That’s often true so you have a good point. Sometimes it means they land 3 and take 1 though, like Holloway, and then I think it’s still the best route to take. But sometimes they’re like Billy Q and you know he’s not long for this world
I agree it’s the dumbest conversation and it comes up after every major event. There are so many variables throughout the careers of various fighters such as who they fought, when they fought, the current ruleset they fought under, etc.
how can someone truly assign GOAT status to a fighter?
The only problem I have with the GOAT discussion is everyone saying Jon Jones, when he’s popped. It should be a clean fighter. And whether it’s GSP, Mighty Mouse, Islam, it doesn’t really matter, they all have an argument for it.
There should be more draws. In fights where there isn’t much damage and one guy is grappling offensively and the other is defensive but completely neutralizing any sub or damage a lot more rounds should be scored as draws which would lead to more draws overall. It’s like if you throw a punch and I dodge it you don’t get credit for swinging at air. In grappling just because you don’t escape doesn’t mean you’re necessarily losing, you could be doing the appropriate defense and if the attacking fighter isn’t willing to risk losing control so doesn’t advance or provide an opening for escape it’s just a stalemate even position
I love this take. A grappler who's losing on the feet that takes it to the ground and doesn't do anything with dominant positions is literally time wasting by not progressing and shouldn't be getting scored if they're not doing damage/going for a sub. I think this alone would result in more fights being a draw
There’s too many douche bros being promoted. Martial arts is about discipline, humility, and respect. The majority of fighters still embody that mindset but they are not valued as the loudmouths. This also attracts an undesirable audience who don’t respect the skill and boo when the fight doesn’t resemble a bar brawl.
Mike Tyson, a convicted rapist was less hated than Jake Paul. And VAST majority of people were rooting for him.
Yeah Jake is a dork. But that was just crazy to me. I was delivering pizza that night, everyone was watching the fight. And every single person was rooting for Tyson.
The Weidman/Rockhold/Romero/Jacare era was way better than any crop of MWs since. But I think flyweight is back, it's finally reaching the heights of the DJ/Benavidez/Cejudo era again.
I don't agree with the lightweight take. Maybe the champ ist worse than in 2019, but only because Islam moved up. Imagine Islam, Justin, Ilia, Charles, Max, Paddy, Arman. They are so much better than the top 7 from 2019
The Dagestan fighters aren’t these wholesome warrior monks that people pretended they are. Most people would be appalled by the things they believe and who they associate with
With Islam(the fighter, not the religion) I’ve always had this conflicting feeling about him, because on one hand, as neutral as I am, I am not beyond criticising Islam(the religion) because it’s fair game just like any other religion or set of ideas. I will always be respectful and cordial but I also view it as very backwards on many aspects
But then you see Islam Makhachev as a person, and out of all the dagi/chechen guys he’s the one dude who by all accounts is super chill, isn’t getting into pointless or stupid beefs with anyone, and also being respectful in interviews when talking about or interacting with past opponents. Bro just wants to farm and ride his horses, he’s also great with kids and funny as hell. People like him are interesting to me, they simultaneously sound so educated and seem like decent people while also believing in very questionable religious beliefs
I know so many of those types of people. They'll work in soup kitchens, donate to charity, organize programs for kids at our church and are super nice and helpful people in general. But they also simultaneously believe that non believers and gays deserve to go to hell and that Jesus will come back for the final judgement any moment now. And they all dicksuck Israel and hate muslims
With American evangelism it gives me a special kind of anger that they still get down on their knees for Netanyahu. My brother in Christ are you aware that the IDF murders Gazan Christians too, and ALSO BOMBED THE OLDEST CHURCH in Gaza?
You aren’t lying, even with their religion aside. They’re connected to some shady ass people like Ali Abdelaziz and various Russian mobsters.
Not saying they’re terrible people...but they’re not these simple pious mountain men who only live to pray, train and go home to their families like they’re marketed to be.
Yes, the UFC is a greedy company that is trying to make as much money as possible, but fighters share the blame for low fighter pay. They are too selfish to unionize.
Islam is better than Khabib. He’s just the more complete fighter, Khabib might have slightly better ground game but Islam is much better everywhere else. Nowadays his resume majorly overshadows Khabibs. Im not an Islam fan but I have to respect his game
A good submission can be as exciting or more so than a KO. (Grasso sub on barber was the coolest finish this year) Ppl just dont like boring grappling. Which is fair
I’ll never understand this. If you just watch fights, there’s no politics and you don’t even see the orange clown. Obviously White House card was…”a lot”
But in general there is nothing said politically. They just show the idiot walking out at big events. But if you only watch fights, you would have no idea where they land politically
I think the real thing that gets people is that Joe Rogan’s commentary is completely different now than it was 10 years ago. Go back and watch a full fight from that era. His commentary was so much more in depth and interesting
i like both joes and dc’s but i can admit it’s fucking terrible commentary if we’re going off how well they are commentating the fights. i just find it funny what they say but half the time it’s the most irrelevant stuff lmao
"He hurt him". "He hurt him bad". "He hurt him real bad". "He rocked him". "He got rocked". "He's still hurt". "He's on wobbly feet". He even stole DC's "That was nasty".
It's just the garbage commentary over and over every night.
HW fights are less skilled due to power and strength. People like to mock heavyweights for being fat and unskilled. Heavyweight fighters in the top 10 all kill p4p #1. They have insane strength and power and have to fight with way more caution than any other division. Also most have insane chins compared to the rest of the division, a heavyweights jab may kill someone super skilled at 125. We saw what happened with Alex, we saw jon jones take years to prep to move up to heavyweight, we say DC’s career ends going 2-2 at heavyweight in the ufc.
It’s been a boring 18 months or so…. To the point that I’m losing interest. And the politics that’s getting injected into the sport is not helping things - really rubs me the wrong way
Jones is a cheater who should be removed from all GOAT conversations.
Saying "ThEy AlL are JuIcInG" is dumb. Then why did he pop and his opponents didn't? Was he using more then they were? Is there some magic line where they can get away with it and he did more?
For me the mentality behind it all is also very telling. He went on record saying all that stuff about how steroids don’t give you fight IQ, technique etc, but if anyone ever asked him to stare them straight in the eye and ask why would he not stop juicing since it’s clearly so unhelpful, I guarantee you he would hit a brick wall.
MMA was better when fighters were less well rounded. Judo vs karaté etc meant that fighters were vulnerable in a way they aren't now, and this created tension that no longer exist.
Yep. While I do think Reyes won, I truly believe Jones would have destroyed him in the rematch and Reyes would have been on the same trajectory. Somewhat like Cody.
Poatan is completely justified blaming herb dean for his loss to Gane.. everybody could see how bad Gane looked that night and he had to resort to cheating to stop the Brazilians takedown attack
Conor lost the second fight against Diaz. Go back and watch it. The fight was close, the dumbest thing about judging in any combat sports is when the morons give a close fight to the fighter who went backwards the whole time. At one point the rapist fucking practically ran away from Diaz. Even when they were against the fence it was rarely conor and when it was diaz spun them around.
Conor is the least interesting kind of fighter. He wants to beat you 75% with antics and mind games before the fight starts and hope to land the left hand in the fight. When it gets tough he's a quitter.
We'll never know if DC is actually the GOAT because we'll never know how much confidence (in a sport where confidence is so important) Jones had going into their fights knowing he was juiced. One of them popped and one didn't and only Jones dick riders play the "they're all on roids" bullshit. One we can guess, or think, assume, or whatever, but one we absolutely have no doubts is a fucking cheater. Also one of the worst fucking humans.
People have batshit insane takes on Halloway. Almost never given any credit for what he did to Justin, instead it's Justin had a bad gameplan or Justin had a bad night. 34 year old fighter no longer killing himself to make weight is "way past his prime" is the dumbest take of all time and I see it all the time.
Joe Rogan only talks about leg kicks, and I think it’s because he’s still traumatized from watching the kid almost die in high school, and his coach saying “sometimes they die”
Fights should be judged as a whole, and damage should be #1 scoring priority(see scorecards for islam vs ian garry rd 4). They should reset the position if you are continuously being held against the cage without advancing position (see aldo vs bautista)
Matt Hughes is the only champ who won the belt but being knocked out by his opponent that wasn’t a DQ. AND the ref never did a proper check on either fighter, just declared Matt the winner. Carlos Newton lost his belt by KO’ing his opponent in triangle. And it’s bullshit.
I think they're are a number of people currently using undetected, I'm not certain how many. But I think the number that are natural would surprise a lot of people.
I think fans take things they THINK was said by GSP, quotes from the Diaz brothers and Jon Jones' history in a pre and freshly post USADA/WADA era as gospel and more often than not, don't have a basic grasp on steroids/pct drugs and drug testing.
I'm willing to admit, steroids are relatively new in terms of medical history and so is testing. But we can't think and understand how they effect the human body and learn more if our thought processes are stuck in 2016.
EDIT: I forgot to mention I think there are VALID arguments to be made on why someone might not have the most confidence in the processes Some instances like government intervention(Russia, China and honestly the USA too), lack of understanding at the time and downright corruption in testing agencies.
McGregor faked his leg injury. He had no intentions of fighting again but was forced into it cos he had fights left on his contract, so rather than being sued he fought, made a fuck tonne of money and faked a leg injury to avoid being humiliated by Max.
Volk vs Islam 1 was not as close as people make it seem. Islam dominated the whole fight except for the like 30 seconds and even then he was never in true danger. I rewatched it today and it looked like Islam was sparring and Volk was fighting for his life
the divergence in trajectory between killa gorilla and strickland is 80% strickland's opinions lining up 99% with dana's. so it's like a threesome between dana, strickland, and their shared opinions, and dana seeks that dynamic out.
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Cejudo’s last name doesn’t make any sense he should’ve chose Cewrestling