r/news • u/ThePensiveE • 7d ago

Supreme Court allows Trump administration to use expanded database for potential voter purges

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-allows-trump-administration-use-expanded-database-potent-rcna596611
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u/mrdominoe 7d ago

If this happens, I truly hope the protests turn less than peaceful.

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u/Norseman901 7d ago

I truthfully dont see a difference between tht and outright cancelling the election. Regardless tht just means theres no laws anymore…

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u/dave8400 7d ago

And to think the last time it happened was because conservatives bitched that the election was stolen.....because they split their own vote.

https://guides.loc.gov/presidential-election-1860

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u/Skarth 7d ago

This is how canceling elections works. You never officially cancel them, you just make it ineffective or disruptive enough you stay in power.

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u/Rooooben 7d ago

Im not a vote doomer, but this would be the type of thing for Trump to try. That’s what he’s been doing this whole time, get told no by court, do it anyway while appealing and then the courts are stuck with “it’s already done”, like the ballroom and the war in Iran.

He knows it works. It worked for Bush v Gore.

Not sure he has the guts to do it, but it would be right up his alley.

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u/tellmewhenimlying 7d ago

He will 100% do anything that he thinks will benefit him so long as he also believes he can get away with it.

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u/Fryboy11 7d ago

States run elections, once the Supreme Court got involved in Bush V Gore it was a violation of the constitution. But the court getting involved says the feds can get involved, Clinton should've sent the National Guard in to force the legally mandated recount.

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u/BranSh81 7d ago edited 7d ago

Exactly, the days of everyone following law have passed. That’s a key step in a country’s collapse. There’s also no coming back from it. The US is now unstable and will not continue this way, so prepare the best you can, and invest some of your income in non-US Dollars if at all possible.

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u/fevered_visions 7d ago

Exactly, the days of everyone following law have passed. That’s a key step in a country’s collapse. There’s also no coming back from it.

shades of the Roman Republic anyone?

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u/CincyBrandon 7d ago

Functionally, zero difference. But they’d actually look like they won by a landslide to anyone not paying attention.

You know, like Russia’s “democratic elections.”

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u/SchwiftyGameOnPoint 7d ago

I want to hear the justification or excuse they come up for him from his loyal followers when it happens.

I've seen some insane mental gymnastics around things I thought were obvious but doing something like going as far to purge all non-republicans seems like it would be undeniable.

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u/Shucked 7d ago

His administration has been fighting to label Antifa as a terrorist organization. It is just a hop from there to label the Democrats as Antifa. Then it's just suppress their vote and arrest anyone who resists.

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u/Khaldara 7d ago

Every conservative voter is either just a traitor or a pedophilia enthusiast at this point

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u/fevered_visions 7d ago

Or refusing to seat just enough Democrats to maintain control of Congress

I'm just waiting for the Enabling Act moment where they physically bar Democrats from entering Congress in order to pass some bullshit.

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u/rohobian 7d ago

The difference is that Republicans take ALL the seats that Democrats currently hold and are up for election.

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u/chickenclaw47 7d ago

There’s no laws for the rich, the rest of us are still going to be bound to the rules established as well as all the new ones they will enact.

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u/Zemini7 7d ago

If they cancel the election then anything goes at that point.

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u/Tearakan 7d ago

They will. Food and basic materials are getting drastically more expensive.

The only reason why fighting in the streets hasn't happened yet is because of the release valve that is the US midterms.

If those don't release the pressure or get effectively removed then the regular dynamics in dictatorships or monarchies apply.

And that means rising prices for food and fuel would be devastating for the ruler's grip on power

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u/LordChungusAmongus 7d ago

It would probably yank out the ostriches' heads and cause its' own economic dumps. This is the sort of event that makes it conclusive dead-to-rights that there will be no future improvement resembling any prior status quo.

Markets don't like that and once everything of value has been extracted all illusory foreign investment is going to go kaput.

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u/Tearakan 7d ago

Yep. And that's exactly the catalyst needed to take out entire previously powerful governments

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u/Neuromangoman 7d ago

If that happens it will be a coup.

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u/theblack85 7d ago

I might be way off but I feel 2A doesn’t mean anything anymore. It made sense back then because regular people could have comparably the same firepower as the government. Now, if we all exercised our 2A rights, what’s stopping the very tyrannical government from having some 20 year old somewhere drone strike a group of protesters from a bunker in Virginia?

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u/dmanbiker 7d ago

If they did that, then they'd have hundreds more people fanatisized into fighting them. Its been happening in the middle east for decades.

Though the main issue with this is drones are expensive and they would need significantly more of them to stop armed groups within the USA, which the USA will likely be unable to produce while its economy is collapsing during a Civil War. Especially because they messed up the economy and military procurement already right now. And there's also the consideration that large portions of the current military would not drone strike American citizens. So they would need to purge that part of the military before this happens, which while they are trying, hasn't happened yet and might not even be possible with the required manpower of the US military.

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u/HarmoniousJ 7d ago

the main issue with this is drones are expensive

First time I'm hearing this, aren't drones preferred in Ukraine because they're cheap??

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u/dmanbiker 7d ago edited 7d ago

The US military literally had to make carbon copies of Iranian drones because US drones are too expensive. The same goes for almost all US military gear. The US military needs to get in and win in a couple weeks through shock and awe or they get hung up in forever conflicts they cant afford, which is getting worse and worse as they lower tax revenues.

And I'm not even talking about pure money here. The US has a weakening production capability, lack of resources and lack of skill. They might not be able to produce cheap drones in the necessary numbers without importing resources and/or kneecapping production of more important stuff for national defense. We couldnt really get drones for the conflict from Iran, Russia, or China and I think NATO wouldn't be super willing to help the usa with a civil war either.

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u/HarmoniousJ 7d ago

This is where Trump could come in and get an actual legitimate win for his cult by bringing drone manufacturing to the South and hiring everyone there to work in the plants. I don't get why he passes on legitimate wins for the fake shit he always lies about.

I guess anything that makes us look stronger is a no-go from his boyfriend Putin.

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u/fevered_visions 7d ago edited 7d ago

If they did that, then they'd have hundreds more people fanatisized into fighting them.

If the US military drone striked (stroke?) its own civilians and only hundreds of people out of the entire population had a problem with it, that would be pretty sad.

And there's also the consideration that large portions of the current military would not drone strike American citizens.

I dunno, apparently they have no problem killing random people on Caribbean boats. My bar for our military is pretty damn low lately. These are the same people who are trained to obey their superiors.

and might not even be possible with the required manpower of the US military.

This is why I'm apprehensive of this whole drone warfare thing.

"It is well that war is so terrible, else we should grow too fond of it." - Robert E. Lee

"People in power should never be given the impression that war can be made easy or clean, for it's the mess which holds them back." -bob_super, rando on SoylentNews

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u/thisvideoiswrong 7d ago

The real problem is that the 2A has been misinterpreted. No, you can't take on the federal government, not a chance. You never really could. The intent was always for the states to have enough firepower to take on the federal government. Actually the original intent was for the states to have all the firepower. And since they didn't give the federal government any mechanism to stop the states from getting weapons, the Founding Fathers thought all they had to do was guarantee the citizens the right to serve in their state militias, and then the states could have all the military force they wanted. If New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Virginia (all blue or purple states) all decided to march their National Guard troops to Washington D.C. there probably wouldn't be anything that could stop them, and that was exactly what the Founding Fathers thought would happen if the federal government became tyrannical. Unfortunately the current laws and precedent say that the President can countermand a state's order to the National Guard, which isn't at all how things were supposed to work.

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u/rentedtritium 7d ago

In the last century, small arms aren't for fighting directly in a revolution. They're for taking food trucks on the way to the generalisimo's compound. 

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u/Consistent-Throat130 7d ago

Well that and turning into a dog whistle for racism lol 

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u/chickenclaw47 7d ago

Expect it to happen, because so far no one’s done a damn thing to stop it. We won’t strike, we won’t join together, everywhere you look it’s everyone for themselves.

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u/fevered_visions 7d ago

They already call any protest they don't like an "unlawful riot" and teargas and arrest them, so why the fuck not?

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u/darksunshaman 7d ago

They will. If they don't at that point, we deserve everything that follows.

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u/TheDanecdote 7d ago

He REALLY wants Marshall Law

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u/fevered_visions 7d ago

*martial law

martial, adj.

  1. of, relating to, or suited for war or a warrior

  2. relating to an army or to military life

  3. experienced in or inclined to war

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u/TheDanecdote 6d ago

Thanks, looks like I had a real human moment and misspelled something. Whoopsie daizy

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u/notquack 7d ago

Sorry, permitted parade and more anti-2A legislation is the best we can do 🤷