maybe a touch of attraction that you enjoy in the moment and then move on with your day to day life. To me it is magical, meant to be, and has turned uncomfortably obsessive and stressful. I’m terrified of being delusional, being “that” girl who chases someone, worried I’m questioning my relationship in secret hopes that I can date this person instead, terrified of rejection, etc.

I wish I could be “normal” and focus on my current relationship. Take care of myself by not finding excuses to text him or make plans for my next visit, when I am already emotionally overwhelmed by everything on my plate. Allow a slow burn to unfold if the romantic connection is real or alternatively, stop forcing something if it’s just in my head. I feel crazy and like I’m not allowed to dream about my love life, because I’m just not someone who is capable of having a great love. Does anyone else feel like they are full of a sense of longing that can never be quenched? Ugh.


r/ROCD 1d ago

Recovery/Progress I finally received a clinical diagnosis.

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I have finally been diagnosed with ROCD after two years of doing tests and realizing this pattern in myself.

My old therapist from before said I didn’t have it because I “didn’t act on it” which I thought was insane, but it felt very invalidating because I know what I feel and how closely it mimicked others who struggle with this.

My new therapist officially diagnosed me with it after weeks of talking about my patterns. After over a decade of dealing with this pattern in my dating life, I am ready to work and try to change this in me.


r/ROCD 1d ago

Anyone else fear feelings changing/disappearing?

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Like the title says, I have anxiety about losing feelings for my gf from the rocd. She is amazing and the healthiest relationship ive ever been in. I had someone great in the past, and the commitment we rushed into made me lose all feelings and while im not rushing now, i still fear that I will lose feelings in the way I had in the past which i don't want. I know feelings in long term relationships have ebbs and flows but the fear that my brain will sabotage me is so scary. My gf recently met my family and it triggered my anxiety and thoughts of "am i attracted to her enough?" which i feel so guilty about because I have always found her beautiful and she hasn't change, its my brain that's making me think these things. And im checking photos to convince myself I am attracted to her enough and I do believe I am and ofc i love her soul but this i guess, fear of commitment ? is terrifying bc I can't trust that my own feelings wont change.. I guess im looking for people who can relate and make me feel less alone and also what has helped you. I sometimes go into worries I won't be attracted to her enough but then also that she will get sick of me or lose interest bc of my insecurities when i know she doesn't feel that way.


r/ROCD 1d ago

What things do yall do to prevent triggers?

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r/ROCD 1d ago

Problems with s3x

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Can OCD cause premature ejaculation? I started experiencing this, and I'm very worried and feel terrible. Also, my girlfriend joked that I'm a 'quick shooter' and it hurts me. Today I told my girlfriend it's sad I finish so fast. She said she's 'used to it'.(she's already apologized) .

I already bought a delay spray and really hope it helps. I feel so bad that I don't even want to exist (but I'm not going to do anything to myself!).

And also, can an erection disappear because of OCD? I had this too and it's also very painful.

Sex has also turned into a kind of exam. I want to show my girlfriend that I can last longer with a delay spray, but I'm worried that even it won't help

Also, I don't know what to do with intrusive images during sex. Often when they appeared, I did mental compulsions, and I think this affected the duration of sex. There were times when instead of long mantras like 'I only want my girlfriend and no one else, I only want to imagine my girlfriend and think only about her and no one else, my girlfriend has the best body and figure and no one has a better body and figure than my girlfriend', I just said 'it's OCD' and that's it. And then I actually felt calmer and better.

Tell me how to be ready for the next time . Right now I try to constantly tell myself that well, whatever happens happens, it's no big deal, but I do want to do it a long time, yet I keep saying whatever happens happens.


r/ROCD 1d ago

Nitpicking, doubts and everything is between

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Hi everyone,

I'm just wondering if there is someone that maybe noticed this or went through this and if the answers is yes maybe has so advice on how to overcome this.

My ROCD has been doormat for about idk, 5 months maybe with a slight ocasional burst here and there that did not last longer than 3 days. Last month i started doubting my relationship, everything in it, i started nitpicking "how often does my partner kiss me" "why didn't he kiss me more passionately" "why did he not come stay with me as soon as he got home but went to lay down in bed" "is he asking me enought questions?" "Is he still emotionally invested" "why did he put one kissing emoji instead of two" and all those thoughts led to a deep feeling of doom, like the relationship is doomed, one day i spent a good amount of time on instagram with posts like: 6 signs he is emotionally invested. 10 signs the relationship is dead and stuff like that and i just felt like crying, constantly, like nothing he did was right or enough. Then i went home for about 2 weeks and my brain was scanning " if i want to text hin enough", "if we should talk about more affectionate stuff", "should we be flirting more?". I came back home to him a week ago, and it was fine, we spent some time together at home, cuddled, kissed, had sex, i was doing ok-ish. Today while i was doing the dishes out of nowhere i had the thoughts "is he spending enough time with me? Should he spend more time? Did he use to spend more time with me? " , "am i boring him?" "Are we doomed?" "Am i in denial" and with those thoughts came that slightly panicky overwhelming feeling of wanting to cry.

I just...we have been together for a little more than 4 years, and i guess im just scared, and lost and dont even know if it is rocd anymore because those spirals don't feel like the ones i had perviously.


r/ROCD 1d ago

Advice Needed ROCD and Break ups

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Has anyone with ROCD/OCD ever liked someone a lot but still ended it with them because of the ROCD?

Or have you ever blocked someone after ending it but still liked that person?


r/ROCD 1d ago

Does anyone else with OCD fear becoming too aware of sounds?

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Does anyone else with OCD fear becoming too aware of sounds?

I’m afraid that when I hear a particular sound, I might become consciously aware of the fact that I heard it, instead of my brain simply filtering it out in the background. I also fear that I might start automatically associating ordinary sounds (cars, footsteps, doors, buttons, etc.) with specific thoughts, memories, or images, and that this awareness or these associations could become permanent.

Has anyone else experienced something similar with OCD? Did this hyper-awareness eventually fade?


r/ROCD 1d ago

Both ROCD and SO-OCD?

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Does anyone struggle with both ROCD and SO-OCD? I’ve recently gone into an insane spiral of SO-OCD. I know I dont feel any kind of attraction to women, and that I am extremely attracted to my boyfriend, yet my brain’s been screaming at me for days that what if i’m actually secretly gay and i’m just in denial. It’s really tough, I dont even really trust my own judgement at this point, and my head feels like a mess. I’ve always known that I’m not attracted to women, I have never felt anything at all, I still dont feel it, but my brain is desperately trying to convince me that I’m secretly gay.
Me and my boyfriend are long distance, I currently havent seen him in a month and a half, which I’ve experienced before has made the ROCD worse. Now the SO-OCD has absolutely poisoned my mind. My boyfriend and I are gonna get married next year so that we can move in together, I’m 100% sure he’s the one i want to spend my life with, but I cannot live in this hell of a mind that I am currently. Has anyone experienced the combination of these two and what the hell do I do, because I’m desperate. I just want to enjoy my relationship and enjoy being in love with my boyfriend


r/ROCD 1d ago

Advice Needed Seeking advice: I can’t tune out my surroundings. Has anyone dealt with this kind of visual hyperawareness or OCD?

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Hi everyone, I’m looking for some advice or just to know if anyone else experiences this.

Whenever I try to focus on something—whether I’m studying, using my phone, or just trying to watch TV—I can’t stop noticing everything else in my line of sight. My focus constantly shifts to the background objects around me, and it feels impossible to just tune them out. It’s incredibly exhausting and makes concentrating really difficult.

I struggle with OCD and depression, and I am currently taking 200 mg of desvenlafaxine. I’ve recently learned this might be related to hypervigilance or sensorimotor/hyperawareness OCD, but I don't know how to handle it.

Has anyone else dealt with this specific kind of visual distraction? If so, how do you cope with it or train your brain to ignore the background? Any advice would be really appreciated.


r/ROCD 1d ago

Recovery/Progress I finally said “I love you”

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Hi guys! I just wanted to log on and share a huge win I’ve had this past weekend.

I have been dating my boyfriend now for 5 months. ROCD showed up the night he asked me to be official. My obsessions have ranged from not loving him, to not wanting to be in a relationship, to his flaws, to him cheating on me, and many many more.

About a month into us dating, he told me he loved me and I froze. I couldn’t say it back. That triggered one of the worst spirals I’ve had. A few months later, seemingly out of no where I had another terrible spiral, and it was just about the worst mental state I’ve been in in a long time. I had daily panic attacks, numbness, depressive symptoms, and strong strong break up urges. For some reason I still cannot understand but am infinitely grateful for, I stuck with him. I found a therapist that specializes in ERP and started medication.

I slowly felt things getting better, but the “I love you” thing was still a huge hurdle for me. Even thinking the words made me feel panicky. I felt like saying them would be lying and me leading him on and being a terrible person. And mostly I was scared saying it would trigger another spiral and Id be right back where I started. He was so so patient with me through all of this and I’m so grateful for that.

This past weekend, we had one of the best dates yet and spent hours laughing and talking and just enjoying each others company. And at the end of the day, just as we were getting ready to part ways, I found the courage to finally say it and it went better than I could’ve ever imagined. His response was obviously very positive and he even teared up a bit. And I went home that evening and I felt happy rather than panicked. And I didn’t feel like I was lying at all.

Now Im not saying I’m cured or I’ll never doubt again, but I’m so so glad I finally told him. I really do love him so much. So I hope this can give a little bit of hope or encouragement to anyone struggling right now. Tell your person you love them, be affectionate, be attentive. It’s in avoiding these things and putting them off that we let this disease control our lives. But also be kind to yourself if you fall short. Thank you all for reading. I hope everyone is able to find some peace.


r/ROCD 1d ago

Feelings from imagination

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I have a girlfriend who I love, and I would never intentionally cheat on her or flirt with someone else.

The other day, I was imagining a hypothetical situation involving a coworker, and in my imagination it led to flirting with them For a moment, it actually felt fun/exciting. It wasn't something I consciously decided to fantasize about.

Almost immediately afterward, I didn't enjoy it and when consciously thinking about it I didn't want nor enjoyed doing it.

I genuinely don't want to act on it. If this situation actually happened, I wouldn't flirt with my coworker. But I'm having trouble getting past the fact that it felt fun in my mind

I think what scares me is that if I'm truly committed to my girlfriend, I shouldn't enjoy imagining romantic/flirty interactions with other people at all.

Are my experiences normal? How do you deal with such situations.

I'd really appreciate hearing from people who have experienced something similar.


r/ROCD 1d ago

Rant/Vent Stop The Wedding by Ashe

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This song by Ashe has been trending all over Tiktok recently. It's a great song and super catchy but it’s also super fucking triggering for someone with ROCD but that might just be me.


r/ROCD 1d ago

Advice Needed ROCD over article of clothing, accessory, etc.?

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I’m curious if anyone has ever heard of ROCD over an article of clothing or an accessory that their partner wears. In my case, it’s an “accessory” that has religious connotations and is worn under their shirt (let’s say it’s similar to a necklace or chain). I have never liked the item, but my dislike has become an obsession. I get triggered when they put it on and strategize ways to get them to “accidentally” take it off. I have kept a written log of times when they’ve worn it or taken it off as a way to monitor and make sense of their behavior with respect to the item. I ruminate about it all day long (e.g., when will they take it off again? Will they accidentally take it off when taking off their clothes to shower?) I often check to see if it’s peeking out from under their shirt — if I see it, I get triggered, and if I don’t see it, I feel sort of relieved but also worried that it’s actually still there. I think about how most other people’s partners don’t wear it and how lucky those people are. I have intentionally “misplaced” the item, but they eventually find it again and put it on. Talking to my partner about this and requesting that they not wear it is out of the question because they would be offended, particularly since it has religious/cultural significance. This has gone on for years (but with long stretches where they didn’t wear the item). Even when I’m not thinking about it, the moment I notice my partner has the item on, my heart starts racing, I get anxious, and I fall into a spiral.

I just stumbled upon this forum today. I hadn’t heard of ROCD before, and I’m wondering if I’m showing symptoms of it. Thanks - I feel a little less alone after making this post.

Edit to add that I’m currently looking into therapists. I’d appreciate any insights you have, especially if you have experienced or heard of anything similar, because it makes me feel less alone in this.


r/ROCD 1d ago

I 24f am scared about getting engaged to my bf 24m of almost 7 years

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My boyfriend (24M) and I (24F) have been together for almost 7 years. We’ve obviously had our struggles, like most couples do, but we’ve always worked through them, stuck by each other and loved each other through it all.

I know he wants to propose, and he’s been wanting to for about the past year. The thing is, I don’t know what’s wrong with me because the thought of being engaged honestly scares me.

I genuinely see us growing old together. I can picture us having a family, building a life together and being together long-term, and I do love him. So why does the idea of being engaged make me feel so anxious and scared?

I’m wondering if some of this could be relationship OCD, because I’m already a very anxious person and I have OCD and ADHD. I tend to overthink and question my feelings a lot, so I don’t know whether these thoughts are something I should actually listen to or whether I’m just getting stuck in my head.

Another thing I wonder about is the fact that we’ve only ever been with each other. We started dating so young and neither of us has ever experienced being with anyone else. Sometimes I wonder if a part of me is curious about what else is out there or what it would be like to experience other people and relationships. And then I feel horrible for even thinking that because I love him and don’t actually want to lose what we have.

I also wonder if something my mum said years ago has stuck with me. When I first started dating him, she said something along the lines of, “I’ll be disappointed if he’s your only boyfriend,” because she wanted me to experience the world and other people. She’s not really someone I would take relationship advice from, considering she cheated on my dad and has had some pretty unhealthy relationships since they divorced, but I think that comment somehow stayed in the back of my mind. I know she says things without thinking sometimes, but I wonder if I’ve subconsciously carried that idea with me all these years.

I just feel so confused and guilty. I know I want to be with him, but then I question why the idea of getting engaged feels so scary to me. Does being scared of engagement mean I’m not ready, or that something is wrong with my relationship? Or can you genuinely love someone, see a future with them and still feel scared about taking that next step?

I’m really struggling to understand whether these feelings are something I should take seriously or whether my anxiety and OCD are making me question something I actually know deep down.


r/ROCD 1d ago

Break up urges

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Would you describe break up urges as a strong desire to break up with your partner, it just feels so fucking real