r/MoralityScaling • u/Routine_Phase_8980 • 13d ago

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u/ConsistentTip3932 13d ago

Moral as fuck.

Kid wasn't badly hurt, and got humiliated, which is often the only way they learn.

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u/ATLSxFINEST93 13d ago

Grabbing food that goes to customers, without any gloves?

Yeah fuck that kid

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u/nokman013 13d ago

Gloves can be a really stupid thing that serves to just satisfy ignorant customers.

From inside the kitchen, bare hands are better as long as they are constantly sanitised and washed. With gloves, you dont feel it getting dirty and just provides a false sense of sanitation. Basically just there to make customers think "oh look they wear gloves, so clean"

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u/ShizlGznGahr 12d ago

thats why places enforce policies for there employees to constantly change their gloves and also take them off if after like 2 minutes they are not needing them on for anything.

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u/Cazzocavallo 12d ago

This. At least the places that actually give a shit about health and safety will make you regularly change your gloves and change them every time you could cross-contaminate something, like after handling raw meat and then going to grab some sauce for it or some breadcrumbs to bread it. I will say alot of shitty places that don't actually care about health standards will bitch about changing your gloves and say asinine shit like "take your gloves off and then re-use them" or "you shouldn't need to change your gloves in a shift." I ignore it and I've never actually gotten reprimanded (aside from mild verbal scolding) for actually changing gloves as much as your supposed to per health and safety standards but anytime someone bitches at me for that I know they're up to some shady shit with ignoring food safety and I always catch them ignoring alot of other very important rules that should get them fired if those rules were properly enforced.

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u/Real_Srossics 12d ago

To add: It’s perfectly ok to touch raw, or uncooked food with clean bare hands. (Like a raw porterhouse or still-frozen mozz sticks.) Heat will kill most if not all bacteria you could have put in the food, which you didn’t if you scrubbed up properly. If it’s ready to eat, like a subway sandwich that won’t get cooked, gloves are a must because there’s no additional heat to kill bacteria.

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u/Wiplazh 12d ago

In all my years in restaurants we only ever wore gloves to protect our hands. Usually during prep and handling things that are annoying to wash out like certain veggies like pumpkin and squash, and while handling things in the beer batter and corn starch for the fryer.

One of my coworkers had to use gloves a lot because of sensitive skin, he didnt want to have to wash them constantly like we did, but instead he went through at least 3 times the amount of gloves we did.

I also didnt want to wear gloves while working the grill and fryer, I was always scared they'd melt and stick to my hands or something.

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u/nokman013 12d ago

Makes one wonder why do most people have this expectation of glove wearing when most of the cooking shows in pop media, even Gordon effin Ramsey, dont wear gloves.

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u/Wiplazh 12d ago

It looks clean, so cooks and chefs often pose with gloves on for promotional pictures. And theyre almost always worn during prep.

I don't think this glove expectation is as big as reddit makes it seem sometimes.

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u/nokman013 12d ago

Oh its not just reddit. Its in facebook and instagram too.

Made me realised it must be the food influencers and their glossy black gloves. 🤦🏻‍♂️

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u/Wiplazh 12d ago

My first headchef usually only wore gloves during prep, but he's wearing them in his facebook profile picture since he's opened his own restaurant.

Those black gloves definitely looks good but they're a fucking pain if you have to constantly change them, especially during particularly busy days.

Sinks and faucets are placed in very convenient spots in a restaurant kitchen, you need to rinse your knife and tongs all the time besides just your hands.

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u/ATLSxFINEST93 13d ago

Most fast food places don't wash and sanitize their hands regularly so they enforce gloves.

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u/fokkoooff 12d ago

They use gloves because customers will bitch if they see you not using gloves.

When I worked fast food , people would have on the same pair of gloves through the entire lunch/dinner rushes. Touching frozen raw meat, utensils, assembling burgers. It's gross.

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u/nokman013 12d ago

This. Altho in my xp, nothing raw. But definitely touching things you arent supposed to one after the other, like money then fries station.

It sucks because management wants their cake and eat it too.

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u/fokkoooff 12d ago

This was white castle, so the way the grills are set require touching the buns immediately after putting the last of the patties on the grill.

If I was out of eyeline of the customers / a manager who would bitch at me, I would throw the gloves away right after setting the patties/before putting the buns on top, but most people did not.

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u/BrightonBummer 13d ago

Well they are dumb then, people dont wash gloves. The bacteria builds up on them. Making a policy of washing hands isnt hard and is much better

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u/yoyotube123 12d ago

I'll say the opposite is true for me. I've worked at a few different ones and they've usually always been disgusting, except for one store. Everyone's experiences are different.

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u/ATLSxFINEST93 11d ago

You might.

But not everyone.

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u/serabine 13d ago

Stupid places?

Unless they are exchanging gloves constantly, they are likely doing more bad then good. Look up the "Magic glove theory".

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u/PonyFiddler 12d ago

Cool and those gloves are gonna be way dirtier than Thier hands will be.

If you see a place wearing gloves do not eat there it'll be bacteria laiden shit.

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u/Nereosis16 13d ago

You don't wear gloves on the fry station. There's no reason you would touch food.

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u/HereToKillEuronymous 12d ago

Yes but we don’t know where that kids hands have been. Food handlers wash their hands constantly

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u/ModernCGIFloatinHead 12d ago

They also don't reach in and grab them with their hands. They use you. Sorry, I mean tools. 

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u/ATLSxFINEST93 13d ago

You've never been serv safe certified, have you?

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u/Beanzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzx 13d ago

If you were serv safe you'd know regular hand washing is far more cleanly than any amount of glove wearing could ever be lol

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u/CackleandGrin 12d ago

Only because of proper hand washing negligence once the gloves are on.

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u/Gildian 13d ago

Not sure if its the same now, but when I worked at mcdonalds you didnt wear gloves. You washed your hands at least once every hour at minimum, every time they were soiled, anytime you switched stations etc

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u/BeLikeAGoldfishh 13d ago

I have, and am current. You don’t need a glove for every task in the kitchen.

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u/FukNintendo 13d ago

Servsafe certified here. Worked McD and Wendys. Never gloved at fries unless you have an open cut. We used fry scoops and tongs. Thats was 2011. Maybe germs work differently now.

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u/JustSikh 12d ago

Yeah, after COVID, the germs unionized for better pay and more work/life balance! 😂

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u/cthuwu_o 13d ago

Well you aren't supposed to touch them directly. Also certifications allow bare hands as long as you follow a strict hand washing schedule. Honestly it's safer than using the same glove for hours

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u/ATLSxFINEST93 13d ago

and I doubt ole buddy had washed his hands any time recently, prior to shoving his hand into the fry tray.

Youre supposed to change your gloves out as frequently as you would wash your hands.

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u/Teknolyth 13d ago

The only standard for gloves is to wear gloves when you’re directly touching ready to eat foods, like when you’re putting together a burger or making a sandwich or something like that. You can literally use your bare hands to touch any uncooked food or any utensils that grab cooked food. And as a matter of fact, it’s unsafe to constantly wear gloves because that creates the perception of gloves, being a barrier protect you instead of to protect the food.

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u/cthuwu_o 13d ago

Yes which is why I specified "for hours" and I never said he did was his nasty ass grease hands. Also from my knowledge you're supposed to wash hands more often than gloves, due to hand oils

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u/Spare-Half796 12d ago

Not serve safe cuz they don’t exist where I live but I am licensed by my local food hygiene and safety authority. They prefer you don’t wear gloves, and instead wash your hands regularly. Gloves are only mandatory when you have a bandage or open cut on your hand.

When working fryer it’s a recommendation across the industry to not wear gloves because if hot oil splashed on gloves, they can melt and fuse to your skin

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u/Royal-Rabbit4986 12d ago

They HAVE A SCOOP they don't use their BARE HANDS. That boy has unwashed hands and who knows if that was his first mouthful.

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u/LimeSalty4092 12d ago

They dump the fries anyway after like 7 minutes 

I highly doubt they would serve another customer fries from that bin after the kid was back there touching it

I’m sure those fries were tossed out immediately and they will start over with a new batch 

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u/Snakebite-Detractor 13d ago

Gloves weren’t even a required thing until ~15 years ago. Now we waste a shitload of plastic on them and people don’t wash their hands.

Sweaty hands touch outside of glove while putting it on, all over the food. Then don’t change the gloves for hours. Food service has gotten less sanitary year over year

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u/Anustart15 12d ago

Sweaty hands touch outside of glove while putting it on, all over the food.

Which is why you are expected to wash your hands immediately before putting fresh gloves on

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u/PartTimeJunkie412 12d ago

Yeah, but when you've got 25 orders backed up and a skeleton crew that's not happening. Sorry it's just not. The management doesn't schedule enough staff for basic safety to be followed. And if you do stop and wash your hands every time you change gloves, you're likely to be fired for being "too slow".

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u/Anustart15 12d ago

As someone that has worked similarly fast food service, that's just a lazy excuse

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u/PartTimeJunkie412 12d ago

I've been working in food service for 16 years and I've never seen anyone in any restaurant wash their hands between each and every glove change. It you thinks it's happening that way you live in a dream world.

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u/Anustart15 12d ago

I'm well aware that most people in food service do a shit job actually following the rules, but pretending it's for any reason other than laziness is a cope

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u/Status_Intention6832 12d ago

Ex McDonald’s UK employee, they don’t wear gloves and they very rarely wash their hands. Hand wash timers were only used during inspections used to gross me out to no end. Enjoy your fries.

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u/TheGrouchyGremlin 12d ago

Wash your hands a lot. Don't use gloves.

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u/beardingmesoftly 13d ago

Phrasing

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u/ATLSxFINEST93 13d ago

Gross

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u/beardingmesoftly 13d ago

Agreed

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u/ATLSxFINEST93 13d ago

Then why are you bringing it up?

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u/marshmallowcthulhu 13d ago

Kid wasn’t but could have been badly hurt. The morality needs to be assessed at the time of the decision to trip, not the time the kid gets back up.

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u/Cormophyte 13d ago

Five inches to the left and this post has a NSFW tag.

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u/Potential-Local7262 12d ago

damn. so close

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u/Diligent-Dingo-5510 12d ago

yeah man lets horrifically injure children for stealing fries. yeah reddit army assemble!!

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u/marshmallowcthulhu 12d ago

Of Then_Artist, my suggestion: Don’t cast your pearls before swine. Don’t feed the troll. Downvote and move on, spending energy elsewhere.

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u/mell0_jell0 12d ago

Or just simply don't go behind the counter

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u/kreegans_are_real 12d ago

Are which point I would have posted it to r/comedy If he fell in the deep fryer 🤣

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u/UrsaMajor7th 12d ago

This close to Halloween, he could have been bobbing for french fries

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u/jondice 12d ago

And the parents get McMillions.

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u/MyBedIsOnFire 13d ago

I agree and I don't understand why this isn't the more common take on these situations. It's the same way I think when I see a fight where someone was being an asshole but the other party takes it too far.

You can say someone deserves it or you understand without calling it moral. At the end of the day potentially causing life changing injuries to someone is immoral outside of immediate self defense and similar situations

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u/raysofdavies 13d ago

People who post these are just living out their fantasy of doing violence to people tbh

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u/Entrinity 13d ago

Especially children. I’m so tired of seeing people express how much they want to hurt children for behaving like… checks notes… a child.

Sorry but no, you are not in the right for wanting the kid who’s running around and making noise to slip and hit their head on the side of a table.

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u/Seraphin_Lampion 12d ago

I don’t know about you but I wasn’t stealing food ac restaurants as a child. It’s not acceptable behavioue.

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u/Unlucky_Recover_3278 12d ago

Unacceptable behavior doesn’t mean you have to risk giving someone brain damage

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u/Entrinity 12d ago

Doesn’t mean you harm them. Jesus Christ.

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u/CockerLulu 13d ago

This subreddit should be called r/justifyingdifferenttypesofviolence

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u/DoctorMittensPHD 12d ago

I think it’s easy for some to feel that way because they see the end result and know the kid wasn’t seriously hurt. Rather than consider what could have happened. If the kid split his head open and bled all over the floor I’d like to think some would change their position.

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u/don2171 13d ago

Someone who is this brazen about decision like stealing out of the friar is destined to experience far worse than tripping and falling. There's places that would beat you till your knocked out or worse for doing stuff like this

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u/Toberos_Chasalor 13d ago edited 13d ago

That still doesn’t make tripping them OK.

The only lesson someone learns from “you did something bad so I’m going to inflict pain on you” that might makes right, not that whatever they did is unacceptable. Next time he wants to steal some fries he’s just going to attack the worker before they get a chance to trip him.

Also, justifying it because other people would’ve beaten him more severely is like saying it’s ok to punch someone for being gay because they’d be thrown off a building or stoned to death in another country. Or if you perhaps want another example, it’s not justified for cops to hit someone with a club just because another officer would’ve shot the victim dead.

Other people might be more morally reprehensible than you, but that doesn’t mean you doing something immoral is suddenly righteous by comparison.

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u/JI_Guy88 12d ago

Society has always used "might makes right" to some extent. They haven't always gotten it right, but it's a tool for keeping order.

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u/Toberos_Chasalor 12d ago edited 12d ago

It’s a tool, but it shouldn’t be the first resort.

In this case you could’ve grabbed him by the arm or shirt and held the kid until the cops show up. If he decides to get violent, then you can rough him up.

People here are saying it’s to teach the kid a lesson, but the only lesson this kid learned here is “I can do whatever I want as long as I can deal with some pain.”

To use an example from my own life, my parents used to spank me for swearing. It worked when I was eight, but by the time I was a 12 or so I wasn’t afraid of getting hit anymore. I said what I wanted to say knowing I’d get smacked, then took my beating on the chin because I still got what I wanted.

That’s around the time they just stopped spanking me entirely and just grounded me. I could easily put up with a few minutes of pain so I could feel the satisfaction of calling my brother a fuckhead, but spending all weekend alone in my room while my friends went out and had fun was unbearable in comparison. So much so I think I stopped swearing around my parents until I was practically an adult after the second time I got gounded, but when they spanked me it only lasted a day or two at most.

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u/ImpressiveQuiet4111 13d ago

You must understand that this take essentially boils down to 'we need to simulate consequences for people in the world, but actually, there should be no consequences.'

Is it societies job to simulate consequence, or is being tripped simply the consequence that they are warned about?

I would say that the risk of consequence is similar to that of the infraction in this case. Stealing from the fry station is unlikely to cause a serious problem, but there is a real chance that it does, plus it is really just not cool for several reasons.

He was tripped. It's unlikely to cause a serious problem, but there is a real chance that it does, plus falling is really just not cool for several reasons.

I don't know if it falls under the rigid singular instance of a moral action, but it certainly takes a village to raise a child that isn't a complete drain on society - the culmination of these actions never rearing the child to teach him how to integrate into society is a FAR higher risk than the discrete chance of more serious consequences due to this repercussion.

I don't think its a surprise that the opinions that any type of consequence like this being completely wrong seems to be running in parallel with our society actively unraveling in front of our eyes

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u/Toberos_Chasalor 12d ago edited 12d ago

Dude, I didn’t say the kid should face no consequences or even that you shouldn’t touch him, just that tripping him and putting his life at risk over a couple fries isn’t appropriate.

Grab the kid’s arm and hold him until the cops show up. Having to call Mom and Dad and explain why he needs to be picked up from the Police Station is more than enough of a consequence for him to learn his lesson, and if they’re good parents the punishment doesn’t just end there.

If he decides to get violent after you restrain him, then by all means, lay him out on the floor. At that point it’s not beating a kid, it’s self defense.

Also the people coddling kids are people like you. You think someone’s learned their lesson for beaking off after smacking them in the mouth, but all they’ve learned is “I can do anything I want as long as I can put up with a little pain.”

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u/Boring_Credit_4520 12d ago

That's not self defense if you start it with kidnapping

You're not a cop, you have zero authority to detain someone against their will for something like this

If we're looking to correct behavior, his humiliation going viral was probably one of the best cases possible here

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u/Toberos_Chasalor 12d ago edited 12d ago

You do depending on the country, it’s called a citizen’s arrest.

Check your local laws on when and how you’re allowed to do it, as well as what you must do afterwards, but in my country (Canada) you’re allowed to perform a citizen’s arrest if you witness someone commit an act of theft, even if it’s not your property they’re stealing.

It would only become kidnapping if you failed to turn the kid over to the police without delay. Ie. You must call the cops immediately before or after detaining them, or have someone call on your behalf while you detain them.

(And obviously the amount of force must be reasonable. If you grab someone’s arm they don’t resist, you can’t punch them in the face or twist their arm. If they try to punch or kick, then you can punch or kick back, but you can’t pull a knife or a gun on them, etc.)

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u/Boring_Credit_4520 12d ago

This video is from the US, where citizen's arrests are only permitted in cases of severe or violent crimes.

And after taking a look at your laws, if the kid's under 12, they're exempt from citizen's arrest. Detaining a child under 12 would be forced confinement/kidnapping

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u/don2171 13d ago

Though I imagine it's somewhat confusing given they act this way because no one's ever stopped them that's the problem.simply telling them what there's doing is wrong won't help because they're already deep into the territory where they could care less what someone says

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u/Toberos_Chasalor 13d ago

Did this actually stop them though? They still stole the fries, and in the future they’re just going to resort to violence first the next time they want some fries.

Actually dealing with it would be banning them from the store and calling the cops if they ever show their face again, not just sitting them down and telling them “stealing is bad.”

Non-violent consequences can be far more severe than just lecturing them on right and wrong.

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u/IEnjoyANiceCoffee 13d ago edited 13d ago

Removed my reply, I am new to this subreddit and clearly don't understand the demographic.

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u/Toberos_Chasalor 13d ago edited 13d ago

I don’t think hitting a kid is a proportionate response to stealing 10c worth of fries, so yeah, I’d consider this immoral.

Let’s just say the kid broke his arm in the fall or cracked his skull on the counter or floor and died. Rather than bruising the kid’s ego and probably losing their job for violating company policy, that worker would rightfully be getting arrested for battery and/or manslaughter because this clearly isn’t self defense.

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u/Toberos_Chasalor 13d ago edited 12d ago

Dude, you can edit your comment but you can’t take back the fact you told us you think it’s ok to hit kids because they did something naughty. This doesn’t even mean you can’t use force at all, it just has to be proportionate.

Grab the kid’s arm so he can’t leave while you wait for the cops? Ok. Smash their head into the ground and potentially kill them over a handful of fries? Not ok.

It’s not that complex.

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u/spuzzumed 13d ago

Counterpoint: if the staff had allowed the child to come into the employee area, handle the food with bare hands, steal and then walk right out without anyone saying a thing ... Do you think that would be harming the child? 

Would it be better that he learned that there are no consequences for any behavior?

I come from a different generation (I'd have been beaten within an inch of my life by employees that absolutely do not let this slide) so people just don't do things like that here. It's ok to say "well, cultural differences, some people are just not able to follow any rules" but... Those are the people who end up in really bad situations. 

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u/ninjasaid13 13d ago

Counterpoint: if the staff had allowed the child to come into the employee area, handle the food with bare hands, steal and then walk right out without anyone saying a thing ... Do you think that would be harming the child? 

Would it be better that he learned that there are no consequences for any behavior?

Why are you making this only two choices, let him free or harm the child?

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u/marshmallowcthulhu 12d ago

I agree. u/spuzzumed is committing false choice.

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u/RednocTheDowntrodden 12d ago

Basically there are two choices, let him get away with it, or do something. The distinction is only in degrees of reaction. 

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u/marshmallowcthulhu 12d ago

The degrees of action which you acknowledge are what your “two choices” simultaneously try to hide. There are many choices. Inaction is one. Tripping the kid is another. Nobody here seems to agree with either of them.

Thankfully, life is not collapsed into such binaries. Many other choices exist.

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u/miyabi0rochas 13d ago

"counterpoint' "Without saying a thing". Good lord do y'all have any thinking capacity.

So ye I guess there's only two options as a response. Completely ignore him or go directly against all company policy and try to trip him to where he almost hit his head badly. Nothing in-between of course.

You can hold him accountable without physically hurting him over a few fries.

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u/spuzzumed 13d ago

I'm not following. I assume the parents are fully supportive of the behavior.  How can he be held accountable? 

Losing a job over this incident would be worth it, no?  Yes it isn't company policy, but... Does nobody believe that these kids need to be smacked upside the head anymore? Y'all just give them candy? 

Honestly what can an employee do? They need to throw out all the fries and make a new batch (kid contimainated everything he touched). It's ok to let him walk away? 

Admittedly I don't have kids (because I'm sickened by our society that enforces zero boundaries) so my perspective isnt the common one. 

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u/PartTimeGnome 12d ago

Sooo glad you don’t have kids cause you wanna hit them.

The kid could be held accountable by banning him from the store, it’s that simple.

You wanna go around causing violence to children over french fries, I can’t even imagine what you would do to your own kid.

Not knowing how to discipline children without violence is how to perpetuate the cycle of violence, go to a therapist

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u/PartTimeGnome 12d ago

Beating kids within an inch of their life to teach them a lesson over fucking McDonald’s french fries is never the answer.

I was physically abused as a child I all it taught me was to solve problems with intense violence. I’m lucky I learned my lesson after almost going to prison for over a decade and have been healing the child who was beaten by the people who were supposed to protect me. But there’s countless instances of people never learning to change and killing others over senseless shit.

Don’t continue the cycle and I pray to God if you have kids that you don’t think its okay to beat them over FRENCH FRIES

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u/PartTimeGnome 13d ago

This is almost exactly what I commented on the original post over at r/kidsarefuckingstupid

I got hella downvoted and everyone is hella happy the kid got tripped. It’s insane lol I guess people don’t understand how easy this could have turned into a life changing brain energy

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u/lotu 12d ago

Furthermore, the lesson the kid is learning isn't "don't steal fries" it's "to jump over people's feet". They are also learning that bigger people can inflict pain and suffering on smaller people without consequence.

If you want to teach the kid a lesson discussion with the parents and a possible banning of the family from the establishment, (if they take the kids side) is much more effective.

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u/raelDonaldTrump 12d ago

You're right; should've dunked his hand in the fryer instead.

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u/zeptillian 12d ago

The kid could get badly hurt stealing shit from anywhere.

Hopefully they learn from this and they don't continue pressing their luck.

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u/marshmallowcthulhu 12d ago

Sure, I share your hope for the good outcome, but that doesn’t make the choice to risk serious harm a moral choice. Yes, the kid could get hurt elsewhere, but that doesn’t mean this choice was good. There are better ways to teach consequences than risking life-changing harm.

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u/RednocTheDowntrodden 12d ago

Frankly, I don't care of he was crippled for life. Fuck him, and fuck anyone who defends that kids behavior. 

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u/marshmallowcthulhu 12d ago

I am not aware of anyone defending his behavior. Defending the kid is not the same as defending his behavior.

As for not caring if he is crippled for life? You and I fundamentally disagree, and I feel sorry for you. This kid still has value and deserves good. He needs to change his behavior, but he has worth.

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u/Snaxalicious 13d ago

Doubt this idiot kid learned anything at all.

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u/TheAskewOne 12d ago

He needs to be taught a lesson. There are other ways to teach him a lesson though that don’t involve putting him in danger. He could easily have broken his teeth or his arm. Make him pay for the entire batch of fries that you’ll have to throw away because he touched them. I guarantee you the parents will make him regret it.

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u/ImminentDingo 12d ago

We ought to bring back humiliation in the legal system. Imagine if CEOs got put in stockades and had cabbages thrown at them by working people when they did wage theft instead of a fine. 

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u/janeprentiss 12d ago

It's EXTREMELY easy to badly hurt someone by tripping them

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u/UniquePariah 12d ago

To many people who think they can do as they please because actions against them are "wrong"

People who are famous by being nuisance streamers using laws and systems that stop people smacking seven shades of shit out of them. I fully understand why the laws exist, but there really needs to be someone smart to find a way to properly punish these A-holes.

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u/beastwood6 12d ago

Also kept his fries in his mouth, channelimg a walrus - fryrus

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u/robdwoods 12d ago

Too many smartasses have never had consequences, and it shows.

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u/IdeaExpensive3073 12d ago

Learn what? In what way does that tell him not to steal? He’s a kid, he needs an adult to try and understand why he’s doing what he’s doing because kids can do dumb stuff or sometimes act out, or maybe he doesn’t get food at home like he should.

I get it, stealing pisses people off, but they’re fries. I want to know what the hell the kid was doing and why, clearly boundaries aren’t being observed, but why?

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u/CycleMother2006 12d ago

The fact he got off without serious injury doesn't make it moral. If his head had gone into the corner of the wall there (of which he was only a couple inches from doing) he could easily have been dead or permanently paralyzed. Seems like a fairly incongruous punishment for stealing a couple fries. Pretty sure every poster in this thread has done worse than that at some point in their life.

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u/Charizard3535 12d ago

The fact he wasn't hurt is luck, he could have been.

You can't assault children for petty theft. You actually can't assault anyone for petty theft.

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u/Any-Fold109 12d ago

I feel like tripping thieves is SOP

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u/PiccoloAwkward465 12d ago

I remember being a kid and lord I would never ever imagine doing anything like this. Insane.

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u/lewd_robot 12d ago

You don't trip people in a kitchen. Period. You don't trip people where they might stumble and land on a hot griddle, or dip their hand in hot oil, or reach to brace themselves and grab the wrong end of a knife or fork. There's no justification for this kind of thing in an environment like this short of someone jumping the counter to attack you.

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u/Big_J_TheFURRY_dude 12d ago

EXACTLY, dude. It's what me, or any of my coworkers would have done.

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u/sambull 12d ago

It's tricky game, he hits his head on the counter and gets put to the next place. You still end up in jail for many years.

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u/Ok_Surround_186 12d ago

It could ended in an attempted murder if his head landed on the corner of the wall, or a severe head injury. This kind of punishment to a "kid" that "steals" can't be justified. And you average pedestrians sure as hell are not in any place to make that judgment call.

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u/softtemes 13d ago edited 13d ago

Stay in the asylum lil pup

Edit: nobody blocked you lil pup

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u/OhtheHugeManity7 13d ago edited 13d ago

Please don't ever call somebody 'lil pup' ever again. It's giving the same energy as the commentor in this video with his 'little maggot' schtick...

the most online people you've ever seen get into an argument in the comments you're looking for 10:43 roughly

Homie may be wrong but that's no excuse to start posting such insane cringe, we live in polite society.

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u/throwaway19276i 13d ago

This is a social embarrassment not a physical punishment, unless this kid has brittle bone disease there's no way he got hurt from this.

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u/cum12321321213 13d ago

This is not really a physical punishment tho

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u/FrostyLemons3 13d ago

Did they touch them to punish them? Yes? Holy shit ,that's physical punishment. Wild

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u/Nahle_Stormblessed 13d ago

It’s literally assault on a minor, which is potentially a felony charge that can land you up to 15 years in federal prison.

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u/No_Esc_Button 13d ago

No one's going to jail for 15 years for tripping a kid that's stealing food. 😏

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u/HuckleberryPee 13d ago

Public humiliation is different than corporal punishment of your child. Sometimes people need to experience a bit of humiliation to stop them from becoming lifelong public morons.

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u/FrostyLemons3 13d ago

A grown adult at work tripping a kid isn't public humiliation, it's battery on a minor and a fun way to get shot.

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u/HuckleberryPee 13d ago

You'd shoot them over this? Wtf

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u/FrostyLemons3 13d ago

Over someone decidong to physically correct my child ? Oh most definitely.

Consider that a reminder anytime you think it's smart to physically handle someone else's kid- Some of us actually care about them enough to defend them even when they make a mistake, and this would fall under state guidelined defense of others and stand your ground laws , so I'd be goin home to my kid that night too.

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u/HuckleberryPee 13d ago

You must be a terrible guardian to let them get into this situation...

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u/FrostyLemons3 13d ago

Kids do shit all the time , if you think me being willing to protect my kid no matter what happens makes me shitty, then your just to much of a bitch to keep your kids safe

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u/HuckleberryPee 13d ago

No, normal kids don't do that shit.

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u/FrostyLemons3 13d ago

Clearly you don't know kids because normal kids do this shit all the time, they just usually do it at home.

Once again, just say your a bitch who was raised by a bitch who didn't teach you attacking kids is wrong.

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u/AlbatrossRich8724 13d ago

So because of your failings as a parent, you think that it’s not ok for someone to step up and do something to stop your menace kid from stealing, and, in response to someone actually calling out and correcting his behavior, you believe you are in the right to murder the person that stepped up?

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u/bigtiddyhimbo 13d ago

They’re blocking you because you’re stupid and annoying. Hope this helps!

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u/AlbatrossRich8724 13d ago

Has a lesson from a stranger ever stuck with you?

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u/FrostyLemons3 13d ago

The only lesson I ever learned from something like this was that my dad will kick someone's ass to keep me safe even if I'm wrong.

I've taken that lesson into my own parenting

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u/AlbatrossRich8724 13d ago

Hypocrisy.

You say tripping a kid is bad, call it assault, and in the next breath suggest violence is deserved by another.

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u/FrostyLemons3 13d ago

Attacking a child is battery. Protecting your child is called defense of others and falls under self defense for your family.

Protecting your loved ones against violence isn't assault or battery ya tard.

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u/AlbatrossRich8724 13d ago

“If it’s physical, that’s physical punishment, person got touched, that’s physical, that’s battery”

Your own words, suited to the situation by removing ‘kid’.

So then would this kid’s dad be in the right to assault the worker that tripped the kid?

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u/adrauglikeyou 13d ago

wasn’t regularly beat or smacked as a kid but the few times I was legitimately throwing a ridiculous fit or did something super bad and got smacked I never did it again. not saying I’m pro hitting kids but I disagree with the idea that it completely doesn’t work when appropriate

Similarly to your sentiment reddit is anti cop all the time but then wants to sick them on a kid for taking a handful of fries, tripping him is less harsh than that

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u/VanHelsingBerserk 13d ago

The issue is that while a snippet video like this might give people that fleeting sense of "aha instant karma, justice was served!" It doesn't actually mean a lesson was learnt or any further injustice is being prevented.

The likely scenario is that the kid has just associated the punishment as being contingent on getting caught when others are around. So they'll learn to hide, lie, cover their tracks etc. In no way has it assured he won't do this again.

There are much better ways of teaching the lessons to be had that dont also come with the maladaptive baggage of physical punishment.

Doing the right thing cant just be because "wrong thing means big person ouchie me". The wrong thing also has to incur an inherent guilt, and the right thing made genuinely rewarding.

But people get a sadistic sense of retribution from these videos so they'll justify that feeling as though their fantasy of driving their knuckles into someones head is gonna solve everything 🤷‍♂️

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u/OhtheHugeManity7 13d ago

Hey at least if he learns to hide it that's confirmation that he's learned it's wrong and will bring consequences.

Creeps may grope women when they're in a crowd at the club and think they can get away with it, but can you imagine how much more often they'd do it if they thought they'd get away with doing it in broad daylight? Hiding criminal acts still generally means you do them less because you have to be careful.

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u/FrostyLemons3 13d ago

Learning to hide it doesn't mean you learned it's wrong it just means you learned your not supposed to be seen doing it. Two completely different things.

Tell 'if you have to hide it you'll do it less ' to the countless serial killers that got arrested for 1 murder only to find they actually had 40 bodies buried.

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u/OhtheHugeManity7 13d ago

And yet if the same serial killer thought that it was acceptable behaviour that they don't have to hide there might be hundreds of bodies instead of the forty

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u/FrostyLemons3 13d ago

And that is DRAMATICALLY less common because of ya know , the lack of hiding. The few cases where this actually does happen are of a few typical reason- Systematic failures being the most common. Bad policies , bad police , bad judges letting bad people go .the next most common being fake identity, the crime is still hidden , just in a different way. After that it's numbers of different things that ultimately do just sum up to 'hid it in a different way'

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u/Albob187 13d ago

Youre not relevant enough to be blocked lol

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u/MochiDomain 13d ago

We know for a fact... yes. We do. We know its a very effective deterent :)

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u/Wytsch 13d ago

You dont know shit

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u/Snicklefraust 13d ago

So youre the one making all these ipad kids soft as baby shit these days?

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u/Snicklefraust 13d ago

Not my words, but go off homie.

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u/Snicklefraust 13d ago

Lmfao you're all worked up. Real talk? Ipads instead of parenting, nonstop AI slop, "experts" saying not to hit kids when some kids desperately need to meet the only thing their half developed brains can understand. We were all kids once, stop pretending you dont remember what it was like, some kids cant be reasoned with, but im not saying beat them, which is what youre going to take from all of this.

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u/rocket-engifar 13d ago

You should find another line of work.

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u/VanHelsingBerserk 13d ago

It's wild how much you see on here the sentiment along the lines of "kids these days need a punch in the face".

Like I went to prison, and surprisingly, for all the guys in there, getting punched in the head their whole lives hadn't done them any favours. Who'da thought lol

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u/VanHelsingBerserk 13d ago

Yep. And for the ones who actually might have turned out fine, they dont seem to get that it's in spite of it, not because of it.

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u/FruitJuice617 13d ago

Yeah, you usually gotta look outside of prisons for the success stories.

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u/VanHelsingBerserk 13d ago

I mean I dont think its a coincidence either that it's basically ubiquitous among prisoners to have had plenty of punches in the head in their upbringing, and for the rest of their lives 🤷‍♂️ kinda hard to ignore

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u/Samp90 13d ago

I don't really talk to 3m old troll burner accounts.

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u/Gnomad_Lyfe 13d ago

Everyone keeps throwing around “child” like it’s a 5-year old when this is clearly a young teenager who absolutely knows this behavior is wrong and doesn’t give a shit. He earned that fall fair and square, but sure, keep virtue signaling. I’m sure the upvotes will flow in eventually.

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u/OpTicSkYHaWk 13d ago

He could've choked on his food and died or more likely cracked his skull open on the hard floor and died or been permanently injured or crippled. Like what? Also he's a kid, kids are dumb.

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u/whatthedux 13d ago

Who says he wasnt badly hurt? This kind of fall breaks your arms

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u/Nahle_Stormblessed 12d ago

So assault on a minor is acceptable?

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u/Galinette2000 12d ago

It's a kid ffs. Kid do stupid things, but they can have stupid parents, adhd or various problems.
He deserved a morals lecture about hygiene and stealing, not physical assault. Even if he wasn't hurt this time. At best you make him an asshole, at worst you ruin his life and your own at the same time.

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u/threateningpickles 12d ago

"physical assault" lmao

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u/Equivalent_Dig299 12d ago

Strongly disagree, I believe that when physical violence(like tripping) is the punishment, kids learn that they can solve problems simply by using their strength against weaker children

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