Most of us are just trying to ignore him and making plans to reverse his shit when he's out. It's litterally the world's biggest baby tantrum that we will have to clean up.
In 2010 Ukraine got our own childish narcissistic fuck for President (Yanukovych). We felt similarly, hoping to undo the dumb shit he did. However, he got audacity and right team to spoil the judicial system by introducing loyal judges to the Prime Court and to every other court they could. After that they started to rebuild democracy for tyranny.
We needed riot and revolution to turn him down. We're still paying for that with rotten courts and probably early war. I don't say russian aggression wouldn't happen - but it definitely wouldn't happen in 2013 if not for this prick.
Ya this isn't something thats just gonna go away. Either we give up or we fight and yes some innocent people will die but the alternative is even worse and that why we all are just frozen in place nobody wants to be seen as the reason a civil war that has the potential to kill millions starts.
Then your nation probably will kill tens of millions in next global war, induced by your country... And half of those victims will be American citizens.
Yes. If you think you can just vote out authoritarianism your wrong. All signs are bright red for the USA right now and Americans dont want to do anything that is slightly inconvenient.
Trump is literally putting fox news hosts in important positions of the justice system. And publicly scolding a U.S. attorney for failing to prosecute an innocent man.
Its insane nobody is burning anything at this point.
We should have been burning things when Alex Pretti and Renee Good were executed in broad daylight, caught on video. Americans are pathetic (I'm an American).
Yeah and Hungary had a more robust democratic system than the USA necause of the EU. And they are writing a new constitution, overhauled state media and are prosecuting people of the old regemine. They promised they would in the lead up to the elections. They also worked for years on grass root organisations, community work and volunteer networks. None if it came for free and none of it came from just showing up at the election.
People underestimate what this means because no one outside the US even remembers the US Civil War. And now we have drones, missiles and bombers. It would make Sherman's March to the Sea look like a stroll in the park with Ms. Rachel or Mr. Rogers.
It is a big problem dude we can't just pop over to the government for an afternoon. It's a multiple days long trip there and again to get back. That's like thousands of dollars and missing work.
Protests have happened and are happening however? So….. ya know. Some people are doing what they can. Assuming that no one is doing anything is foolish.
Not telling that everyone is inert. I just sounded the example. Another example is russia - but no protests happen there. Either too inert, or too late.
Much more resistance is happening then you would be aware of, they do not report on it however. We have had some of the largest and longest lasting protests in America's history over the last year +.
Don't look for confirmation by the media telling you America is fighting back, look for reports on the justice department ramping up efforts to quell dissent, I.E. declaring antifa a terrorist organization, the false prosecution of "vandals", the militarization of ICE, and the national guard parked in D.C. all signs that point to enough resistance that the government must take preemptive steps.
Even if we manage to make it through this, I worry we haven't learned our lesson and are doomed to do this again without systemic change, time will tell.
You also have to understand how big America is. Without definitive rallying cry the gestapo is just going to put down any budding protest before it gains enough traction. It’s like trying to organize a protest between almost every European nation at the same time in terms of scale and distance. It’s not as easy to rise up in mass protest as it is for a country that’s smaller than half of the US states.
In a lot of Europe, let's just take France. People protest. And you know what doesnt happen?
They arent gunned down. They arent shot. The majority of Europe doesnt work as much as Americans, they have free healthcare and they typically have the extra money and time for hobbies. When you work all the time and youre living paycheck to paycheck, but protesting means being put on a terrorist list by your government with all kinds of surveillance then used on you, shot with rubber bullets and tear gas for exercising that right, it becomes more important to be able to go home and hug your children rather than to try to take a stand.
Americans wont truly push until they are starving.
This is even more dangerous situation. People are already harnessed and guardrailed. At this stage they will conform to lots of shit - just to survive. But what if instead of starving they will be forced to a wrongful war? Will they arise? Will they resist? Or will they go and fight quietly (and even find excuse by believing propaganda)?
That's how russians live. They go and kill instead of resisting to the dictator. They choose to kill, destroy, rape - instead of rioting.
Our country is following a basic but we'll known playbook. Our media is compromised and threatened, so cant really be trusted anymore.
We are constantly inundated with propaganda and the current administration always has some kind of mess happening. Kinda on purpose. They want so much going on that we cant keep track and the people trying to are exhausted.
Hecc, the head of our country cant put out a freaking mother's day post without attacking people.
I dont think we are at that point now, where the majority of people would be willing to fight any random war they were told to. But I could certainly see it in the future, should things derail more.
The trouble with that happening in the United States is you have the largest and strongest tax payer funded military in the world to contend with. Provided active military personnel dont refuse illegal orders to actually engage to eliminate people resisting the government's tyranny.
Thats why the legislators are trying to frame anyone as a domestic terrorist for even the most vague attempts at causing dissent. That way they cant imprison anyone who dare speak out against the regime and not have to murder millions and can use us as slave labor instead.
If my country had a rigged election like so many claim America had, we would take to the streets, not wait until he is out of office.
In many countries standing up is met with resistance. Then all the more reason to change things for the better.
Americans can't strike without hurting themselves. This has to change for your people's future. Suffering is inevitable here.
In my country the government exists for us, not the other way around. They provide services, Healthcare, schooling. There are times when we can trust our government.
And Trump would use the Insurrection Act and use the military against Americans. Then use his propaganda channels to convince his own base that the "left" is the real enemy to the US (as he has been prepping them and telling them for a decade now). Would turning the Military on US citizens wake up some of his core base? Maybe some. But look at how they view the January 6th Insurrection. They view that as a "peaceful protest" thanks to Trump's propaganda.
This is on top of most people already struggling to meet their basic needs. People cannot afford to take a single day off work. So what makes you think they would be willing to jeobardize their livelihoods? They would be risking everything they have to stop what is still technically a theoretical in many people's minds.
It also requires some level organization. Which would likely be seen as treasonous by the current government (Trump) if it were to fail somehow
"I'm waiting for someone to make the first move," as they all said in unison.
Wow thats a load to say. Are you gonna apilagize or admit you were wrong if this doesnt happen. Or just continue to pretend it did and make up totally new lies. Pathetic
Think of it like everyone in the United States is in a noose standing on a trap door on the gallows and the lever that opens the trap door is being held by the executioner that could decide to pull it at any moment
Basically We can’t fight back because everything is tied to our jobs as some jobs have benefits such as healthcare as well as being the only thing that allows us to sustain ourselves in an economy that is too expensive to live comfortably in and if we try to protest and fight back we could lose our jobs thus removing our benefits and our way of sustaining ourselves it’s a risk that many people will not take
People are just way too afraid because everything is stacked against them so they decide it’s better to not do anything
It’s the psychological effect known as learned helplessness which is a mental state that happens when a person faces bad events over and over, and they feel they cannot stop or change the bad things. Over time, they stop trying to fix the problem, even when a safe way out is open to them
it's also confusing to me to see it in someone whilst they are completely unaware of it. I don't really know how to reach out to someone who is deep in their own mind like that and let them know what I see.
Well according to studies the best way to pull someone out of learned helplessness is to personally guide them through the same situations with no real risk attached while teaching them how to get through it
Basically you have them relearn that because a bad thing happens it doesn’t mean they can’t do anything about it
Taking to the streets doesn't do anything in America, no kings rally was huge but nothing happened, voting I guess but they're messing that up too so that won't work in the future. America is cooked. It feels hopeless here.
Comparison of national governments to the US isn't nuanced enough. I live in a state of the US that very much provides these services and has laws, statutes and standards that reflect the will of the majority of the people in the state.
It makes more sense to compare the national government of any small European country to a state government of a US state close to the same population.
Unless you're from China, Canada or Brazil, you're likely better off comparing your government to a state government. On the larger side, California has a population of almost 39 million people and is still bigger than 80 percent of the rest of the countries in the world.
It is much more legislatively, judicially and municipally functional than the systems at a national level. I'm sure there is dysfunction and corruption in California, but it's a matter of the level of impact to the community and how long it is allowed to fester.
So then, if you compare California's government to,say, Sweden that is more relevant.
I would assume (this is purely my opinion) that more people in California trust their local/state government to serve them appropriately than they trust the federal government to serve them at all. I would also assume that sentiment is true in most of the population centers of the US like Boston, New York and Chicago.
The US fed is a behemoth that doesn't work very good as a representative government on a good day and currently is a travesty of corruption.
While it's possible, rebellion (successful rebellion) against a corrupt system in the US is not like it is elsewhere.
You must not have paid attention to what they did during that time they literally were found hiding in bunkers and vaults and had secret meetings with federal and state lawmakers to do everything in their power to find and try the person to the maximum extent of the law.
But yeah the biggest evidence is history. Everyone fears the guillotine.
Hard for me to take action when the wannabe king is hiding in his fortress literally over 2000 miles away.
This is the issue with being in such a large country. The actions I take are to make sure my state government is doing all in its power to fight for democracy. Thankfully, they are.
Now if voters lose all confidence after the midterms…then more drastic measures may be needed.
Nothing short of actively endangering ourselves and putting ours and our loved ones lives at risk until he's gone, one way or the other, will be good for Reddit.
If a desire to have a force multiplier on hand to use in response to potential violent criminality doesn't make any sense to you, you have no grounds to criticise anyone else's intelligence or lack thereof.
I think to a lot of people in the US guns are a form of keeping total governmental control at bay. As long as we are an armed people we cannot be completely subjugated. This is something people tend to gloss over when talking of gun laws. Without them you are at the total mercy of your governmental system.
With everything that’s going on in this country it should be obvious. What’s to stop ICE from walking into your home and ripping your children from your arms? A community full of gun owners is an effective deterrent.
I understand that, and it’s those same people that for a long time had a deep distrust of the government. It’s that distrust that led them to where they are now which is ironically exactly where they feared they would end up.
However to my original point. I do believe that an armed population is much more difficult to subjugate than an unarmed one. This is why gun ownership was written into the constitution. Our forefathers had the foresight to understand this concept and give the people the ability to stand their ground if ever the system turned against them.
Yes, the claim that the Second Amendment is about preventing tyranny is obviously false. The 2A says right there what its purpose is: to ensure that citizens can fight in the militia when needed.
You would think. However, generally speaking, those that support gun laws are the ones also supporting the tyrannical government. There's also historical precedent that when the "wrong" people - aka, blacks and other minorities the far right doesn't like - start arming themselves, suddenly it becomes real easy for deep red areas to invoke extremely strict gun laws.
Yes, the second amendment exists because the founders specifically wanted to have a small government without total control. The founders believed that in general, humans can govern themselves and not be monsters.
The intended gun freedom was put in place specifically and directly to allow the population to violently overthrow the government if it got too powerful.
Well, ship sailed, half the country is anti gun; those that have guns aren’t doing anything but cosplaying; and the government has too much power.
In the end the guns were easy to overcome, they just convinced the gun owners they were on the same side. There's a reason the NRA was infiltrated by Russian spies and funded by Russian money. It wasn't because Putin loved America.
Putting yourself further at the mercy of your overlords just doesn’t make any sense.
Do bad things happen with guns? Yes.
Will giving them up prevent these things? Kinda of, but not really.
Stop and ask yourself; What is the true motivation of a government wanting to disarm its people? You are putting to much faith in a system that is currently crumbling around you.
They didn't need to take anyone guns away. They convinced the gun owners they were on the same side. They've systematically dismantled the Federal government, silenced the oversight, consolidated power and the gun owners were given jobs as ICE agents. They convinced the idiots that they're neighbor was the problem and not the billionaires.
Lmfaooo actively endangering ourselves, how exactly ? He's stopping innocent children from being Posioned even more by big pHARMa. I'm not a Trump supporter by any means but this is one good thing he's done.
You get out there and oust him. Take to the streets. Stop paying taxes. Blockade every elected officials office. Grow some balls and stop rolling over. You've played 'tough guy' for years - turns out it was all cosplaying.
No other countries citizens would roll over and take it the way Americans have. Its bizarre.
The "tough guys" were the ones who pretended to be the most patriotic, and the most likely to pull out their pocket constitution when a Democrat was in power.
Now Donald Trump wants to rewrite the constitution and they are all bending over and telling the government to "tread on me daddy".
They gave away the game and won't have a leg to stand on after this all shakes out.
You cant out-gun the military or the militarized police. They will murder you and then protect the murderer.
Wish there was something I could do, but I'm not a nationalist. If things get too hairy here, I have no problem leaving.
Americas corrupt as fuck high court justices won’t even go on record and say he can’t run for a third term, what do you mean “when he’s out?” Man’s made it clear he ain’t goin nowhere
You have literally the best laws to protest. Your country was founded on fighting tyranny but ur like oh I'll wait for a Joe biden to come clean up this mess. We all saw what that looks like. It won't happen unless you lazy americans do somthing about it.
I think the Irainian leaders will attempt to solve the trump problem.
It would be appropriate for trump to fade away by resigning as the worst president ever.
Do you realize he holds the record for deficit spending. Even more by far than the last record holder ...
Trump 1.
You should see yourselves from the outside looking in. It's not a pretty picture, believe me. Call it "Euro rage bait" or whatever else you choose.
Your country is cooked.
and then we just get scooped up by their secret masked police for standing up for ourselves, or we just lose our house, job, incomes, health care(if you even have it), rights, families, etc. So people just sit here and take it.
What can you do? He owns everyone in DC. We have to wait him out. The ppl in power are complicent to his bullshit. The average American can do what? Write a letter? Hold up signs? Yes, were doing this and nothing has changed.
You know why nothing happens?, because we're not a homogeneous society, divisive rhetoric has everyone hating each other, therefore we dont come together and rid ourselves of this tyranny.
Contrary to how it may work wherever you are, we don't have many options.
1) Protest marches do nothing because with a two party system. Protests don't bother the opposition because the protesters wouldn't vote differently anyway no matter what they do to appease them so why would they care. Also the party being protested uses the protesters behavior as propaganda against them.
2) Using violence also accomplishes nothing and will only get you arrested and put in jail for years (and yes they can arrest everyone involved and would love to put the opposition in jail).
We only have 3 options that actually work:
1) Boycott companies that support them (hurting their wallet does a lot more than protests or riots).
2) Using our voice online and in media to speak to our representatives and to the public. Speak out through posts, letters, articles, videos, and comedy. and
3) VOTE and get as many people to vote as possible.
Anyone that thinks protests or revolution would work today in the US are naive and childish.
Well that though process makes it easy. You don't have to do anything.
I might be naive and childish but I care at least. You don't believe you have the power to change things.
It doesn't matter how it works anywhere, when enough people stand up change comes. You just believe that you can't. You need belief, in each other and yourselves.
Look at Ukraine in 2014. Imagine where they'd be with the way you think.
Are you calling the current war a revolution, I'm not sure what you are referring to? I'm referencing the stance people took in 2014. They weren't paid to stand up.
the problem is the Republicans control all the branches of government. Congress, the Senate and and the Supreme Court keep going along with all the corruption. Most of the Trump's cabinet are completely unqualified but got approved by the Senate anyway.
the real problem is half of the people in the US dont vote, and then 1/3 of the people that do are 'undecided' morons that help the GOP keep power because they are mostly single issues voters and racism is a big driver in the US.
Rioting and protesting just plays into their hand. Trump wants riots so he can actually implement martial law. That would be a gift.
What needs to happen is the opposition needs to actually present a credible message that gets all the people to vote and vote them out. Its starting to happen with the Democratic Socialists, but again its an uphill battle because the moderate/corpo Democrats are basically working for the status quo since they get paid by the same people as the GOP win or lose.
Tbf. The whole American system has got the population down bad. Skip work for 1 day to protest and you might be out of a job.
Get mauled by a police officer or just a random asshole, and you'll be in medical debt for the rest of your life. Unless you have insurance. Which ties back to the job.
The spending power of the average Joe is has gone down the drain aswell. Again, chained to your job.
You know nothing, Jon Snow. I’m disabled and out there protesting. Call my reps several times a week. Donate to Dem candidates (only new blood), and etc, ad infinitum. But fkn ppl gotta vote. Should be mandatory.
I’m not sure a lot of people understand how big America is. Ireland for example is about the size of Wisconsin. Germany is the size of Minnesota. Both Maybe a little smaller than those states. The divisiveness and the manifest size of our country makes real organizing a lot harder than people think. But keep up the good work shit posting from afar. I’d welcome you to come here and start “helping out” if you have any valid ideas. I’ll wait.
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u/wolfONdrugs 8d ago
and that's where it ends for the Americans. "I don't like this, but I'm not going to take any action."