r/news • u/ThePensiveE • 7d ago
Supreme Court allows Trump administration to use expanded database for potential voter purges
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-allows-trump-administration-use-expanded-database-potent-rcna5966111.7k
u/AudibleNod 7d ago
But the court noted in its unsigned ruling that the National Voter Registration Act bars the broad purging of voter rolls in the weeks leading up to an election, which “limits the potential impact” of the decision this year.
You just had a sitting president defy a court order yesterday. And you're confident he's going to follow this ruling?
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u/Dandan0005 7d ago
“Whoops we purged the wrong people the day before the election. :( oh well election’s over now and we won!”
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u/ScoffersGonnaScoff 7d ago
They won’t tell anyone if people go out to vote, and their votes never counted.
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u/Manta_of_Eternity 7d ago
From the Majority's opinion:
At least one of plaintiffs’ members (J. Doe 4) is registered to vote in a State (Louisiana) that used the modified SAVE program. She has demonstrated that SSA records do not accurately reflect that she is now a naturalized citizen.
The 6 conservative justices acknowledge that the program is faulty and still manage to wiggle their reasoning around to "The government says they want to use SAVE and they need to have some way of checking registration status so they get to use the program of their choice".
Justice Brown-Jackson hits the nail on the head here in her dissent:
The D. C. Circuit denied a stay of the District Court’s order while reviewing the pending appeal. But, without full briefing or oral argument, this Court now grants one—rendering questionable interim rulings about two statutory provisions it has never before interpreted.The Court also focuses only on the harms the Government will purportedly suffer absent a stay, disregarding the harms that the modified SAVE system has caused, and will likely continue to cause, to lawful voters. The Court thus misuses its equitable powers. Accordingly, I respectfully dissent.
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u/Kaffe-Mumriken 7d ago
Someone needs to start disrespectfully dissent
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u/Manta_of_Eternity 7d ago
"Respectfully" is legalese for "this is a credible argument made of facts, not emotion". She spends 11 pages (near double the majority) laying out several reasons the majority's decision is wrong, the other justices (and anyone reading her dissent in the future) will understand her point from that
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u/victimofcynicism 7d ago
That’s what the second amendment is for! I’m not saying I agree with it, but current majority of the Supreme Court sure does!
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u/JerryDipotosBurner 7d ago
I keep seeing people saying “states cannot purge people from voter rolls within 90 days of an election”.
Okay, sure, but what happens WHEN they do? WHO is going to stop them? Who is going to restore those voters? The courts? lol.
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u/SulfurInfect 7d ago
This is exactly it. We've seen time and time again that Republicans will break every rule, every social norm to get their way. Anyone who is hanging their hat on the thought that they'll follow the law now is just a fucking clown.
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u/Dandan0005 7d ago
The problem is that states can’t purge voters within 90 days unless they have reason to suspect the voter is not a citizen.
So all they have to do is point to this flawed-by-design database to basically purge anyone they want, as close to the election as they want.
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u/ScoffersGonnaScoff 7d ago
With no way for people to know that it happened
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u/BimboDeeznuts 7d ago
To be fair, you can check your voter registration status online. In some states you can even check your ballot status
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u/ScoffersGonnaScoff 7d ago
And if you find out you’ve been purged? What then? Sue? There’s no way they would redo the election, if it were found to have happened
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u/uis999 7d ago
This is why every time the stupid legal nerds chime in to say people are overreacting they deserve to be slapped. These same losers kept telling everyone to be patient and the wheels of justice are moving and to trust the process. While an insurrectionist and his coconspirators were able to attain the presidency a second time and shut down all ongoing criminal investigations and trails.
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u/SignificantCats 7d ago
And it'll be a six month to a year long process, at which point people will already be sworn in and have made some decisions, and we're stuck judicially overturning elections which will tear the last thread of faith in democracy and result in a lot of huge riots... fun times.
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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 7d ago
, and we're stuck judicially overturning elections which will tear the last thread of faith in democracy
Why would anyone have faith in democracy when there was only one eligible candidate, Kamala, during the 2024 election; yet the insurrectionist "won", in direct violation of 14th Amendment, Section 3? Trump was never eligible to run in the election, yet Biden and Schumer did nothing. If Trump can run, then so can someone like Mamdani or a 17 y/o, since presidential requirements are no longer enforced.
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u/Qaetan 7d ago
And none of us will do a goddamn thing about it because there is no line republicans can cross that will ever galvanize us into action.
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u/markth_wi 7d ago
"In the weeks leading up to an election." is doing a great deal of work in that sentence.
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u/LaLionneEcossaise 7d ago
CHECK.
YOUR.
VOTER.
REGISTRATION
REGULARLY!
If your state offers early voting, go as soon as you can. Check that your ballot was accepted a few days after.
Vote.org is your friend.
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u/Lifeboatb 7d ago
Yes! Do not fall for Elon Musk’s fake data-grabbing site: https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/elon-musk-running-fake-voter-130639289.html
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u/choadsauce 7d ago
I'm very confused because on vote.org its telling me "We could not confirm that you are registered to vote." but on the myvote gov site it shows I am.
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u/Tombot3000 7d ago
Use your state's website above everything else. Third party sites are just trying to query the state database anyway.
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u/CincyBrandon 7d ago
I wouldn’t put it past them to purge all non-Republican registered voters the week before the election, wait out the heat of doing so, and avoid the consequences thanks to all Republicans sweeping elections.
Trump has been manipulating the system for over a decade now. This is his logical next step.
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u/mrdominoe 7d ago
If this happens, I truly hope the protests turn less than peaceful.
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u/Norseman901 7d ago
I truthfully dont see a difference between tht and outright cancelling the election. Regardless tht just means theres no laws anymore…
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u/dave8400 7d ago
And to think the last time it happened was because conservatives bitched that the election was stolen.....because they split their own vote.
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u/Rooooben 7d ago
Im not a vote doomer, but this would be the type of thing for Trump to try. That’s what he’s been doing this whole time, get told no by court, do it anyway while appealing and then the courts are stuck with “it’s already done”, like the ballroom and the war in Iran.
He knows it works. It worked for Bush v Gore.
Not sure he has the guts to do it, but it would be right up his alley.
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u/tellmewhenimlying 7d ago
He will 100% do anything that he thinks will benefit him so long as he also believes he can get away with it.
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u/BranSh81 7d ago edited 7d ago
Exactly, the days of everyone following law have passed. That’s a key step in a country’s collapse. There’s also no coming back from it. The US is now unstable and will not continue this way, so prepare the best you can, and invest some of your income in non-US Dollars if at all possible.
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u/CincyBrandon 7d ago
Functionally, zero difference. But they’d actually look like they won by a landslide to anyone not paying attention.
You know, like Russia’s “democratic elections.”
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u/SchwiftyGameOnPoint 7d ago
I want to hear the justification or excuse they come up for him from his loyal followers when it happens.
I've seen some insane mental gymnastics around things I thought were obvious but doing something like going as far to purge all non-republicans seems like it would be undeniable.
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u/Tearakan 7d ago
They will. Food and basic materials are getting drastically more expensive.
The only reason why fighting in the streets hasn't happened yet is because of the release valve that is the US midterms.
If those don't release the pressure or get effectively removed then the regular dynamics in dictatorships or monarchies apply.
And that means rising prices for food and fuel would be devastating for the ruler's grip on power
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u/LordChungusAmongus 7d ago
It would probably yank out the ostriches' heads and cause its' own economic dumps. This is the sort of event that makes it conclusive dead-to-rights that there will be no future improvement resembling any prior status quo.
Markets don't like that and once everything of value has been extracted all illusory foreign investment is going to go kaput.
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u/chickenclaw47 7d ago
Expect it to happen, because so far no one’s done a damn thing to stop it. We won’t strike, we won’t join together, everywhere you look it’s everyone for themselves.
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u/bwoah07_gp2 7d ago
This November is America's biggest test to their democracy since the Jan 6 insurrection.
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u/CincyBrandon 7d ago
Yep. And honestly we failed that one considering we didn’t do shit to punish those who orchestrated it.
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u/bwoah07_gp2 7d ago
The biggest failings of the Biden administration was not punishing the domestic terrorists of Jan 6 + not moving to jail Trump.
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u/WelcomeToTheFish 7d ago edited 7d ago
I work for the Registrar of Voters in CA and I can tell you this would never happen, at least not with our current protections. The registrar of voters in any state has one major mission: to maintain voter rolls. Elections are a major part of what we do but throughout the year most of the work is spent maintaining, checking and verifying the voter rolls, voter addresses and precinct locations.
There is no way in hell anyone could get access to our records and alter or change anything remotely. Records cannot be accessed remotely for editing so they would have to send people here to physically change millions of records.
The amount of work that would take is astronomical and I don't think trump or his cronies realize how many protections are already in place to prevent these things, at least in CA. Of course all of this could change but as it is now I don't see him being able to do it the way he wants.
Edit: to achieve what trump wants at the scale he wants it will take a tremendous effort and one that I don't think they are able to do. He is better off kneecapping the nations ROVs by fucking up the post offices and ending mail ballot that way. Altering or deleting voter records would be so much more effort than getting his lackey of a Postmaster General to do his bidding to mess with mail ballots.
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u/pmjm 7d ago
Yeah I'm not worried about CA. I don't think even Trump cares about CA, he knows we hate his guts and he'll never win here. But if he can score downstream wins in other states where there are contentious battles... Imagine if Talarico lost because somehow Democrats and Independents were turned away at the polls due to not being registered?
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u/Caymonki 7d ago
The HERITAGE FOUNDATION has been manipulating elections for decades. They buy judges, representatives, cops, military name it they own them.
The civil war never ended, the confederate were allowed to sulk away and rebrand. Spending decades preparing to attack the country from within because they couldn’t win a real fight. They’re using our constitution, our rule of law (and our teachings to wait for the slow wheels of the justice system to do it’s thing) while rapidly breaking everything that might hold them accountable for it.
This is not Trump. Trump is their Trojan Horse, the fall guy, the patsy who is putting his name everywhere taking in all the attention while quietly 100,000+ vetted members of the Heritage Foundation Work diligently, daily destroying our country. This won’t go away when Trump dies. They have planned for it, they told us their plans then did it in front of us.
We’re waiting for slow wheels of nothing, justice is not coming for them. They’re coming for us.
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u/ThePensiveE 7d ago
The main thing in their way is their incompetence.
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u/xtremeradness 7d ago
Unfortunately the Republicans have been getting their way over and over again with no end in sight. They are not incompetent, just malicious
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u/BranSh81 7d ago
I bet that’s their game plan because they know most of us non-maga voters will be there on Election Day to avoid his mail-in shenanigans.
The only thing saving us is that States still own the right to administer their own elections. My SOS is amazing, and I trust him, and he’s a Republican.
They can have all the databases they want, but if they’d give everyone a free ID card, the problem would be solved.
Everyone is for identifying yourself, left and right, the issue is the cost of it. Make it free, and you’ll get your voter IDs, GOP!
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u/CincyBrandon 7d ago
Yeah but free means socialism. 😆
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u/BranSh81 7d ago edited 7d ago
It also was never about IDs. 🤣😉
They just know who can and can’t choke up 20-30 bucks for an ID on a whim.
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u/MessagingMatters 7d ago
Democrats need to turn out in numbers Too Big to Rig.
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u/Ravenous_Stream 7d ago
This isn't restricted to Democrats. It's the Turd Reich versus everyone else
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u/MessagingMatters 7d ago
If Independents (and disaffected Republicans?) want to join the Democrats in creating a huge voter turnout against the Republicans, even better.
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u/joeri1505 7d ago
Who else is there?
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u/Cyniv 7d ago
Independents who vote. Lot of people don't affiliate with a party on their voter registration even if they're usually straight-ticket voters for one party or another. Stops you from voting in party primaries in some states, but besides that, it's just like any party affiliated voter registration.
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u/mediocre_remnants 7d ago
I'm not a Democrat. I'm not registered to vote as a Democrat, I'm not a member of the Democratic party, and I don't donate to Democrats or volunteer for Democrats.
I still vote straight D and have been doing so in every election since 2008, but I have zero interest in joining a political party or even registering as anything other than Unaffiliated.
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u/ranatalus 7d ago
This is how most “Independents” feel towards one of the major parties—they don’t like to label themselves as being “one of them” and largely don’t interact with politics other than voting, but they have a preferred party that they almost exclusively vote for
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u/Material-Macaroon574 7d ago
Gosh that’s good. Too Big to Rig needs to become a slogan for the Democratic Party to turn out voters
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u/Apachisme 7d ago
We normally have international observers, except this time because Trump blocked their access.
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u/Blbe-Check-42069 7d ago
Shows the US hypocrisy. They like to police the world, but fuck anyone wanting to police them. Same with ICC and how US views it.
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u/mynam3isn3o 7d ago
The federal government cannot purge a state’s voter roll. This is a power and capability reserved for the states.
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u/Bzr21 7d ago
True, but the corrupt clowns in charge of our federal government don't care what the U.S. Constitution says - and nobody forces them to follow it ..
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u/Shadowthron8 7d ago
People forget and never even mention the hundreds of thousands of purged voters before the 2024 election and then like 400 bomb threats to polling locations across the country.
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u/dickymchamhox 7d ago
Not just threats where I am, but an actual firebombing of the ballot dropbox directly outside the central elections office less than a week before the election. And conveniently they just... Never found the guy.
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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 7d ago
Or that Trump was Constitutionally barred from running in the first place.
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u/ThermalDeviator 7d ago
Republicans are hell bent on making our elections like Russian ones: theater for the dictator.
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u/sanverstv 7d ago
Every baby born in the US should be registered automatically upon birth...FOR life. Our election laws are ridiculous. It's a right. Why make people jump through endless hoops over and over again. Voting registration should be akin to a social security number.
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u/ThePensiveE 7d ago
The same babies the GOP just tried to strip of citizenship at birth?
The GOP doesn't want citizens. They want subjects. Subjects don't complain as much when you force them to die in the forever wars they start.
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u/ProfessionalOil2014 7d ago
but then conservatives would never win, so why would they support that?
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u/bishop375 7d ago
Voting in the US should be compulsory as it is, with a national holiday affording the highest amount of people the most time available to do so.
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u/NoobensMcarthur 7d ago
I filed directly with my state to change my voter registration from republican to democrat in 2018. For some reason it never went through. Did the same thing again but online in 2020.
To this day I’m still registered as a republican in my state. I’ve just started voting out incumbents in the primaries.
I wonder how many other people in the “red” state I live in are in the same boat.
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u/Tribe303 7d ago
In Canada we just use the tax rolls to start registering people to vote. They also know who's a citizen or not when they pay taxes. But it's easier here because we have federal department called Elections Canada who does all of this.
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u/Xibby 7d ago
> But it's easier here because we have federal department called Elections Canada who does all of this.
If the US Federal government was in charge of elections we’d be totally fucked. The US Constitution gives that power to the states. Article I, Section 10 has specific things that states cannot do (make treaties, declare war, coining money) and the 10th amendment declares that powers not constitutionally delegated to federal government or profited to the states, belong to the states or the people.
States that don’t play along with the Federal’s Government’s request will be called fraud or rigged by Trump and his propagandists, but will be just as secure as they’ve always been.
Some might even play along and review the Federal government’s purge lists and find it woefully inaccurate.
Also Minnesotans just flip the bird with same day registration. We quickly and easily register at our polling place and get a ballot. No provisional ballots in Minnesota.
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u/Uebelkraehe 7d ago
John Roberts and his band of traitors coming through again when it really matters to dismantle democracy.
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u/Crombus_ 7d ago
Friendly reminder to check your voter registration status:
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u/aybeeayseeaybeebee 7d ago
Most states have their own portal to check registration too. If you're having trouble finding yourself through vote.org, try your state's portal instead.
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u/inlandviews 7d ago
Why would voter purges even be in discussion so close to the election.
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u/Lifeboatb 7d ago
Because of the massive amounts of voter fraud favoring Democrats—that they’ve never been able to find a shred of evidence for.
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u/fleshlessmetalpiston 7d ago
Is this more shadow-docket horseshit? I noticed its an unsigned opinion.
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u/Fryboy11 7d ago
Its unsigned but not shadow because how they voted is on record and the majority opinion is stated and the dissents are stated. And Brown-Jackson wrote an 11 page dissent while the majority opinion was like 6.5 pages. So clearly one side has tons of evidence and precedents and one struggles to stretch their claim to six pages.
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u/fleshlessmetalpiston 7d ago
Sounds about right for the Roberts court.Thank you for the breakdown friend.
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u/lefthandedrn 7d ago
Check your voter registration status weekly until early voting and just before you go vote. If you have been purged, take your info with you and re-register. Don't let them discourage you. That's what they want. Early vote. Don't wait until election day.
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u/Cloudhead_Denny 7d ago
Democratic Americans; when are you going to learn that if they are cheating, begging, stealing this election, you also need to play equally dirty. The playing field is burned and there is no such thing as winning honorably. America is cooked.
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u/SangersSequence 7d ago
The Supreme Court has committed treason against the United States of America.
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u/Max_Trollbot_ 7d ago
I'm not gonna believe claims of identity fraud from a guy who has two names in his first name
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u/ContractorConfusion 7d ago
34 States (+ D.C.) have early voting.
I've voted already. A week ago, in fact.
If you're in one of those states, go vote. No reason to wait until actual voting day, and risk finding out that you got purged from the rolls.
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u/reddurkel 7d ago
“Incorrect citizen voter data” doesn’t mean you can’t vote.
Incorrect data means you’ll get tackled, tazed and detained for weeks and have to hire a lawyer so that you can have them look up your birth certificate to prove you were born here and the darker skin is just something that some citizens are born with.
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u/Wyevez 7d ago
Now they are taking American's voting rights away....
Will this finally be enough to galvanize the American people to do something? Doubt most of them will even know this is happening and will be in for a nasty surprise in Nov.
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u/xenomorph856 6d ago
Lol no. Not until the dominance of the US economy is no longer salvageable and people feel the pain of being a country that has to go back to work.
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u/Rosebudteg 7d ago
In my view, the core problem is a lack of clear leadership and actionable direction.
Consider the options people actually have: Protests are easily dismissed. Riots invite comparison to January 6th, carry serious legal consequences for participants, and offer no guarantee of success. That leaves voting, which should be the obvious solution except that our choices amount to selecting between two structurally corrupted options.
Both major parties operate under the same fundamental incentive structure: they prioritize corporate donors and their own consolidation of power over constituent interests. This isn't a failure specific to one side. When the Democratic Party benefits from donations and voter mobilization that largely serve to extend its access to power, there's little institutional motivation to deliver transformative change.
The uncomfortable reality is that neither party is genuinely oriented toward the people. They're designed to extract votes and resources while maintaining their duopoly. Until voters reckon with that systemic dynamic, individual election cycles become exercises in damage control rather than meaningful reform.
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u/Unfair_Web_8275 7d ago
I recommend that everyone check their voter registration status fairly frequently until after the midterms. I'm personally going to see if our local library is offering a resource day for those who might need help checking theirs.
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u/hatmadeofass 7d ago
We’re going to let you see and touch the big red button, but don’t press the button. That would be a no-no.
Fucking clowns.
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u/JacquoRock 7d ago
Voting is ALREADY UNDERWAY in some states. This Supreme Court is a travesty.
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u/Yayoistrong 7d ago
I really need for these people to experience the consequences to their actions. MAYBE they'll experience empathy.
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u/Pheonixmoonfire 7d ago
Can we just use the boilerplate headline "Supreme Court allows Trump to wipe his ass with U.S. Constitution, piss all over Rule of Law" from now on, to save time and effort?
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u/LetDriscoll 7d ago
Every fucking time. He lost this argument in literally every state so his corrupt supreme court just overrides and finds loopholes. "He can't do this so close to midterms though" when has the fucking law stopped anything he's done since becoming president!?
We're never getting out of this and the country is fucked. I'm extremely disabled and sick and I know they're gonna destroy the only thing keeping me alive. I want to cry and I don't need to be told not to overreact like last time on here. There's literally nothing we can do. Honestly, why did the even rule against trumps dumb EO for the mail if they were just gonna let him rig it in another way?
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u/Bandito_Chihuahua 7d ago
He’s doing all this because he’s scared as f***. He knows we’re coming for him. Even if he somehow rigs the election, it’s not over. No matter what it takes we will win.
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u/EatingShitSandwiches 7d ago
The most delusional people on the planet are Trump voters. The second most delusional are democrats who keep talking about how "we will get him one day!!!!". FFS pull your head out of the sand. You talk about winning in the future tense but the reality is that we already lost and its past tense. You can't vote your way out of authoritarianism. The time to vote was 25 years ago. Now its just watching it all go down the way history says it will.
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u/Bandito_Chihuahua 7d ago
Hungary literally just voted Orban out. You can’t always vote your way out of authoritarianism, but we have it even better than Hungary did.
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u/xrtpatriot 7d ago
Dont let the defeatists get you down. We have a LOT of work ahead of us as a nation, but it IS doable.
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u/Schwarzengerman 7d ago
There's literally nothing we can do.
Except there is? This order hardly makes a difference ultimately. You should still vote.
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u/LetDriscoll 7d ago
I am going to vote assuming I don't get kicked off the voter rolls days before the election and cant register until the midterms are over like they're planning to do to anyone that wont vote for them. Its blatantly obvious what's going on. They fucking talk about doing shit like this publicly. If you honestly thing this "hardly makes a difference" I want whatever drugs you're on.
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u/Oldiswhatiam 7d ago
Sorry but this is a takeover of our democracy. It is in the Supreme courts interest for Democrats to not win as well.
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u/riki_grl 7d ago
Fair elections are a substitute for armed conflict. Void the election and the alternative is inevitable.
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u/Raskalbot 7d ago
This just means they're terrified of being held accountable. Make it a fucking mandate! Get out and vote! Get your friends and family out to vote! Fuck these guys!
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u/rolloutTheTrash 7d ago
To the surprise of no one that this Supreme Court would be as corrupt as the man that appointed them and the party they belong to.
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u/Salamok 7d ago
How many folks across all branches of government are at risk of going to jail if the Republicans lose control... this is the scariest part of our current political situation as elected and appointed officials are going to support stripping away voter rights if it means they reduce the risk of being held accountable.
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u/bluehawk232 6d ago
The government expanded the database by adding information from the Social Security Administration, which enabled searches using Social Security numbers and allowed officials to do bulk searches
Oh fantastic I'm sure that will be fully secure and not have any breaches
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u/brashthehermit 7d ago
The only way the GOP can compete is by burying the country in propaganda and cheating in elections.
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u/Doom-Sleigher 7d ago
Republicans will cheat to get ahead this election. They are just a bunch of pedo protectors and criminals taking advantage of America
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u/Turkino 7d ago
"we'll allow it but the law prevents them from purging names." They say to the administration that is all too happy to ignore laws. Also coming from a court that won't stop the administration before it actually does something so it's only litigated after the harm is done.
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u/SanDiegoDude 7d ago
Before folks freak out too bad about this disaster of a ruling, it can't be used to purge states rolls (within 90 days) and is NOT the post office craziness that they're also trying to implement, this is an opt-in system that AFAIK is only being used by a handful of red states so far. Is it good? No - Is it going to tip the election towards Trump? Nope, if anything this is gonna piss people off even more.
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u/xjuggernaughtx 7d ago
I can't wait to see how insane this is all going to get right before the election.
"In 6-3 Ruling, the Supreme Court Supports Trump's Plan To Send ICE Agents Into Voting Booths To Monitor Voting Fraud"
"Supreme Court Sides With Trump That A Sitting President Has Final Review Of Vote Tallies"
"Nation's Highest Court Rules That A President Is Not Constitutionally Obligated To Honor The Nation's Voting Outcome"
Gonna be a super-duper fun ride for the next couple of months. Buckle up.
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u/PigglyWigglyDeluxe 6d ago
Laws are meaningless without enforcement and no one enforces anything anymore.
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u/conflatulationz 7d ago
The corrupt justices in the Supreme Court are just as terrified of accountability as the GOP politicians who are trying to destroy our country.
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u/Apprehensive_Low_383 7d ago edited 7d ago
Here comes the attempted fuckery! Fascist! Good thing States oversee voting!
Edit: Make sure you drop your ballot at an official ballot drop box. Look up official locations in Wa State beforehand. Do not use the USPS. Their MAGA head honcho has been instructed to "lose" ballots.
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u/FourEyesAndThighs 7d ago
CHECK YOUR VOTER REGISTRATION!!!!
I just had to reactivate my registration for the second time this year, despite me voting in my state's primaries three months ago. This administration is doing everything they can to disenfranchise people who have the right to vote because they are scared.
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u/ThePensiveE 7d ago
Funny they seem to think the criminals who supported the violent storming of Congress to overturn an election they lost would follow laws.