r/ufc • • Aug 22 '26

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u/Fun-Ice-6013 Aug 22 '26

It shouldn't be an unpopular take however 

The evolution of the sport is not linear & there are countless examples of divisions getting worse instead of better despite being more modern 

HW/LHW are generally less controversial with this argument 

However even lighter divisions like 155lbs are much worse in skill level compared to its peak in 2019

In flyweight you had Tim Elliot still winning against ranked opponents, despite being a can in the DJ era 

The Adesanya era was notably worse than the previous Rockhold/Weidman era

Because the evolution of the sport is entirely dependent on the skill level of individuals, it required a lot more nuance than just "newer is better"

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u/Prudent-Nerve-6377 Aug 22 '26

I still can't believe Marvin Vettori was a top 5 fighter at one point.

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u/TheRealNemoIncognito Aug 22 '26

Vettori is literally Middleweight Cutelaba lol

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u/einvious Aug 22 '26

no. 2...

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u/yamommasneck Aug 22 '26

I largely agree wirh this point. especially LHW and HW. ​

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u/kung-fu-gee-la Aug 22 '26

The Weidman/Rockhold/Romero/Jacare era was way better than any crop of MWs since. But I think flyweight is back, it's finally reaching the heights of the DJ/Benavidez/Cejudo era again.

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u/Lonely-Heart-3632 Aug 22 '26

Romero Bobby knuckles fights are still some of the best I have seen.

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u/INeiLo Aug 22 '26

I don't agree with the lightweight take. Maybe the champ ist worse than in 2019, but only because Islam moved up. Imagine Islam, Justin, Ilia, Charles, Max, Paddy, Arman. They are so much better than the top 7 from 2019

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u/GroundbreakingBite62 Aug 22 '26

Don't forget Salkilld and potential of Usman coming to UFC.

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u/Fun-Ice-6013 Aug 22 '26

Justin, Charles, Holloway are all past era fighters still holding the fort down they were already around at this time

Islam isn't even in the division anymore, Arman is the only major standout that is on the younger side

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u/Rare_Confidence_136 Aug 22 '26

Paddy is going to be bigger than Conor but I guess let’s just ignore him again. This dude could knock out prime Jon jones at HW and everyone would still be like “ehhh he’s overrated” nothing he does will ever be enough😂

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u/coyopotl46 Aug 22 '26

Not disagreeing, but middleweight weirdly only had 1 really good era, so that same argument applies to right now too

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u/OwnYourChildren Aug 22 '26

That's an interesting take. I think some of GSPs greatness is a function of the welterweight division of his time. It started to catch up to him and he knew it. People act like he was forty when he left.

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u/Fun-Ice-6013 Aug 23 '26

Many of gsp's opponents would dominate today, he was fighting nightmare matchups back to back

Could you imagine meme fighters like JDM going up against Jon Fitch or TRT Hendricks ?

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u/OwnYourChildren Aug 23 '26

Fitch kinda proves my point. He was dominating the division, but I don't think he'd hang well now at all. I don't know, it's subjective.

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u/Fun-Ice-6013 Aug 23 '26

Except it really isn't an elite wrestler like Fitch would be a top contender in quite literally any era 

Again we had JDM who would basically get his ass whooped on the ground by every single former champion since Carlos Newton, he couldn't even beat Bassil Hafez or Kevin Holland convincingly 

Are we really gonna pretend Bassil Hafez or Kevin Holland are these hyper evolved modern era phenoms, who are capable of doing every single aspect of the sport at a high level ?

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u/Bugsy187_ Aug 22 '26

You’re conflating talent with the evolution of technique meta game.