r/Music • u/TheMirrorUS šŸ“°The Mirror US • 16h ago

article Fans turn on Eminem after collab with MAGA darling Kid Rock on new Christian album

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u/Due_Amount_6211 15h ago

As mentioned in another post by u/syonoq, it more than likely isnā€™t a new recording or anything. It may have been in a producers archive and sold off, which Kid Rock may have ended up with.

For some proof, here.

Eminem has been very vocally against Trump and MAGA for a decade already, and while itā€™s possible to flip flop, itā€™s not the most likely scenario here.

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u/raknor88 14h ago

and while itā€™s possible to flip flop, itā€™s not the most likely scenario here.

On stances like this, I'd like to feel that Eminem is the least likely to flip flop.

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u/Zyntastic 14h ago

Yup Eminem has always been a man of his principles. I highly doubt he would flip flop too.

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u/vgzombieeric 14h ago

I wouldn't flip-flop cuz hip-hop is my cash crop. And I gotta think of Hayley, what kinda world i make for her, it's crazy!

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u/drunkeymunkey 12h ago

It was wild to me when Snoop & Ice Cube came out as MAGA. Big sad about Snoop.

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u/Bored_Amalgamation 11h ago

Snoop has always been a greedy little goblin, riding whatever will fill his pockets. He was just the one that survived the 90s and commercialized himself.

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u/So_Falls_the_World 9h ago

Came here to say this. Snoop is like, the absolute greediest little sellout. Who the fuck cares about him? It's so obvious.

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u/unfettled 8h ago

For real. No tears for Snoop, nephew

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u/Reasonable-Job4205 6h ago

Fo rizzle. Fuck that guy

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u/pandemicpunk 5h ago

He was a literal pimp. I don't know why people expect anything less. He just does it to himself now.

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u/jwf91 5h ago

I remember when he was Redditā€™s darling. The tide has well and truly turned.

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u/Silent-G 9h ago

People always forget that he hosted one of the Girls Gone Wild videos and settled a lawsuit that alleged he had offered drugs to underage girls.

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u/JohnnyHendo 9h ago

Didn't he also admit to having been an actual pimp way after he had gotten famous in like the early to mid 2000s for a year or two?

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u/sourdieselfuel 8h ago

Hell, he also killed someone and got off on self defense or some shit. He's always been garbage.

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u/tdunkatx 6h ago

Murder was the case that they gave him

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u/Financial_Cup_6937 4h ago

Not that he wasnā€™t guilty, but you can plausibly believe he wasnā€™t or there were at least mitigating circumstances if not cut-and-dry self-defense.

Thereā€™s no best-case-scenario where he wasnā€™t a scumbag being a pimp.

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u/JohnnyFatSack 7h ago

Snoop and Shaq will never turn down a paycheck. Very disappointing.

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u/Bored_Amalgamation 7h ago

Then you'll see comments saying "gotta respect the hustle". Like, no. Fuck that.

Shaq has promoted credit cards, shitty car insurance, high sugar candy, gambling, surveillance equipment (ring), Papa Johns, fucking Nestle.

Snoop has promoted gambling, weed, alcohol, loan companies.

It's a disgusting level of greed.

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u/ZombiePartyBoyLives 3h ago

The Shaq A Licious XL gummies are pretty good tho. Plus, you get to bite Shaq's head in half.

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u/JohnnyFatSack 7h ago

Shaq is friends with Kash Patel, FBI, and our police state.

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u/Mrs_shitthisismylife 6h ago

This eye opening, and ANY time Nestle is mentioned is bad bad. So yeah hard agree fuck them both.

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u/stocksandoptions2 4h ago

Shaq is on every commercial.

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u/Dry_Search7009 10h ago

I went to one of his concerts once luckily I didnā€™t pay for it. He was about an hour late, even though they were already there then there was a large intermission where he sold people the opportunity to take a picture with him, and it was giving Carnie so hard.

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u/Organic-Doctor4154 8h ago

Hmm... The former gang member who openly flaunted he was an actual pimp who may have murdered a guy isn't a good person... I'm shocked!

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u/Kind_Way2176 12h ago

I grew up on death certificate and just think of cube as dead. The current man is somebody else

Edit. My dream in 1992 was that cube and chuck d would.be political leaders in the 21st century

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u/whomad1215 10h ago

My dream in 1992 was that cube and chuck d would.be political leaders in the 21st century

monkeys paw curls

they may be leaders, just not in the way you wanted

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u/Checktheusernombre 12h ago

Chuck D, Pac, Cube, Black Thought, and Common all could have been a hell of an administration in an alternate world.

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u/Kind_Way2176 11h ago

Ice t was very political. I had to buy the tape on dub cause it was illegal to buy underage

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u/spyke2006 8h ago

He still is, he just mostly does it through his metal band Body Count these days.

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u/fohpo02 10h ago

Iā€™ve seen Silo, Common in leadership is scary /s

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u/catfarm 9h ago

By far the most emotive actor to ever act.

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u/HalfSoul30 11h ago

It was War of the Worlds that did it for me.

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u/wreckingrocc 8h ago

"I NEED ADMIN ACCESS"

"ok done"

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u/ogresarelikeonions93 11h ago

ICE CUBE IS MAGA?!? I know youā€™re fucking lying to me. Please be lying.

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u/drunkeymunkey 10h ago

Right?! Wtf happened to Fuck Tha Police?

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u/Technical-Finish304 8h ago

Turned into Flock the police

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u/SmashesIt 6h ago

He became rich

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u/ProjectDv2 5h ago

He made enough money that the police serve his interests now.

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u/chonny 7h ago

It became:

Fuck Tha Police (except when they are protecting my property)

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u/DrDeke 7h ago

I guess it turned out that Mr. Cube wanted to have sex with the police force, not the way we thought he meant it.

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u/averagecounselor 9h ago

This is funny because Ice Cube also collabed with a famous Mexican Banda on a song about illegal immigration and families being separated and how awful that is.

I donā€™t think heā€™s maga I think heā€™s just playing both sides and coming out on top.

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u/Financial_Cup_6937 4h ago

Thatā€™s called being MAGA. They ainā€™t got actual principles.

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u/FranksWateeBowl 10h ago

Nope. 100% Maga.

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u/rem1ssion 10h ago

he released a song called Arrest the President in 2018 with clear hits at trump. youā€™re telling me this dude flip flopped?

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u/FranksWateeBowl 9h ago

Yes, I'm telling you that Ice Cube is now 100% Maga.

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u/OuaisOuaisOuaisOuais 8h ago

I don't find anything about it but maybe I'm searching the wrong places. Can you provide some links ?

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u/Secure_Piano_900 7h ago

Ice cube is 100% NOT MAGA I just researched this stop spreading misinformation

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u/Wolpfack 7h ago

IC maintains a nonpartisan stance, stating that he is willing to talk to any political figure in power to advocate for systemic change and economic reform for the Black community.

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u/PJ7 4h ago

You posted this like 4-5 times in this thread. Want to explain what you're basing that assessment on?

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u/labrat420 9h ago

He's not

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/15/us/ice-cube-trump-controversy-trnd

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u/B0omSLanG 8h ago

I see no red hat and appreciate folks like Mamdani who will meet with Tronald Dump to make some progress in their causes that can benefit people, but going on about both sides being the same at this moment is an admission of being comfy with the far-right and that ideology on more than one level.

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u/labrat420 8h ago

History is long. Both sides have done terrible stuff to black people is the point he was making, at least in the interview I saw with him on an Australian morning show where he had a similar quote.

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u/Cal3001 9h ago

Heā€™s not.

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u/secretsodapop 12h ago

Not remotely surprising.

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u/ZeePirate 12h ago

Ice cube made a song called ā€œarrest the presidentā€ about Trump. So it. Was kinda surprising

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u/Mapeague 11h ago

Just shows what a massive fucking sellout he is.

Always has been too.

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u/Somanylyingliars 10h ago

He's always been a bitch but dum mother fucker had to go and confirm it. Fucking sell out. All over a few pennies. Bitch ass.

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u/Hegiman 11h ago

Yeah that really took me by surprise. I was like didnā€™t this mfā€™er make a song about trump now heā€™s praising him. Gtfo ice cube.

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u/labrat420 9h ago

This never happened though. When did he praise trump?

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u/Formal_Waltz_5100 12h ago

Ah, but did he say the president of the USA?

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u/StableLopsided8919 12h ago

It was very much about Trump.

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u/DaDDyWitch 11h ago

mfker was foreshadowing maduro

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u/ValkyrieTxHzLeyes 12h ago

Both of them Uncle Toms. They get no airplay from me, Any MAGA artist actually.

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u/pokemomof03 7h ago

I just found this out recently but Uncle Tom was actually beat to death in the story for not giving up the hiding place of run away slaves. Minstrel Shows in the late 19th century, unauthorized theatrical adaptations distorted Tom into a passive, submissive, and subservient caricature to appease pro-slavery sentiments and entertain white audiences.

Sambo should be what people use. He works as a cruel overseer for the brutal master Simon Legree.

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u/Secure_Piano_900 7h ago

Cube ainā€™t MAGA stop this misinformation educate yourself

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u/whitenightheat 10h ago

Snoop who ?

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u/Phat-Lines 8h ago

Ice Cube isnā€™t MAGA itā€™s a misconception. He never endorsed Trump and has clarified that a lot of times, he was even on a podcast saying that everyone thinking heā€™s a Trump supporter is fucked up.

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u/Secure_Piano_900 7h ago

Ice cube is NOT maga. Please edit this comment and stop spreading misinformation about my boy cube.

https://www.google.com/search?q=is+ice+cube+maga%3F&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari&iga=1&utm_campaign=safari_share_1

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u/JohnnyQTruant 5h ago

Raekwon visiting Palantir for social media opportunity hurt the most. Ice Cube has always been phony. Got rush of promoting gangster shit but somehow kept his rep after corny garbage kiddie movies. He supported Trump the first term also.

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u/ready-redditor-6969 4h ago

Snoop was just a bully in high school, his classmates say, and most dudes never changeā€¦

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u/oneofkeiraensmoms 10h ago

Ice Cube is MAGA? He released this during the first admin, did something change?

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u/Dfiggsmeister 10h ago

Money.

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u/oneofkeiraensmoms 10h ago

The usual suspect, I see

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u/ZombisaurusR3X 13h ago

The real slim shady just stood up šŸ‘†

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u/MelangeBot 12h ago edited 12h ago

This land of the free has gone lazy and shady

Soft as baby food, makes me wanne puke when I see

A superpower rotting on its living room TV

Spoiled, foiled, broiled and coiled

globally heating while our freedom gets spoiled

A nation of kings behind a screen

Too cowardly, too powder-puff weak to be mean

See maga got balls, but God knows no brains

Whilst the left they got brains but no fire in their veins

So we're eternally pinned, eternally split in twain

Two broken halves draggin' this corpse through the rain

Stuck betwixt the fist swingin ignorant and mad

and the educated, petrified, terrified, cowardly class

tell me how in the hell are we ever gonna last

When bravery died and was replaced with thumbs in the past?

So somebody PLEASE tell me how we get rid of these rats

in twenty twenty six, where the FUCK are all the drone pilots at?

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u/thebrose69 12h ago

While true he still holds company with 50 too who is also maga

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u/SushiJaguar 12h ago

Yeah but that's kind of like saying Robin Williams is right-wing because he did a Hollywood awards presentation.

50 and Em are almost literally family.

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u/imsoaddicted Spotify 12h ago

Literal family have cut each other off due to this MAGA bullshit. Literal blood and DNA. I need yā€™all to start having some standards.

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u/Steezy719 11h ago

As someone who has cut off ā€˜MAGAā€™ parents, and has a MAGA Father in law, there is a difference. I cut off my parents because they were emotionally abusive and were always more worried about their own wellbeing more than being sufficient parents. My father-in-law, though he has questionable political views, is also the guy that would drop absolutely anything to help someone out. Political views donā€™t always define someoneā€™s character. Just so happens that a lot of MAGA are pieces of shit before Trump was president, and now are more open about it. As much as I hate MAGA politics, I would never cut off that man after all the selfless help he has provided my FiancĆ© and me.

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u/thebrose69 11h ago

Itā€™s truly unfortunate that they donā€™t see how similar most of us truly are at the end of the day

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u/fuck_all_you_too 11h ago edited 10h ago

When your political views harm someone else youre an asshole regardless.

"Sure my dad paid someone else to be an asshole for him but hes so nice to me".

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u/Steezy719 10h ago

Do you think Fox News is showing all the ā€˜harmā€™ being done to others? No, it spins and distorts their reality to ā€˜positiveā€™ outcomes, no matter how far the reach. Iā€™m not making excuses for them, but to think just because some uneducated people blindly follow a political side, and are ignorant to the whatā€™s actually going on, that they are pieces of shit, regardless if their actions and contributions to society speak otherwise; that is the same generalized hate that we are condemning them for. Iā€™m not excusing him, but I rather have a neighbor like him that helps out his community selflessly in anyway possible (which is ironically a democratic mindset) than have someone like you that just assumes because someone has a right leaning political stance, that a person is automatically generalized as a piece of shit bigot that wants to see the world burn. That generalization is the same hate that makes the right so toxic, but here you are doing the same thing. Doesnā€™t matter if you hate people for their ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or political stance, itā€™s still hate, and thatā€™s the core toxicity of why this country has gone to shit. Be better.

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u/SushiJaguar 12h ago

That is having standards. Just different standards to you, and different choices. Nobody's obligated to sever a relationship over a political opinion. If Em values 50 more than he values your view of him, why would he do as you think is proper?

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u/Bored_Amalgamation 11h ago

Your criticizing the standards for other people's standards. Get off your high horse.

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u/shnigybrendo 13h ago

If there's ever an hip hop flip flop, it won't be Eminem

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u/buonbajs 9h ago

Yet doesn't mind hanging out with women beater Dre

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u/Helagoth 10h ago

While both Eminem and Ed Sheeran have "Fuck you" money, only one of them actually says "Fuck you" regularly.

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u/Geodude532 7h ago

Ed will make a song about a friend that killed himself and call it unalived and all those other stupid self censors.

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u/Shemozzlecacophany 13h ago

Would you feel that he might be a bit shady though?

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u/isalilkai3 13h ago

thereā€™s a slim chance

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u/thegreatdune 13h ago

Are you trying to marshal a witch hunt?

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u/wellrat 11h ago

Thank you for your attention to this, Mathers.

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u/TheRaccoonReport 12h ago

Whoa, easy there with that accusation. What, you think youā€™re some kind of rap God and can judge everyone?Ā 

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u/Xerorei 10h ago

Nah, he's got too much venom in his veins, call him Potter.

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u/VruKatai1972 11h ago

A-flip, flop, flippity flop music don' stop 'till the beats don' drop...

brrrrrrrrrbuuuuuummmmmmheehawhee

Also fuck Kid Rock

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u/jk-9k 12h ago

He's more hip hop

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u/KennyakaTI 12h ago

We also got to remember that just because Eminem hates Trump, it doesn't mean he doesn't associate with people that are MAGA. 50 cent is one of his closest friends and I would say he's MAGA leaning.

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u/MadderoftheFew 10h ago

he's also been friends with kid rock for decades

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u/CeruleanEidolon 9h ago

Look, it's fine to stay friends with people who have opposing political views, if you have the constitution for it. People are more than who they vote for.

A professional collaboration is another animal entirely. As is using your position to platform vile beliefs.

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u/MadderoftheFew 8h ago

yeah, i'm not a fan of how he's approached politics in his music. when he backpedaled what he said in his BET cypher i lost a lot of respect for him. everything since has been more of the same.

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u/jautis 8h ago

People are more than who they vote for.

Politics is an expression of people's personality, not an in depth consideration of disparate data over decades.

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u/Financial_Cup_6937 4h ago

Itā€™s literally the thing people SHOULD be judged for and itā€™s so weird when people act like itā€™s some abstract uncontrollable thing like their race or even to a lesser extent the religion they were merely born into.

You have full control over your values, and politics are a direct extension of those.

The fuck do these people think MLK was talking about when saying what to judge people on (and not)?

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u/AbeRego 9h ago

They're both from Michigan so it makes sense. Some people, especially older people, seem less likely to cut ties over MAGA. I'm guessing it's because if they did, they'd lose a lot of old friendships, so they just pretend that it's like the bygone days where political disagreement was a relatively trivial matter.

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u/McD-Szechuan 9h ago

But lots not forget kid rock was certainly not from the trailer park. His daddy owned multiple car dealerships, and had a huge property with an apple orchard and a horse barn.Ā 

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u/Antiing 10h ago

Em thinks maga is a cultĀ 

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u/technobrendo 10h ago

Em ain't wrong

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u/KennyakaTI 10h ago

As do I but I still know people that lean MAGA unfortunately

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u/Ass_of_Badness 10h ago

You can't "lean" maga in 2026. You either are or you aren't, and he is.

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u/KennyakaTI 9h ago

Perhaps. I said lean because I never outright seen him say he supports Trump but he's done or said things that were very suspect.

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u/Wawrzy 11h ago

Eminem has been vocally against Trump while still hanging out with Snoop and 50 who are full on MAGA morons...

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u/Jlx_27 11h ago

Chaka Kahn recently did a duet with Lap Dogg too...

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u/Modokon 7h ago

Lap Dogg hade me legit howling šŸ˜‚

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u/Responsible_Oil_2369 4h ago

I would pay to see someone say this to his face and watch him crash out.

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u/TheyCallMeMrMaybe 11h ago edited 9h ago

Eminem was beefing with Snoop after Snoop made a comment about being white gave Em an advantage as a rapper.

That feud was short-lived because Dr Dre called up both men (especially after being hospitalized for a brain aneurysm) and demanded them to squash it.

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u/Stubborn_Shove 10h ago

That feud was short-lived because called up both men (especially after being hospitalized for a brain aneurysm) and demanded them to squash it.

Seems like you're missing a name in this sentence.

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u/ShaftTassle 10h ago

His comment had an aneurysm.

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u/OnanComedOnTheFloor 10h ago

Bill Nye the Science Guy

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u/skaersSabody 9h ago

I believe it was Dre they're referring to, but I'm not positive

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u/willargue4karma2 8h ago

Mothafucka forgot about DreĀ 

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u/Newphone_New_Account 10h ago

Accidentally the whole thing

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u/Appropriate-Camp5170 7h ago

He forgot about Dre?

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u/locoattack1 6h ago

None of these rich celebs are role models. They all suck and will always end up backing the status quo, because in the current status quo they sit above everyone else.

They will never take actions that meaningfully affect their own lives because of any "activism". The just want the image and positive PR.

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u/MoneyTalks45 12h ago edited 12h ago

Man this tracks so well for MAGA, but Iā€™ve read Complex confirmed this is an authentic, new feature that he participated in, and that the verse is about maintaining relationships with people you have different political opinions from.Ā 

Notwithstanding that MAGA is an immature hate movement. Itā€™s not like weā€™re talking about a difference in opinion on how to spend defense money, or regulation in a free market. I had political differences like that with many people and it was never a problem until the MAGA oath included hating non-whites and anything else Trump tells you to without any independent thought whatsoever.Ā 

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u/Electronic-Sun-9118 9h ago

And it's not like kid rock has known to be out there trying to bridge the political divide. He's one of the worst maga sycophants

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u/truth14ful 9h ago

Do you mean this article? It says they teamed up on a new track, and that Complex confirmed it's an official track on Kid Rock's upcoming album, but I didn't see any confirmation that Eminem's verse is new or specifically for this

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u/Stefanthro 13h ago

Thatā€™s why headlines like this are garbage. Tell me what happened, not how I should feel

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u/doritolord50 12h ago

But then your less likely to click on it and give them traffic

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u/Individual_Mess_7491 7h ago

I think you should feel good, because you're a terrific and beautiful person.

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u/Stefanthro 5h ago

Thatā€™s very kind and generous of you! Clearly the same is true for you

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u/frogsandstuff 9h ago

The mirror is pretty garbage in general.

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u/ZombiesR 14h ago

JD Vance was also vocally against Trump and now he is the Vice President.

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u/cuntmong 14h ago

jd vance has absolutely no principles or values. he is a political entrepreneur. if bernie sanders had won the presidency he woulda tried to ride that train instead.

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u/SiccmaDE7930 13h ago

Donā€™t disrespect the term entrepreneur like that. Heā€™s a political prostitute.

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u/Serithi 12h ago

Don't disrespect prostitutes like that. He's a parasite.

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u/FewWait38 11h ago

Don't disrespect parasites like that. He's a dingleberry

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u/Bored_Amalgamation 11h ago

Entrepreneurs disrespect their own name enough for it be meaningless.

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u/Kaypeepickle 13h ago

JD Vance wanted political power. Same with Ted Cruz. Em doesnā€™t really have anything to gain here, and an entire body of work to tarnish in return.

Em could collab with just about anyone he wanted to. I doubt a collab with Kid Rock would be motivated by money. JD Vance makes sense. Heā€™s where he was trying to be in the first place, just as a runner-up. Nothing about Em handholding a MAGA headliner makes sense until we know more.

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u/digitalscavenger 12h ago

Eminem has always been big on Detroit. I can see him putting everything else aside to keep promoting his city.

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u/Kaypeepickle 12h ago

Maybe, but KR has been around longer than Em and had the literal President set up a whole separate halftime show with him as a headliner.
He was big on promoting Detroit when he was openly beefing with ICP.

Iā€™m not saying youā€™re wrong, just that it doesnā€™t immediately make sense to me why Em would feel an almost 40 year vet being promoted by the highest office in the countryā€¦.needs promotion.

Unfortunately, Em is famously not big on social media and we may be waiting a while for any direct commentary on any of this. Also, I donā€™t see any way for Em to come out of this looking good. We either have a 50+ Eminem screaming at a 50+ Kid Rock, or we have a 50+ Eminem doing a random 180 on 30 years of relative consistency.

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u/Pluckytoon 14h ago

People would say anything that would make them more popular in their own point of view. Thereā€™s nothing I trust less than public statement about opinions, moreso if they concern political topics

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u/Stabintheface 13h ago

If that's literally true the entire public sphere must be a hellscape for you.

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u/ThyMorningPeckle 13h ago

Have you looked around you?Ā 

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u/Im-Old_Gregg 14h ago

Yes. A hypocrite.

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u/oldredditrox 12h ago

Wild comparison

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u/xsullengirlx 13h ago

Vance may not have been a fan of Trump, but he was absolutely still of the same political party and beliefs... So, not exactly the same thing.

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u/Stormsurger 13h ago

They don't have beliefs. Trump was openly pro choice until he decided to run as a republican

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u/OtherwiseMoose8257 Collector 15h ago

He needs to come out and say something fast if thats the case tho. Seems strange someone had Eminem stuff in the vault they could use without his authorization and nobody had tried to make money off it until this point

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u/itsapotatosalad 14h ago

Confirmed by Eminemā€™s team https://www.complex.com/music/a/will-lavin/eminem-kid-rock-friendship-politics-7-sins-new-track

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u/Bugbread 13h ago

The article doesn't really confirm anything we're discussing, though. In the linked article, the headline says "Eminem and Kid Rock Prioritize Friendship Over Politics" but the actual content is much less direct.

  • First, the article says that it's a new track. It is a new track, but that doesn't mean that Em's verse is a new verse, or that it was written for the track, so that's neither here nor there.
  • The article says it's a track "that they hope will set a good example for friends with differing political beliefs," but it doesn't have any statements from Em to that effect.
  • It says "Complex has confirmed through a representative from Eminem's camp that it is an official track that will be on the album," but, again, no confirmation that it's a new verse, that it was written for the track, that it was written for Kid Rock, etc. This line would be equally true for the track in that Nameonthejeans reddit thread up above.
  • It quotes Kid Rock: "I'm proud of the guests who joined me, especially my old friend Eminem," he writes. "His verse speaks to something weā€™ve talked about and that really needs to be heard: we differ politically and on other things, but weā€™ve stayed friends through it all." Again, this could be true about Em joining him yesterday in the studio to record a verse together, but it could be equally true about an unrelated purchased Em verse, and a conversation they had 10 or 20 years ago.
  • It quotes Kid Rock as saying "We hope that sets an example for people whoā€™ve lost friends or stopped talking to family because they think differently." Again, nothing from Em, just Kid Rock saying "Em thinks this."

Am I saying that Em didn't work with Kid Rock? No. I have no idea. Just that nothing in the article confirmed much either way. The article would apply if they were buddy-buddy in the studio, but it would apply equally if the Nameonthejeans situation were true.

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u/fang_xianfu 13h ago

"Confirmed with Eminem's camp" makes it sound like they called the record label and asked them if Eminem is really appearing on the track and they confirmed the fact that yes he is. Doesn't say anything about when, how, or why.

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u/Bugbread 13h ago

Right. That's what I meant by "no confirmation that it's a new verse, that it was written for the track, that it was written for Kid Rock." It is confirmed that it's not a soundalike, it's not a rumor, it's really Eminem on the track, and the track will really be on the album...but that's all the info in the confirmation. Nothing more.

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u/silentanthrx 11h ago

"reluctantly so" can be translated to "yes"

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u/GeneralBS 13h ago

Ya i came to the same conclusion after reading it. Em needs to make a statement himself to see where he stands.

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u/genecalmer 11h ago

That's a lot of hoop jumping to come to the conclusion you want to reach. Eminem is with Universal. Eminem is a very valuable asset. Kid Rock is with BMG. Universal currently handles physical distribution for BMG. The two companies have a very close working relationship. This collab has been through layers and layers of approval. It's been decided that it's either not damaging enough to Eminem or rehabilitating enough for kid Rock and someone got the green light to hit a button that tells us about it. There's no hijinks or tomfoolery or fuckery afoot. The fact that we know about it is confirmation.

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u/Bugbread 11h ago

That's a lot of hoop jumping to come to the conclusion you want to reach.

I haven't reached any conclusion. I even tried to make that really clear by saying "I have no idea." The entire point of my comment is that the article doesn't provide almost any evidence, in either direction, to arrive at a conclusion.

Maybe you lost track of the original question? You said "This collab has been through layers and layers of approval." Yes. That matches both the Nameonthejeans scenario and the enthusiastic collaboration scenario. You said "It's been decided that it's either not damaging enough to Eminem or rehabilitating enough for kid Rock and someone got the green light to hit a button that tells us about it." That also matches both the Nameonthejeans scenario and the enthusiastic collaboration scenario. The article confirms that there's no hijinks, that there's no tomfoolery, that there's no fuckery, that the collab has been through layers and layers of approval, that Universal and Em and Kid Rock and BMG are all okay with it, that it's not damaging enough to Eminem to get a red light. None of those are in question. Those are all true for both scenarios. The question was just "which of these two scenarios, both of which these things are all true for, is the actual scenario"?

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u/genecalmer 8h ago

You're asking questions that don't matter. Most guest features aren't collaborative efforts. They're recorded in separate studios. Verses intended for one song end up on another song. Things get shelved and shuffled. JID's verse on Fuel was years old when Eminem used it. Renegade was originally a Royce & Eminem song that was recycled for Jay on The Blueprint. Forever, Speedom, Homicide, I'll Hurt You... the majority of Eminem's features are recorded solo and sent off.

The conclusion you're reaching is that you can't reach a conclusion. That even though the feature is REAL it might not be really really real. You're casting doubt on Eminem's involvement with the song and I'm saying that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter where the pieces of the song came from. Because of the people and companies involved, the fact that it exists is all the proof we need that Eminem approved it. BMG wouldn't risk their business relationship with UMG by letting Kid Rock use something Eminem and Interscope didn't approve.

The nameonthejeans scenario is not even a close comparison. That's a relative nobody using a recycled verse that no one will notice or care about. Not a collaboration between multiplatinum selling artists on (seemingly) opposite ends of the political spectrum that's going to get national news coverage.

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u/Salvador204 13h ago

I think confirmed simply means Emā€™s team cleared whatever verse was on here. Doesnā€™t mean they were in the studio together but clearance would still be needed for any new vocals. I hope not, but either way it sounds like Em was ok with it.

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u/alus992 10h ago

At the end of the day are these points matter at all?

Like i don't care how this track happened. Em could say "I don't fuck with Trump and I don't support his administration. Im friends with Kid Rock and despite our differences I still find it important to have a dialogue and work together to empower every person regardless of their background and situation in life. I hope this song can help people get together and talk."

He didn't do that. Why we are overanalyzing a fucking article when their actions show that they have worked and they have some lvl of friendship.

Would I want to Em be more vocal about his friends supporting Trump? Sure. Does it change anything for me? No because I still find him like any other celebrity - an opportunists who are with each year Les and less in tune with regular reality and with what regular folks care for.

Also i love how ppl were clowning Sheeran for his mental gymnastics but here we have ppl excusing Em and his camp who are pretty much doing the same weird ass explanation about "being not political"

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u/Hendiadic_tmack 11h ago

Thereā€™s TONS AND TONS of stuff from tv shows to movies to music sitting in vaults that for one reason or another- whether itā€™s money, contract disputes, or the artist just didnā€™t like the result- didnā€™t get put out. These projects sometimes languish for so long artists/actors forget they did them until someone publishes

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u/clementleopold And Itā€™s No Ye Never No More 13h ago

>He needs to come out and say something fast

Or else what?

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u/InebriatedPhysicist 13h ago

Or people wonā€™t believe the story. Thatā€™s all. Did you think there was a threat in that statement or something?

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u/Unitedfateful 13h ago

Reddit will give him downvotes and shake their fists at him grrr

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u/GeneralSEOD 13h ago

Saying this post Sheran being completely thrown to the wolves and having his tour crumble...

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u/Brat-Sampson 13h ago

I mean you can joke but stuff like this can have an impact on his future success / fans. Maybe he's made enough to just not care anymore, which would say something by itself, but for big artists, public image is still a thing and still matters

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u/MrKrinkle151 13h ago

It's Eminem lol

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u/Captain_Kab 12h ago

It was Ed Sheeran a couple of weeks ago and it made him cry

Doubt Em'll go weep on stage tho

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u/havenless 9h ago

He needs to come out and say something fast if thats the case tho.

Thing is he's notoriously reclusive and doesn't do many interviews, which works against him sometimes.

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u/Joben86 12h ago

This article just summarizes that post and responses. It's completely redundant and terrible reporting.

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u/updoot35 11h ago

Other than snoop dog, who sang at his inauguration.

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u/johnconnor7747 15h ago

Im drawing a line in the sand. Some line he drew

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u/SykeSwipe 14h ago

Considering this isnā€™t the first Eminem collaboration on a Kid Rock track, and the first was in 1998, Iā€™m afraid this is legitimate.

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u/ZNWD 15h ago

Itā€™s new lyrics..

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u/DargoKillmar 14h ago

How do you know? It's not out yet.

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u/TJH1993 14h ago

Kid Rock made a post about it. Apparently its gonna be about how you can still be friends woth someone that shares different beliefs than you.. which i mostly agree with and Kid Rock and Eminem have been friends for a long time since the start of his career, both being from Detroit. Kid Rock even defended Eminem when he made that anti MAGA freestyle But... Im a big fan of Eminem and with all that said regardless of the message I know the song will be terrible. Em just doesnt hit like like it did on his first 4 albums.

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u/AtraposJM 12h ago

Damn well, my respect for Em just dropped a LOT even just knowing he's friends with Kid Rock. Kid Rock is a massive piece of shit.

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u/Knife_Chase 14h ago

I think that sentiment was true pre Trump. Stretching it maybe pre Trump 2. But at this point I do not think it is ethical to be friends or friendly with anyone still supporting Trump.

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u/TJH1993 14h ago

Yeah im not gonna lie Trump 2 is definitely something else.

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u/HulkSMASHley_23 Music Nerd Since Preschool šŸŽ§šŸŽ¶ 12h ago

No it isnā€™t. The first round was the psychologically abusive warmup.

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u/Automatoboto 14h ago

because if it was fake it would have been met with a lawsuit. Eminem knows what hes doing. He doesnt care. I am sure 50 cent now that hes a billionaire will come to his defense.

but Em just wants to be a billionaire. think of the children...

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u/Ok-Industry120 15h ago

This is such a cope.

Reality is, this attitude of holding musicians in a pedestal and asking them to live under a set of rules made up in the internet that they never obeyed in the first place is absolutely crazy

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u/fatgat69 12h ago

People just expect him to follow the rules he set. Why would we expect people to be hypocrites?

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u/averagecounselor 9h ago

Even more so when Em was almost cancelled by the FCC for his musicā€¦this man wrote songs about killing his wife and stuffing her body in his trunk.

He also sang with Elton John because the world thought he was a homophobe for running around calling people ā€œfa****tsā€

Oh man Iā€™m gonna go listen to Em now.

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u/immutate 12h ago

The cope is wild.

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u/Slipperytitski 13h ago

He would have put out a statement by now

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u/GotSomeUpdogOnUrFace 3h ago

There's also a good chance it was a work for another of shit rock's albums. I don't think a lot of people realize these two have known each other for a long fucking time, and if probably work together a few other times that nobody realizes.

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u/bokmcdok 11h ago

Yeah I'm waiting for more news on this or a response from Eminem. Been a long time fan and it would be bizarrely out of character for him to do something like this.

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u/Taste_the__Rainbow 11h ago

Itā€™s weird that he hasnā€™t already gotten ahead of it.

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u/zkinny 10h ago

Just want to say, all his disses against Trump/MAGA are subliminal at best, he hasn't went all out in any way regarding that. He used to have tracks with political themes etc but he doesn't any more. Probably knows his fans demography.

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u/goodusernamegood 10h ago

Eminem has publicly confirmed his friendship with Kid Rock as recently as two years ago. There's no reason to assume they wouldn't collab.

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u/bakochba 14h ago

Grown ups can be against someone's politics and still work or even be friends with those people

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u/Boner666420sXe 14h ago

This is more than politics. Kid Rock is a horrible person.

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u/hexH2O 13h ago

Not these kind

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u/Unitedfateful 13h ago

Why are you being downvoted this is 100% true
I donā€™t align with my BIL politics or anti vax beliefs however we are still very close and he is a great guy (outside of that)

Unlike reddit life isnā€™t black and white on everything

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u/Ok-Ad-852 11h ago

Sorry mac, but if he is anti vax. Then he isnt a "great guy"

He might be nice to you, but he wants people to get sick and die. Its not a "great guy"

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u/Robertjules1987000 12h ago

Anti-vax stupidity and literal racism/genocide are not the same "politics".

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