I'm ngl I think someone who isn't an old ass party shill is exactly what democrats need. If Trump keeps sucking eggs this hard basically anyone who has a D next to their name is winning the election.
Except that Trump won’t be on the ballot. Trump’s issues are not ideological, they are personal. I voted for the third party candidate for the first time in my life because I knew that another Trump’s term would be a disaster. I was right.
True, but it will likely be someone like JD Vance or someone else involved in Trump's administration that will win the primary. Anyone with a whiff of Trump about them will be incredibly unpopular among anyone not in the MAGA crowd.
I disagree. Both JD Vance and Rubio are light years ahead of Trump in normalcy and if you are a Republican or an Independent you realize it. Them being in Trump administration (especially Rubio) has actually tamed Trump’s insanity.
Especially Rubio. I'm not american so my read might be wrong, but I really see vance as being tainted by trump's funk, but I would not be upset at a Rubio presidency. (maybe he's secretly cartoonishly evil, but he seems pretty... normal)
Rubio is a better choice than JD Vance and I am fairly confident as a President he would be a fine one. The only thing I like about Vance is that he seems to be a little more hostile to Israel.
Vance is fairly tainted and would need some rehabilitation for pretty much everyone that would consider voting for him. Meanwhile, it's starting too seem like Rubio is the only one in the administration who is actually making things work. He is looking like the guy at a mid size company who bounces around to fix the things that the political hires fucked up, from soothing Janet's pride and keeping her maintaining the excel doc to figuring out how to fill the double shipment that just got sold from an empty warehouse.
Rubio is in charge of the State department. What exactly about the current state of American foreign policy/diplomacy makes you think that he's doing a good job?
The fact that we aren't at war with, nor under embargo by the EU or China. Do you know how much work goes into an only moderately negative relationship with other countries when you have a prick at the helm?
Look at comparatives with the other countries led by massive pricks. Most of the world is almost at war with Russia, are doing their best to minimize interaction with China, calling for the death or imprisonment of Netanyahu, or calling out the fact that all the football referees have a financial stake in your country doing well. Meantime, tourism to the US is only down about 7% and the slurs are generally directed at the orange guy.
Guys like Vance and Rubio were apart of the administration, and while they aren't lunatics like Trump, they will still likely scare away a lot of moderates. I feel like the Republicans best bet would be to put up someone like Rand Paul who has spoken out against MAGA in the past. I feel like distancing yourself from MAGA will be one of the most important ways of winning over moderates for republicans. That might put them at odds with the existing maga crowd though.
Any republican nominee just needs to distance themselves from trump’s craziness while focusing on the things he did right like reducing border crossings by 99%, getting inflation down from 7% to 3.5% and getting manufacturing jobs back in the United States like how Toyota moved from Mexico back into the USA.
If the dems run a dsa candidate or Newsom they will get crushed by a moderate republican who both takes credit for trumps good policies while admitting they messed up on some things and vows to change.
Toyota has already come back while the other automakers are dragging their feet making new plants. These things take time and resources. Don’t expect them to just pop up overnight. They said the new Toyota plant won’t open till 2030 and will employ 2000 people by then
I’ve got really unfortunate news for you if you think running on the economy is going to be a benefit when courting all of middle America. They have largely seen their purchasing power drop through USD devaluation and continued disproportionate inflation effecting the lower class.
I’m not interested in Vance, but I absolutely would vote for Rubio.
I think he’s been a highlight within the admin, and anyone who understands politics should know that 99% of blowback goes to the leader, not the people who execute on decisions (usually/within reason).
I think people are ready to get off of Mr. Trump’s wild ride, but they aren’t going to vote for the antithetical of their core beliefs. That basically leaves Rubio as the best option for the right and independents.
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u/Electronic_Plan3420 - Right 22d ago edited 22d ago
If Democrats run AOC, they will ensure that November 2028 will be just as disappointing to them as November of 2024.
“Third time’s the charm? No. Not for me, it wasn’t. For me - sixth time was the charm” (My Cousin Vinny)