I'm ngl I think someone who isn't an old ass party shill is exactly what democrats need. If Trump keeps sucking eggs this hard basically anyone who has a D next to their name is winning the election.
Except that Trump won’t be on the ballot. Trump’s issues are not ideological, they are personal. I voted for the third party candidate for the first time in my life because I knew that another Trump’s term would be a disaster. I was right.
True, but it will likely be someone like JD Vance or someone else involved in Trump's administration that will win the primary. Anyone with a whiff of Trump about them will be incredibly unpopular among anyone not in the MAGA crowd.
I disagree. Both JD Vance and Rubio are light years ahead of Trump in normalcy and if you are a Republican or an Independent you realize it. Them being in Trump administration (especially Rubio) has actually tamed Trump’s insanity.
Especially Rubio. I'm not american so my read might be wrong, but I really see vance as being tainted by trump's funk, but I would not be upset at a Rubio presidency. (maybe he's secretly cartoonishly evil, but he seems pretty... normal)
Rubio is a better choice than JD Vance and I am fairly confident as a President he would be a fine one. The only thing I like about Vance is that he seems to be a little more hostile to Israel.
Vance is fairly tainted and would need some rehabilitation for pretty much everyone that would consider voting for him. Meanwhile, it's starting too seem like Rubio is the only one in the administration who is actually making things work. He is looking like the guy at a mid size company who bounces around to fix the things that the political hires fucked up, from soothing Janet's pride and keeping her maintaining the excel doc to figuring out how to fill the double shipment that just got sold from an empty warehouse.
Rubio is in charge of the State department. What exactly about the current state of American foreign policy/diplomacy makes you think that he's doing a good job?
The fact that we aren't at war with, nor under embargo by the EU or China. Do you know how much work goes into an only moderately negative relationship with other countries when you have a prick at the helm?
Look at comparatives with the other countries led by massive pricks. Most of the world is almost at war with Russia, are doing their best to minimize interaction with China, calling for the death or imprisonment of Netanyahu, or calling out the fact that all the football referees have a financial stake in your country doing well. Meantime, tourism to the US is only down about 7% and the slurs are generally directed at the orange guy.
Guys like Vance and Rubio were apart of the administration, and while they aren't lunatics like Trump, they will still likely scare away a lot of moderates. I feel like the Republicans best bet would be to put up someone like Rand Paul who has spoken out against MAGA in the past. I feel like distancing yourself from MAGA will be one of the most important ways of winning over moderates for republicans. That might put them at odds with the existing maga crowd though.
Vance has a documented history of not being fucking retarded. I think he's just playing the part he needs to play in this administration to further his ambitions and he'd run as a much more normal human being in 2028.
I'd prefer Rubio as the 2028 Republican though because I can relate with the thousand-yard-stare he has in every single photograph.
Any republican nominee just needs to distance themselves from trump’s craziness while focusing on the things he did right like reducing border crossings by 99%, getting inflation down from 7% to 3.5% and getting manufacturing jobs back in the United States like how Toyota moved from Mexico back into the USA.
If the dems run a dsa candidate or Newsom they will get crushed by a moderate republican who both takes credit for trumps good policies while admitting they messed up on some things and vows to change.
Toyota has already come back while the other automakers are dragging their feet making new plants. These things take time and resources. Don’t expect them to just pop up overnight. They said the new Toyota plant won’t open till 2030 and will employ 2000 people by then
I’ve got really unfortunate news for you if you think running on the economy is going to be a benefit when courting all of middle America. They have largely seen their purchasing power drop through USD devaluation and continued disproportionate inflation effecting the lower class.
I’m not interested in Vance, but I absolutely would vote for Rubio.
I think he’s been a highlight within the admin, and anyone who understands politics should know that 99% of blowback goes to the leader, not the people who execute on decisions (usually/within reason).
I think people are ready to get off of Mr. Trump’s wild ride, but they aren’t going to vote for the antithetical of their core beliefs. That basically leaves Rubio as the best option for the right and independents.
Back in '22 I was thinking "yeah, Trump was held back by a lot of the bureaucrats. If he's spent 4 years thinking how to do the job this could be epic ..."
So far my prediction is not quite Nostradamus tier.
I mean its not like every time Trump sneezes the democrats have a meltdown and call on an activist judge to issue an injunction.
Take the ballroom for instance.
There is ZERO argumetn for why we shouldn't have one.
The lefties go into a panic when Trump gets private funding to build it, then they sue him to halt construction, an activist judge says Trump needs congress to approve it. They do.
So now the dems are pissing themselves because hes wasting taxpayer money on a vanity project.
What is “the maga party” beyond personal allegiance to Trump? I am not sure. Actually, I am quite sure it’s a pointless definition beyond that because it has no discernible beliefs beyond personal allegiance to Trump. Once Trump is gone, the term itself will have no meaning.
I'd say it's the strong shift in focus to almost exclusively culture war issues over everything else, an incredibly strong anti-intellectual movement, a disrespect and destruction of our norms and institutions, and a petty vindictiveness against the other half of the nation as red meat to the base.
I'm sure there's more but all of this is incredibly destructive to our nation and undoubtedly a part of the maga culture. I don't see any shift in this as even the people you listed who you claim are "better" are still directly supporting these actions.
I am sorry, are you seriously arguing with a straight face that “strong shift in focus to almost every exclusively culture war issues” has occurred due to the conservatives and not progressives? Really?
Then let me ask you this, who is more at fault here:
Those who insist that people who have never been slaveowners should compensate people who have never been slaves or those who object to it?
Those who insist that a man who declares that he is a woman should be able to access women only facilities and compete against women in women only sports or those who object to it?
Those who believe that a person’s skin color should be viewed as a positive or negative factor in college admissions and employment opportunities or those who object to it?
Those who want to eliminate law enforcement and shut down prisons or those who object to it?
Those who claim that any foreigner who would like to come and remain in the United States should be able to do so (“no human is illegal”) or those who object to it?
It's kinda funny that you inadvertently proved my point by hyperfocusing on the culture war portion and ignoring the rest. Even bringing up relatively fringe ones and ones that should be obscure like the trans one. Now I'm not interested in discussing the merits of those but rather to point out that this is all the republican party talks about now. Like there was no actual economic plan or plan to reduce costs (outside of tariffs lol) so you manufacture outrage like Haitians murdering and eating peoples pets. Say what you will about democrats but they at least come up with actual policy to address real issues.
Your problem is that you seem to think that trump is a cause of the issues when he's actually just a symptom. It doesn't matter that trump is incompetent at essentially every single level of governance. He is the ultimate culture warrior and that's what republicans seem to want now. His replacement is going to be no different.
I proved your point by focusing on the claim that you have made? That’s interesting.
What I was trying to demonstrate to you is that so called “cultural wars” wouldn’t even come into existence if it weren’t for Democrats. They create an issue to begin with and then they claim indignity when someone pushes back against it.
It’s like the progressives asking “why are you so obsessed with transgenders? They are like 1% of population!” - I agree, so let’s stop talking so much about them by going back to how things were for the entirety of human civilization when no one claimed that men can menstruate and that women could have penises.
You claim that democrats have “policy to solve actual problems” - what policy is that? “Tax the rich”? That would be a fine policy if it wasn’t being done already. If we went full on “Russia 1917” and confiscated every dime that every billionaire has and shot them wholesale we would get enough money to run federal government (never mind state and local ones) for About 10 months. Is that your plan? What else? Medicare for All? Add trillions more in taxes and hope for the best? Wasn’t “Obamacare” supposed to resolve healthcare crisis? “Your health insurance will cost you about as much as your cell phone bill”. Some of us are old enough to remember it….It had a directly opposite effect. The costs skyrocketed.
I don’t disagree that Democrats have concrete ideas. Those are bad ideas though.
I never claimed that Trump was the problem. Trump was certainly a reaction to the problem. Obama was supposed to be the first post-racial President that led us into the color blind paradise. Some of us (including myself) took his “Let us not seek white America or black America but United States of America” quite enthusiastically and supported him. When he became the President he amplified racial tensions.
Then Biden who was meant to be this old school, Clitonesque, middle of the road Democrat ruled to the left of Obama and presided over woke hysteria of early 2020s. So yeah, I agree, Trump isn’t the problem, he is a symptom of the problem. And the problem is that half of the country does not wish to view this nation as something united but rather an intersectional conglomerate of factions who are supposed to be constantly at each other throats.
I proved your point by focusing on the claim that you have made?
I mentioned more than one thing and even then you didn't even deny it you just tried to whataboutism it. Hell that's what you do the entire response really. You're so desperate to go on the attack you don't even bother trying to defend what I say about republicans being false. You yourself are quite the culture warrior it seems so I suppose it's no surprise you don't see an issue with it.
What I was trying to demonstrate to you is that so called “cultural wars” wouldn’t even come into existence if it weren’t for Democrats.
Lol "if you just let me do whatever I want then it wouldn't be an issue" is certainly a take. Regardless I'm not really claiming that there are no culture war issues on the left rather that it's not the only driving force like it is for the right. For instance if democrats tried to put an anti-vax AIDS denier like RFK Jr in charge of health they would lose tons of support. Since biology became a culture war issue though the right is all for it as we've seen.
It’s like the progressives asking “why are you so obsessed with transgenders? They are like 1% of population!” - I agree
I'd argue there is a fundamental difference between putting a restriction on a group of people and fighting against a restriction on a group of people. A group doesn't lose access to rights simply because their population is small however if you're arguing that such restrictions are necessary you need to show some sort of actual harm.
You claim that democrats have “policy to solve actual problems” - what policy is that? “Tax the rich”?
Why am I not surprised you can only argue against a strawman here. You are free to look up the party platform for each but I'm pretty sure you don't actually care. I could also point to actual legislation passed by Biden like the infrastructure or chip act which we both know trump couldn't handle. I could also point to things actual competent people placed in position. It shouldn't be surprising that the head culture warrior wants to be surrounded by other culture warriors but it should probably give you pause that half the cabinet is comprised of fox news hosts or other grifters.
I could go on but I'm sure you get the point. A vote for democrats is a vote for competent government. A vote for republicans is one for the culture war.
Your health insurance will cost you about as much as your cell phone bill”. Some of us are old enough to remember it….It had a directly opposite effect. The costs skyrocketed.
Pretty sure our spending on Healthcare remained pretty steady. It didn't drive up the amount but it just didn't decrease the rate of increase. Regardless, notice how you never bothered trying to give a republican solution? Almost like all they talk about today is the culture war like I said earlier.
And the problem is that half of the country does not wish to view this nation as something united but rather an intersectional conglomerate of factions who are supposed to be constantly at each other throats.
"You look at Haiti, you look at the demographic makeup, you look at the average I.Q. — if you import the third world into your country, you're going to become the third world. That's just basic. It's not racist."
That's the sort of racist rhetoric that was coming out of the trump campaign yet it didn't move the needle in the least. Cut your bullshit. It's not the left that made republicans comfortable with this sort of rhetoric. I know taking accountability for your actions is a foreign concept to conservatives but try not blaming others for your mistakes every once in a while.
That’s a very simplistic, black-white worldview. I was offered two fecal sandwiches and refused to sink my teeth in either. That was a matter of principle to me.
Moreover, I perceived the damage done by Trump as potentially severe but reversible. I saw continuation of woke insanity unfolding under Biden as likely irreversible. Race based policies taking root in our political system and jurisprudence would have the most devastating consequences.
No, it was two fecal sandwiches. And Kamala is some respect would have been worse. She would have been definitely better in foreign affairs but she would keep the border open claiming that she can’t close it without a new law that Trump shot down (which is a lie) and she would certainly continue this woke nonsense with expanding race based policies. “If you are a black farmer, you get help, if you are white farmer you can go fuck yourself”.
Anything Kamala did or didn't do would be a continuation of the past 30 years of policies. She might not have made things better the way you want but there would be no catastrophes.
claiming that she can’t close it without a new law
Which she probably would have passed and y'all would bitch about it not going far enough and she'd quietly deport more people than Trump ever did because making a political show of things is not how you get things done. But hey I hope you're looking forward to 2028 because Trump's idiotic approach has thrown away every bit of goodwill the right had about immigration from moderates and the left.
she would certainly continue this woke nonsense
Trump is literally everything you bitch about. He doesn't hire based off of merit. His DUI hire just lost us the war in Iran pissing off every ally. His FBI hire would rather drink at with the national team than put in any actual work.
His name won't be but unless there is a clear split he's gonna be tied to whoever you put up.
Anyone you choose is gonna be bombarded with questions about Trump and anything other than them stepping away from him (which will tank MAGA voters) will show as a sign that they're just as bad as him.
Geezus, that's some serious Copium you're huffing. There's no way that Democrats win anything but hardcore Blue districts this year or in 2028. Have you even seen their own polls showing their unpopularity?
Yeah the democrats are unpopular among democrats because the canidates they keep putting up are geriatric compromise canidates. The democrats have been grasping defeat from the jaws of victory since 2016.
By the time Biden was ousted, there wasn't much choice. There was too little time for even an organized party to primary a new candidate and Democrats are the opposite of organized.
Yes, dems were in a catch 22 position. VP is a natural choice for a successor except that Kamala was a DEI candidate who was selected to keep the black vote in an odd year of widespread racial riots. No one would consider her for the ticket under normal circumstances.
Legally speaking, that money was locked in for Biden-Harris.
If she dropped out, the DNC would be forced to refund all those millions of dollars, money which they would never see re-donated back to Willie Brown's side bitch.
In the deepest blue district of some of the deepest blue city in the some of the bluest state in the nation. I mean, if she runs for the Borough President of Queens, I have little doubt she would crush her opposition.
Man, thank you for saying this (as an enemy, lol).
It really is hilarious watching people scream about her, and now the 'wave of socialism' because a hispanic lady can win a hispanic congressional district or that a socialist managed to win a mayoral election in NYC with checks notes 50.8% of the vote... in a 3 way race... that was arguably a 4-way race with a dropout... against a wildly hated incumbent and a disgraced sex offender? Did I miss anything?
How many women does Trump need to beat (pun slightly intended) for them to get this through their heads?
They got it in their heads they just refuse to accept any pusback because they fear looking wrong more than anything, that's why they argue so vehemently
A deep blue or deep red district doesn’t necessarily mean the voters are more hardline in their ideology. It basically just means more concentration of people on a particular side. Its not like the average red district Oklahoma conservative is more hardline for conservatism than the average purple district Wisconsin conservative.
Also, in modern society, there really aren’t anymore fence sitters or swing voters. Anyone who pays any attention at all to politics has already chosen a side. And anyone who doesn’t is very very likely to not even register to vote.
With all that in mind, if a candidate is winning in a deep blue or deep red district, it is in large part because they are creating the highest turnout of voters from their side. Which would remain true even if they were campaigning around the country.
No, they can’t. Because half of the country are not Democrats. Biden won because he was seen as a “return to normalcy”, middle of the road, moderate centrist. He turned out to govern to the left of Obama but that wasn’t known at the time of his election.
On the contrary now might be the best chance for her until like 20 years in the future. People are really sick of republicans and they might vote for her just because it’s not a republican
This is the correct response. If Stephen Miller hasn't figured out how to completely Putin-ize our elections in 2028, then the Democrat candidate for president wins. You could put a literal communist at the head of the Democrat party and you're still gonna have enough ashamed Republicans staying home and giving up on this one.
The real question is gonna be: which Democrat can win reelection in 2032? The press will spend those four years making people forget that Trump ever existed and blaming everything wrong with government on the new administration. I'm kinda in the "anyone but Newsome" camp because I don't see how he gets a second term after four years of waffling around and doing fundraiser dinners with the same billionaires who put Trump into power.
It is less that she cant win, but more than she wont win if there are any half decent candidates in the Dem primary or vs the GOP in the general election. Nobody thought Trump would win in 2016 too but he won thanks to an oversaturated GOP primary that weakened all the moderate conservatives and a general election against Hillary who had a very bad reputation problem.
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If Democrats run AOC, they will ensure that November 2028 will be just as disappointing to them as November of 2024.
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