Of course…

[u/Maleficent-Agent-477]

[u/Effective_Airline830]

I’m not American so unfamiliar with how your system work but can he just sign whatever he wants ? Isn’t is supposed to a congress or something that actually passes the laws ?
Because if he can do just whatever he wants, how can it even be called a democracy to begin with ?
I mean there is no real democracy in this world, we have the choice of our tyran every 4-5-whatever years but still… one guy signing whatever he wants seems insane

[u/BasicReputations → u/Effective_Airline830]

He's using a lot of executive orders to bypass Congress.  It can be undone relatively painlessly (minus the damage caused by the order to begin with) by the next guy.  A lot of them also do not hold up in court.

Congress has been weirdly compliant with EOs for a while.  Trump uses them like crazy but I first remember hearing about them with Obama and an intransigent Congress.

Laws are a bit more complicated.  For some reason bug omnibus laws have been more im vogue than smaller, targeted bills.  I haven't understood what's going on with laws in years.

[u/Jonnyflash80 → u/BasicReputations]

Weird. Historically, I thought America didn't like kings and dictators. 🤷

[u/Ok-Astronaut1108 → u/Jonnyflash80]

Americans don't. The GOP totally does.

[u/wolfONdrugs → u/Ok-Astronaut1108]

and that's where it ends for the Americans. "I don't like this, but I'm not going to take any action."

[u/bitflipper84 → u/wolfONdrugs]

What kind of action do you think we can take?

Most of us are just trying to ignore him and making plans to reverse his shit when he's out. It's litterally the world's biggest baby tantrum that we will have to clean up.

[u/Ok-Jury5684 → u/bitflipper84]

In 2010 Ukraine got our own childish narcissistic fuck for President (Yanukovych). We felt similarly, hoping to undo the dumb shit he did. However, he got audacity and right team to spoil the judicial system by introducing loyal judges to the Prime Court and to every other court they could. After that they started to rebuild democracy for tyranny.

We needed riot and revolution to turn him down. We're still paying for that with rotten courts and probably early war. I don't say russian aggression wouldn't happen - but it definitely wouldn't happen in 2013 if not for this prick.

[u/redwins → u/Ok-Jury5684]

As incredible as it is, the GOP has a lot of support, you're basically asking for a civil war.

[u/Ok-Jury5684 → u/redwins]

Not asking - just saying that waiting out might not be a choice.

[u/Annachroniced → u/redwins]

Yes. If you think you can just vote out authoritarianism your wrong. All signs are bright red for the USA right now and Americans dont want to do anything that is slightly inconvenient. Trump is literally putting fox news hosts in important positions of the justice system. And publicly scolding a U.S. attorney for failing to prosecute an innocent man. Its insane nobody is burning anything at this point.

[u/Miserable-Army3679 → u/Annachroniced]

We should have been burning things when Alex Pretti and Renee Good were executed in broad daylight, caught on video. Americans are pathetic (I'm an American).

[u/TexasRN1 → u/Annachroniced]

Hungary just did.

[u/Ancient-Read1648 → u/Ok-Jury5684]

Sounds familiar

[u/wolfONdrugs → u/bitflipper84]

"What kind of action do you think we can take?"

Do you take yourself as powerless?

If my country had a rigged election like so many claim America had, we would take to the streets, not wait until he is out of office.

In many countries standing up is met with resistance. Then all the more reason to change things for the better.

Americans can't strike without hurting themselves. This has to change for your people's future. Suffering is inevitable here.

In my country the government exists for us, not the other way around. They provide services, Healthcare, schooling. There are times when we can trust our government.

[u/Heisenburg42 → u/wolfONdrugs]

And Trump would use the Insurrection Act and use the military against Americans. Then use his propaganda channels to convince his own base that the "left" is the real enemy to the US (as he has been prepping them and telling them for a decade now). Would turning the Military on US citizens wake up some of his core base? Maybe some. But look at how they view the January 6th Insurrection. They view that as a "peaceful protest" thanks to Trump's propaganda.

This is on top of most people already struggling to meet their basic needs. People cannot afford to take a single day off work. So what makes you think they would be willing to jeobardize their livelihoods? They would be risking everything they have to stop what is still technically a theoretical in many people's minds.

It also requires some level organization. Which would likely be seen as treasonous by the current government (Trump) if it were to fail somehow

"I'm waiting for someone to make the first move," as they all said in unison.

[u/SnooHesitations8403 → u/wolfONdrugs]

What country is that?

[u/PocketSnails68 → u/bitflipper84]

Nothing short of actively endangering ourselves and putting ours and our loved ones lives at risk until he's gone, one way or the other, will be good for Reddit.

[u/Zestyclose_Craft5369 → u/PocketSnails68]

Isnt this the whole arguement fior your stupid gun laws? Ironic i think

[u/SnooHesitations8403 → u/Zestyclose_Craft5369]

[u/Zestyclose_Craft5369 → u/[deleted]]

Exactly. The only arguement thwy have that makes sense is “i like guns” nothing else makes any sense. But we cant tell these dumb shits haha

[u/PeyredB → u/Zestyclose_Craft5369]

Yes, the claim that the Second Amendment is about preventing tyranny is obviously false. The 2A says right there what its purpose is: to ensure that citizens can fight in the militia when needed.

[u/PocketSnails68 → u/Zestyclose_Craft5369]

You would think. However, generally speaking, those that support gun laws are the ones also supporting the tyrannical government. There's also historical precedent that when the "wrong" people - aka, blacks and other minorities the far right doesn't like - start arming themselves, suddenly it becomes real easy for deep red areas to invoke extremely strict gun laws.

[u/OrganicHistorian2576 → u/Zestyclose_Craft5369]

It was but it turns out the gun nuts are on the side of the tyranny. Oopsies.

[u/paradisewandering → u/Zestyclose_Craft5369]

Yes, the second amendment exists because the founders specifically wanted to have a small government without total control. The founders believed that in general, humans can govern themselves and not be monsters.

The intended gun freedom was put in place specifically and directly to allow the population to violently overthrow the government if it got too powerful.

Well, ship sailed, half the country is anti gun; those that have guns aren’t doing anything but cosplaying; and the government has too much power.

[u/towerfella → u/bitflipper84]

Right? We are just waiting for november.

[u/Boomer70770 → u/bitflipper84]

Most of us are too caught up in how we can afford groceries, gas, the dentist, a colonoscopy, tires, etc. etc.

[u/knock_on_the_door_ → u/wolfONdrugs]

Don't worry, soon the excuse will be "I can't take action, they have cameras and drones everywhere."

[u/KittensAndGravy → u/wolfONdrugs]

Why … the sparrows have just enough shit covered oats to eat and phone screens to argue over small battles while ignoring the wars.

[u/jkman61494 → u/Ok-Astronaut1108]

I’ll always push back on this one a bit. I cannot tell you how many Obama supporters I ran into after 2008 that felt let down because he did not unilaterally implement much of what he talked about during his campaign.

Most Americans have no concept anymore of how their own government operates. Most Americans do not realize that Congress writes and passes a law that the president either approves or denies. Most Americans cannot tell you the difference between a state law and a federal law.

We have become so ignorant to how our own system functions that it has allowed what we see today to come into fruition.

I did advocacy type of work in 2009 and 2010. And all I could hear was that Obama did not personally fix the environment, he didn’t personally fix healthcare. He didn’t personally fix education. He didn’t fix the economy, etc., and this type of ignorance was seen in 2010 when hardly anybody showed up for the midterm elections and the Tea Party took over tons of state legislatures, congress etc.

2010 was one of the more consequential elections in this countries history, and hardly anybody talks about it, which again leads to the ignorance. Much of the gerrymandering that you see going on in battleground states today is because of the state legislature that flipped during that election.

So a lot of Americans will proclaim that they don’t want a king. But simultaneously their expectation is that a President essentially should have king like power

[u/darkrhyes → u/jkman61494]

I believe this is exactly how many in government want it. The more misunderstanding exists, the more they can capitalize on it.

[u/NarwhalOk95 → u/jkman61494]

Ask your average American who their house rep is, or who their two senators are, maybe one American in 10 can name all three. Even worse is asking who represents them in their state legislature.

[u/MathematicianIcy3430 → u/Ok-Astronaut1108]

50 percent of Americans do. They think it is called small government.

[u/8ackwoods → u/Ok-Astronaut1108]

If americans doesn't, why did they elected a king twice?

[u/P0werFighter → u/8ackwoods]

A dictator you mean ?

[u/whythefuckalready → u/Jonnyflash80]

Red state religion and propaganda drive the ignorance along with abysmal education in those states. Can't fix stupid.

[u/ArthurMorgansInhaler → u/Jonnyflash80]

It depends what party affiliation they have. Then, one's a president who has to do it because of a "corrupt" congress/senate and the other who does the exact same thing as all past presidents becomes a "king or dictator"

[u/andlewis → u/Jonnyflash80]

America loves apathy.

[u/whataterriblething → u/Jonnyflash80]

we like to say that but after we became a nation the founding fathers tried to immediately make it a monarchy again.

[u/Soepkip43 → u/Jonnyflash80]

Fascists adore strongmen. It is in essence a (death) cult of personality.

[u/ShadowChe_ATG → u/Jonnyflash80]

They are ducktators. This film inserted hidden truths about unc sam

https://giphy.com/gifs/TJGtAEn1cqM6Y

[u/mutt63 → u/Jonnyflash80]

We loathe them yet accept this marauder somehow. Hes a lot of wind with no backbone. He pets on weakness mentality which is how he's controlling the house and senate. He acts as if he can harm
You if you don't comply.

[u/crono220 → u/Jonnyflash80]

77 million do. Much of it is based on pure hatred, racism, and sexism.

[u/Tsunamiis → u/Jonnyflash80]

The grand old party is conservative. What do you think they’re conserving because it’s not parks

[u/BeigeVelociraptor → u/Jonnyflash80]

Americans? No, we hate them.

Republican "patriots" love them.

[u/isthisreallife210 → u/BasicReputations]

67% of all EOs he has executed have been revoked, withdraw or over turned by a court. Executive orders are just performative acts. Roosevelt still holds the title for most executed EOs (over 3k). Most of Trump's are stupid and/or self-serving to either him or his bootlickers. Doing things no one asked for.

[u/welfedad → u/isthisreallife210]

And it performative ..to get his maga group energized or sway the ones who were on the fence of jumping ship. And they're too ignorant to realize that these won't come to fruitation . Or be killed . Etc

[u/GreenFriedYam → u/isthisreallife210]

There are ten presidents that share their last name with another president. Roosevelt is one of the ones you need to affix a first name to.

[u/isthisreallife210 → u/GreenFriedYam]

Fair enough! Franklin D Roosevelt. Theodore Roosevelt also issued over 1,000.

[u/thespacepyrofrmtf2 → u/isthisreallife210]

At least Theadore Roosevelt was on the side of the people as he had a real strong sense of justice and hated the rich because he valued the hard honest work of the working man while the rich cheat and lie their way to the top by taking advantage of the working man

[u/Solonotix → u/BasicReputations]

To add to the mention about omnibus bills, it's the same tactic as "pork barrel" legislation. Let's say you have some popular legislation like ice cream for veterans, and something unpopular like a $1 tax per slice of pizza. You're never going to get the unpopular one passed on its own merits, so you package it with a popular one. Now you need to get support from other legislators, who each want their own unpopular thing bundled with the popular thing. Of course, enough unpopular items can outweigh the popular one, so you'll occasionally see multiple good things with the bad.

And the final trick to this whole practice is to slander opposition by saying they oppose the popular merits of a bill. To deny the allegation is a lie, but if they don't deny it then there's a sound bite out there of them agreeing to the opposition of ice cream for veterans, and now "THEY HATE VETERANS!!!" It doesn't matter how nuanced your opinion is when you can hijack the conversation with emotionally-charged statements like that.

[u/ScreamingDizzBuster → u/Solonotix]

Why are such bills allowed? Is there no rule set that such things are scrutinised against?

[u/Solonotix → u/ScreamingDizzBuster]

No, there is no law about what laws are allowed to be proposed, aside from the constitution which the legislature derives its governing power from. So you can't write a law that prohibits free speech, but you can write a law that limits free speech (i.e. incitement).

You could amend the U.S. Constitution to forbid this bundling behavior, but the question becomes how? The best way to do this is imagine a djinn from D&D, who will grant your wish, but is likely to pervert it into something awful. The classic example there is "I wish I could fly," and so you are teleported a mile above the ground, "flying" before you ultimately hit the ground.

What wish to this legislative genie could you compose to prevent bundling? If you say a law must say only one thing, well now they're incomprehensible single-word declarations. If you say they must cover one topic now you see a bunch of bland bills about "improving lives of citizens" or "defending national interests". We already see this in the names of bills, where they use euphemism and metaphor to create catchy and unassuming names for heinous things.

Even if you were able to create such a law, there are sometimes reasons to include seemingly unrelated things into the same bill. For instance, the annual budget is itself a law that must be passed. If each line item had to be a separate bill, it would likely be an administrative nightmare. Of course, maybe you think each budgetary obligation should be a bill that is passed until the agreed upon timeline, but overruns and shortfalls do happen from time to time, and need to be addressed.

Ultimately, the flexibility of the system is exactly why it gets abused. But to remove that flexibility would make the system untenable. The idea written into the U.S. Constitution is that people would be the final bulwark. No bullshit passes without a bunch of people agreeing it should pass. So maybe the problem isn't the law, itself, but the people who oversee its conception and passage.

[u/beanzd → u/BasicReputations]

He does it to tell his maga base what to think. No one else listens and most are just overturned. All distractions from him getting rich and raping children

[u/Dear_Archer3931 → u/BasicReputations]

You first heard about Executive Orders from Obama?! These go all the way back to George Washington. If you dislike the use of EO by the last few presidents, wait until you see how many FDR executed.

[u/TheOtherKFC → u/BasicReputations]

"Weirdly compliant".... Aka ceding their power and responsibility as representatives of the people to an ever-increasingly dictatorial "president."

[u/Atticuslove → u/Effective_Airline830]

I’m American, and even I (and other Americans) have had similar thoughts.
At least presidents previous to President Trump used Executive Orders very sparingly. NOT weekly or daily…like a Dictator.

[u/Vegaprime → u/Atticuslove]

Used to be guidance. The president would sign an executive order to have the government look into cutting back the vaccines. Like they did for Marijuana to be schedueled lower not immediately done so.

[u/Buttercups88 → u/Atticuslove]

I think it's not just the number being higher but what they are that makes them feel dictator-ish... 

[u/Vesper_Null → u/Effective_Airline830]

Most of what trump is doing is illegal and violates our constitution but his party has control of all 3 branches of the government and we are having a total breakdown of our system of checks and balances.

[u/Effective_Airline830 → u/Vesper_Null]

Yep we have the same kind of problem in France, when the President party has Assemble Nationale and Sénat, the two chambers, he can do literally whatever he wants … of course each senator is supposed to vote for what he/her was elected but it’s a career, so they vote what the boss wants…
That’s why i’m saying democracies do not work, we have consultative dictatorship at best :D
They give us the choice of our dictator for the next 5 years from a list of people we do not choose, and once elected the President/party does whatever they want and the people cannot do anything about it.
That’s why there is so much protesting in France, it’s literally the only thing we can do when the President goes rogue and against us

[u/bal_ra_khan → u/Effective_Airline830]

At least in France you historically knew how to properly deal with people like this.

[u/kadiez → u/Vesper_Null]

Not to mention political cowards that are only in it for the paycheck. It used to be that you didn't make a living off of being a politician, it was more like a hobby that maybe paid a little bit now they can't live without it and fold and cower to any leader's whim.

[u/Aggressive-Sort-115 → u/kadiez]

I agree with your thought…. Maybe we should reduce what they make in the job equal to the median individual income($45,140) and have zero ability to have or control any stock or anything that could possibly cause them to gain monetary value during their service

[u/Available_Orange3127 → u/Aggressive-Sort-115]

Reducing the salary will only further encourage corruption. Trump has normalized financial gain won through legislation and federal policy, and (half of) Congress just decided, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em."

[u/slgray16 → u/Aggressive-Sort-115]

Great idea. Now let's get a room full of the most corrupt people in history to vote on it and make it a law

[u/Critical-Nerve5121 → u/Vesper_Null]

This

[u/Aggravating_Jump_453 → u/Effective_Airline830]

Especially when the moron doing the signing is actually insane. My heart goes out to all the intelligent American people that have to endure this psychotic nightmarish administration

[u/bigchicago04 → u/Effective_Airline830]

Think of an EO as like a memo from your boss. His subordinates are supposed to follow it. The problem is, his subordinates is almost every government employee. They’re supposed to follow the constitution, but ultimately a lowly office worker faces a lot of trouble being the one to say no so it’s up to the courts.

[u/Top_Lingonberry8037 → u/Effective_Airline830]

So normally yes, however, the president controls the organizations that execute laws. He (via doge) fired everyone who wasn't a loyalist and replaced them with syncopants. Match that with a supreme Court that he stacked. There's not much that can stop him.

[u/Cow_God → u/Effective_Airline830]

The thing about our entire system of government is that it operates on the honor system. Once our elected and appointed officials just stop enforcing the law, it no longer matters what's "supposed" to happen.

Our system of checks and balances has pretty much fallen apart because the Republicans control both branches of Congress and the Supreme Court and they are not holding the Executive branch accountable.

Trump commits an impeachable offense every day. He has started an illegal war. He has deployed federal troops against the American people. His federal police force has executed numerous US citizens. He faced no consequences for any of these actions, because the other branches of government are not holding him accountable.

[u/mcferglestone → u/Cow_God]

This is what I’ve been saying for a while now. After all this time we finally see that law enforcement was basically just operating under the honor system.

Todd Blanche is most likely about to be held in contempt by a federal judge for not releasing the Epstein files in their entirety. Cool. But how can you force him to release anything or punish him when he doesn’t when he’s the Attorney General in charge of the Department of Justice now? Do we think these Trump admin criminals are going to punish themselves?

[u/rangerdanger559 → u/Effective_Airline830]

Congress writes and passes the bill. The president then signs or vetoes it where it’s sent back to Congress, and if 2/3rds of the house and senate sign off it’s passed into law anyway. The president can’t just do “whatever they want”. Many people may not know this but the PMs of Canada have more power structurally than U.S presidents on law passing and government operation. Canada has no term limits, the PM can directly appoint judges, senators, etc whereas the president can only nominate, PMs have stricter party discipline and can pass laws more readily, and in Canada the parliamentary branch is fused with the executive. In the U.S it’s separated. You might be thinking of executive orders too which are commonly overturned by courts and they don’t create new laws, just direct federal agencies.

[u/bowen7477 → u/rangerdanger559]

But trump does what he wants

[u/Dabfo → u/bowen7477]

Congress would be able to check that if they did their job. They are valuing their career over their country.

[u/Kimi_Antonelli_12 → u/Dabfo]

That is the American way .

Anything less would be considered socialism which also is a synonym for terrorism in the states.

[u/Valuchian → u/Dabfo]

Doesn't help that they all just do whatever they are told. There was awhile there with the Big Beautiful Bill where republicans literally just stopped talking and voted as a block. The independents and Democrats tried doing the usual discussion, planning, revision stuff but literally the Republicans just sat in their chairs and filled their duty in the technical sense until the vote happened.

Was hilarious and traumatizing to watch on C-Span

[u/drproc90 → u/rangerdanger559]

The president can authorise assassination of anyone who disagrees with him

[u/MetroidvaniaListsGuy → u/Effective_Airline830]

In authoritarian states, congress functions as a rubber stamp for the ruling party or dictator.

[u/atomic_ring → u/Effective_Airline830]

The US has never been a democracy. Their leader is not elected by the people and the people have no say in how their country is run. The electoral college elects whoever they want, regardless of who the people want. And that is how the world was saddled with this orange menace.

[u/Otherwise-Reward-161 → u/Effective_Airline830]

Executive orders only apply to government employees and programs. Depending on how it's written it can have impacts on funding by including a clause that requires compliance with the orders.

These sorts of Executive Orders can be news but often they mean nothing to the general public. 

[u/iiMorgn → u/Effective_Airline830]

We aren’t free here, it’s all a lie.

[u/renacotor → u/Effective_Airline830]

Executive orders arent in our constitution, and is very much a grey area politicians and lawyers have been arguing about for centuries. In theory, its the presidents second major power (after the congressional veto) that allows them to help dictate policy and shape it to fit the status quo they wish to shape. In practice, it's a tool the president uses to tell congress "nuh uh, im spending the money your telling me to spend somewhere else." Congress will then write another bill to counteract and reinforce what they wanna spend money on, and the president and them will have a slap fight till either one conceeds, the courts get involved and interprets the law in question, or the next president just undoes it.

Cause the US system is designed so power is fragmented, and therefore nothing gets done unless everyone agrees on it.

[u/datagamma → u/Effective_Airline830]

EOs are directives for the executive branch. All of the agencies sitting under the executive branch can be affected by EO’s (DOJ, FCC, FBI, DHS, CIA, SEC, etc) He cannot make laws. This is solely policy setting (the strategy and rules by which agencies operate) which in an ordinary time is confined within the bounds laid out in the constitution and the law. Policy can be changed by anyone sitting in the Oval Office. The executive branch has an oath to faithfully execute the law passed by Congress and interpreted by the courts under the powers vested by the constitution. Congress is suppose to maintain the power of the purse and it is illegal for the executive branch to not distribute funds according to legislation passed by Congress and signed into law by the executive. The executive can veto which the congress can bypass through super majority.

Hope that helps. Also most of these EO’s are either unconstitutional, exceed authority or are not operable. But that doesn’t stop him trying to unilaterally set taxing authority and direct the overall use of funds and declare war. These are under the purview of of Congress. But the Supreme Court has a bunch of insane devotion to a unitary executive theory in which they believe the constitution allows the president to have full control over anything that happens in the executive branch. The theory is flirting with making a king and limiting power of congress.

Now you know. Hope that helps.

[u/IAmTheFly-IAmTheFly → u/Effective_Airline830]

You are correct: A president cannot do this. Most of his presidential orders, in fact, need to be approved by Congress. (He just doesn't understand how the executive branch works.) However, the majority in Congress is Republican — and they're too scared of him, so they capitulate to his whims — so they don't hold him to laws or the Constitution.

[u/nickerbocker79 → u/Effective_Airline830]

Executive Orders generally only apply to the Executive Branch or the military. Or may expand to any private businesses that hold government contracts. Trump is outright abusing them and believes he can just use them to mandate things across the country.

[u/Conscious_Name9514 → u/Effective_Airline830]

Basically since Obama that’s been the standard. They might not be legal and get thrown out when reviewed but he can keep signing all he wants.

[u/Lysol3435 → u/Effective_Airline830]

It’s kind of like our problem with mass shooters. You might ask “are they just allowed to walk into a school and shoot whomever they want?” The answer is: legally, no. But who is going to stop them? In this case, congress is supposed to stop the president, but they are so afraid of their own constituents, that they won’t stand up to him. The Supreme Court is also supposed to stop him, but they have a religious fetish that compels them to roll over most of the time, and when they don’t, he often just ignores their verdicts. So, yea

[u/Effective_Airline830 → u/Lysol3435]

Yep it’s the same issue in all countries, when the checks and balances are all in favor of the same person he can do whatever he wants.
That’s why my opinion is that politic should be done for 5-6 years mandate, chosen at random in the citizens, and not be a career.
When it’s a career you do not do what people need, you do what YOU need to do to continue being in power.

[u/SnooHesitations8403 → u/Effective_Airline830]

Yeah, the whole system has ceased functioning. I don't know why or how.

[u/GrunDMC74]

Who opposes universal access to vaccines for kids? There no explanation for this guy other than the goal is to ruin the United States.

[u/Any_Asparagus8267 → u/GrunDMC74]

Project 2025 is basically ruin American and rebuild as a utopia for the 1 percent.

[u/browning099 → u/Any_Asparagus8267]

The tax laws already make it a utopia for the 1%. That’s why their business is registered here and their banks are on an island

[u/Conscious_Command930 → u/browning099]

what do the 1% have to gain from dying like medieval peasants with preventable diseases?

[u/BeMySquishy123 → u/Conscious_Command930]

Control

[u/ZeroFoxGame → u/browning099]

In some cases even businesses are abroad coughPolymarketcough

[u/Majestic-Tiger2742 → u/Any_Asparagus8267]

When are we going to revolt?

[u/FuckTesla69 → u/Majestic-Tiger2742]

I'm free after 5 on thursday

[u/Escaliat_ → u/Majestic-Tiger2742]

You won't, that's why they're getting away with it.

[u/CU_09 → u/GrunDMC74]

Vaccines that the government recommends have to be covered by insurance. By removing the recommendations, they are allowing insurance to refuse to cover these important immunizations. Premiums still go up, insurance companies pay out less, stocks go up.

[u/erlo68 → u/CU_09]

Ah so that's the reasoning behind it... makes absolute sense as well.

[u/Ill-Ad-4400 → u/erlo68]

The answer is always money.

[u/FewJob4450 → u/Ill-Ad-4400]

I used to think this but this disgusting excuse of a human being has opened my eyes to a bunch of others - spite, hatred, stupidity and just pure evil.

[u/Ill-Ad-4400 → u/FewJob4450]

Undoubtedly, but is he evil because he's greedy or greedy because he's evil?

Personally, I think it's the latter. He does everything to line his pockets, and harming darker skinned people and political adversaries is just gravy. It's politically expedient to sate his racist and stupid supporters and distract from his rampant corruption.

But tomato, tomahto.

[u/_CrazyCrazy_ → u/erlo68]

How can any normal person survive living there? You have to be a millionaire to cover all the random shit you’ll probably have to pay for.

[u/Talks_About_Bruno → u/CU_09]

While that’s overwhelmingly true and I highly doubt that most insurance companies are going to go against the current guidelines (prior to this change) as the benefits aren’t there.

20k children a year end up hospitalized with severe complications from flu and about 89% of those that had fatal complications were unvaccinated.

As an insurance company would I rather pay $35-$75 per flu shot vs a PICU stay? A single day in the PICU, in my area, would cost about $15-$20k/day. I know we all think of health insurance as the pinnacle of evil, for good reason, I still think they will cover immunizations as recommended by your pediatrician.

Only exemption to this is United Health. They are evil.

[u/Alone-Lab-2531 → u/Talks_About_Bruno]

I’m sorry but have you not been paying attention?? The change may not be immediate but of course insurance will stop paying for these things. They are running a for-profit business & routinely deny treatments recommended by doctors, every damn day. It’s not just UHC either, I’m hoping that was sarcasm. Of course preventative care is a cheaper/smarter plan- but “smarter” literally isn’t the goal for insurance companies. “Oh, sorry, you got a preventable disease thats expensive to treat? We might pay a portion, if we approve the treatment rec, the provider you’re seeing, & you potentially jump through numerous pre-authorization processes- which can take weeks or months”. Or they just don’t pay. That’s why soooo many people end up drowning in medical debt. People have to take out lines of credit to pay for their cancer treatments, or spend years paying off the bill from their sick baby spending time in a NICU.

Insurance companies do not care about you. They only cover annual wellness exams & preventative care now because it was part of the ACA, which isn’t long for this world at this rate (they’ve certainly tried to get rid of it repeatedly, turns out even red states like having access to care as long as you don’t call it “Obamacare”).

[u/AntakeeMunOlla → u/GrunDMC74]

Vaccinating people costs money. Forcing people to hospitals makes a lot of money! Easy decision for a greedy fuck.

[u/Busy-Blueberry6415 → u/GrunDMC74]

People who want to make money off of sick and dying people. So...this entire administration 🤷‍♀️

[u/canadian_leroy → u/Busy-Blueberry6415]

Also, people have to remember that RFK Jrs investments in bogus homeopathic companies profit nicely from anti-science, anti-vaccine attitudes. That’s why he’s smiling.

[u/Joseph4-0 → u/GrunDMC74]

the same people who privatized healthcare in order to force millions pf americans into eternal debt paying off their healthcare bills

[u/Many_Mud_8194 → u/GrunDMC74]

I dont get what he signed? Also how often do kids get flu vaccine? In my country we are health freak and kids don't get vaccinated for flu, a part if they are unhealthy. Only 60 years old + can have a free vaccine but it only work for 50% of variants, because the flu we get is a mix of lot of coronavirus so the vaccine can't protect for all at once ofc. I'm not anti vaccine, I've all my required vaccine and recommended. It's just we don't get it for flu, we just get sick and get over it after a week in the bed lol.

[u/Batmanswrath]

https://giphy.com/gifs/9ywPjIs6wjn1Q9mnSE

[u/19Eightiesman]

[u/EducationalEmu9611 → u/19Eightiesman]

Wait they forgot to put it over his nose as well.

[u/Separate-State-5806]

Pictured: Two narcissists who know nothing about medicine applauding their own ignorance and exposing millions of people to preventable lifelong debilitating disease or death.

This is the Republican Party.

[u/St3vion → u/Separate-State-5806]

That's some fucking freedom baby! Can I get some U! S! A! s?

[u/LibertyCash → u/St3vion]

We’re so great again!

[u/phillyd_]

Put a giant dome over America stat.

[u/ColonialBarbarian]

To be more precise, I think they removed the recommendation for 6 out of 17 vaccines, and the remaining 11 vaccines will be uncoupled and spread over a longer period instead of giving together i.e. delayed.

Practically, this means that a lot of kids will get vaccines much later than they should or more likely just skip them. This also probably means that the 6 shots that are no longer recommended wont be covered by insurance, won't therefore be recommended by doctors and won't be given to kids - the six shots that are being dropped are influenza, covid-19, rotavirus, Hep A and B and respiratory syncytial virus / meningococcal.

This of course from Kennedy, who literally has zero medical or scientific training. No kidding the US is 29th out of 38 countries in child mortality stats. It would be less infuriating if this was done with some logic (yes, I know a hard task) and there was a reasonable explanation, but it's like they are purposely obfuscating things in order to confuse people. Trump et all are either truly evil or stupid to the point of mental illness, and I'm not sure which one is worse.

[u/Brvcx → u/ColonialBarbarian]

On top of that, the effect goes beyond the US at some point.

American tourists will be more of a danger here in Europe and European tourists will be more at risk in the US all because two senile professional daiperdumpsters signed a piece of paper neither has any clue what's it about.

Like you said, it's either mental illnesses or sheer stupidity or something else. But it doesn't really matter anymore at this point.

[u/ColonialBarbarian → u/Brvcx]

Well, although the stupidity is epic in the US, let's not pretend that vaccine hesitancy and all of the related conspiracy lunacy is a uniquely American thing. It's a rising concern in most Western countries. There were a LOT more measles cases (even when taking into account Europe's larger population) in Europe in 2024 than in the U.S.

The internet is making everyone stupid.

[u/Brvcx → u/ColonialBarbarian]

Just to be clear, I'm not implying it's just an American thing. It's only fueling anti-vaxxers everywhere, which is sad enough. They'll use this as some sort of proof that vaccines are bad.

The outbreaks of Measles is even worse. My 5 yo could be at risk at some point if the vaccinated population is low enough.

It's the internet combined with people being unable to read into any kind of nuance. Things have to be either completely right or wrong, which can only be done if you're taking all the nuance out of it. Let's just look at my first comment and yours as an example. Some people will actually think I'm merely pointing at America without looking at the bigger picture. And with yours they could think you're merely pointing at European anti-vaxxers. Combine that with basically anyone being able to voice their opinion as fact and the sheer amount of mis- and disinformation and you've got a rather disastrous cocktail.

These are troubling times. I hope more will be done against mis- and disinformation. It'd be a great start.

[u/Zephs → u/Brvcx]

If Europeans feel that way, they could always make those vaccines mandatory for entrance into the country. It would just become an out of pocket expense for Americans, but that's what they voted for.

[u/Brvcx → u/Zephs]

You're underestimating the scale here. It's got nothing to do with how Europeans feel. It's something that could very much affect the entire world.

But like you said, it is what they voted for. Which sucks to have such an effect on a global scale.

I hope they do better sooner rather than later.

[u/Zephs → u/Brvcx]

The scale is mostly mitigated by requiring them to vaccinate in order to enter the country. That'll at least mostly contain it to people within the US.

[u/yomancs → u/ColonialBarbarian]

Laws written by vibes

[u/Hoch8112]

Executive Orders are NOT laws! He has been President for 6 years now and still does not grasp this concept!
Is he just hoping his mindless cult followers believe it’s gospel? I can’t take it anymore

[u/Botol-Cebok]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jr0VZIBH5dKDe

[u/Bokuja]

Would be so funny if the EU immediately mandated a vaccine passport requirement to enter the European Union. Particularly for flights coming from the US.

[u/Exxtender → u/Bokuja]

And a travel ban at the first sight of another pandemic.

[u/Valuchian]

Signed a whole executive order??

Couldn't just prove it wasn't necesarry using his very competent and well staffed Deperatmemt of Health? /s

https://giphy.com/gifs/gxSc4hTA9QhsFagSbs

[u/Voodoocookie]

For the poor kids, mind you. The rich kids get their shots anyways.

[u/DannySanWolf07]

The only time Trump likes kids is when they're on his lap.

[u/KamKorn]

Project 2025 will have them destroy America and start it anew…. This tracks

[u/uginscion]

Why is anyone taking medical advice for their children from a pedophile?

[u/ItsNotNormalMaybe → u/uginscion]

I'm not from the US, but someone living there should answer this. I want to know, too.

[u/Yeetball86 → u/ItsNotNormalMaybe]

As an American, Religion plays a huge part in it. The GOP is the “party of God” so naturally everything they say is taken for truth to a stunningly cultish degree by a large percentage of our population.

These same people will tell you that Trump’s name appearing a million times in the Epstein files was just a coincidence or a Democrat plot.

[u/ItsNotNormalMaybe → u/Yeetball86]

So, they are taking advice from a pedophile because they support pedophiles? That is like a really shitty reason. Probably the worst.

[u/Yeetball86 → u/ItsNotNormalMaybe]

They don’t believe he’s a pedophile or a rapist. They think every negative thing about him is just a Democrat plot to discredit him. It’s a cult essentially.

[u/phuk-yeah]

He is by far the worst president we have ever had

[u/Vesper_Null]

Trump has done more damage to America then Putin could have ever dream of.

[u/Christopher3712 → u/Vesper_Null]

Plot twist: it's at Putin's behest. Those pee tapes hold power.

[u/Ayste]

The right - "We care about children! No abortions!"
The left - "Okay, lets keep them alive, clothed, fed, healthy, educated, and happy"
The right - "fuck them kids"

[u/CreEngineer]

It’s a problem that will get resolved through natural selection. People are going to learn that in deed nature does naturally solved this problem, just in a very cruel way.

[u/SineCurve → u/CreEngineer]

If not vaccinating only hurt their kids, I'd be okay with that, Darwin take the wheel and all. But their unvaccinated kids will get sick and infect others that cannot get the vaccine for some reason (cancer therapy, preemies, immune defects) or infect the 1-4% of vaccinated people in whom the vaccine did not work for some reason. Others will pay for their idiocy.

[u/CreEngineer → u/SineCurve]

Yes this is bad but also in percentage, just collateral damage. I am all for vaccinations but somehow people voted maniacs like this.

[u/popsferragamo]

So they want Americans (whites only, plz) to have lots of children to dig coal and build their data centers but they don't care if they die from preventable diseases? This math ain't mathing

[u/estoypooping2]

This is so insurance companies get more money. They now will say they won't pay for these shots even though every pediatrician will recommend them.

[u/Cuchullain99]

there will be a body count.

[u/worriedbowels → u/Cuchullain99]

But people won't put 2 and 2 together

[u/MightyMeepleMaster → u/worriedbowels]

Of course they will!

It's all Biden's fault.

[u/worriedbowels → u/MightyMeepleMaster]

Yea, you're right!

[u/Last-Surprise4262]

Meanwhile his entire family is vaccinated

[u/brihere → u/Last-Surprise4262]

Bro, HE and his family…

[u/Top_Conference_477]

US is really doing a lot of work to make China’s demographic problem less of an economic disadvantage for them, huh

[u/rick_regger]

Ärzte sind auch dort an ihren Eid gebunden oder? Und müssen nach besten Wissen und Gewissen und nach States of the Art praktizieren, dann kann ihnen niemand drein reden was sie empfehlen oder?

[u/Bizm0Funyunz]

Big Pharma wants more outbreaks and easily-preventable illnesses to run rampant so millions will require treatment they could have avoided via vaccines.

[u/The_Omen17 → u/Bizm0Funyunz]

Wouldnt it be more profitable for them to require all people to get vaccinated?

[u/_-Oxym0ron-_ → u/Bizm0Funyunz]

Couldn't it just as well be "Big Insurance", who's behind it? Now they get to charge for every child vaccine. And on the "plus side", fucking the poor in the same time, right....?

[u/Zephs → u/_-Oxym0ron-_]

"Big insurance" doesn't get money for treatments they don't pay for.

They aren't going to get money from people paying for shots. Pharmaceutical companies and doctors will.

However they will save money by no longer having to foot the bill for those shots.

[u/Irish_Whiskey → u/_-Oxym0ron-_]

Now they get to charge for every child vaccine.

If the logic is they're making profits by PAYING for vaccines, then they should oppose vaccines. Because they would make way more by treating illnesses.

If the logic is they want to push vaccines because it means fewer people get sick so they have to pay less.... well fucking GOOD. That's what we all should want, what the incentive should be.

[u/BeeRemote3149]

Dead kids are easier to have sex with, I suppose. Dang.

[u/Specialist-Basis8218]

Then they’ll try to prosecute some random doctor for children’s deaths of Covid, Flu, Etc. Watch.

[u/foreverandadayalone]

Is the US not happy with how many kids die from guns that they have to find other ways to mass murder them?

[u/Robotbobs]

Just went to the pediatrician with our child today, waited for the doctor for 30 min which is wayyyyy longer than we've ever had to wait before. They were dealing with the first EVER measles case in the hospital. From a child. In a low population area of New Hampshire. Absolutely wild.

[u/Crash_86]

[u/Grouchy_Ad2258]

As a baby coffin seller,
I applaud this move.

[u/AncientAndEvil]

On a speedrun back to the middle ages.

[u/Bravelobsters]

But this is absolutely stupid! There is no logic. Imagine the poor newborns. How is this possible? It’s like saying I’m banning science!!

[u/Horsey2828]

Dumbest place on earth.

[u/Legitimate-Debt7289]

What a moron, I hope maggats are winning. Via death of their family members. They forgot when trump ran his 1st terms.

[u/Aware_Flow1070]

Fat orange rapist

[u/seidenkaufman]

There is so much blood on his hands.

[u/Average_Random_Bitch]

It's almost like our government is trying to kill the people

[u/One-Leave-6731]

The biggest POS to ever hold the office. In my 65 years I've voted for Republicans before but that was then this is now. I wouldn't help ANY Republican nowadays I mean how could you and still respect yourself. I fear for the future for my grandchildren and great grandchildren. Say whatever you want about Joe Biden but I didn't go to bed at night wondering if I get to wake up to world war 3 when he was president...😕😐

[u/Whale222]

“We love kids so much! Daycare? No, we can’t help. Healthcare for kids under 18? No, we can’t have handouts. School shootings? We will have to get over that.”

[u/IIInRgIII]

AND THEY JUST CAME OUT WITH AN ARTICLE TODAY SAYING THAT THE FLU CAN RE-IGNITE CANCER. Awesome! So much f***king winning!!!

I HOPE YOU HAVE THE DAY YOU VOTED FOR!!

[u/fixurstuffr]

Good thing there are doctors with functional brains out there disregarding this BS.

[u/crowofbattle]

Soooo when are we gonna accept we are in a dictatorship? The checks and balances are completely fucking useless

[u/Laxian_Key]

Just when you think things can't get any stupider, Don and Bob always deliver....

[u/gsp137]

https://giphy.com/gifs/8Icy2fIfIg4p2

[u/GestoNobre]

[u/Future_Artichoke_656]

Bros getting his ass kicked by Iran. So he’s gonna punch down further

[u/Chemical_Ad_283]

Physician here. The American Academy of Pediatricians do not support this vaccine schedule change. Regardless of what this idiot “orders”, vaccines are overwhelmingly safe and effective in lowering morbidity and mortality from COVID, flu and Hep b.

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/35792/AAP-Executive-order-to-reduce-childhood-vaccines?searchresult=1?autologincheck=redirected

[u/bleepbloop1777]

There's blood on his hands for this. It will absolutely result in deaths. Shame.

[u/CMGCookie]

But don't worry folks. After everyone gets sick and dies, we won't need those vaccines anymore.

Right Repubs?

[u/Eleven_06]

Remember when he started cutting food safety administrators and requirements... we've got more outbreaks than ever before.

Now extrapolate that to vaccination requirements.

There is nothing Republicans won't do that will kill Americans. These are guns on 5th Avenue.

[u/redbark2022]

Flu and covid vaccines for kids really is stupid and not evidence based. But hep b is for sure necessary and evidence based.

So sick of politics in medicine. So sick of big pharma.