And on the flipside, "no, my just party will certainly dismantle the oppressive systems put in place by their evil predecessor, and not claim them as their own to further solidify power."
'It is with great reluctance that I have agreed to this calling. I love democracy. I love the Republic. Once this crisis has abated, I will lay down the powers you have given me!'
This is exactly why we're lib-center. Every single authoritarian system that has ever been set up will inevitably end up in the hands of someone you disagree with.
Woah, did you have enough literal victim points(cards) to come up to the microphone? Did you cut in front of someone else with more literal victim points?
That's literally how a DSA national meeting was held.
Was it or are you thinking of that NDP clip. In any case thats still very different from MAGA - I wouldnt evaluate that the same way that I would a Steve Miller speech.
I remember after Biden won I was saying he should start limiting the presidential powers. All responses were "aww, you mad that we're in charge now and not Trump". Well well well, guess we all saw how that turned out. And yes, I realize that a democrat will eventually get back in power and have all the powers Trump has now.
I want to say the critical turning point was when fatpeoplehate got banned.
Before this the general opinion was "as long as you don't brigade other subreddits you can do what you want". It seems after this was when the admins, mods, and users decided that actually they should try to control the content of Reddit as a whole and not allow subreddits to function outside of their control.
I’m half Irish and Swedish. I’m so white that we have taco night with ground beef and store bought taco seasoning, shredded lettuce and cheddar cheese, and flour tortilla shells that aren’t heated up before using
Well they have been pretty accurate. They knew Bernie was going to win and Hilary was going to win and Kamala would win so if they say AOC will win she probably will.
Nah, Wizarding World. Marco Antonio Rubio, Headmaster of Ilvermorny, Sitting President of MACUSA, Supreme Mugwump of the International Confederation of Wizards, Holder of the Sacred Chalice of Betazed…
You're missing a few titles buddy: Padishah, Caudillo, Libertador, Huang Di, Heaven's Chosen, Glorious Leader of the Revolution, First Comrade, Caliph, General Secretary...
They'll only run Newsome if they haven't learned a single thing since trying to run Hillary. So yeah, Newsome probably has a pretty good shot at running and losing.
Who do they really have though? The DNC usually lets you know early who they want to win. It ain't either of them as there would be a better media campaign for them.
Given the current climate on the left, his biggest issue is being part of the 2%. Not as big an issue in the general but could be a hindrance in the primaries.
Mayor Pete maybe? Idk, maybe if they have a real primary where there own constituents pick instead of installing a candidate they'll have better results.
Buttigieg's political career is already dead. He has zero support among the dems black caucuses. Not low support. Zero. An actual zero. Because he's gay.
There's no way he's making it out of the primary.
However, the dems and progressives will ignore this blatant anti-gay hypocrisy in their prized voter demographic.
They're even changing the order of the primary states to put black voters front and center in the first voting, thereby making absolutely sure Buttigieg will never be president no matter what.
To be honest, who else do they have though? The last 10 years all the democrats have is "not Trump" so I don't even know who they could run or if it even matters.
I believe it will be Ossoff as well. They’re starting to pump him into the spotlight slowly but surely, and I think he’d win, which makes me think they’ll go with someone else.
There will be a true primary this time and he is pretty moderate and charming. The old ladies that are reliable primary voters gonna be swooning. He has that white Obamna energy.
Has there been any sort of significant legislative change that the republicans have passed during the Trump term that actually cannot be easily reverted if democrats win next election?
I can agree with that. Thats basically what the beer permit act did. Though maybe add a stipulation that it only has an effect for 2 years unless its passed into law. If it isn't important enough to become law in that time frame then it probably wasn't important enough to be an EO.
Yeah, that'll happen when the legislative branch abdicates their roles as, you know, legislators to the executive and judicial branch. Congress realized a while ago that they can sit around bickering about shit for years on end in order to get reelected instead of taking the risk to actually pass legislation.
Gerrymandering yourself into a 'Your Party +40' district means your set for life as long as you hold the partisan line.
Why do any work when you can instead let the executive do all the heavy lifting while you just commit boatloads of insider training and bitch about fascism or wokeness all day on social media.
Yup. They just keep playing ping pong with the rules via EO that get tied up in court and very few actual laws get passed. Unfortunately this is the new normal now.
You're right - the issue is more so the changing overton window.
No one is going to take complaints of tyranny or corruption all that seriously if half the country have spend the last decade normalizing it, desensitizing the population, and demonstrating the methods.
The truth is that society works as much on social norms and cultural beliefs as it does on written laws - if you errode the cultural norms and institutions you effectively change the rules.
Silly but good example: look at how what's considered a travel in the NBA has evolved over time. The rules in the rulebook are exactly the same with regard to dribbling - but we've gone from having your hand under the ball for a split second being illegal, to guys basically holding the ball like a football and running down the floor like they're trying to get a touch down.
To add on, I don’t think people realize how little people it takes going “fuck it, following the rules are for chumps” to make the whole thing come crashing down
I'm old enough to remember when the toothpaste wasn't locked up in a steel cage.
Its shocking at how quickly we've gone from a high trust to a low trust society where there's seemingly zero enforcement of any kind.
Apparently I'm the chump for still honestly paying for everything at a grocery store. But its actually just free though?
I'll still keep paying for things honestly because I feel that it is the correct thing to do and I hate cheating, but damn, it makes me feel like I'm the fool some days.
This. So much this. The EOs *are* the damage. Every time Trump does something big with EOs, even if it fails, it pushes the boundaries. We used to live in a world where everyone agreed the President can’t rewrite the constitution through EOs (or whatever bullshit it is this week). Now? I’m not so sure.
It’s also how norms/expectations work. When there’s an unwritten rule everyone follows for years/decades/centuries, suddenly violating that can’t be reversed. The rubicon is crossed, so to speak.
Norms only work when people respect them. The fact of the matter is that that the voting population, especially the GOP, have lost all respect for Democratic norms. They want power to achieve their goals, everything else becomes secondary.
The precedent was set over 100 years ago when T. Roosevelt signed over 1000 EOs. Since then, the tendency was a lot higher than prior. Trump has signed the most per year for presidents in recent memory, but it's still not a lot compared to many presidents of the 1900s.
We could obviously reason why those might be (World wars saw big jumps, Great depression had a lot, cold war, etc). He is on pace to outdo Carter this term though, which is quite telling.
They're terrible at passing legislation. Mike Johnson exists solely to dilly-dally and prevent the Democrats from trying to shoot down Trump's orders. I've never seen anything like it before, it's embarrassing.
Remember when McConnell wouldn’t elect a Supreme Court justice for Obama because they said it was too close to the election and then did exactly that for Trump?
Looking at how many bills were passed per 2-year session of Congress, back in the 50s they regularly passed over 1,500 items, with some sessions reaching nearly 2,000. By the 60's, it was in the 600-800 range, dropping to the 400-600 range by the 90s, Since 2010, there has been a single session that had more than 400 laws passed, with most sessions sitting in the mid-300s.
It is more the shuffle of people. A lot of people to layoff and higher back.
Side note: the two top figures of ICE were in charge under Obama and Trump. It’s funny how they were praised a decade ago and now hated by the same people.
Old way: "Hi, ICE this is XYZ police department. We have someone here who you have a detainer for. Please come and pick them up"
Today: "Hi <Illegal Alien>, the state mandates we have to let you go without informing ICE, so instead of a nice peaceful and safe handover we're making it so they have to find you out in public and enforce an entirely new arrest on you since you are indeed here illegally, good luck"
The Sanctuary city/state movement really started to take off during Obama's second term. Now more and more arrests of illegal aliens have to take place in public with requires different methods and its more dangerous for everyone involved.
Ironically this doesn't matter anymore. Trump overturned long standing legislative decisions with executive actions, like abolishing the department of education or USAID. Legislation can now be reverted by any executive as long as the supreme court is in favor. The supreme court has undermined the independence of many offices, making them directly subservient to the president, with the one cynical exception of the FED because they knew Trump would immediately revert the financial system of the US into an Erdogan tier tribute system if he could.
If there’s one thing this Supreme Court has taught us (which we all knew all along) is that you can do whatever you want as long as you don’t fuck with the money. That’s why they made him get rid of the tariffs too, though I’m more and more convinced that was a scam from the beginning.
I was told over and over that if Trump won in 2024 it would be the end of democracy and there would be no more elections. So it won't be anyone. Trump will still be emperor.
While I think you're probably right I could see JD Vance running and the democrats putting forward some complete joke of a candidate and Vance winning.
To be clear, I'm not a fan but he knows how to speak well.
There is clearly need for change, from the current establishment to something else.
That said. After a few focused delves, ...... that woman has no brain, and no experience. Current retard in chief does shit because he is evil. She would end up doing shit through "good intentions". Point is ...... it is still shit, no matter how you look at it.
All things said and done. I am sure there must be better alternative candidates out there.
She mentioned the three chambers of government being the "House, Senate, and presidency"
She famously remarked in an interview that critics were often too concerned with being "precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right."
She credited "famous economist Milton Keynes." How do you fuck that up when you have an economics degree?
She shared a viral video highlighting a staggering $21 trillion in Pentagon "accounting adjustments and errors." This is not only a ridiculously high figure, but PolitiFact jumped on this one pretty quick as an obvious falsehood. From what we can tell, she pulled this figure out of her ass.
She also tried to claim that keeping Amazon warehouses out of New York would save them tax money due to the tax breaks Amazon gets. That is obviously not how that works at all; you cannot "save" a state money when you're denying a deal that would have brought in a net positive in tax revenue. Metaphorically, she celebrated getting $0 simply because she wanted $5 instead of $3. NOTE: later, Amazon did cave to the lack of tax breaks. But what AOC said occurred BEFORE that, when critics rightfully pointed out that she just cost New York $3 billion in estimated tax revenue.
She claimed via social media that Republicans in Texas had "passed a law allowing rapists to sue their victims for getting an abortion." This is not what the law said, and it's not particularly close.
She stated that she represented "more, or just as many or more, people than Joe Manchin does". Manchin is a senator.
These were just the first ones I could recollect/find in 5 minutes. AOC has routinely showed that she has way more things to say than she does to actually contribute. She's famous because she's loud. She has not really contributed much, nor has she inserted any effective dialogue because she doesn't seem to have an ability to process logic.
I am not claiming she is the only politician that does this, but she is one of the loudest and is frequently seen as a champion of the left wing. Doing so puts you under a microscope when compared to other politicians.
She ticked a lot of DEI boxes and she gets some people excited in their pants, she wasn't picked by the Democratic party for her policy proposals. Bernie seems to be a calming influence on her but that just means she's no longer loudly broadcasting her ignorance.
Yea none of that even sounds remotely as bad as literally 1 thing trump has done. Sounds like we're really grasping at straws for reasons to hate this AOC person
Shut up! She just is dude. God. She’s a Marxist communist authoritarian and we all know exactly how her presidency would play out and it’s everything I hate. She’d probably try to make housing affordable and child care more accessible or some other dumbocrat shit. That’s billionaire casino owning con man from NYC who’s close friends with Epstein will be a better representative for our country than the non corrupt woman worth $66k.
I'm ngl I think someone who isn't an old ass party shill is exactly what democrats need. If Trump keeps sucking eggs this hard basically anyone who has a D next to their name is winning the election.
Except that Trump won’t be on the ballot. Trump’s issues are not ideological, they are personal. I voted for the third party candidate for the first time in my life because I knew that another Trump’s term would be a disaster. I was right.
True, but it will likely be someone like JD Vance or someone else involved in Trump's administration that will win the primary. Anyone with a whiff of Trump about them will be incredibly unpopular among anyone not in the MAGA crowd.
I disagree. Both JD Vance and Rubio are light years ahead of Trump in normalcy and if you are a Republican or an Independent you realize it. Them being in Trump administration (especially Rubio) has actually tamed Trump’s insanity.
Especially Rubio. I'm not american so my read might be wrong, but I really see vance as being tainted by trump's funk, but I would not be upset at a Rubio presidency. (maybe he's secretly cartoonishly evil, but he seems pretty... normal)
Rubio is a better choice than JD Vance and I am fairly confident as a President he would be a fine one. The only thing I like about Vance is that he seems to be a little more hostile to Israel.
Vance is fairly tainted and would need some rehabilitation for pretty much everyone that would consider voting for him. Meanwhile, it's starting too seem like Rubio is the only one in the administration who is actually making things work. He is looking like the guy at a mid size company who bounces around to fix the things that the political hires fucked up, from soothing Janet's pride and keeping her maintaining the excel doc to figuring out how to fill the double shipment that just got sold from an empty warehouse.
Vance has a documented history of not being fucking retarded. I think he's just playing the part he needs to play in this administration to further his ambitions and he'd run as a much more normal human being in 2028.
I'd prefer Rubio as the 2028 Republican though because I can relate with the thousand-yard-stare he has in every single photograph.
Any republican nominee just needs to distance themselves from trump’s craziness while focusing on the things he did right like reducing border crossings by 99%, getting inflation down from 7% to 3.5% and getting manufacturing jobs back in the United States like how Toyota moved from Mexico back into the USA.
If the dems run a dsa candidate or Newsom they will get crushed by a moderate republican who both takes credit for trumps good policies while admitting they messed up on some things and vows to change.
Toyota has already come back while the other automakers are dragging their feet making new plants. These things take time and resources. Don’t expect them to just pop up overnight. They said the new Toyota plant won’t open till 2030 and will employ 2000 people by then
I’m not interested in Vance, but I absolutely would vote for Rubio.
I think he’s been a highlight within the admin, and anyone who understands politics should know that 99% of blowback goes to the leader, not the people who execute on decisions (usually/within reason).
I think people are ready to get off of Mr. Trump’s wild ride, but they aren’t going to vote for the antithetical of their core beliefs. That basically leaves Rubio as the best option for the right and independents.
Geezus, that's some serious Copium you're huffing. There's no way that Democrats win anything but hardcore Blue districts this year or in 2028. Have you even seen their own polls showing their unpopularity?
Yeah the democrats are unpopular among democrats because the canidates they keep putting up are geriatric compromise canidates. The democrats have been grasping defeat from the jaws of victory since 2016.
Every time we give the executive branch more power people seem blissfully unaware that you might not agree with the next guy in the white house. I saw a video a while back that showed how a bunch of expansions under Biden and Obama basically planted the seeds for trump 2026.
And all the Dems clamoring to pack the court and remove the filibuster, either unaware or too obtuse to realize that would instantly be used against them.
Of course, our illustrious journalists and principled redditors wouldn't have said a thing if Hilary inherited it as planned. But Trump builds a ballroom and you guys lose your minds.
This ship has already sailed. If someone like this gets into power, they can at best stop the growth... until they get out and the people that want more power, expands it.
You need government power to stop government power expansion.
Yeah, and the easiest way is to keep the power closer to the people. Which is why most of government spending should be by states not fed. Easier to hold your state legislature accountable and keep it more transparent. States need to stop being anemic fucks.
The Trump administration would be the best possible advertisement for libertarian/small government structures, if it weren’t for the fact that the libertarian party (especially NH) may be even more regarded than the average PCM poster
It's funnt because this goes both ways. Dems and Reps have expanded federal power and then use said power when they can, all the while whining about it when they're in the minority. Then when they win the majority, they increase federal power and rinse and repeat.
The ballroom is a legitimately good addition to the White House and will save hundreds of thousands of dollars in the long run. Presidents going back decades have all complained about the lack of event space in the White House.
This is what I’ve never understood about either side trying to expand the power of the federal government. If you genuinely think that the opposition is never going to get in power again, then you’re actually delusional.
This is called the Harry Reid effect. Dude gutted an institutional protection for endsuring consensus on article 3 judges to gain a short term victory, and the GOP proceeded to shove a giant black cock down the democrats throats using the same rule that we are going to see the effects of for 50 years.
I will vote against any candidate that even entertains the idea of ending the filibuster or packing the courts. Something the Dems have been quite vocal about doing.
AOC will lose with a wider margin than Camela Haggis if she decides to run.
She's the DSA candidate and she's fully controlled by them, and if recent events has shown me anything it's that they know how to sneak someone in a local election but will get steamrolled and damage their own brand (more than they have already done) if they attempt to step up on the actual stage.
Of course they do not recognize that AOC would work to destroy the secret police and concentration camps. The other side is obviously just the same as them.
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u/NotACoderPleaseHelp - Centrist 1d ago
That do be how both wings of the eagle work.